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Daughter - New Ways

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sheela
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 2:54:32 PM

Artist: Daughter
Title: New Ways
Tags: Not To Disappear alternative pop rock sheela901
BPM: 113.7
Filesize: 14780kb
Play Time: 05:21
Difficulties Available:
  1. Desolation (3.35 stars, 921 notes)
  2. Hard (2.79 stars, 699 notes)
Download: Daughter - New Ways
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Weber
hi, mod here

Not just disappear

I would change the difficulty name to "Not Just Disappear" as it kinda looks awkward as is.

I would also changing the OD to 6/6.5, it's pretty difficult to get good acc on such a slow song.

I don't really agree with alot of the inconsistent/awkward spaced stacks here and there throughout the song:

Here are 3 examples of inconsistent spacing, notice the gap (or lack of) between the 2nd and 4th note in these 3 stacks:

http://puu.sh/mNJws/96f2d23443.jpg (Overlapping) 00:14:243 (2,4) -
http://puu.sh/mNJyE/42ad398268.jpg (Just Barely Touching) 00:16:354 (2,4) -
http://puu.sh/mNJBg/d09300c714.jpg (Gapped) 00:18:465 (2,4) -

I think for a map at this difficulty level, this inconsistency is off-putting and a little awkward.

02:36:589 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Same as above in terms of inconsistency.
02:42:262 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ^

01:15:192 (1,2,3,4) - Again, similar to the stacks during the beginning, but this one is alone, and comes out of nowhere almost, I would suggest changing this to match the patterns both before it, and after.

03:31:337 (1,1) - Try shortening these by 1/4th a beat. Sounds better imo
03:39:780 (1,1) - ^
03:48:223 (1,1) - ^
03:57:194 (1) - ^
04:05:110 (1,1) - ^
04:21:996 (1,1) - ^
04:30:439 (1,1) - ^
04:38:882 (1,1) - ^
04:55:768 (1,1) - ^
05:12:655 (1,1) - ^

04:43:104 (3,4,5,6) - Probably could be spaced a little more neatly.

Good luck!
Topic Starter
sheela

Tatsumaki wrote:

hi, mod here

Not just disappear

I would change the difficulty name to "Not Just Disappear" as it kinda looks awkward as is.

I would also changing the OD to 6/6.5, it's pretty difficult to get good acc on such a slow song.

I don't really agree with alot of the inconsistent/awkward spaced stacks here and there throughout the song:

Here are 3 examples of inconsistent spacing, notice the gap (or lack of) between the 2nd and 4th note in these 3 stacks:

http://puu.sh/mNJws/96f2d23443.jpg (Overlapping) 00:14:243 (2,4) -
http://puu.sh/mNJyE/42ad398268.jpg (Just Barely Touching) 00:16:354 (2,4) -
http://puu.sh/mNJBg/d09300c714.jpg (Gapped) 00:18:465 (2,4) -

I think for a map at this difficulty level, this inconsistency is off-putting and a little awkward.

02:36:589 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Same as above in terms of inconsistency.
02:42:262 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ^

01:15:192 (1,2,3,4) - Again, similar to the stacks during the beginning, but this one is alone, and comes out of nowhere almost, I would suggest changing this to match the patterns both before it, and after. I don't want to change this. This currently follows the drums very well, like in the beginning. I agree that this happens one time in this section, but sticking with constant distance doesn't go with what I want to follow.

03:31:337 (1,1) - Try shortening these by 1/4th a beat. Sounds better imo
03:39:780 (1,1) - ^
03:48:223 (1,1) - ^
03:57:194 (1) - ^ Maybe not this one. I want the players to hold their key until the crash. That makes it emphasized in my opinion.
04:05:110 (1,1) - ^
04:21:996 (1,1) - ^
04:30:439 (1,1) - ^
04:38:882 (1,1) - ^
04:55:768 (1,1) - ^
05:12:655 (1,1) - ^
Alll of above are applied. They do sound well. when I reduce their lengths.

04:43:104 (3,4,5,6) - Probably could be spaced a little more neatly. It is already neat from my point of view.

Good luck!
Thank you very much for the mod, Tatsumaki! Anything without comments are applied.
kunka
Hi~sheela-san(=゚ω゚)ノ
From random mod.

Not Just Disappear

  1. 00:20:575 (2) - Would you add whistle?
  2. 00:21:103 (4) - I recommend that I reduce distance according to consistency.
  3. 01:25:746 (1) - Would you add whistle to a tail?
  4. 01:42:632 (1) - Would you add whistle to a head and a tail?
  5. 02:03:212 (6) - Only this clap ignores the consistency. Do you need this?
  6. 02:36:457 (1) - Would you add clap?
  7. 02:45:428 (3,4,1) - Would you change hitsounds? (3)none,(4)whistle,(1)whistle
  8. 02:45:955 (1) - Would you add whistle?
  9. 02:48:594 (3,4) - I think that the whisle is not necessary. I feel a sound to be too strong.
  10. 02:50:177 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Would you change the same point? For example, it place (1) and (2) for the same point. And the next (1) and (2) place it for the different point. There place they by the same pattern afterward. In brief, two by two notes stack and recommend random placement.
  11. 03:18:673 (5) - NC?
  12. 05:15:821 (1) - Would you add whistle to a head?
  13. 05:17:932 (1) - ^ and Would you switch to drum of the sampleset on a tail? I hear the sound similar to the rimshot.
  14. 05:20:042 (1) - Would you add whistle to a head?
GL ;)
Topic Starter
sheela

kunkakunkakunkakunka wrote:

Hi~sheela-san(=゚ω゚)ノ
From random mod.

Not Just Disappear

  1. 00:20:575 (2) - Would you add whistle?
  2. 00:21:103 (4) - I recommend that I reduce distance according to consistency.
  3. 01:25:746 (1) - Would you add whistle to a tail?
  4. 01:42:632 (1) - Would you add whistle to a head and a tail?
  5. 02:03:212 (6) - Only this clap ignores the consistency. Do you need this?
  6. 02:36:457 (1) - Would you add clap?
  7. 02:45:428 (3,4,1) - Would you change hitsounds? (3)none,(4)whistle,(1)whistle
  8. 02:45:955 (1) - Would you add whistle?
  9. 02:48:594 (3,4) - I think that the whisle is not necessary. I feel a sound to be too strong. The drums are still here, but I lowered the volume to match with the sound of the beats.
  10. 02:50:177 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Would you change the same point? For example, it place (1) and (2) for the same point. And the next (1) and (2) place it for the different point. There place they by the same pattern afterward. In brief, two by two notes stack and recommend random placement.
  11. 03:18:673 (5) - NC?
  12. 05:15:821 (1) - Would you add whistle to a head?
  13. 05:17:932 (1) - ^ and Would you switch to drum of the sampleset on a tail? I hear the sound similar to the rimshot.
  14. 05:20:042 (1) - Would you add whistle to a head?
GL ;)
Thanks for the surprise mod, kunkakunkakunkakunka! Everything has been applied but only one with an alternative way.
Nerova Riuz GX
hi

  1. 00:20:312 (1,2,3,4) - omfg i like this idea, but i think (1) and (2) are too far. though it's obviously for emphasizing the drums, the distance is even longer than some notes in kiai. around 1.6x DS is enough imo.
  2. 00:24:533 (1) - ending on a blue tick feels really, really strange. First, there's no 1/4 notes in its context. of course you did decrease the volume, but it doesn't mean that spinner end is not there. it still exists. Second, if a spinner is too close to the note after itself, that note will become harder to read as usual. That's also why we usually set longer recovering time after a spinner in lower diffs.
  3. 00:28:227 (4,1) - honestly, i can't understand what is this long distance for. nothing intense here. maybe try this if you're interested.
  4. 00:37:989 - I feel like you can extend the slider to here. umm 3/2 long sliders is not that common, I think it can provide some calm feelings before the vocal starts. Also, for the consistency's sake (00:28:755 (1) - ), it can be good to extend that imo.
  5. 01:41:049 (3,4) - some little suggestion, you can Ctrl+G on this. the flow on 01:40:521 (1,2,3) - can be smooth, and can also drop a longer distance on 01:41:313 (4,5) - , similar as 01:47:381 (2,3) - . it can probably make a difference before the next vocal, too.
  6. 01:58:991 (7) - umm move it down for the flow maybe?
  7. 02:03:212 (6,7,8,1) - i've played this part for several times and I think this 1/6 is too hard to read. There are only two 1/6 streams in this map, they have similar spacing to 1/4 ones (because your SV is quite low), and it's quite rare so people are hard to notice that at the first sight. maybe you should reduce the spacing, and replace 02:03:476 - with a circle (4 notes can make it clearer).
  8. 02:48:066 (1,2,3,4) - maybe do something like this, which contains a direction change on (2), so the drums can be better specified.
  9. 02:50:045 - reduce volume?
  10. 03:21:839 (1) - im wondering why you didn't put it above the previous note. your move goes up on 03:20:520 (4,1) - , i think it can do the same thing here.
  11. 05:01:573 (2) - flip it with Ctrl+H? parallel feels not really good to me, I would like to change the angle if I was you xd
stuff in kiai is beautiful, flows good and consistent
also nice sliderart
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i think i just got a name of good artist
Topic Starter
sheela

Nerova Riuz GX wrote:

hi

  1. 00:20:312 (1,2,3,4) - omfg i like this idea, but i think (1) and (2) are too far. though it's obviously for emphasizing the drums, the distance is even longer than some notes in kiai. around 1.6x DS is enough imo. Okay.
  2. 00:24:533 (1) - ending on a blue tick feels really, really strange. First, there's no 1/4 notes in its context. of course you did decrease the volume, but it doesn't mean that spinner end is not there. it still exists. Second, if a spinner is too close to the note after itself, that note will become harder to read as usual. That's also why we usually set longer recovering time after a spinner in lower diffs. If I want to capture all the sound between 00:24:533 to 00:26:644 -, I would likely extend the spinner to the blue tick. The recovery time is pretty short I agree, but in my opinion, the players can manage to hit the following object since the BPM is a little slower. Although, if this point is brought up by the others, I will consider it.
  3. 00:28:227 (4,1) - honestly, i can't understand what is this long distance for. nothing intense here. maybe try this if you're interested. I went for aesthetic, but I guess I shouldn't. I have reduced the distance.
  4. 00:37:989 - I feel like you can extend the slider to here. umm 3/2 long sliders is not that common, I think it can provide some calm feelings before the vocal starts. Also, for the consistency's sake (00:28:755 (1) - ), it can be good to extend that imo. Seems like a good idea. Applied.
  5. 01:41:049 (3,4) - some little suggestion, you can Ctrl+G on this. the flow on 01:40:521 (1,2,3) - can be smooth, and can also drop a longer distance on 01:41:313 (4,5) - , similar as 01:47:381 (2,3) - . it can probably make a difference before the next vocal, too. Oh! Yes, the flow feels better that way. Switched the notes.
  6. 01:58:991 (7) - umm move it down for the flow maybe? Alright.
  7. 02:03:212 (6,7,8,1) - i've played this part for several times and I think this 1/6 is too hard to read. There are only two 1/6 streams in this map, they have similar spacing to 1/4 ones (because your SV is quite low), and it's quite rare so people are hard to notice that at the first sight. maybe you should reduce the spacing, and replace 02:03:476 - with a circle (4 notes can make it clearer). I agree. I hope this should be clearer.
  8. 02:48:066 (1,2,3,4) - maybe do something like this, which contains a direction change on (2), so the drums can be better specified. Okay.
  9. 02:50:045 - reduce volume? Yep.
  10. 03:21:839 (1) - im wondering why you didn't put it above the previous note. your move goes up on 03:20:520 (4,1) - , i think it can do the same thing here. No idea. Moved above the previous object.
  11. 05:01:573 (2) - flip it with Ctrl+H? parallel feels not really good to me, I would like to change the angle if I was you xd Alright, more for variety.
stuff in kiai is beautiful, flows good and consistent
also nice sliderart
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i think i just got a name of good artist
Thank you very much for the mod, Nerova Riuz GX! Practically everything was applied.
UndeadCapulet
From my queue:

Not Just Disappear

Uh... is ar8.5 really necessary? That seems really high imo, this is only bpm114 and the map is otherwise really slowly paced.

Intro could use some work. The larger jump patterns could also have that decreasing spacing effect added to them, since they're also mapped to echo sounds. Plus, doesn't 00:20:312 (1,2,3,4) - kinda conflict with the rest of your patterning?

00:37:198 (1,2) - Using the same spacing as 00:28:755 (1,2) - creates a nicer effect imo, compared to most of the clap emphasis this feels a lot weaker.
01:57:407 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Hmm. I guess I'm expecting a lot more emphasis here, these distances are pretty similar to the rest of the map. Imo this whole part should be spaced more, but at the very least, give a sharper angle to 01:58:463 (5,6,7) - .
04:30:967 (1) - Turn off kiai for this slider, so you get a fountain for the next one :D

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Welp, short mod, not much to say. Nice song :3
Topic Starter
sheela

UndeadCapulet wrote:

From my queue:

Not Just Disappear

Uh... is ar8.5 really necessary? That seems really high imo, this is only bpm114 and the map is otherwise really slowly paced. Reduced it to AR 8.

Intro could use some work. The larger jump patterns could also have that decreasing spacing effect added to them, since they're also mapped to echo sounds. Plus, doesn't 00:20:312 (1,2,3,4) - kinda conflict with the rest of your patterning? Some patterns have been re-arranged to fit with the echo. but not every pattern since they do have the decreasing spacing effect.

00:37:198 (1,2) - Using the same spacing as 00:28:755 (1,2) - creates a nicer effect imo, compared to most of the clap emphasis this feels a lot weaker. All right.
01:57:407 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Hmm. I guess I'm expecting a lot more emphasis here, these distances are pretty similar to the rest of the map. Imo this whole part should be spaced more, but at the very least, give a sharper angle to 01:58:463 (5,6,7) - . Tried my best to expand them more.
04:30:967 (1) - Turn off kiai for this slider, so you get a fountain for the next one :D yeee

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Welp, short mod, not much to say. Nice song :3
Thank you for the mod, UndeadCapulet!
Shad0w1and
General
AR too high imo, 7 works better, current is kinda like play a HRed map lol. at least 7.5 plz...no matter what you trying to do is a insane map. but tbh its difficulty is actually like a hard diff due to low bpm

03:50:334 (3,1) - blanket

really can't find anything wrong here, don't want break your style and give some shit inputs. This map is fine.
The only suggestion I can give is in your future maps, set SV higher, because even in kiai, this looks not pretty.. like 1.2sv will actually make this visually great. http://puu.sh/nkqkY/b067a5d7c0.jpg
Topic Starter
sheela

Shad0w1and wrote:

General
AR too high imo, 7 works better, current is kinda like play a HRed map lol. at least 7.5 plz...no matter what you trying to do is a insane map. but tbh its difficulty is actually like a hard diff due to low bpm Okay, I've lowered the AR to 7.5 to make it a little faster for the kiai part.

03:50:334 (3,1) - blanket Done.

really can't find anything wrong here, don't want break your style and give some shit inputs. This map is fine.
The only suggestion I can give is in your future maps, set SV higher, because even in kiai, this looks not pretty.. Lol why didn't I use that... At the same time I feel lazy to recalculate all the slider length manually. I will remember that.like 1.2sv will actually make this visually great. http://puu.sh/nkqkY/b067a5d7c0.jpg
Thank for the check, Shad0w1and!
Pappy
good luck, i wish i could throw a mod. at least have my stars.

Daughter is awesome artist <3
Topic Starter
sheela

Pappy wrote:

good luck, i wish i could throw a mod. at least have my stars.

Daughter is awesome artist <3
Thnak you for your stars, Pappy! I appreciate them!
Lefia
Sorry, i can't find any problem here. at least, i'll give you my stars.

GL~
Topic Starter
sheela

MadaoX wrote:

Sorry, i can't find any problem here. at least, i'll give you my stars.

GL~
No worries! Thank you for the star!
Nerova Riuz GX
go.
Shiirn
Suggestions
Major suggestions
Aesthetic suggestions
Unrankable issues

Not Just Disappear
Nazi

  1. The storyboard would be way cooler if it was layered with the background - like, the visualizer scaled over the circle thingy in the back.
  2. 00:27:963 (3,1) - Move 3 down a bit to fit blanket
  3. 00:35:087 (1,2) - These aren't actually parallel
  4. 01:12:026 (2,3,4,5,1) - slightly uneven on y axis, tilted like a degree clockwise. if intended, ignore
Everything Else

  1. 01:55:033 (6,1) - This is the first very major change in the music (the itnroduction of an instrument) and there isnt anything here that celebrates its arrival. Maybe a 1/4? Could ctrl+g 5+6 and have a 1/4 between 6 and 1.
  2. 02:03:476 (7,8,9,1) - There isn't really any noise here to warrant a 1/6, except the guitar trill, which isn't that big. Leave it at 1/4 imo. It's also like the onl 1/6 in the entire song
  3. 02:48:066 (1) - Normally at a new measure you have a large jump. This simply continues the shrink.
  4. 04:38:750 - This section has a lyric of "I just need it here". It's soft, but so is the later one of "I Need New Ways".
Topic Starter
sheela

Shiirn wrote:

Suggestions
Major suggestions
Aesthetic suggestions
Unrankable issues

Not Just Dissapear
omg you added two s instead of p nvm
Nazi

  1. The storyboard would be way cooler if it was layered with the background - like, the visualizer scaled over the circle thingy in the back.
  2. 00:27:963 (3,1) - Move 3 down a bit to fit blanket
  3. 00:35:087 (1,2) - These aren't actually parallel
  4. 01:12:026 (2,3,4,5,1) - slightly uneven on y axis, tilted like a degree clockwise. if intended, ignore Yeah, this is intended.
Everything Else

  1. 01:55:033 (6,1) - This is the first very major change in the music (the itnroduction of an instrument) and there isnt anything here that celebrates its arrival. Maybe a 1/4? Could ctrl+g 5+6 and have a 1/4 between 6 and 1.
  2. 02:03:476 (7,8,9,1) - There isn't really any noise here to warrant a 1/6, except the guitar trill, which isn't that big. Leave it at 1/4 imo. It's also like the onl 1/6 in the entire song My ears are failing me.
  3. 02:48:066 (1) - Normally at a new measure you have a large jump. This simply continues the shrink.
  4. 04:38:750 - This section has a lyric of "I just need it here". It's soft, but so is the later one of "I Need New Ways". The reason why I didn't add it is because the vocals are soft there, and it feels more out of the context, like it's apart from the lyrics. But I consider it because now, it is noticeable, and add it anyways.
Thank you for the mod, Shiirn!
polunochnik
Hellow! NM
Not just disappear
00:24:533 - make this spiner shorter. It should disappear before next slider appear.
  1. 02:53:343(2)
  2. 03:01:786(2)
    should be better if positions of this circles will change.
02:50:097(1) - should be better if this circle will follow sliders spacing. Put them under sliders.
04:28:856(5) - NC here?

Welps
03:27:907 (4,5,6,1) - this stream sudden! In addition, there is no reason to put it here and similar stream do not appear anywhere else.
01:55:033 - slider here should feels better.
01:49:492(2) - why this slider suddenly longer than others?
  1. 03:17:881
  2. 03:18:409
    why this spaces are empty? should be better put here circles.
  1. 03:43:210
  2. 03:26:324
    this empty space suddenly appears after triple circles. Should be better avoid that, like here 03:31:865(4).
General
It's a very good map, i really like it! Just try avoid sudden changes of spacing and it should become perfect!

I hope I could help!
Good luck! :)
Topic Starter
sheela

polunochnik wrote:

Hellow! NM
Not just disappear
00:24:533 - make this spiner shorter. It should disappear before next slider appear. All right. Another modder said the same, and I've been thinking about it.
  1. 02:53:343(2)
  2. 03:01:786(2)
    should be better if positions of this circles will change.
For what reason? I don't know why should I move the circles.

02:50:097(1) - should be better if this circle will follow sliders spacing. Put them under sliders. Yep. You're right.
04:28:856(5) - NC here? I don't think this is necessary since most of the time, the new combo is at the beginning of one measure.

Welps
03:27:907 (4,5,6,1) - this stream sudden! In addition, there is no reason to put it here and similar stream do not appear anywhere else. All right. I made it into a slider.
01:55:033 - slider here should feels better. Replaced the two first circles into a 1/4 slider.
01:49:492(2) - why this slider suddenly longer than others? Because this slider follows the guitar. Since this sound is long, I extended the slider until there's the drum, 01:50:020 (3) - .
  1. 03:17:881
  2. 03:18:409
    why this spaces are empty? should be better put here circles.
The drums are not noticeable there like before, if my hearing is correct, so I instead added empty spaces. I think it fits very well.
  1. 03:43:210
  2. 03:26:324
    this empty space suddenly appears after triple circles. Should be better avoid that, like here 03:31:865(4).
The players should understand the empty space here and there. The drum and the guitar have a "stopping" feeling, as if the instruments suddenly stop in other words. Because of that feeling, I decided to make empty spaces. I don't think they are hard to play.

General
It's a very good map, i really like it! Just try avoid sudden changes of spacing and it should become perfect!

I hope I could help!
Good luck! :)
Thank you for the mod, polunochnik!
Underforest
From my queue
I can't see any issues on your map, so no mod
gl
Topic Starter
sheela

Underforest wrote:

From my queue
I can't see any issues on your map, so no mod
gl
Oh okay. Thank you for checking!
Izzywing
Hey sheela! Here's the m4m from your queue~

First thing, this song is cool as hell. Thank you for introducing me to this.

[Difficult]

Something i'm noticing is that notes randomly seem to sound early compared to the song, but then this weird offset fixes itself immediatly after. Example: 01:49:492 (2,3) - 2 sounds slightly early and 3 is pretty much perfect.

00:24:533 (1) - Consider 00:25:852 - as a stopping point for this spinner; a distinct sound starts there, and I think it's better for the spinner to end on a sound than nothing (gives a more meaningful finish)

00:59:361 (2,3,4,5) - Consistent spacing doesn't really feel appropriate for this pattern, considering there's usually emphasis placed on a note.

01:05:693 (3,4,5,1) - You could set up this pattern so that the triangle that 3-4-5 makes is the same as the triangle 3-4-1 makes. Would look neater.

01:33:925 (5,1) - Hm, why the considerably smaller spacing than you usually do on downbeats here? Well, I suppose you continue to do it in this measure so I'll assume it's intentional

01:59:386 (8) - Looks like overmap, there's no sound here

02:01:101 (4) - It's weird that this gets more spacing than 02:01:629 (1) - considering 1 is the more powerful sound by far.

02:17:328 (3) - Been thinking about this, but consider giving the sounds mapped to the "woosh sound" (like the one linked here) some kind of hitsound.

02:19:307 (4,5) - Could be a triplet, would keep consistent with you putting a note at the woosh sound

02:22:605 - feels like overmap, but even if it's for emphasis there's nothing to emphasize.

02:40:678 (1) - Deserves some kind of hitsound I'd think

02:44:900 (1) - deserves more of a jump to be consistent with similar jumps in the area

02:49:122 (1,1) - first 1/4 in the diff and it uses the same spacing as the 1/2. I'd make these closer. Maybe use the spacing you use at 03:06:008 (2,1) -

That was a good drop.

03:29:226 (3) - This intense sound has less spacing than 03:29:754 (5) - which doesn't feel right to me

03:56:667 (1) - why NC?

04:21:996 (1) - Ok so I just started noticing that you've been NCing these and I'm kinda confused as to why

04:17:247 (2) - I don't like this extended slider, you're ignoring a vocal and and instrumental sound at 04:17:511 -

05:20:042 (1) - Amazing slider

[Distraction]

OD7? It is 3.86 stars and all. I think it would fit the diff better.

00:24:533 (1,1) - Personally not a huge fan of spinners that end 1/4 before the opening note, but I guess it fits here and for the difficulty.

00:31:393 (2) - silence end?
00:41:947 (2) - ^ You get the idea, I won't keep posting these.

01:29:440 (4,5) - is louder than 01:28:912 (2,3) - so I think it shouldn't have less spacing

01:26:010 (1,2) - blanket ~

01:45:798 (1) - remove NC?

01:51:075 (1,2) - Blanket, if you care to fix it. It's very slightly off.

Some of these triplets feel a lot like overmap, but considering you used them, there must have been a good reason for them, so I'm not going to point them out.

02:57:565 (2,1) - Hm, wouldn't this spacing fit to be the same as 02:49:122 (1,1) - ?

03:04:952 (1,2) - easily fixable blanket (pause at 03:05:612 - for approach circle)

03:28:171 - Should be clickable imo, slider into circle works well

03:25:796 (3,4,1) - inconsistent spacing, and it's weird because 03:25:928 (4) - has more spacing than the downbeat

03:31:865 (4) - NC
03:40:308 (4) - ^

in this area the combos are so short, they're like 3 or 4 long. You could probably extend the comboing to every downbeat, instead of twice per.

04:05:637 (4) - NC
04:47:853 (4) - ^

05:14:765 (3) - NC to be consistent
05:16:876 (3) - ^

Really fun set, I LOVE low SV / BPM jumps because they feel so fun to play. Good luck! Starred C:
Topic Starter
sheela

Hobbes2 wrote:

Hey sheela! Here's the m4m from your queue~

First thing, this song is cool as hell. Thank you for introducing me to this. yaaas

[Difficult]

Something i'm noticing is that notes randomly seem to sound early compared to the song, but then this weird offset fixes itself immediatly after. Example: 01:49:492 (2,3) - 2 sounds slightly early and 3 is pretty much perfect. Yes, that's true. I'll leave this to someone who is more proficient with timing to check the timing.

00:24:533 (1) - Consider 00:25:852 - as a stopping point for this spinner; a distinct sound starts there, and I think it's better for the spinner to end on a sound than nothing (gives a more meaningful finish) I want the spinner to capture all the sound during this part, before the guitar kicks in. Ending it in the middle sounds pretty weird, since the sound still continues until the slider.

00:59:361 (2,3,4,5) - Consistent spacing doesn't really feel appropriate for this pattern, considering there's usually emphasis placed on a note. Gradually lowered the spacing of 00:59:625 (3,4,5) - to create that fade-out effect to fit the song.

01:05:693 (3,4,5,1) - You could set up this pattern so that the triangle that 3-4-5 makes is the same as the triangle 3-4-1 makes. Would look neater. Unless my English is failing me, there wouldn't be much of a difference.

01:33:925 (5,1) - Hm, why the considerably smaller spacing than you usually do on downbeats here? Well, I suppose you continue to do it in this measure so I'll assume it's intentional This is mainly for fluidity in the movement since there's a circle rhythm before the sliders. Though I will consider this.

01:59:386 (8) - Looks like overmap, there's no sound here Removed this note and extended 01:58:991 (7) - to the blue tick, to get the guitar sou.d

02:01:101 (4) - It's weird that this gets more spacing than 02:01:629 (1) - considering 1 is the more powerful sound by far. Yep, definitely.

02:17:328 (3) - Been thinking about this, but consider giving the sounds mapped to the "woosh sound" (like the one linked here) some kind of hitsound. Hmm, I think I'm leaving this aside for now. I think it would sound like a mess to be honest.

02:19:307 (4,5) - Could be a triplet, would keep consistent with you putting a note at the woosh sound Yep.

02:22:605 - feels like overmap, but even if it's for emphasis there's nothing to emphasize. Removed.

02:40:678 (1) - Deserves some kind of hitsound I'd think Added a finish hitsound on the head, hoping it sounds okay.

02:44:900 (1) - deserves more of a jump to be consistent with similar jumps in the area All right.

02:49:122 (1,1) - first 1/4 in the diff and it uses the same spacing as the 1/2. I'd make these closer. Maybe use the spacing you use at 03:06:008 (2,1) - I brought it much closer.

That was a good drop.

03:29:226 (3) - This intense sound has less spacing than 03:29:754 (5) - which doesn't feel right to me Rearranged.

03:56:667 (1) - why NC?

04:21:996 (1) - Ok so I just started noticing that you've been NCing these and I'm kinda confused as to why Removed those NCs and on some similar objects.

04:17:247 (2) - I don't like this extended slider, you're ignoring a vocal and and instrumental sound at 04:17:511 - All right.

05:20:042 (1) - Amazing slider Thank you!

[Distraction]

OD7? It is 3.86 stars and all. I think it would fit the diff better. And it's the same as the previous difficulty. Changed.

00:24:533 (1,1) - Personally not a huge fan of spinners that end 1/4 before the opening note, but I guess it fits here and for the difficulty. Oops! I only did this for the Difficult. Retracted the spinner.

00:31:393 (2) - silence end?
00:41:947 (2) - ^ You get the idea, I won't keep posting these. Applied for the rest too.

01:29:440 (4,5) - is louder than 01:28:912 (2,3) - so I think it shouldn't have less spacing Applied.

01:26:010 (1,2) - blanket ~ Fixed ~

01:45:798 (1) - remove NC? Yes.

01:51:075 (1,2) - Blanket, if you care to fix it. It's very slightly off. How do people spot off-blankets?

Some of these triplets feel a lot like overmap, but considering you used them, there must have been a good reason for them, so I'm not going to point them out. Some triplets follow the guitar. So the middle circle is here to support the slide in the guitar, when playing one note to the other.

02:57:565 (2,1) - Hm, wouldn't this spacing fit to be the same as 02:49:122 (1,1) - ? Yep yep.

03:04:952 (1,2) - easily fixable blanket (pause at 03:05:612 - for approach circle) Okay.

03:28:171 - Should be clickable imo, slider into circle works well Done.

03:25:796 (3,4,1) - inconsistent spacing, and it's weird because 03:25:928 (4) - has more spacing than the downbeat Did it reversely.

03:31:865 (4) - NC
03:40:308 (4) - ^ Added for both.

in this area the combos are so short, they're like 3 or 4 long. You could probably extend the comboing to every downbeat, instead of twice per. Done.

04:05:637 (4) - NC
04:47:853 (4) - ^ Applied for both.

05:14:765 (3) - NC to be consistent
05:16:876 (3) - ^ Applied for both.

Really fun set, I LOVE low SV / BPM jumps because they feel so fun to play. Good luck! Starred C:
Thank you for your mod and star, Hobbes2! It was really helpful!
Plaudible
M4M from your queue, not sure how much help I can be being a newb mapper and all but I'll do my best~
Really sorry about the late mod, finally the weekend!

Liked the song, then the kiai hit, oh my goodness. Added to playlist right away LOL

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Daughter - New Ways


Difficult

  • 00:13:715 (4) - I feel this note should be closer to 00:13:979 (1). It has that chill sound to it, if that makes sense, compared to the rest of the drum section when it's alternating from emphasized to more mellow beats. To emphasize that it's chill by reducing the spacing would improve this. I'd still not space it as close though to still emphasize the downbeat.
    00:17:937 (4) - ^
    00:14:243 (2,3,4,3) - Not a big fan of this overlap, maybe put 3 so it's blanketed by the 3 singles? :O
    00:52:501 (2) - Ahh, sorry to be that guy (hate blanket mods >_<), for the blanket though I think the last slider point could be better at x384 y136
    02:18:515 (1,2,2) - Feel this could be more consistently stacked, I do like how 02:19:834 (2,2) are layered on, maybe add 1 on top so they're all similar like: http://puu.sh/qPzj3/b916bd2da0.jpg
    02:50:177 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - I like how you decreased the spacing amongst these as you went along, I feel doing the same at 02:58:620 (1,2,1,2,1,2) will help for consistency and will match the song better :)
    03:58:250 (2,3) - The shape here could be blanketed, though not by adjusting the shape of the slider. Maybe just make it so the end of 3 points into 2.
    04:24:898 (4,5,1) - Double check this blanket, 04:24:634 is a good reference point with the slider circle to fix
    04:29:384 (1) - T_T I'm srry, hate doing blanket mods, just needs to be moved right a bit. x92 y120 seemed to do the trick!

    Don't have much else to say, kiai is well mapped!

Distraction

  • 00:13:715 (4) - Gonna point these out in case you decide to change them, ignore if you chose not to!
    00:17:937 (4) - ^
    02:52:288 (1,2,1,2) - Just an idea, would be cool if you could adjust the SV and decrease it slightly each time here :) the melody sort of "slows" down so it'd be a neat way to integrate that into the map.
    03:00:731 (1,2,1,2) - ^
Aah that was super short, sorry! Wish I had more to say. Gonna shoot some stars, good luck \:D/
Topic Starter
sheela

Plaudible wrote:

M4M from your queue, not sure how much help I can be being a newb mapper and all but I'll do my best~
Really sorry about the late mod, finally the weekend!

Liked the song, then the kiai hit, oh my goodness. Added to playlist right away LOL same lol

____________________

Daughter - New Ways


Difficult

  • 00:13:715 (4) - I feel this note should be closer to 00:13:979 (1). It has that chill sound to it, if that makes sense, compared to the rest of the drum section when it's alternating from emphasized to more mellow beats. To emphasize that it's chill by reducing the spacing would improve this. I'd still not space it as close though to still emphasize the downbeat. I could reduce the distance to make a fade-out effect and follow that "chill" sound, but the drum covers it much, that sound is too faint to follow in my opinion. The drum is also played unexpectedly, so it would be best to make the players to notice it. If I were to play it with a smaller distance, while I didn't know sudden drum beat, it won't feel fitting.
    00:17:937 (4) - ^ Same reason as above.
    00:14:243 (2,3,4,3) - Not a big fan of this overlap, maybe put 3 so it's blanketed by the 3 singles? :O Should be better now.
    00:52:501 (2) - Ahh, sorry to be that guy (hate blanket mods >_<), for the blanket though I think the last slider point could be better at x384 y136 I honestly don't know how people can find mini off-blankets.
    02:18:515 (1,2,2) - Feel this could be more consistently stacked, I do like how 02:19:834 (2,2) are layered on, maybe add 1 on top so they're all similar like: http://puu.sh/qPzj3/b916bd2da0.jpg Not apparent in-game play, but sure.
    02:50:177 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - I like how you decreased the spacing amongst these as you went along, I feel doing the same at 02:58:620 (1,2,1,2,1,2) will help for consistency and will match the song better :) loool that wasn't my intention originally. I would just place it where I would want. But now you've mention, it's actually a really nice idea!
    03:58:250 (2,3) - The shape here could be blanketed, though not by adjusting the shape of the slider. Maybe just make it so the end of 3 points into 2. Yeah, I moved the slider (3) downwards without changing any shapes.
    04:24:898 (4,5,1) - Double check this blanket, 04:24:634 is a good reference point with the slider circle to fix I'm really curious...
    04:29:384 (1) - T_T I'm srry, hate doing blanket mods, just needs to be moved right a bit. x92 y120 seemed to do the trick! Okay.

    Don't have much else to say, kiai is well mapped! yey

    Aside from this mod, the constant hitcircle rhythm that began on 03:17:617 - is now 1/1 rhythm. Like in the difficulty Distraction, this part sounds like it needs a stop, possibly because of the guitar and the drum doesn't sound like if it were there. Also 03:20:783 (1,2,3,4) - I changed the way to have to move through these objects, to not repeat the same flow as 03:19:728 (1,2,3,4) -.

Distraction

  • 00:13:715 (4) - Gonna point these out in case you decide to change them, ignore if you chose not to! Same reason as in Difficult.
    00:17:937 (4) - ^ ^
    02:52:288 (1,2,1,2) - Just an idea, would be cool if you could adjust the SV and decrease it slightly each time here :) the melody sort of "slows" down so it'd be a neat way to integrate that into the map. It's really a good idea! Slowing the sliders gradually fits very well with this part of the music.
    03:00:731 (1,2,1,2) - ^ These too.
Aah that was super short, sorry! Wish I had more to say. Gonna shoot some stars, good luck \:D/
Thank you very much for the mod and the stars, Plaudible!
Izzywing
Months later, I return
sb\blur.jpg is unused

top diff - 03:27:907 (6) - not entirely sure but I think this should be snapped as a 3/16 reverse slider, sounds a lot more accurate imo. Altho it could just be that the instrument itself IS in 1/3 but is offset from the rest of the song. not sure.

Nothing else to point out from me, couldn't find issues with the SB either so poke me for bub
Topic Starter
sheela
@Hobbes2: the guitar does seem to sound accurately on 3/16 snap, so changed the slider to both diffs. and blur.jpg is deleted. thx
Izzywing
cool
Bonsai
whoa, that reminds me that you asked me to time some other Daughter-song years ago and I completely forgot about that and you never reminded me lol

can I make up for that by offering my services as T2-BN here? 8-)
Topic Starter
sheela

Bonsai wrote:

whoa, that reminds me that you asked me to time some other Daughter-song years ago and I completely forgot about that and you never reminded me lol

can I make up for that by offering my services as T2-BN here? 8-)
that would be lovely
Bonsai
whee

General
  1. Timing: Pretty much every note in the first few sections sounds too late, as well as for example all 1st and 3rd white ticks at 02:50:208 while all of that sounds mostly correct at the very end, so instead of using those arbitrary .002 BPM I'd rather suggest to use flat 113.7 BPM and move the whole offset -6ms instead (->1337 holy shit l33t, cancels out the 'loss' of the flattened BPM) to make it more balanced throughout the song
  2. The placement of the SB-lyrics seems odd to me since it cuts into the circle-thingy in the BG and isn't centered to it either, instead of just simply putting them right in the middle I'd rather suggest moving it a bit to the right and up so it doesn't cut the circle and is centered to it
  3. I feel like most of your custom hitsound-additions are rather quiet in comparison to the soft-hitnormal and barely audible in general, imo they could use some amplification in order to make it more balanced, in a lot of spots I really felt like there weren't any additions bc the hitnormal was the only sound audible
  4. Just a matter of taste, but I personally dislike it when a set only has so few difficulties and doesn't have diffnames that harmonize with each other at all - The lower one is an adjective that seems to describe the diffulty-level in this game, while the higher one is a noun that is related to the song's lyrics. So while those are already completely different in those two aspects, it also feels weird to me that "Distraction" is something the singer seems to desire, it would make her life easier, yet it is the more difficult one of the two diffs, that just doesn't seem right to me.
    I've tried finding two custom diffnames that relate to each other more for a few mintues rn and couldn't come up with some, but if you agree with what I just wrote I'll happily continue thinking about it, or ask some other people for ideas.
Distraction
  1. 00:11:897 (1) - 00:16:119 (1) - Have you considered not NCing those, since there isn't any strong beat on them and pattern-wise they are just continuing the previous combo too?
  2. 00:13:744 (4) - 00:17:966 (4) - Why don't you put these notes into the upcoming combo and pattern? Musically everything would suggest to do that, you did it with the hitsounding too, so not following it with NC & patterning seems a bit ignorant, your patterning is already doing groups of 8 too instead of just 4s, and with my previous point the NCing would do more than just 4s too, so I think you could follow it here too then o: Also basically the opposite for 00:20:340 (1) where the NC (& new pattern) would seem more fitting one note later
    These two points apply to the lower diff in a similar manner~
  3. 00:31:422 (2,3) - Why are you doing these extended 3/4-sliders every now and then instead of just 1/2s and 1/1s like most of the time? I mean you're starting this whole section with having that beat on a tail at 00:27:727 which is fitting very nicely, and the other spots where you just do 1/2-sliders or -circles throughout fit nicely too obviously, I see no need for these 3/4s, they feel very forced to me :/
  4. 00:58:597 - 01:11:262 - 01:32:370 - The sounds on these tails are so quiet in the song that the hitsounds seem a bit, uh, 'disruptive', I'd personally prefer if the hitsound-volume was lowered for those, or even using 1/1-sliders there instead of the 1/2s
  5. 01:59:283 (4,5,1) - Since you're changing SV here the triplet isn't spaced equally, looks somewhat off and doesn't seem on purpose :P
  6. 01:59:546 - What really puts me off in this whole section that it isn't very recognizable what all those filler-1/2s are mapped to since most of the time the only thing audible is the soft-hitnormal, I'd really love you to add some more of the additional hitsounds from SC:1 again in order to give all of those notes a "meaning", right now it kinda feels like "there's a lot of general noise in the song and I am clicking the metronome to it" instead of following something in the song :(
    A spot where I feel like that's the most extreme is 02:33:320 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3) where the whole song seems to get calmer but the maps continues to go as usual, feels overdone to me.
    Also applies to lower diff ofc
  7. 03:52:474 (4,5) - 03:56:695 (5,6) - 04:30:468 (5,6) - 04:47:354 (5,6) - 05:04:504 (6) - These spacings seem overdone to me, iirc for many of them the note after the strong beat got higher spacing than the strong beat, and at the last timestamp I feel like 05:03:977 (4) deserves the emphasis that (6) currently got, currently it got basically the same as (2) and (3) which doesn't seem right
    Also 04:13:582 (1,2,3,4,1) just seems waaaay overdone in general, along with 04:30:468 (5,6) and 04:47:354 (5,6) these three spots seem like massive difficulty-spikes and I don't see that being reasonable, there are ways to emphasize whatever you wanna emphasize without it getting much more difficult than the rest of the map, please try to make that more balanced :|
  8. 03:59:598 (7,8,1) - Are these non-linear on purpose?
  9. 03:32:289 - Don't you wanna silence all of those overmapped tails? o: Applies to lower diff too
  10. 04:39:439 (1) - What's this NC for?
  11. 05:13:738 - NCing in this outro-section seems messed up to me, 05:14:794 (3) vs 05:16:905 (1) and 05:15:586 (1) vs 05:17:697 (4) seem randomly inconsistent
  12. 05:20:071 (1,2,3) - To follow this more accurately I'd suggest this rhythm or alternatively this one because on full speed that sound sounds closer to 05:20:598 instead of the blue tick afterwards and it makes more sense rhythmically too, and doesn't suddenly introduce a brand new rhythm that might throw players off at the very end of the map lol

Difficult
  1. 00:10:842 (1,2,3,4,1) - This is spaced exactly as much as in the higher diff, wth
  2. 00:24:562 (1,1) - Since this diff is lower than the other one, I feel like you should also treat it like a lower diff and leave more spinner-recovery-time, it mostly feels like a Hard which would require one whole beat. For the same reason I'd also leave a buffer at 03:28:133 by removing the last reverse.
  3. 00:28:784 (1) and 00:37:227 (1) - What are these tails supposed to be mapping, why are they not ending on the white tick instead, where an actually strong sound is? From 00:43:558 on you are never ignoring that white tick and instead leave 1/1-gaps or do 1/1-slider-reverses, why not do that at the beginning too?
  4. 00:34:588 (4) - 01:24:719 (4) - There's neither guitars nor vocals here, why are these sliders?
  5. 01:55:062 (6,7) - I liked this much better as a 1/4-slider like in the higher diff, why not use that here too?
  6. 02:11:684 (5,6) - This jump feels completely overdone to me, is there anything special about (6)?
  7. 03:31:762 (5,1,1) - I haven't paid much attention to the colours, but having the same time right before and after that one slider seems weird lol, and right after that combo the green colour occurs again too
    Also 03:57:223 (1,1,2,3,4,1) -
    idk why you apparently colorhaxed way different to the higher diff, but in this diff there is an astonishing lot of green and the neighboring violets, but not much of the other colours, in the higher diff it seems much more balanced, maybe look into that yourself
  8. 04:30:468 (1,1,1) - Having so many single-object-combos right after each other makes them loose their meaning & effect, I'd advise to just make a regular 1/2-slider out of the first one to avoid that, you didn't do that in the higher diff either
  9. 04:38:911 (1) - 04:55:797 (1) - 05:12:684 (1) - NC seems unnecessary
  10. 05:20:598 - The bumps in the slider seem way too late, if you move the whole slider earlier by one red tick it fits perfectly, so please fix that in whatever way possible, for me the accurate version of the currently shape would look like this
  11. To be honest, I don't really see the point of this difficulty overall. It uses exactly the same gameplay-elements as the higher one, the same DS, it got quite the jump-chains like 01:57:964 (3,4,5,6,7,1) - 04:46:827 (2,3,4,5,1) - 05:03:977 (3,4,5,1,1) but simply not as many and not quite as largely spaced, but in my experience from playing through both diffs the lower one didn't really feel much easier at all, in some ways it felt more weird to play since the flow is very uncomfortable at a lot of spots but it was very consistent so I didn't really point it out,..
    I don't really know what point I'm trying to make here myself so sorry for ranting a bit, I just don't see how the lower difficulty contributes anything to this set, I feel like it is currently targeted at almost exactly the same playerbase, while it could've been much more friendlier to players who really have problems with the higher diff by not using jumps in the same excessive manner but only using them occasionally to highlight something specific - Basically, I expected the lower diff to be a Hard, but it doesn't feel like a Hard at all, it feels exactly like the higher diff but with a bit less spacing and shorter jump-chains, but still having relatively big spacing and short jump-chains and using quite challenging flow a lot of times (whereas flow didn't matter much in the higher diff since it was just jumps anyways).
    I guess it's too late to critize it at this point in the ranking process so sorry again, I just wanted to get it out of my head, and maybe you can consider this aspect of 'game-design' for your future sets :/
Topic Starter
sheela
@Bonsai: thx very much for the mod; i applied everything except for maybe one-two suggestions (i lose my reply with the comments). still haven't changed the difficulty names, but i was thinking of "Unavoidable" and "Desolation", or "Distraction" for the low diff and one of the mentioned the top diff. Difficult is also "remapped" (just reduced the spacing) to make it play as a Hard diff, and the really high jumps are nerfed in the top diff.
Izzywing
low diff -

03:27:933 (6) - should be 1/6

high diff -

03:27:933 (7) - should also be 1/6

Overall the changes seem fine to me. Not much to specifically point out. While usually I'd ask for more mods on the lower diff the 'remap' was just lowered spacing so the core design of the diff isn't really changed.
Topic Starter
sheela
@Hobbes2: yep that's updated
Izzywing
yep
Net0
Congratz, pretty nice song
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