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now that i think about it I think I lost a bet from early 2015 that om couldnt get worse.
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If you guys think 7k players dominated the leaderboards, well fear no more! Now they can play with mods and be more ahead than ever!!!!!!11111
lets take NS18 for an example in combo scoring.
for those who dont know the chart; its a jumpstream chart that repeats its patterns and slowly increases from 230 to 250 bpm with 2 short breaks. the end is the hardest part.
in scoreV2, lets say 2 players play this map.
player 1 misses 1 time on accidentally in the very middle, but thats his only miss.
player 2 isnt as good as player 1, and cant keep up with the 250 bpm at the end, and misses 5-8 times, but he combo'd the rest of the song.
assuming they had similar 200/100/50 counts, player 2s score would be *miles* ahead of player 1, despite playing much worse on the map.
also HD/SD/FL giving modifiers LMAO. people play with these to make the game EASIER TO READ FOR THEM. WHY WOULD THEY GIVE BONUS LMAO
I'm genuinely wondering if the devs behind scoreV2 have played a rhythm game before.
for those who dont know the chart; its a jumpstream chart that repeats its patterns and slowly increases from 230 to 250 bpm with 2 short breaks. the end is the hardest part.
in scoreV2, lets say 2 players play this map.
player 1 misses 1 time on accidentally in the very middle, but thats his only miss.
player 2 isnt as good as player 1, and cant keep up with the 250 bpm at the end, and misses 5-8 times, but he combo'd the rest of the song.
assuming they had similar 200/100/50 counts, player 2s score would be *miles* ahead of player 1, despite playing much worse on the map.
also HD/SD/FL giving modifiers LMAO. people play with these to make the game EASIER TO READ FOR THEM. WHY WOULD THEY GIVE BONUS LMAO
I'm genuinely wondering if the devs behind scoreV2 have played a rhythm game before.
lol why would they let somebody who actually plays the game and knows what theyre talking about develop the scoring
/threadWaltrusizer wrote:
lol why would they let somebody who actually plays the game and knows what theyre talking about develop the scoring
omg nosmoogipooo wrote:
* Mods are back! NF/EZ/HT give 0.5x score multipliers and DT/HR/HD/FI/FL give 1.06x score multipliers.
It's pretty pathetic that the StepMania-mains are just shitting on the idea and not even trying to offer any sort of legitimate criticism (exception: PIXL, you at least tried to voice a concern):
With how the accuracy v2 formula works, 5-8 misses would cause a MASSIVE drop in score, especially if there's not a huge amount of notes. Even with 2000 notes, 5 to 8 misses would cause a reasonable dent on the accuracy side and would likely suffer a reasonable amount against the amount of points that the other player would have lost chopping the song right down the middle. Everyone is making it seem like a combo right in the middle is going to completely invalidate your score and make it so that it's impossible to come back -- the fact of the matter is, a miss right in the middle of the chart is still going to net you half of the combo scoring attribute, assuming that the chart has a constant pace -- for anyone who doesn't realize it, hasn't read yet, or refuses to read due to being completely blinded by a new score system, combo is only going to accommodate for 20% of the score. If a player simply misses and then recovers, their score will suffer, but not as much as you're making it out to be.
The inevitable solution for having a combo-based scoring system is going to require a curve that emphasizes building combo more than it does sustaining it - that is, putting a larger weight of the score for the combo bonus in the first x% of a song's max combo, and then resolving that curve over the remaining portion of the combo.
It's very clear that the weighting is harsh if you find some of the screenshots going around -- it does need to be addressed, as it is certainly not infallible. I don't agree with the modifier bonuses for HD/FL/FI, but I do feel like a slight orientation towards combo allows one of the more key elements of the game to be emphasized, and that's long notes. With the way the timing window has been shifted for V2, the mechanic is a lot more important to be proficient at - and it penalizes the fuck out of you if you can't do it (as it should).
in scoreV2, lets say 2 players play this map.I wanted to address you in the Discord regarding this (at least, I think it was you) but had to go off to lunch so I'm gonna do it here I guess:
player 1 misses 1 time on accidentally in the very middle, but thats his only miss.
player 2 isnt as good as player 1, and cant keep up with the 250 bpm at the end, and misses 5-8 times, but he combo'd the rest of the song.
assuming they had similar 200/100/50 counts, player 2s score would be *miles* ahead of player 1, despite playing much worse on the map.
With how the accuracy v2 formula works, 5-8 misses would cause a MASSIVE drop in score, especially if there's not a huge amount of notes. Even with 2000 notes, 5 to 8 misses would cause a reasonable dent on the accuracy side and would likely suffer a reasonable amount against the amount of points that the other player would have lost chopping the song right down the middle. Everyone is making it seem like a combo right in the middle is going to completely invalidate your score and make it so that it's impossible to come back -- the fact of the matter is, a miss right in the middle of the chart is still going to net you half of the combo scoring attribute, assuming that the chart has a constant pace -- for anyone who doesn't realize it, hasn't read yet, or refuses to read due to being completely blinded by a new score system, combo is only going to accommodate for 20% of the score. If a player simply misses and then recovers, their score will suffer, but not as much as you're making it out to be.
The inevitable solution for having a combo-based scoring system is going to require a curve that emphasizes building combo more than it does sustaining it - that is, putting a larger weight of the score for the combo bonus in the first x% of a song's max combo, and then resolving that curve over the remaining portion of the combo.
It's very clear that the weighting is harsh if you find some of the screenshots going around -- it does need to be addressed, as it is certainly not infallible. I don't agree with the modifier bonuses for HD/FL/FI, but I do feel like a slight orientation towards combo allows one of the more key elements of the game to be emphasized, and that's long notes. With the way the timing window has been shifted for V2, the mechanic is a lot more important to be proficient at - and it penalizes the fuck out of you if you can't do it (as it should).
Guys, why we dont change the score system? pretty simple right, i dont see any reply on this saying that we should change the score system we have. you know, see all this commotion about the change... can we HEAR the players? if a massive amount of player saying that its NOT good its WORSE, we should not change right? or because of the minority we will change!?!? i dont think thats correct, just saying.
As a example, did someone complained about the Rate mods? (Not saying the Score multiplier, the mod itself)
See, when we LIKE we dont Complain.
So why changing the score system?
Like, changing the score system to a WORSE score system?
.
As a example, did someone complained about the Rate mods? (Not saying the Score multiplier, the mod itself)
See, when we LIKE we dont Complain.
So why changing the score system?
Like, changing the score system to a WORSE score system?
.
20% is still massive for something that is as arbitrary as combo scoring. in a system where the difficulty structure of a chart is not taken into account, where you miss should be irrelevant. to put things in perspective, 20% is 200k. the difference between a 600k barely-passed-the-chart play and an 800k "I-can-get-97%-or-higher" play. (of course its near impossible to actually get 0 points from the combo factor but that's besides the point)Halogen- wrote:
With how the accuracy v2 formula works, 5-8 misses would cause a MASSIVE drop in score, especially if there's not a huge amount of notes. Even with 2000 notes, 5 to 8 misses would cause a reasonable dent on the accuracy side and would likely suffer a reasonable amount against the amount of points that the other player would have lost chopping the song right down the middle. Everyone is making it seem like a combo right in the middle is going to completely invalidate your score and make it so that it's impossible to come back -- the fact of the matter is, a miss right in the middle of the chart is still going to net you half of the combo scoring attribute, assuming that the chart has a constant pace -- for anyone who doesn't realize it, hasn't read yet, or refuses to read due to being completely blinded by a new score system, combo is only going to accommodate for 20% of the score. If a player simply misses and then recovers, their score will suffer, but not as much as you're making it out to be.
The inevitable solution for having a combo-based scoring system is going to require a curve that emphasizes building combo more than it does sustaining it - that is, putting a larger weight of the score for the combo bonus in the first x% of a song's max combo, and then resolving that curve over the remaining portion of the combo.
It's very clear that the weighting is harsh if you find some of the screenshots going around -- it does need to be addressed, as it is certainly not infallible. I don't agree with the modifier bonuses for HD/FL/FI, but I do feel like a slight orientation towards combo allows one of the more key elements of the game to be emphasized, and that's long notes. With the way the timing window has been shifted for V2, the mechanic is a lot more important to be proficient at - and it penalizes the fuck out of you if you can't do it (as it should).
In many cases for vsrg charts the end is the hardest part of the file (due to both climax theory and stamina), yet in a system where combo is taken into account, the end is the place where, if you have to miss, it is most optimal to miss at. this system literally rewards doing bad on the hardest part
considering how most peoples top plays are either 1) low 90s on overrated maps, or 2) SDCB plays.
these types of scores are going to be EXTREMELY affected by this system. the low 90s type of scores will turn into fluke/mashed scores that got unnaturally high combo, and those SDCB scores will no longer be about improving accuracy on runs and now about keeping your combo as long as you can at any cost
please remove score multiplier from HD/FL those mods literally make charts easier lol
I play nomod 90% of the time and still score higher with HD than without. giving vision mods a score bonus is kind of ridiculous.
for HR/DT it's fine imo, due to the 1mil fixed score style. it means you only gain anything from those after you already 940K+ score on the chart, which is a good point to already scrap nomod and go for DT
please remove HT/EZ scores completely. simply because those mods are lame. we don't need people getting PP from HT maniera that's zzz...
I play nomod 90% of the time and still score higher with HD than without. giving vision mods a score bonus is kind of ridiculous.
for HR/DT it's fine imo, due to the 1mil fixed score style. it means you only gain anything from those after you already 940K+ score on the chart, which is a good point to already scrap nomod and go for DT
please remove HT/EZ scores completely. simply because those mods are lame. we don't need people getting PP from HT maniera that's zzz...
Excuse me, but what happens to the old scores?
Do they get automatically updated or what?
Do they get automatically updated or what?
People are wondering about what would happen to old scores when this is officially implemented. Would there be a score wipe or a way to convert old scores into the ScoreV2 system?
rip best pp System NotLikeThis
Edit: I'm drunk nvm.
Edit: I'm drunk nvm.
This is score system, not pp systemAnkanogradiel wrote:
rip best pp System NotLikeThis
Ayaya wrote:
This is score system, not pp systemAnkanogradiel wrote:
rip best pp System NotLikeThis
yah misread sorry.
i don't think the old scores will be wiped tbh
more likely to be left as they are now. because it has happened before in osu standard if I remember well
just gonna chill here and wait for v3 score system next drama.
So about the ''COMBO'' score, and the Score multipliers.
First of all, COMBO is not the entire thing on mania, we dont want to suffer so much because we just missed 1 TIME in the freaking map.
Score V1 VS Score V2:
Score V2 99,41 2xmiss in ONE spot, the middle of the map: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5390253 855,415 (Ratio 6:1 of 300g)
Score V1 96,11 16xmiss in various spot: http://puu.sh/psLAa/1c0ec14641.jpg 875,531 (Ratio 1:1 of 300g)
... good right? of course not
And for the love of God, 1.06x multiplier is PRETTY big, you know i PASSED 1MILLION with 1:1 RATIO because of COMBO SCORE
~ https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5390366
Missed in the FINALS note, and STILL BREAKED THE 1MILLION
(Max combo: 1,507)
Please, consider that combo score is pretty ridiculous
First of all, COMBO is not the entire thing on mania, we dont want to suffer so much because we just missed 1 TIME in the freaking map.
Score V1 VS Score V2:
Score V2 99,41 2xmiss in ONE spot, the middle of the map: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5390253 855,415 (Ratio 6:1 of 300g)
Score V1 96,11 16xmiss in various spot: http://puu.sh/psLAa/1c0ec14641.jpg 875,531 (Ratio 1:1 of 300g)
... good right? of course not
And for the love of God, 1.06x multiplier is PRETTY big, you know i PASSED 1MILLION with 1:1 RATIO because of COMBO SCORE
~ https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5390366
Missed in the FINALS note, and STILL BREAKED THE 1MILLION
(Max combo: 1,507)
Please, consider that combo score is pretty ridiculous
I do agree on the LN changes and some mod multipliers, but I don't agree on adding rewards on HD/FI/FL since it's just a visual mod which helps the players who don't do well with No Mod.
[*]The biggest thing I disagree on is the combo scoring. Combo should be given less or no reward at all since you can technically have worse accuracy and high combo and beat your previous score. Let's say you get a 95.2% S rank and then you have a score that's around a low 94% with less MAX and more 200s and 100s and misses near the end of the map, but you had a higher combo and that would have a higher score than the S rank which doesn't seem fair at all. I've also noticed in the testing that people intentionally missed in middle of combos but still had extremely high accuracy with 99%, but those with 96% and had very high combos completely demolished those scores. In my opinion, a Small reward should be given for having higher combo or FC such as having a 5% part of the score instead of the ludicrous 20%.
[*]HR should be reworked to and I'm fine with the 1.06x multiplier and if it were higher it would be better
[*]DT should have a higher Score multiplier rewarding the player more such as STD's 1.12x.
[*]Those rates would be nice to have, 100/110/120%... but would need DT to have a 1.25x multiplier to have each 10% be worth .05x multiplier.
e.g 1.1x rate/110% would give 1.05x and 1.4x rate/140% would give 1.2x
[*]HT rate should be given less reward as STD does. STD gives .30x , but Mania gives .5x which I hope gets lowered to .30x like in STD to give players less reward for playing Half Time.
In recap, good changes on the LNs, bad on adding multiplier to HD/FI/FL. Really bad on the combo scoring , HR could be better but is good so far, DT give more reward and should have rates and HT give less reward I am very glad a change is happening, but I hope it won't be a disaster. Fix these problems please! 
[*]The biggest thing I disagree on is the combo scoring. Combo should be given less or no reward at all since you can technically have worse accuracy and high combo and beat your previous score. Let's say you get a 95.2% S rank and then you have a score that's around a low 94% with less MAX and more 200s and 100s and misses near the end of the map, but you had a higher combo and that would have a higher score than the S rank which doesn't seem fair at all. I've also noticed in the testing that people intentionally missed in middle of combos but still had extremely high accuracy with 99%, but those with 96% and had very high combos completely demolished those scores. In my opinion, a Small reward should be given for having higher combo or FC such as having a 5% part of the score instead of the ludicrous 20%.
[*]HR should be reworked to and I'm fine with the 1.06x multiplier and if it were higher it would be better
[*]DT should have a higher Score multiplier rewarding the player more such as STD's 1.12x.
[*]Those rates would be nice to have, 100/110/120%... but would need DT to have a 1.25x multiplier to have each 10% be worth .05x multiplier.
e.g 1.1x rate/110% would give 1.05x and 1.4x rate/140% would give 1.2x
[*]HT rate should be given less reward as STD does. STD gives .30x , but Mania gives .5x which I hope gets lowered to .30x like in STD to give players less reward for playing Half Time.
I am very glad a change is happening, but I hope it won't be a disaster. Fix these problems please! I'll voice that the combo portion should be lowered to 10 or 5%, or stay as it is with the current system.
20% is definitely too much and would make tournament matches less exciting than they already are, as it would create much larger score gaps than before (that's what I'm thinking at least). I have experienced losses of over 100k Score because of 1 miss in the wrong place.
Another option I see is setting a limit to the "combo bonus", similar to Taiko: You get more Score for a higher combo, but this is limited to something like 200-300 combo (or 10% of the total notes). That way, you can measure consistency without relying on a flawless play too much.
If this was to be implemented as the regular score mechanic, it would make Mania needlessly grindy. I think most people prefer the score system as it is.
LN changes are really good!
The mods aspect has been stressed out enough here.
20% is definitely too much and would make tournament matches less exciting than they already are, as it would create much larger score gaps than before (that's what I'm thinking at least). I have experienced losses of over 100k Score because of 1 miss in the wrong place.
Another option I see is setting a limit to the "combo bonus", similar to Taiko: You get more Score for a higher combo, but this is limited to something like 200-300 combo (or 10% of the total notes). That way, you can measure consistency without relying on a flawless play too much.
If this was to be implemented as the regular score mechanic, it would make Mania needlessly grindy. I think most people prefer the score system as it is.
LN changes are really good!
The mods aspect has been stressed out enough here.
yes this seems kind of unfair. combo percentage should be a bit lower but not zero. The ideal for me would be a score system based on 90% accuracy 5% number of misses and 5% combo but that would require big changes.
There is nothing else left to say really.Vygatron wrote:
JUST FUCK MY ASS WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS COMBO SHIT
The fact that this is being considered means something is already very wrong.
want to point out that this is the post that I liked the most and I share the same opinion on most of the aspectsrohen04 wrote:
I'll voice that the combo portion should be lowered to 10 or 5%, or stay as it is with the current system.
20% is definitely too much and would make tournament matches less exciting than they already are, as it would create much larger score gaps than before (that's what I'm thinking at least). I have experienced losses of over 100k Score because of 1 miss in the wrong place.
Another option I see is setting a limit to the "combo bonus", similar to Taiko: You get more Score for a higher combo, but this is limited to something like 200-300 combo (or 10% of the total notes). That way, you can measure consistency without relying on a flawless play too much.
If this was to be implemented as the regular score mechanic, it would make Mania needlessly grindy. I think most people prefer the score system as it is.
LN changes are really good!
The mods aspect has been stressed out enough here.
Logarythm where combo bonus is getting smaller when combo is higher should be a good balance. Because you dont lose that much when you miss in middle of song.rohen04 wrote:
I'll voice that the combo portion should be lowered to 10 or 5%, or stay as it is with the current system.
20% is definitely too much and would make tournament matches less exciting than they already are, as it would create much larger score gaps than before (that's what I'm thinking at least). I have experienced losses of over 100k Score because of 1 miss in the wrong place.
Another option I see is setting a limit to the "combo bonus", similar to Taiko: You get more Score for a higher combo, but this is limited to something like 200-300 combo (or 10% of the total notes). That way, you can measure consistency without relying on a flawless play too much.
If this was to be implemented as the regular score mechanic, it would make Mania needlessly grindy. I think most people prefer the score system as it is.
LN changes are really good!
The mods aspect has been stressed out enough here.
About visual mods I think its fine to leave it as 1.06x. We cant deny that playing HD / FL (despite being just personal preference) is something that should be rewarded because it does change the difficulty of reading at least.
Which I dont agree tho is that HR and DT are BY FAR harder than any visual mod. HR being 1,06x and with the 300g window is pmuch imposible to beat nomod scores and if you do, you wont do it for too much. I think HR should give 1,25x to make a difference.
By not leaving the multiplier for visual mods well, HD players can still play hidden but a nomod wont ever think about going HD / FL. If you keep the multiplier you might actualy give the chance to some teams to take some risks in order to pull out a good FL / HD performance to try and outclass a team that is slighty better in accuracy.
Just my 2 cents. I will test this as much as I can to give feedback but not too sure how strong I am at maths to give stuff.
And also, for all those people that disagree with the change is 100% fine that you do! But please, dont disturb the post. Just posting a "I dont like the score system" is fine, even if it lacks of feedback at least we can know if the changes suits or not for a % of the people. Saying that tho its really good if you can give suggestions (it doesnt have to be like a huge text wall like Shoegazer if you dont really want lol) but even giving a bit of suggestions is always good.
And yeah, I am talking to you, Stepmania player. You can always keep playing Stepmania if you dont want to help with this but please dont post here just to disturb.
Which I dont agree tho is that HR and DT are BY FAR harder than any visual mod. HR being 1,06x and with the 300g window is pmuch imposible to beat nomod scores and if you do, you wont do it for too much. I think HR should give 1,25x to make a difference.
By not leaving the multiplier for visual mods well, HD players can still play hidden but a nomod wont ever think about going HD / FL. If you keep the multiplier you might actualy give the chance to some teams to take some risks in order to pull out a good FL / HD performance to try and outclass a team that is slighty better in accuracy.
Just my 2 cents. I will test this as much as I can to give feedback but not too sure how strong I am at maths to give stuff.
And also, for all those people that disagree with the change is 100% fine that you do! But please, dont disturb the post. Just posting a "I dont like the score system" is fine, even if it lacks of feedback at least we can know if the changes suits or not for a % of the people. Saying that tho its really good if you can give suggestions (it doesnt have to be like a huge text wall like Shoegazer if you dont really want lol) but even giving a bit of suggestions is always good.
And yeah, I am talking to you, Stepmania player. You can always keep playing Stepmania if you dont want to help with this but please dont post here just to disturb.
ln changes seem cool, would like to test them out but i don't have a supp tag l0l
visual mods should help you read, not boost your score
dt and hr boosts should be a bit higher imo
combo is valued a bit too much in the score, combo scoring should be tweaked a bit or just diminished
people are reacting too explosively here (like usual)
i think that's everything
good to see things moving for once
just make sure to take what the majority of the community suggests seriously now, even if some of them are reacting in the way they are in the moment
visual mods should help you read, not boost your score
dt and hr boosts should be a bit higher imo
combo is valued a bit too much in the score, combo scoring should be tweaked a bit or just diminished
people are reacting too explosively here (like usual)
i think that's everything
good to see things moving for once
just make sure to take what the majority of the community suggests seriously now, even if some of them are reacting in the way they are in the moment
Thank you for this Juan, many people don't understand that you guys are trying to get as much feedback as possible to Improve this and just saying " i don't like it" doesn't help them not make it bad for you guys. These people have several months to fix this, so you don't have to overreact because something is very wrong on the very first day. Just give them feedback on what you like and or don't like and they'll look into it.juankristal wrote:
And also, for all those people that disagree with the change is 100% fine that you do! But please, dont disturb the post. Just posting a "I dont like the score system" is fine, even if it lacks of feedback at least we can know if the changes suits or not for a % of the people. Saying that tho its really good if you can give suggestions (it doesnt have to be like a huge text wall like Shoegazer if you dont really want lol) but even giving a bit of suggestions is always good.
And yeah, I am talking to you, Stepmania player. You can always keep playing Stepmania if you dont want to help with this but please dont post here just to disturb.
Those are nice changes for mania players who have great aim.
Mania is really chill cause Combo doesnt matter too much and I think 10% > 20% if you do decide to change thigs for the sake of change only
As a permanent FL player I disagree with giving vision mods a bonus. Vision mods in mania games are more a playstyle than something to increase difficulty and should be considered this way. I do think it's cool that a bonus would possibly add to the tactics in mwc, but I don't think that outweighs the effect it has on players like myself. Giving players like myself a 6% bonus on score is unfair given that playing flashlight for me is equivalent to playing nomod for most players.
Not sure if HR+DT should give 1.12x but if thats supposed to be true then there is a bug over there!
Quoting this because this sums up my main concerns about scorev2, it's not fair to nomod players if folks who have incorporated visual mods into their playstyle get a free boost in score just for having a mod they can't play without active.Bobbias wrote:
As a permanent FL player I disagree with giving vision mods a bonus. Vision mods in mania games are more a playstyle than something to increase difficulty and should be considered this way. I do think it's cool that a bonus would possibly add to the tactics in mwc, but I don't think that outweighs the effect it has on players like myself. Giving players like myself a 6% bonus on score is unfair given that playing flashlight for me is equivalent to playing nomod for most players.
When's fixed HD cover tho : ?
As a side note, I am not too sure if this is related to multi rooms itself or just scoreV2 but you can check this by yourself:
It applies DT mod to a single player randomly like that and well, you can draw your own conclusions.
It applies DT mod to a single player randomly like that and well, you can draw your own conclusions.
Pretty much every player that i know who mains a visual mod, says that you should never learn to use visual mods because it's too hard to get used to nomod again. I'm also weird and play on a high scroll speed which makes it really awkward for me to try visual mods. If i play hidden, i can't really get used to the lack of reading space compared to nomod as i focus on a fairly low point on the playfield but it really messes with how well i can keep up if some of that is obscured. Flashlight is something which seems to help players who have issues with reading denser patterns within short amounts of time. I have the opposite problem, i have trouble with reading anything below speed 32 at this point for 4k (i currently play 35).
Although i could try and learn to use visual mods and try and adjust to reading with them, based on what other players have always told me about them, they're not worth learning to use. I don't know many players who can just casually switch between nomod and usually visual mods. There's a lot of players who sometimes use Hidden on maps which they find too hard for them. People have told me that they do that in order to have less on the screen to focus on (I remember Cryolien once telling me that he couldn't pass some of the mappool of a tournament without playing hidden despite not being a hidden player).
The idea of giving a score increase to players who use visual mods just seems like it's giving players a free handicap which they don't actually need. Also, the hidden and fade-in mods in general have their own problems. There're so many players who use things such as lane covers or a kind of static hidden element within their skins instead of using the mods. I believe that a lot more people would use hidden and fade-in if they had some form of customisation. Fade-in is not really even a legitimate option, at least whilst it has the combo scaling. Having fade-in set to a certain point or being able to customise it would make it much more of a playable option. There's an extremely big difference between reading from the top of the playfield and having to adjust your timing to compensate, and having to read every note right before it touches the judgement line. This basically forces you to drop combo to avoid getting constant 200s or lower.
Well that's me going too in depth over small things as usual. Hope the opinions help in some way.
Good luck with finding a balance.
Although i could try and learn to use visual mods and try and adjust to reading with them, based on what other players have always told me about them, they're not worth learning to use. I don't know many players who can just casually switch between nomod and usually visual mods. There's a lot of players who sometimes use Hidden on maps which they find too hard for them. People have told me that they do that in order to have less on the screen to focus on (I remember Cryolien once telling me that he couldn't pass some of the mappool of a tournament without playing hidden despite not being a hidden player).
The idea of giving a score increase to players who use visual mods just seems like it's giving players a free handicap which they don't actually need. Also, the hidden and fade-in mods in general have their own problems. There're so many players who use things such as lane covers or a kind of static hidden element within their skins instead of using the mods. I believe that a lot more people would use hidden and fade-in if they had some form of customisation. Fade-in is not really even a legitimate option, at least whilst it has the combo scaling. Having fade-in set to a certain point or being able to customise it would make it much more of a playable option. There's an extremely big difference between reading from the top of the playfield and having to adjust your timing to compensate, and having to read every note right before it touches the judgement line. This basically forces you to drop combo to avoid getting constant 200s or lower.
Well that's me going too in depth over small things as usual. Hope the opinions help in some way.
Good luck with finding a balance.
Welp if this is the logic we going with, please CTB score based on accuracy next please.
No but for real:
In what world do Combo add more too consistency than ACC???
No but for real:
Score is made up of 20% combo and 80% accuracy.What in the actual FUCK?!?
We want to value the more accurate players (accuracy) whilst applying a small reward for consistency (combo).
In what world do Combo add more too consistency than ACC???
idk if you are aware, but the people who use those visual mods do it to make reading EASIER. theres a reason why LR2 players use their own custom lane covers, and their own sudden/hidden settings. people dont use those mods to make the game harder. its literally there for their own ability to read. giving those a bonus multiplier would be like giving certain HitPositions a multiplier, or certain scroll speeds a multiplierjuankristal wrote:
About visual mods I think its fine to leave it as 1.06x. We cant deny that playing HD / FL (despite being just personal preference) is something that should be rewarded because it does change the difficulty of reading at least.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
Don't give FL/HD multipliers!
HR is debatable, but but like what most people say, FL/HD is more of a play style.
Don't give FL/HD multipliers!
HR is debatable, but but like what most people say, FL/HD is more of a play style.
oh yeah... demm...projectc1 wrote:
just gonna chill here and wait for v3 score system next drama.
It's not drama. They want feedback and people are giving their feedback. Some people have been way too immature about how they've tried to make their position known but at least they are making people aware of their opinion as a whole. People should not join in with what those people have done but it still shows that people dislike the ideas.
If you don't give any feedback, nothing will change. If you don't give detailed feedback, no *specific* changes will be made. Just make sure to voice your opinions and ideas without filling the thread (or any other thread), with what is basically spam with a small point to make.
If you don't give any feedback, nothing will change. If you don't give detailed feedback, no *specific* changes will be made. Just make sure to voice your opinions and ideas without filling the thread (or any other thread), with what is basically spam with a small point to make.