pishifat wrote:
hello i am a new mod Mod, not modder.
mat's hard Mat................ At least you put 1 t in my name.
01:17:207 (1) - not understanding the halving volume here when like 01:28:116 (1) - is the same thing without the weird voluem change Removed it. I wanted to have that so I could emphasize the vocals and keep the rhythm going at the same time.
01:34:934 (1) - 01:35:786 (1) - similarly weird how these don't follow the same logic with sv changes. like they're both after the hype part stopped yet first one is just as fast as chorus and second is half its speed. both being lower is sense It reflects the music. So first slider has 0.8 and the 2nd slider still has 0.6. Gives the impression of slowing down.
i see that it was said before, but hitsounding wise some things sound kinda gross.I assume you mean harsh i'd say the body whistles are fine, but the default claps at 00:14:480 - would clash with the song a lot less with another hitsound sample. Actually I had a softhitclap but it was removed since Automod reported it not being used. It is weird
similarly, the later normal sampleset stuff really overpowers the song and would kinda be better with a different hitnormal (like even replacing the hitnormal with the default drum/soft ones would be better) Chose a different one
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A nice chat with Pishifat, clearing some stuff up
14:16 RVMathew: Hello Pishifat. I just have some queries about your mod on the Hana - Majick map
14:16 pishifat: hisup
14:16 RVMathew: 01:17:207 (1) - not understanding the halving volume here when like 01:28:116 (1) - is the same thing without the weird voluem change
14:17 RVMathew: For the first part, it was to emphasize the vocals
14:17 RVMathew: while still following the rhythm at the same. So I assume the volume change did not work
14:17 pishifat: i didnt really see that intention yea
14:18 pishifat: just looked more like you forgot to do it the second time or the first one was unintentional
14:18 RVMathew: Do you think that the volume change works
14:18 RVMathew: or is it a thing that is bound to go wrong
14:19 RVMathew: I mean I am planning to remove the volume, but overall would changing volume at a time like this be a technical error as such
14:20 pishifat: i wouldnt think so, it's just something that people usually wouldn't do
14:21 pishifat: if it were inconsistent with the other thing though
14:21 pishifat: id think of it as an error, yea
14:21 pishifat: since they're kind of the same thing
14:22 RVMathew: Ok. Another thing you wrote is: similarly, the later normal sampleset stuff really overpowers the song and would kinda be better with a different hitnormal (like even replacing the hitnormal with the default drum/soft ones would be better)
14:22 RVMathew: I thought that in the kiai zone, the hitnormal makes sense, as it gives a sense of the song being really powerful
14:23 RVMathew: I did reduce the volume to around 75%, down from 90% to compensate for the loudness, but I assume you think that would not solve the problem entirely?
14:24 pishifat: a really subjective thing here lol
14:24 pishifat: most people avoid using normal sampleset for songs like these just because of um
14:24 pishifat: what i said pretty much
14:25 pishifat: and go for another hitnormal
14:25 pishifat: just beacuse of how painfully loud it is
14:25 pishifat: that was my initial thought at least, then after reading the thread it looked like some guys agreed with me there
14:25 pishifat: so i thought "yeah i should probably mention it"
14:26 RVMathew: I think then that was because I put the stuff at 90%.
14:27 RVMathew: so they were modding at the time it was at 90%, so I understand why they would say it was loud. Also another modder around page 4 said that the hitsounds were a bit loud, so I forced up the volume with audacity.
14:27 pishifat: that could be it
14:28 RVMathew: So I will sort that out.
14:28 RVMathew: One more thing regarding this map:
14:28 RVMathew: this was written by fuyuyuuyuyuuyuy
14:28 RVMathew: 1.92(1.6x1.2) SV is higher than Kissies(1.82)/my(1.75) Insane, idk is this problem pointed out before, but I highly recommended to use x1.1(1.76) SV...
14:28 RVMathew: and he said that to begin with, SV in chorus isn't suitable for non-insanes/
14:29 pishifat: when i want to use a sampleset more powerful than soft/drum stuff i use https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/751 ... normal.wav since it's like midway between drum and normal
14:29 pishifat: considering there's an easier hard already
14:29 pishifat: that shouldnt really be an issue
14:30 pishifat: if yours were the only hard though it would be more of a concern about the jump from normal's sv to hard's
14:30 pishifat: but that doesnt matter here so ya
14:30 RVMathew: Oh I see.
14:30 RVMathew: I will check out that hitsound thing now.
14:31 RVMathew: So thanks a lot for clearing this up.
14:16 pishifat: hisup
14:16 RVMathew: 01:17:207 (1) - not understanding the halving volume here when like 01:28:116 (1) - is the same thing without the weird voluem change
14:17 RVMathew: For the first part, it was to emphasize the vocals
14:17 RVMathew: while still following the rhythm at the same. So I assume the volume change did not work
14:17 pishifat: i didnt really see that intention yea
14:18 pishifat: just looked more like you forgot to do it the second time or the first one was unintentional
14:18 RVMathew: Do you think that the volume change works
14:18 RVMathew: or is it a thing that is bound to go wrong
14:19 RVMathew: I mean I am planning to remove the volume, but overall would changing volume at a time like this be a technical error as such
14:20 pishifat: i wouldnt think so, it's just something that people usually wouldn't do
14:21 pishifat: if it were inconsistent with the other thing though
14:21 pishifat: id think of it as an error, yea
14:21 pishifat: since they're kind of the same thing
14:22 RVMathew: Ok. Another thing you wrote is: similarly, the later normal sampleset stuff really overpowers the song and would kinda be better with a different hitnormal (like even replacing the hitnormal with the default drum/soft ones would be better)
14:22 RVMathew: I thought that in the kiai zone, the hitnormal makes sense, as it gives a sense of the song being really powerful
14:23 RVMathew: I did reduce the volume to around 75%, down from 90% to compensate for the loudness, but I assume you think that would not solve the problem entirely?
14:24 pishifat: a really subjective thing here lol
14:24 pishifat: most people avoid using normal sampleset for songs like these just because of um
14:24 pishifat: what i said pretty much
14:25 pishifat: and go for another hitnormal
14:25 pishifat: just beacuse of how painfully loud it is
14:25 pishifat: that was my initial thought at least, then after reading the thread it looked like some guys agreed with me there
14:25 pishifat: so i thought "yeah i should probably mention it"
14:26 RVMathew: I think then that was because I put the stuff at 90%.
14:27 RVMathew: so they were modding at the time it was at 90%, so I understand why they would say it was loud. Also another modder around page 4 said that the hitsounds were a bit loud, so I forced up the volume with audacity.
14:27 pishifat: that could be it
14:28 RVMathew: So I will sort that out.
14:28 RVMathew: One more thing regarding this map:
14:28 RVMathew: this was written by fuyuyuuyuyuuyuy
14:28 RVMathew: 1.92(1.6x1.2) SV is higher than Kissies(1.82)/my(1.75) Insane, idk is this problem pointed out before, but I highly recommended to use x1.1(1.76) SV...
14:28 RVMathew: and he said that to begin with, SV in chorus isn't suitable for non-insanes/
14:29 pishifat: when i want to use a sampleset more powerful than soft/drum stuff i use https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/751 ... normal.wav since it's like midway between drum and normal
14:29 pishifat: considering there's an easier hard already
14:29 pishifat: that shouldnt really be an issue
14:30 pishifat: if yours were the only hard though it would be more of a concern about the jump from normal's sv to hard's
14:30 pishifat: but that doesnt matter here so ya
14:30 RVMathew: Oh I see.
14:30 RVMathew: I will check out that hitsound thing now.
14:31 RVMathew: So thanks a lot for clearing this up.
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New hitsounds to be added:
Softhitclap: http://puu.sh/mODiK/a05930026b.wav
Normalhitnormal: http://puu.sh/mODkv/b16835e72a.wav
fuyuyu- wrote:
@RVMathew your diff isn't bad, but I'm worried about the chorus' SV,
1.92(1.6x1.2) SV is higher than Kissies(1.82)/my(1.75) Insane, idk is this problem pointed out before, but I highly recommended to use x1.1(1.76) SV...
to begin with increase SV in chorus isn't suitable for non-Insane/Extra lol ..................................... You may need to revise that statement; if that is the case, what is the point of kiai?
The 1.92 thing is done because it gives a huge contrast in speed. If you look at that chat between Pishifat and I this is fine and should not pose a problem. In another way the change in SV is a gateway to the Insanes; prepares you for the next challenge.
You do poke a lot of holes but I do understand where you are coming from. Unfortunately as I can map only with distance snap, I have to compensate for that with changes in terms of SV, hitsounding and very good rhythm to remain competitive here (I let the rhythm do the talking). That is also why whenever I have hard difficulties, I split them with hard-, hard, hard+; it is the maximum I can do.
BetaStar wrote:
i was just trying to avoid these kind of comments when this mapset actually get ranked
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/166277 (This was 150BPM)
if you think, ar9 is fine... then go for it
As long as we have justified everything we should be fine.