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Damn, you got more map selectors and streamers than referees.
Kephin

Halogen- wrote:

Alright, so I'm going to come out and say this and I hope staff of this tournament gets angry/upset about it -- maybe it'll make you guys do a better job.

This tournament is an absolute joke. If you guys were going to have matches that ran so long, your scheduling blocks needed to be much more refined. The fact that I had to sit 20 minutes past one of my match times because you needed a "temporary referee" to get stuff done due to an unreliable staff is absolutely insane. You can't run a successful event with this many teams on a live stage with half-assed micro-management and that's exactly what this looks like.

The staff of this tournament needs to get together and seriously figure out what they're going to do so that this can be run properly, because right now, this is an embarrassment.
I thought that waiting for 20 minutes is still acceptable, though. But there are some participants that come late when the match should have started.. so the staffs need to make additional rules about attendance.
-Konner-

Kephin wrote:

Halogen- wrote:

Alright, so I'm going to come out and say this and I hope staff of this tournament gets angry/upset about it -- maybe it'll make you guys do a better job.

This tournament is an absolute joke. If you guys were going to have matches that ran so long, your scheduling blocks needed to be much more refined. The fact that I had to sit 20 minutes past one of my match times because you needed a "temporary referee" to get stuff done due to an unreliable staff is absolutely insane. You can't run a successful event with this many teams on a live stage with half-assed micro-management and that's exactly what this looks like.

The staff of this tournament needs to get together and seriously figure out what they're going to do so that this can be run properly, because right now, this is an embarrassment.
I thought that waiting for 20 minutes is still acceptable, though. But there are some participants that come late when the match should have started.. so the staffs need to make additional rules about attendance.
We are having a lot of issues for the group stage. We are going to see what we can change and or add for the RO16. I will make sure that a post is made/updated within the week.
Remillia-
The issue is not only on the Staffs, I as a Referee is not satisfied too by the participants, sometimes the participants went missing, or not replying my messages, so what I gonna do when all of them is gone? Even searching every nickname who is online is not my job(I don't mind if i only message the Captain), the participants should be more active at least message me something.
Halogen-

tenri-ayukawa wrote:

The issue is not only on the Staffs, I as a Referee is not satisfied too by the participants, sometimes the participants went missing, or not replying my messages, so what I gonna do when all of them is gone? Even searching every nickname who is online is not my job(I don't mind if i only message the Captain), the participants should be more active at least message me something.


Then you do what you're supposed to do as a referee and hand out WBDs to the players that promptly showed up on time. As a staff member, you are allowed to have your own opinion as a user of the people who are not showing up to do things that they signed up for, but under no circumstance should you be blaming users for your team's inability to proctor the tournament. It is a privilege on both sides here: players have the privilege of signing up for your tournament and playing in it, and hosts/staff have the privilege of having players who are (supposed to be) enjoying your event. Yes, some teams have not showed up; that's not on you guys at all. The reasons why people are getting mad is because the staff is doing horrible on the logistics part, and to be perfectly honest: in most cases, it's not even the staff's fault. The fact of the matter is, this tournament was structured absolutely horribly in terms of time blocks -- you're trying to fit too much in through time brackets that simply do not work.

ATTN: Ingen - stop blaming staff for "not following rules" that you set out from them; you are the failure here by your micromanagement. You don't sit here and blame your staff that they're not doing a good job, you step in and mitigate the problem so that it doesn't happen again. If your real life situations are getting in the way and the schedule is unmanageable due to the way things worked out, you shouldn't have structured the tournament the way that you did. There is so much wrong here, it's not even funny.

Kephin wrote:

I thought that waiting for 20 minutes is still acceptable, though. But there are some participants that come late when the match should have started.. so the staffs need to make additional rules about attendance.


A player waiting 20 minutes for their competition to show up is acceptable and shows good sportsmanship because they just don't want to win by default.

A player waiting 20 minutes for the referee of their match to invite them to a match that should have started 20 minutes prior is not acceptable under any stretch of the imagination.
juankristal
Well Ingen, I already talked with you. When you are free, please remove my name from the commentators. I dont have the time to keep doing it
-Konner-
I am also not going to be helping out with MIT any longer. Sadly, this event does not seem recoverable after the issues which we have had.
Steins
Try to found any issues and i'll back maybe, i was really busy and tired .. Can't do anymore sorry
i tried really but MIT need many more staffs, maps, ect.. I give up, because You can't heard us.
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Ingen1334
Hi everyone

First, i want to apologizes about MIT issues, i know much problems happened like the big problem to referees and i'm fixing that for round of 16 currently. Then about how long MIT matchs are, with staff we changed scoring and systeme to MIT. I will introduce that later in my explain, but some referees or peoples didn't respect the rules because some referees didn't respect and didn't wait only 5 mins or like apparently match to USA vs Chile waited 23 mins, it's wrote on the rules when a referee or members to the staff are not here, the match is postponed. Then a players is maximum waited 10 mins, after it's a WBD for other team.

Then i want apologize personaly about match to Indonesia vs China Australia vs Russia and Germany vs Malaysia, i was referee and i didn't show up so, i'm verry sorry anout these teams. I don't need to explain my life but i have some issues to health and that do i was not here but that will be resolve soon but that don't excuse so i'm present my apologize to Russia, Indonesia, China, Germany, Australia and Malaysia teams, i'm very sorry to my failure on this, hope you'll can forgive me and let a chance to MIT and that can be better. I love you Kiviman, Fiea, FangSy, rohen04, sankansuki and Cryolien <3

I want say sorry to SAR team about a mistake to me like i did with Australia with hours, i promise to don't repeat this in next rounds.

btw Team need to fixe players, like said tenri-ayukawa, players"played"with rules and in more a mistake was did during Australia vs Brazil, i don't blame both teams but referee didn't saw these teams broke the rules because when you write a player for a key, he will keep this key until the end to the MIT, and like i saw that, i though that unfair for the other teams so i let group stage continue like that than it was not good. Sorry guys...

Halogen you have true, it's my fault, it's me who choose the referees and members to the staff, i thought i can trust in them but that will be fixed fastly.

Yes Halogen i though really the hours beetwen each matchs was enough, i did a mistake on that. Then about the funny to the MIT, we saw, MIT is long, but you need to keep in mind MIT need to play all the key, so it's obviously long but i discuss with map selectors this night about a new scoring and system will be use in round of 16.

I would like say thank to -Konner-, Hey Im Yuuki and Renosoko for broadcast the group stage, thank to juankristal for did a so good commentator <3

Thank to Steins, tenri-ayukawa for managed so much matchs, really thank you

Aitor thank you for support me every times <3 Thank to IamBaum and October Scream for helped a bit MIT, it was so good to see you :)

Let me introduce now the new scoring and system


MIT 2015 new system and scoring:

  1. Score will be based on keys won and not maps, the team won when reach a score to 3 keys won.

  2. A key is won when a team win 2 maps in this key

  3. The key will be selected by the captain, the both captains will roll and the captain who'll win the roll choose 1st and 3rd key played and the second captain will choose 2nd key, then 4th if after 3 key there's no winner.

  4. The subs are always the only players can subs every keys mode, not anymore mains are authorizes to change his key.

  5. Then now MIT will be compose to 4 maps and the roll will be did in each key and the winner will can ban one map.

  6. The players need to be present if not a time will be put to 10 mins before WBD
-Konner-
Ingen, the fact that you are trying to continue this tournament only shows you have not learnt anything from this experience or at least not enough. There are so many things which have gone wrong and they would take a long time and a lot of planning to fix, not just a single night of thinking over things. The main and most important part is that you are clearly not ready to handle this kind of management role.

The reason that most of us from the staff have left is because we know that continuing this onto more stages will only cause more problems for both the staff and the players. There are so many of the players who have had bad experiencing during this weekend and have received no kind of personal apology or anything of the sort for you, or the staff for that matter. Posting this now and posting it publicly, just shows that you are trying to deal with all of this all at once. That in itself shows how incapable you are at managing people and talking to them in general.

You need to just take responsibility for the things which have happened as the organiser. You cannot just move on and act like nothing has happened. The wants and needs of the players need to be Heavily considered and you just don't seem to care. You are just assuming that things will carry on as you have planned, because you have planned them. Life doesn't work like that and you need to realise this.

I hope you realise that i am not trying to offend you or be mean to you in anyway. I am just trying to get through to you as you just don't seem to listen to anything that myself and others have to say. The only reason that i am making this post here and not sending this to you, is so that others can see that we have been trying and that we know exactly how this will turn out.

Only more disappointment can come from messing up another stage of the tournament and that would mean that everyone will lose faith in your ability to help out with even the smallest of tasks in this kind of event.
Steins
Ingen you should hold on this tournament for a while.
You should remind about MIT rules, mapsets, beatmaps nominator, Staff, and many others things.
As a referee, why i should make apologize at your place ? I was really unhappy about this, it's not my fault i tried my best for not being late same without breaks.
As a referee, i don't need to be "so busy and tired" after my planning complete.
As a referee, i think you should care about Staff feeling, and players feeling because actually you act like nothing happens like konner said.
As a referee, stop running out and take your responsability as a organizator.
As a friend, i thought you don't take this like personnal attack but as friend advices.

Captains and teams are kind to not blame more, so be grateful and listen us.
WB FangSy
just witching and don't talk more about that 。 Ingen thought my word was not good and i deleted that before

3time to change date and changed a team member after registration finished

also got up late in group stage like last year. i willnot blame you but i think this is an unofficial Tournament truly and really
Kephin

Steins wrote:

Ingen you should hold on this tournament for a while.
You should remind about MIT rules, mapsets, beatmaps nominator, Staff, and many others things.
As a referee, why i should make apologize at your place ? I was really unhappy about this, it's not my fault i tried my best for not being late same without breaks.
As a referee, i don't need to be "so busy and tired" after my planning complete.
As a referee, i think you should care about Staff feeling, and players feeling because actually you act like nothing happens like konner said.
As a referee, stop running out and take your responsability as a organizator.
As a friend, i thought you don't take this like personnal attack but as friend advices.

Captains and teams are kind to not blame more, so be grateful and listen us.
Firstly, I know that I'm not in the right position to talk, and also I don't know exactly what happened.. but I want to share my opinions about this..
The 4 matches I've had from Saturday and Sunday were great.. I felt really pumped and excited to face such strong opponents. The referees also did their very best (and I think they're the best referees I've ever met in osu!mania competitions) to keep the matches.
but it makes me sad to hear that this tournament is in a threat to be stopped.. I've been waiting days and nights since the day I told my country's captain that I wanted to join this tournament..
I really hope that the tournament will still be held until finished, although it needs to be postponed for few weeks..

but yeah, decisions will be made by the organizer and I believe that the decision will be the best for all of us, both participants and staffs..
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Ingen1334
Kephin MIT is not going to be close.

Then FangSy, yes, i helped Korea this year to register, because first time, a player leave osu!, 2nd time a player is banned, 3rd times 2 players leave, i wanted just to help team like i did every time.

Like Pope Gadget pm on private for asked to change a match hour, i try my best for help players

Steins, it's because i care about players, i helped UK, Korea, because i wanted just they take pleasure in MIT, unfortunally MIT Group Stage was not good but i'm currently working on that for improve MIT during round of 16.
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Ingen1334
Hi everyone

The Knock Out Bracket will come soon don't worry

Round of 16



Schedules


Saturday 24 October 2015:


Germany vs Philippines 10:00 UTC+0 12:00 UTC+2/18:00 UTC+8

Malaysia vs Netherlands 11:00 UTC+0 19:00 UTC+8/13:00 UTC+2

Chile vs / SAR 13:00 UTC+0 10:00 UTC-3/ 21:00 UTC+8

Peru vs Indonesia 15:00 UTC+0 10:00 UTC+0/23:00 UTC+7


Sunday 25 October 2015:


Argentina vs Australia 1:00 UTC+0 22:00 UTC-3(Saturday)/ 12:00 UTC+11

Brazil vs Korea 2:00 UTC+0 21:00 UTC-5(Saturday)/11:00 UTC+9

China vs United Kingdom 12:00 UTC+0 20:00 UTC+8/ 13:00 UTC+1

USA vs / SC 19:00 UTC+0 14:00 UTC-5/21:00 UTC+2
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Ingen1334
Hi

So it's for say, a match changed with right to two captain

Saturday 24 October 2015:

Malaysia vs Netherlands 11:00 UTC+0 19:00 UTC+8/13:00 UTC+2


Then about mappool, we're sorry, we wait a last mappool but promise it will be posted really fast
lemonguy
A couple of things:
Most people already have seen this tournament as a joke and they are not going to participate in it. I can tell you right now that half of the teams will not show up to their matches. If you reschedule it, maybe some will.
Also, it is already Wednesday, but where's the ro16 mappool?
You are trying to rush things, pretending that nothing is wrong, and that nothing can go wrong, but in reality, so much has gone wrong, and from what I can tell the ro16 is going to be a mess.

By continuing this tournament, you are only making things worse. I really hope you know that. This tournament has already been a huge joke and a waste of mine and almost everyone else's time, and you are somehow so ignorant to that, choosing to continue on. Just stop it.
Halogen-

Ingen1334 wrote:

Then about mappool, we're sorry, we wait a last mappool but promise it will be posted really fast


it's been six hours.

the fact that it is halfway into the week and the maps aren't out... it speaks volumes about how bad this tournament is going and will continue to go
lemonguy
To add even more to what has been said:

Why the *** are you putting all of the blame on the staff, who mind you, DID TRY TO MAKE THIS TOURNAMENT WORK, and treating them like they are totally replaceable, and yet you make it sound like you yourself has done nothing wrong? This makes me very mad, and I'm sure others feel the same way.
Kamikaze
I'm getting pissed off as well tbh
Ayachi-
o.o
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Ingen1334
rohen04
Wow, so much drama because of some stupid mistakes from a few people that could have happened to everyone.

Just stop complaining and have fun playing some Mania with players from different countries. By complaining over and over again, you're making this harder and harder for EVERYBODY. Even worse, you go as far as insulting the organiser of the tournament, for which you should have faced consequences already, in my opinion.
Instead of whaling on the same issue over and over again, why not try to help solving problems? This is a community tournament, after all, it is there for YOUR enjoyment, and YOU can help to make it enjoyable for yourself and others. For instance: Ask Ingen if it's possible to change the match scedule, he'll try his best to find a better time.

Our team is there to have fun, and we had lots of it last time, and we'll definitely show up tomorrow to have that fun again.

Stay strong Ingen!
Halogen-

rohen04 wrote:

Wow, so much drama because of some stupid mistakes from a few people that could have happened to everyone.
Just stop complaining and have fun playing some Mania with players from different countries. By complaining over and over again, you're making this harder and harder for EVERYBODY. Even worse, you go as far as insulting the organiser of the tournament, for which you should have faced consequences already, in my opinion.
Instead of whaling on the same issue over and over again, why not try to help solving problems? This is a community tournament, after all, it is there for YOUR enjoyment, and YOU can help to make it enjoyable for yourself and others. For instance: Ask Ingen if it's possible to change the match scedule, he'll try his best to find a better time.
Our team is there to have fun, and we had lots of it last time, and we'll definitely show up tomorrow to have that fun again.
Stay strong Ingen!


While it's clear that Ingen is trying to make things better, this post is absolutely ridiculous and you're really far out of place saying that. It's even apparent in this thread, but I'll reiterate it once more: even tournament staff is complaining about things. Don't make a post like that and act like a mediator because you're just adding more fuel to a fire that's not even close to being contained.
IamBaum
Halogen i really think you and the others are exaggerating here.
Mistakes have been made and this isn't even arguable, it's a fact. Therefore u have all the rights to complain, but trying to bash it down to this extend is too much.
We have at least 2 Options to Deal with this Situations:
• 1. - Try to flame it as much as possible and drag the tournament down or...
• 2. - Try to be forgiving and give it a 2nd chance, so that at least the ppl who enjoyed this Tournament so far and especially the persons who participate for the first time in their life in such an event, will have a nice time.

I would personally prefer the 2nd Option, especially for the participants who would like to enjoy this tourney and in respect for the innocent ppl who tryed their best for this event.
We can't change what happend, but we can at least try to keep the atmosphere at a certain level so that this can still become a good memory for the other users.
(Yes this didn't directly affect me, because i don't participate but i've already been invovled in plenty of situations like that.)
Halogen-
I said that I was giving Ingen credit for trying, and I hadn't said anything since the mappool had gotten out. Everyone has a right to be upset, but with things moving, yes, people should relax now.

However, I'm not condoning someone saying that everyone is being overdramatic when it's been well known and established that things were really really bad for a bit. Yes, everyone needs to drop the subject and move on, but it needs to be done in entirety. Posts saying that people like myself are in the wrong for being upset are ridiculous and aren't helping when the discussion stopped.

And yes, it would be good if the tournament can actually be managed in a way that the remaining players can have a good time.
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Ingen1334
Stop speak about past Halogen.

I didn't had any complains about staff tournament.

Halogen, problem to MIT are now resolved. Then for the mappool, i'm sorry but Skalim had problems and was not connect and i needed to wait him for 6k.

I would like now stop this drama. MIT had only Group Stage and somes speak like it was semi-final. MIT have again 5 rounds for show be a great tournament and be fun.
Krah
Let's be nice and stop the "dramas" here.
If you still have things to resolve finish it in pm for the sake of this tournament.

Gonna keep an eye on the thread.
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Ingen1334
The link for Trigger Happy is now fixed
Halogen-
What were the results of the matches this past weekend?
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Ingen1334
New schedules and result to the past week-end are posted on main page.

In reason to forfeit to SC in MIT, Germany will win this round
projectc1
only 2 match in R16 :(
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Ingen1334
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Ingen1334
Hi

I didn't saw but i wrote the wrong diff for Planet Wars, it's not GRAVITY but Ichi's INFINITE. Sorry about this...
lemonguy
Can you post a bracket for the tournament? I think many of us would like to know who we would play in later round depending on if the team wins or loses, and right now we have no clue who we would play in later rounds.
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Ingen1334
I would like but raidexx is busy and the other are not anymore in osu!

I don't know who ask, i though Garin but he accept only request with money. So if some one would like help me that wll be great, i'm so bad in editing...
Histoire

Ingen1334 wrote:

I would like but raidexx is busy and the other are not anymore in osu!

I don't know who ask, i though Garin but he accept only request with money. So if some one would like help me that wll be great, i'm so bad in editing...
You don't have to have a graphics designer for a bracket.. you can make a simple one yourself at challeonge
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Ingen1334
I did but the quality is so poor, my map selectors saw the bracket, they laughed... TT
lemonguy
It would be better than not having a bracket...you can easily make a bracket on challonge.
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