I think a toggle option would be the best option for this dilemma.
While I never play flashlight, this seems like a good solution if it's really annoying. As for HD without FL: that's perfectly playable and should stay unchangedFatfan Kolek wrote:
A toggle option when flashlight is active would probably the most human thing to us
Bye Osu! You will not be missedBeMoNcHiK wrote:
Bye HDFL mode...
This is the main reason i support this, but all this fl being underrated stuff is also correct. Take my star (in some hours).Wilken-nyan wrote:
Like previously said, it's just really fucking stupid to change a mods mechanic after such a long fucking time. ESPECIALLY one that is already working as it is.
This is funny, because you have no #1s, let alone with HDFL.Baraatje123 wrote:
Most, if not every slider is easily followable with this, even with Fl on
You just need to get used to it
#1s mean nothing.Fey wrote:
This is funny, because you have no #1s, let alone with HDFL.Baraatje123 wrote:
Most, if not every slider is easily followable with this, even with Fl on
You just need to get used to it
Someone doesn't play HDFL...Baraatje123 wrote:
I now disagree with this
I haven't played hidden in a while, and decided to play it now
I really like it, it gives much more readability to sliderstacks, making previously awful to play stacks quite readable now
These are also the case with Fl
If you just have bright Sliderbody or Sliderborder in your skin, you have 0 readability problems at all
Most, if not every slider is easily followable with this, even with Fl on
You just need to get used to it
This is the most retarded thing I've read all week. If you have no experience with something AND NO KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER, then could you please just stay quiet. Like you don't even play FL and try to justify the hidden sliders.Kayla wrote:
I'm sorry, when you clicked Flashlight and wanted to 4 mod normals, did you expect it to be easy?
Honestly HD on top of FL is just memorization, so whats the problem 'reading' HD FL when all you do is memorize it anyway?
I'm part of the more than likely small group of people who think FL is a complete joke. It removes readability from maps and turns it into a memory game. FL should be for bragging rights. It should have no multiplier at all.
Neither does anything you or that other guy said.Baraatje123 wrote:
Can you please stop raging if people disagree with something you agree with?
Everyone is allowed to have a meaning right?
It doesn't support the thread at all
It actually makes it more likely to be shut down completely and be locked
- Make this new change to the sliders not apply when you do have the Flashlight mod applied while playing a beatmap. This would mean that the players who like to fight for #1 scores still are able to fight against scores completed using the same conditions and those who aren't using Flashlight can happily use the new changes making it easier to see "Hidden notes" to their advantage (even though I still stand here with the fact that everyone should be achieving their scores using the same conditions, both scores done in the past and scores being done from now on should be done using the same conditions in my opinion).
HDFL can either be entirely memorized, or you can sightread some easy parts of it. Removing the readability of HDFL will make it harder for some, sometimes much harder, such as on [http://osu.ppy.sh/s/874 NicoVideo - Kona-Chan: Farucon Pan! (sm2164009)]. Once you play FL or HDFL a lot you will see how sometimes you can sightread maps on FL.Kayla wrote:
I'm sorry, when you clicked Flashlight and wanted to 4 mod normals, did you expect it to be easy?
Honestly HD on top of FL is just memorization, so whats the problem 'reading' HD FL when all you do is memorize it anyway?
Kayla wrote:
I'm part of the more than likely small group of people who think FL is a complete joke. It removes readability from maps and turns it into a memory game. FL should be for bragging rights. It should have no multiplier at all.
There are two ways to know how to click notes in the game: reading and memorization. I use both, even without flashlight. I can't read ar10 so I memorize the map, I sometimes memorize hidden, heck I sometimes memorize nomod. Reading and memorization both take skill, and just saying memorization is not part of osu! is not correct.Kayla wrote:
FL should have no multiplier because FL turns osu! into a memory game.
Making new scores easier to set is pretty bad already, now make new scores harder to set is even worse. Flashlight is a mod that will become dead in the future. This is what is happening to HDFL right now.Kayla wrote:
If ar 9 + DT was changed to ar 11 that would be completely ludicrous because it would mean before the change people have recieved scores which were dramatically easier. It was gimped. The HD change makes readability easier.
This is just an insult to people who try their best to get #1 scores. Go ahead and try getting a 4mod #1 score on a easy/normal map, it is much harder than you might think without practice. osu! is about having skill, and getting #1 scores is a skill. If spinning takes no skill, why do spinners exist in this game? Also remember the five digit players that try to play easy/normal maps with fullmod might not find it as easy as us.Kayla wrote:
Nobody cares about 4 mods in normals and easys. Playing 4 mod and outspinning people to get top score on a disgustingly easy map is ludicrous and making it harder should not be a problem.
Skill range varies among all players. Just because you can pass a song does not mean others can.Kayla wrote:
Play songs in your skill range and get better instead of adding mods and farming score in a difficulty bracket meant for new players?
It would be much more convenient to just toggle on or off, as some skins are made for aesthetics rather than readability. Nowdays people like to use skins to improve their gameplay, but some don't. I use skins for both aesthetics and readability, and brightening the sliders will sacrifice aesthetics for readability. This is already the case in the newest version where peppy is trying to force sausage sliders down our throats. Some people just don't like the look of those sliders while others do.Baraatje123 wrote:
If you just have bright Sliderbody or Sliderborder in your skin, you have 0 readability problems at all
Most, if not every slider is easily followable with this, even with Fl on
Trust me, it's not.Baraatje123 wrote:
Though I still think Fl (and 4-modding) is like 99.9% memory.
Oh man this comment was great. HD can also be played by memorization, so does that mean we should remove the multiplier for HD too? lmaoKayla wrote:
FL should have no multiplier because FL turns osu! into a memory game.
If it was 99.9% memory that would mean that, statistically, the majority of maps don't even have a single note in them that you read.Baraatje123 wrote:
Though I still think Fl (and 4-modding) is like 99.9% memory, thus the sliders are to be remembered as well
I completely agree that this needs to be thought about some more. Soweon pointed out the issue of crazy sliders, and I'd have to agree that is probably the biggest issue right now. Such as this one: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3940847Baraatje123 wrote:
What Soweon said in the spoilerbox, is that the big problem?
With all due respect, I'm not sure if Peppy is really in the right position to be making these decisions, because he barely even plays osu at all. Then again, he doesn't seem to be concerned with how this change affects FL players at all, so who knows?Baraatje123 wrote:
Anyways, Peppy already replied here, so I think we should just listen to him