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Shakira - Whenever, Wherever [Taiko]

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Mafumafu
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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017年12月21日 at 18:11:05

Artist: Shakira
Title: Whenever, Wherever
Tags: Laundry Service Tim Mitchell latin worldbeat PatZar Prophecy Genocide Gero
BPM: 107.7
Filesize: 2026kb
Play Time: 01:01
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (1.55 stars, 99 notes)
  2. Gen's Oni (2.79 stars, 204 notes)
  3. Gero's Oni (3.1 stars, 256 notes)
  4. Kantan (0.88 stars, 65 notes)
  5. Oni (2.7 stars, 185 notes)
  6. Prophecy's Muzukashii (2 stars, 136 notes)
Download: Shakira - Whenever, Wherever
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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35th.
Kantan - me Futsuu - me Muzukashii - Prophecy
Oni - me Oni #2 - PatZar Oni #3 - Gero

Metadata:
http://www.shakira.com/music/9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weRHyjj34ZE
Last edited by Mafumafu , edited 42 times in total.
Prophecy
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Prophecy
Why.
Mafumafu
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Prophecy wrote:

Why.
？？
Prophecy
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Prophecy
To conclude with the mod:

Unrankable issue:
  1. Disable Widescreen Support, because you don't have SB.
  2. You don't need combo color for Taiko difficulties.
  3. HP/OD Setting

General Suggestion:
  1. Using some simple 1/4 pattern in Muzukashii instead of some complex "dk" or "kkd" pattern.
  2. Do not place use any big notes if it's stick to 1/4 stream.
  3. Avoid to use long pattern in Futsuu and Kantan, suggest 5 plets or lower.
  4. Try to keep the Spread well. It's little bit of unbalance.
  5. Refer to post p/5115932
Comment:
  1. Nice mapset. Just keep it in your mind, It would help you to map taiko a lots. Good Luck!

SPOILER
23:13 Prophecy: Regrazzzzzzzz
23:13 Prophecy: hi!
23:13 Regraz: Hiii!
23:14 *Prophecy is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/972256 Shakira - Whenever, Wherever]
23:14 Prophecy: Nice one
23:14 Regraz: Thanks!
23:14 Prophecy: :^)
23:14 Prophecy: just few point to remind you, 
23:14 *Prophecy is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/972266 Shakira - Whenever, Wherever [Fuutsu]]
23:14 Regraz: Do you have some advicce :D
23:14 Regraz: Yeah'
23:14 Prophecy: we usually don't use 1/4 in Futsuu
23:14 Prophecy: unless it's really low BPM
23:15 Regraz: Yeah
23:15 Regraz: I guess I didnt use 1/4 :D
23:15 Prophecy: 00:41:560 (69) - 
23:15 Prophecy: you miss this 69
23:15 Regraz: Oh I see
23:15 Prophecy: :^)
23:16 Prophecy: and no long 1/2 pattern
23:16 Prophecy: 00:55:069 (100,101,102,103,104,105,106) - 
23:16 Regraz: Too long?
23:16 Regraz: Yeah
23:16 Prophecy: yea
23:16 Prophecy: you can remove 00:55:348 (101,105) - 
23:16 Regraz: \I try to reduce it
23:16 Prophecy: and become k dkk d
23:16 Regraz: OK!
23:16 Prophecy: keeping ;)
23:17 Prophecy: same pattern is the nice way :D
23:17 *Prophecy is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/972156 Shakira - Whenever, Wherever [Muzukashii]]
23:17 Regraz: Yep
23:17 Prophecy: 00:11:337 (12) - it's different with 00:13:565 
23:17 Prophecy: maybe add a don?
23:18 Regraz: In 13:565?
23:18 Prophecy: 00:16:908 - you're missing a note here 
23:18 Prophecy: yea
23:18 Prophecy: maybe ddd is better
23:18 Regraz: But should I add a d at 00:09:108 (6) - too?
23:19 Prophecy: same as here 00:30:278
23:19 Prophecy: yea, you can
23:19 Prophecy: because you also added a don on Futsuu
23:19 Regraz: Yep
23:20 Prophecy: 00:34:456 (81,82,83,84,85,86) - this pattern are not fine
23:20 Regraz: So do I
23:20 Regraz: Yet I dont have better ideas
23:20 Prophecy: you can put dk dk dk to -> [http://puu.sh/oLFl3.jpg this]
23:21 Prophecy: ofc, this cannot pass too 00:36:685 (87,88,89,90,91,92) - 
23:21 Regraz: OK!
23:22 Prophecy: no, I highly recommend you to remove the finisher (become a small note) at 00:42:813 (104) - , we usually not put a big note at the end of 1/4
23:22 Regraz: Oh that is my mistake
23:22 Regraz: removed
23:22 Regraz: I used a hitsound software and forget to remove the finisher
23:22 Regraz: xD
23:23 Regraz: Same at01:01:197 (172) -
23:23 Prophecy: 00:50:334 (130,131,132) - as Dake said, Muzukashii should use some monotone pattern
23:23 Prophecy: prefer ddd/kkk
23:24 Prophecy: actually I really not sure about the "dk" pattern in your map
23:24 Regraz: OK
23:24 Prophecy: 01:00:919 (170,171) -  same as above, kkk I think
23:24 Regraz: I am not sure either, mintong said it looks more like an easy Oni
23:24 Prophecy: yea
23:25 Regraz: yeah
23:25 Prophecy: dk"
23:25 Prophecy: pattern like Lite Oni XP
23:25 Regraz: How about changing it to Oni and add a new diff?
23:25 Prophecy: no, I not really suggest that
23:25 Prophecy: seems the spread is fine
23:25 Prophecy: you can add a another difficulties instead
23:25 Regraz: OK
23:25 Prophecy: but ensure your Muzukashii should provide enough break
23:26 Prophecy: 00:58:690 - like this
23:26 Regraz: Yeah, maybe add more 1/1 breaks?
23:26 Prophecy: really nice break
23:27 Regraz: OK will try to add more appropriate ones
23:27 Prophecy: but really nice difficulties , you did a great job!
23:27 Regraz: Thank you very much!
23:27 Prophecy: In Kantan, 
23:27 Prophecy: few point more
23:27 Prophecy: 00:49:498 (46,47,48,49,50,51,52) - 
23:27 Regraz: Do you mind posting in the forum?
23:27 Regraz: Yeah\
23:27 Prophecy: too long @@
23:28 Prophecy: I think 5 notes is fine, but 5+ plets that really not good
23:28 Prophecy: That's all. Good Luck with your map, nice mapset and I hope I can help you

Call me again if you added any other difficulties.
Last edited by Prophecy , edited 2 times in total.
Mafumafu
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Mafumafu
Thank you prophecy!
Fixed the unrankable issues and will fix the rest issues when next mods came!
PatZar
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PatZar
ircmod
21:31 Regraz: Hiiiii!
21:32 PatZar: ohaiiii
21:32 Regraz: Would you like to have a testplay on my first taiko map ;w;?
21:32 PatZar: sure
21:32 PatZar: :3
21:33 Regraz: I need advice ;w;
21:33 PatZar: do you join #cantonese?
21:33 *Regraz is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/972156 Shakira - Whenever, Wherever]
21:33 PatZar: never see you there
21:33 PatZar: lol
21:33 Regraz: Haha I am in Chinese
21:33 Regraz: #chinese
21:33 Regraz: becasue I cannot speak cantonese ;w;
21:33 PatZar: wa
21:33 PatZar: mandarin is hard
21:33 PatZar: same as cantonese
21:33 PatZar: lmao xD
21:33 Regraz: yep
21:33 Regraz: xD
21:33 *PatZar is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/972156 Shakira - Whenever, Wherever]
21:34 PatZar: wow i like this song
21:34 Regraz: OK
21:34 Regraz: wow!
21:34 Regraz: I am glad you like it!
21:34 Regraz: But my map is poor
21:34 Regraz: ;w;
21:34 *PatZar is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/972156 Shakira - Whenever, Wherever [Muzukashii]]
21:35 PatZar: for muzukashii is fine for ox, xo things, but i dont recommend it 
21:35 PatZar: and well the bpm is fine low too, so probably ox, xo things would be fine imo
21:35 Regraz: Oh so I can just use ddd kkk?
21:36 Regraz: Yeah some other modders also pick up these issues so I guess i should take it into consideration
21:37 PatZar: i like this repetitive style lol
21:37 Regraz: repetitive ;w;
21:38 Regraz: I just wonder if it's allowed \
21:38 PatZar: it is, dont worry www
21:38 Regraz: ok :D
21:38 PatZar: well, the spread is "more" good if you add an oni
21:39 PatZar: 00:43:649 - becuase it still have a sound
21:39 Regraz: Oni? Isn't it an extra difficulty?
21:39 PatZar: oni = insane
21:39 PatZar: muzukashii = hard
21:39 Regraz: ep
21:39 Regraz: yep*
21:40 Regraz: Though I really don't know how to map Oni ;w;
21:40 Regraz: B-But is the spread now ok? I wonder if the gap is too huge between the difficulties
21:41 PatZar: and i think, this muzu would be boring if the muzu's style is too repetitive
21:41 PatZar: yes
21:41 PatZar: futsuu should add more notes 
21:42 PatZar: it's about 20-30notes
21:42 PatZar: and muzu should add more breaks
21:42 Regraz: ahh
21:42 Regraz: 1/1 breaks?
21:43 PatZar: recommend 2/1 and 1/1 breaks
21:43 Regraz: OK!
21:43 PatZar: anyway, change the diff name
21:43 PatZar: fuutsu -> futsuu
21:44 Regraz: Ahahah I am sorry
21:44 PatZar: and the spread between futsuu and muzu is too close
21:44 Regraz: close??
21:44 PatZar: probably make muzu more harder and add some note in futsuu
21:44 PatZar: yeah close
21:45 Regraz: B-but you just let me place more notes in Futsuu and more breaks in Muzu
21:45 Regraz: Will it even decrease the gap more?
21:45 Regraz: ah
21:45 PatZar: emmm
21:46 PatZar: it confusee me
21:46 Regraz: more harder, like to make dk into ddk?
21:46 PatZar: wwww
21:46 PatZar: 00:18:858 (32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45) - for e.g between futsuu and muzu
21:46 Regraz: eww
21:47 Regraz: yea?
21:47 PatZar: i dont recommend about oox and other kinds of oox in muzu
21:47 PatZar: 00:18:858 (32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45) - you can see the different about spread around here
21:48 PatZar: futsuu filled about 1/1 breaks and muzu, some 1/1 and 1/2
21:48 PatZar: and not sync-ing with futsuu
21:48 PatZar: ehh 
21:48 Regraz: Oh! Muzu should be the same as Futsuu in breaks?
21:48 PatZar: wait, my eye is too sleepy hahaha
21:48 Regraz: ehh?
21:49 PatZar: well the point is muzu still needs a bit breaks 
21:49 PatZar: like 1/2
21:49 Regraz: Ok
21:49 Regraz: I will add more breaks!
21:49 PatZar: and probably the spread is acceptable 
21:49 PatZar: if you add an oni
21:50 Regraz: ;w;;w;
21:50 Regraz: Oni
21:51 PatZar: if you want an oni from me just say it, i have a large free time
21:51 PatZar: :3
21:51 Regraz: Yeah I am very grateful if you can make a diff!
21:51 Regraz: :3
21:51 PatZar: okee
21:51 PatZar: lemee write down my task
21:52 PatZar: confusing with my desk
21:52 PatZar: lol
21:52 Regraz: Thank you!
21:52 PatZar: many papers
21:52 Regraz: ;w;
21:54 Regraz: Btw would you like to post your log in the forum?
21:54 Regraz: It helps a lot!
21:55 PatZar: sure, i will mod it too
21:55 PatZar: and i will post it with my difficult
21:55 Regraz: Thank you! :D
21:55 PatZar: :3 welcome
21:55 Regraz: OK!

second mod

[General]We should to follow about hp/od settings, it changes about a months ago
HP/OD
Kantan = 8/3
Futsuu = 7/4
Muzukashii = 6/5

as we talked before, muzu still needs more about 1/2 breaks, 1/1 breaks is too much in this muzu hahaha.

[Muzu]
as we talked before, to repetitive, but it's good muzu for me.
00:08:133 (2,3,4) - kat? that would be good if you follow the highest pitch at 00:08:273 (3) - .
00:12:590 (15,16,17) - same as above if you change that, for consistency.
00:19:276 (32,33,34,35) - dd k k, as i said, ox isn't that good but it's allowed in muzukashii.
00:23:733 (45,46,47,48) - ^ for consistency.
00:28:190 (58) - kat?, consistency if you change 00:08:133 (2,3,4) - .
00:32:647 (70) - you can change this as "kat" or "dd k k", but i prefer to change single kat.
00:34:456 (76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87) - about this, it's too harsh for me but since the bpm is low, it would be fine so its up on you :p.

kiai parts, there's no any breaks 1/1 or 1/2 or some kinds of breaks, so i prefer to delete some notes, and i can't mod above kiai, i can destroy your style xD

[Fuutsu]
where's Fuutsu xDDD, sorry bad pun :p

00:12:172 (10) - why use finish, since your muzu and kantan doesn't have it?, remove the finisher or add finisher in muzu.
umm, the futsuu is needed more breaks too, 1/1 break spams isn't cool for me :(, you can delete like 00:26:657 (39,40) - for more breaks, well for futsuu difficulty, that isn't need to follow a vocals or instruments too much, low difficulty like futsuu and kantan pointed to use more breaks not a beat one, so you can delete some notes here! :3

[Kantan]
i like 3/1 breaks here and nice structure kantan, well done

and here is my difficult http://puu.sh/oLJ6V/980ec72ea5.rar , hope you like it!
Mafumafu
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OK will check and add tomorrow!
Thank u patzar
Surono
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Surono
Prop you

Hi Re-gz!

>General
* Wanna Change the hitsounding to Normal? Soft just well.. not really good at taiko play
* Change OD/HP Kantan to 3/8, Futsuu 4/7, and Muzu 5/6 https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Difficulty_appr ... _Game_Mode HP Should higher for lower diffs

>Muzukashii
from 00:07:715 - ~ until 00:16:629 - here I would point some emphasize suggestion
* 00:08:551 - change kat to follow the ukulele ( lol I like to say word of UKULELE xd ), if you applied that, 00:13:008 - do this for consistency
* 00:10:362 - I think this better to remove bcus you just need dk for 00:08:133 - this vocal and next. this for easir pattern at first duration
* 00:10:780 - same at first suggestion
* 00:14:401 - I give screenshot for this http://puu.sh/oLIUA.jpg it followed the percussion and 00:16:072 - this weird if you still keep this
* 00:21:086 - ddd k k d? it better than repeating thats dk again and 00:21:922 - why this kat bcus is high vocal, should emphasized
* 00:23:733 (45,46,47,48,49,50) - this calm part, so make http://puu.sh/oLJfR.jpg like this instead. is better to avoid overrated
* 00:26:657 - how about change this kat for variaton?
* 00:29:164 - this should fill note for consistency with previous part
* 00:30:000 - same 00:21:086 - at here but 00:30:835 - keep this as don
* 00:32:646 - kat this? for give emphasize the ukelele lelelelel
* 00:34:456 (76,77) - swap this bcus emphasize on 00:34:456 (76) - here, and 00:36:685 - . it fits for vocal and guitar
* 00:42:256 (97) - I think this should kat finisher, 00:41:977 - bcus this similar percussion with this
* 00:42:674 (98,99,100) - this sound like kd k on high percussion
* 00:44:206 (104,108) - kat this, bcus is high to be emphasized
* 00:46:016 - move to 00:46:573 - here? I think is better emphasize as pattern and also thats give rest at 00:45:877 - here
* 00:48:105 - delete this
* 00:51:448 - ^ same above
* 00:52:284 - I think nice this change kat bcus kkk is easir. these drum for not differ since high beat. so why not?
* 00:53:119 (135,139) - you can keep these for variaton since vocal is down :3
* 00:54:930 - same suggestion at 00:46:016 -here and 00:55:626 (144,145,146,147,148) - change this kdkkd, ddk not hurts since is slow bpm :3
* 00:57:019 - delete this
* 01:00:083 - should emphasize with kat
* 01:01:197 - this can keep since Cymbal to strong lol

>Futsuu *sorry lol I just remember I like modding oni and after is Muzu lol xd*
* 00:12:172 - this finisher for what? remove lol
* 00:23:871 - and 00:24:707 - delete these, 00:24:150 - and 00:24:429 - don these.
* 00:28:885 (42,43,44) - swap this for variation? this fits with vocal
* 00:33:621 (54) - move to 00:33:342 - here to follow the Instrument
* 00:41:977 - delete this for easir to hit finisher?

and later will continue, I have to go >_>

edit:
waht u doin pat? huh faker I first modded this.. please ur Oni dem (((:

okey, on Futsuu diff you can selfmod about spread or just looks about my suggestion style for next duration on Futsuu
and well Kantan nice, just need moar rest like patzar said. GLUCK!
Prophecy
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Prophecy

Surono wrote:

Prop you
what lol?


why not using some simple 1/4 pattern in Muzukashii instead.
like ddd/kkk instead of ddk/kkd/dk/kd

leaving this complex pattern for Oni would be nice.


Some example here:

SPOILER


00:52:005 (133,134,135) - kkk
00:52:702 (136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143) - same as the example above.
01:00:919 (166,167,168) - kkk
00:54:930 (144,145) - ddd

[]

If you don't mind you can use my Muzukashii, ofc you can just for reference. I don't care which one you choose.

SPOILER
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TitleUnicode:Whenever, Wherever
Artist:Shakira
ArtistUnicode:Shakira
Creator:Regraz
Version:Muzukashii
Source:
Tags:Laundry Service Tim Mitchell latin pop worldbeat
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Surono
7,195 posts
Joined November 2013
Surono
no kd

Genotod Ura Oni
00:40:863 - teken coeg pake kat. ccd mengdatar :V
01:00:362 - kasih pola stream lah, lu kan high Oni

mana kkd? wah ga mengtaiko ini. mengrepeating :C

GLUCK!
Prophecy
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Joined December 2013
Prophecy

Surono wrote:

no kd

Genotod Ura Oni
00:40:863 - teken coeg pake kat. ccd mengdatar :V
01:00:362 - kasih pola stream lah, lu kan high Oni

mana kkd? wah ga mengtaiko ini. mengrepeating :C

GLUCK!

sir don't be so lazy, okkk,

@Regraz: after gather some more mod, you can ask Surono for a quick recheck.
Ascendance
Elite Mapper
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Ascendance
regraz <3 ganbatte :3
Prophecy
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Prophecy

Ascendance wrote:

regraz <3 ganbatte :3
and you should mod this :3
Mafumafu
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Mafumafu

Ascendance wrote:

regraz <3 ganbatte :3
Thank you! (will try some ctb later xDD

Prophecy wrote:

Ascendance wrote:

regraz <3 ganbatte :3
and you should mod this :3
Oh pls do not say that Prophecy
Surono
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Surono

Ascendance wrote:

regraz <3 ganbatte :3
mod my map please pls `L_` [2]
Mafumafu
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Mafumafu

Surono wrote:

Prop you

Hi Re-gz!

>General
* Wanna Change the hitsounding to Normal? Soft just well.. not really good at taiko play
* Change OD/HP Kantan to 3/8, Futsuu 4/7, and Muzu 5/6 https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Difficulty_appr ... _Game_Mode HP Should higher for lower diffs

>Futsuu *sorry lol I just remember I like modding oni and after is Muzu lol xd*
* 00:12:172 - this finisher for what? remove lol
* 00:23:871 - and 00:24:707 - delete these, 00:24:150 - and 00:24:429 - don these. ;w; why? I want to emphasize the absence of guitar here, making it distinct from other parts.
* 00:28:885 (42,43,44) - swap this for variation? this fits with vocal This is meant to keep consistent with 00:18:858 (23,24,25,26,27) - ukulelelele
* 00:33:621 (54) - move to 00:33:342 - here to follow the Instrument Keep consistent with former parts
* 00:41:977 - delete this for easir to hit finisher?

and later will continue, I have to go >_>

edit:
waht u doin pat? huh faker I first modded this.. please ur Oni dem (((:

okey, on Futsuu diff you can selfmod about spread or just looks about my suggestion style for next duration on Futsuu
and well Kantan nice, just need moar rest like patzar said. GLUCK!
Other all fixed!
Since Muzukashii has been changed to Oni I guess I will reconsider these mods !
Thank you!
Prophecy
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Prophecy

Surono wrote:

Ascendance wrote:

regraz <3 ganbatte :3
mod my map please pls `L_` [2]
sir you avatar... Charlotte , bbj and you.... :<
[R]
1,050 posts
Joined November 2013
[R]
yo

[Futsuu]

PatZar wrote:

umm, the futsuu is needed more breaks too, 1/1 break spams isn't cool for me :(, you can delete like 00:26:657 (39,40) - for more breaks, well for futsuu difficulty, that isn't need to follow a vocals or instruments too much, low difficulty like futsuu and kantan pointed to use more breaks not a beat one, so you can delete some notes here! :3
i agree with him, to keep spread betwen kantan

00:16:072 - delete ,sound like unsapped and you ignore this par t00:14:819 -
00:35:292 - move 00:36:406 - sound more enjoy and calm
00:37:521 - same ^

[Muzukashii]
00:17:743 - change kat, pitch different with 00:18:858 -
00:48:384 - change kat and delete 00:48:663 - sems like you following vocal in kiai
00:54:234 - change don ?
01:00:083 (147,148) - swap this ? different pitch in this part 01:00:083 -

just that from me
Good Luck
Prophecy
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Prophecy
Ron nice catch! fixed all

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Mafumafu
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Mafumafu
Fixed all and updated!
Thank you!
Prophecy
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Prophecy
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Fixed the spread between Muzu and Oni, SR 2.05.
Nardoxyribonucleic
osu! Alumni
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Nardoxyribonucleic
IRC mod with Regraz, Aug 14, 2016
19:10 Regraz: Hi, Nardo! ><
19:10 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hi!
19:18 Regraz: Hi! I am making my first taiko beatmap and I am really in need of advice in general from experienced taiko mapper/modders. Would you like to have testplay on my map and maybe point out things that I need to improve? :D
19:18 Nardoxyribonucleic: hmm okay
19:20 Regraz: Thank you! Just some advice is okay.
19:20 *Regraz is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/972156 Shakira - Whenever, Wherever [Oni]]
19:26 Regraz: Saved record! Thank you!
19:26 Nardoxyribonucleic: Let's start from Kantan
19:26 Regraz: OK!
19:27 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:07:715 (1) - you may add finish for stressed sound/loud cymbal
19:27 Regraz: OK!
19:29 Nardoxyribonucleic: One key concept for Kantan is the use of 2/1 and 1/1 patterns with rest moments of 4/1 long
19:30 Nardoxyribonucleic: while in your map you don't have any of them, so I'm going to suggest some possible spots for breaks
19:30 Regraz: OK!
19:31 Regraz: It is really unexpected that there need to be such long breaks in Kantan!
19:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: yeah, since beginners have to learn easier 1/1 patterns mainly in this level
19:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: longer breaks could act as buffer for them to prepare for the patterns
19:32 Regraz: I see!
19:34 Regraz: It is related to BPM? It's the same when dealing with 200BPM? Since the break would be as 1/2 long as 100BPM ones.
19:35 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:18:300 (12) - could be deleted imo, then you can move 00:20:529 (13) - to 00:19:972 -
19:35 Nardoxyribonucleic: Same. We map it according to snapping regardless of song BPM most of the time
19:36 Regraz: I see!
19:36 Nardoxyribonucleic: so how do you think of the suggestion above?
19:38 Regraz: Already done! Also would apply this to other similar sections.
19:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: I will help you one by one, some of your rhythms you made are good
19:38 Regraz: OK! :D
19:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:25:543 (19) - could add finish here as mentioned before
19:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: this is to keep consistency with 00:16:629 (11) - as well
19:40 Regraz: OK! Just worrying about if it would be too hard since 00:24:429 (17,18,19) - is a 1/1 pattern with three notes
19:40 Regraz: Yeah that's consistency
19:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: would be fine enough. We can even allow in maximum 3 1/1 big notes in a row for Kantan, like D D D
19:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: so d k D in 1/1 should be acceptable
19:43 Regraz: OK!
19:43 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:27:214 (20) - delete and move 00:29:443 (22) - to 00:28:885 - again ?
19:43 Regraz: Done!
19:45 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:42:256 (34,35) - these two notes could be deleted not only for a 4/1 break but also the spread with Futsuu
19:45 Regraz: Great!
19:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:48:384 (41) - could be moved to 00:48:941 - and change to d for variation
19:47 Regraz: Yep
19:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: in this way the vocal could be emphasized too
19:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:57:298 (53) - same as above
19:49 Regraz: Indeed
19:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: I guess that's all for Kantan. Let's move on to the next difficulty/
19:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: ah, one more thing before we do that
19:51 Regraz: Yeah?
19:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: Since the total note count in Kantan is quite low, you may change HP to 9 so that players could not pass with bad accuracy
19:51 Regraz: I see! That's a point.
19:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: in this way Futsuu can use HP 8
19:52 Regraz: OK!
19:52 Nardoxyribonucleic: could be 7 for Prophecy's Muzukashii, but you may need to talk with him later about that
19:53 *Nardoxyribonucleic is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/972266 Shakira - Whenever, Wherever [Futsuu]]
19:55 Nardoxyribonucleic: As difficulty increases, players have to learn some basic 1/2 patterns. In the meantime, we need plenty of 2/1 breaks so as not to make the diff too hard
19:55 Regraz: I see!
19:56 Regraz: (So I guess I should add more breaks here as well)
19:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:17:186 (18,20) - these notes could be deleted for spread with Kantan
19:58 Nardoxyribonucleic: Kantan has 4/1 break, so here we should use a 2/1 one
19:58 Regraz: Hmm then should I also remove the note at 00:19:415?
19:58 Nardoxyribonucleic: we will go through that soon
19:59 Regraz: OK!
20:00 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:20:250 (23) - this note could be moved to 00:19:136 - instead, so the 1/2 ddk is back
20:01 Regraz: Wow nice
20:02 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:21:643 (26) - move to 00:20:807 - instead for consistency of breaks?
20:03 Regraz: How about directly removing 00:21:643 (26) - ?
20:04 Nardoxyribonucleic: also fine
20:04 Regraz: OK!
20:05 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:26:100 (34,36) - same as the previous session
20:05 Nardoxyribonucleic: for one more 2/1 rest
20:08 Regraz: Done!
20:09 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:29:164 (39) - this time you may move this note to 00:28:607 - for pattern variety
20:09 Nardoxyribonucleic: then delete 00:30:557 (42) - again
20:11 Regraz: OK!
20:13 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:48:384 (75,76) - these notes could be removed again for a 2/1 break
20:14 Regraz: OK
20:15 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:57:298 (94) - same as ^
20:15 Regraz: Yea!
20:16 Nardoxyribonucleic: I guess that's all for Futsuu too~
20:16 Regraz: Wow! Thank you!
20:17 Nardoxyribonucleic: For Muzukashii, just remind Prophecy to have a 2/1 break about every 15-20seconds. Currently there is none x_x
20:18 Regraz: Yeah! I will tell him! :D
20:18 Regraz: In his discord xD
20:19 Nardoxyribonucleic: for your reference, we introduce some simple 1/2 + 1/4 pattern chains with some 2/1 breaks in Muzukashii to let intermediate players prepare for Oni
20:19 Regraz: Yep
20:20 Nardoxyribonucleic: now lastly the Oni
20:20 Regraz: But I remembered there're a lot of 1/4 patterns, ddd and kkd are in different difficulty level, right?
20:21 Nardoxyribonucleic: yes, in Muzukashii we mostly use monotone ones
20:21 Regraz: yea!
20:21 Nardoxyribonucleic: kkd, ddk, ddddd and kkkkk could occasionally be used, but they should stand rather alone and there should be a 2/1 break nearby
20:22 Regraz: Ok.
20:22 Regraz: But 1/4 dk or kd ones?
20:23 Nardoxyribonucleic: while patterns like dkd kdk dkk kdd or more difficult ones should only be appeared in Oni
20:23 Regraz: only two notes ;w; like the ones I used
20:23 Regraz: Yeah
20:23 Nardoxyribonucleic: 1/4 dk and kd could be used in Muzukashii as well, but is actually harder than ddd and kkk
20:23 Nardoxyribonucleic: because of the colour change
20:24 Nardoxyribonucleic: so better not to use it too often
20:24 Nardoxyribonucleic: But in Oni we do not have such a restriction
20:25 Regraz: OK! So simply color change makes maps harder?
20:25 Nardoxyribonucleic: make that individual pattern harder
20:25 Regraz: yea
20:25 Nardoxyribonucleic: and when they stack, the map becomes harder
20:28 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:24:846 - add d and 00:25:264 - add k ? This would sound interesting to play imo
20:29 Regraz: OK!
20:29 Regraz: Interesting xD
20:30 Regraz: By the way do there need to be breaks in Oni?
20:31 Nardoxyribonucleic: No definite requirement for 2/1 or longer breaks, but you may use them when the song pace becomes calm
20:32 Regraz: I see.
20:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: But bear in mind that we have relatively stricter requirements of rest moments in the lower difficulties :P
20:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: i.e. from Kantan to Muzukashii
20:33 Regraz: That's sure. This is really different from std xD
20:33 Regraz: New knowledge to me :D
20:33 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:29:164 - add d to cohere with 00:20:251 (37) - ?
20:34 Regraz: Certainly!
20:35 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:33:760 - and 00:34:178 - same as previous part
20:37 Regraz: Done!
20:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:35:292 - you may even add d here to follow the way you mapped at 00:34:456 -
20:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:37:521 - same as ^
20:38 Regraz: 00:37:521 (92) - I guess same here
20:38 Regraz: Yeah
20:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:42:256 (105) - could be a big note as in Futsuu
20:40 Regraz: Sure
20:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:43:092 (108) - changing this note to k would help emphasize the next big don
20:42 Regraz: Changed.
20:43 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:47:131 (124) - consider adding d here to enrich the rhythm?
20:44 Regraz: Sure.
20:45 Nardoxyribonucleic: there is also a nice percussion beat, so kdk would be nice
20:45 Regraz: Indeed. Guess in latter section there also need to be a change for consistency?
20:46 Nardoxyribonucleic: yeah.
20:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:52:284 (144) - although there is a stressed sound, it is pretty good to see that you avoided the finish
20:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: big note at the end of a 1/4 pattern may be allowed provided that the previous note is of opposite colour
20:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: but we generally avoid them for better playability
20:48 Regraz: Yep that's in the ranking criteria if I am not wrong ;w;
20:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: so just keep it as kkd and it'd be good
20:48 Regraz: OK :D
20:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:56:044 - and yeah you may add d here as well
20:49 Regraz: After those change already harder than Gen's Oni ;w;w; Is the spread still okay?
20:49 Regraz: Yeah
20:49 Regraz: Added
20:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: and 00:56:462 (161) - could be k as the vocal pitch becomes higher compared to 00:47:548 -
20:50 Regraz: Yep
20:50 Regraz: fixed
20:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: As a guest diff with same level of difficulty (Oni and Oni), there exists no particular order and it will not affect the spread
20:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: if it is Gen's Inner Oni, it will be a problem
20:51 Regraz: I see! :D
20:53 Nardoxyribonucleic: I think that would be all at this moment :3

Try to find few more mods to improve further, then you may call me back again~ :D
Mafumafu
Beatmap Nominator
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Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
Mafumafu
谢谢你这么好！耐心地讲了好多以前不了解的taiko mapping相关的知识！谢谢 >w<
Prophecy
1,794 posts
Joined December 2013
Prophecy
Thank you Nardo for helping this map >w<

Fixed Issue:

►Removed few 1/4 notes in non-kiai part
►Replaced 5 plets 1/2 pattern to 3 plets pattern
►Provided more breaks in non-kiai part
►Slightly changed the coloring in non-kiai part
►Rechecked kiai part for ddd/kkk with no dk/kd pattern
►Changed TimelineZoom from 0.6999999 to 0.7

Update:
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