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PyaKura
Wooooow for real?!

Good luck ~
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puxtu
roflmao
Evening
你什么
Kamikaze
you what
post reserved for reply to pya's mod

PyaKura wrote:

sup since when are you modding D:

1|2|3 etc... |7

I'll just mod the last 3 7K diffs, I can't mod 4K and I'm too lazy to go through the easy stuff as well so here I go.
There are tons of suggestions and I'll also write up my thoughts when I played some parts as well.

[Kami's diff]
00:26:987 (26987|3) - to 5 (trying to avoid 1/2 of the same note in a row in a stream because it is not comfortable to play + doesn't really make sense) This and any 1/2 anchors are leftovers from my cleanup of those anchors because I didn't do it properly, fixed
00:30:737 (30737|3) - to 6 ^ (adding to what I said just above this holds especially true for columns 1 4 7) moved to 2 instead
00:31:909 (31909|0,31909|2,31909|4,32222|4,32222|6) - For better playability try to place the notes next to each other. 00:32:065 (32065|6,32143|5,32222|4,32222|6) - this especially not being comfortable to play at 200bpm stolen a classified KawaEE™ pattern here
00:33:081 (33081|3,33237|3) - see above repatterned completely

side note : always prefer simple, straight patterns (3 notes ministairs are kinda the perfect thing for such a high speed map) instead of tricky ones which go all over the place at 200bpm. As a basic rule the higher the bpm the smoother the patterns should be. I'm aware of that and I'll see what I can do about it, doing ministairs all the time isn't a good idea imo (too bland for me, explained at the end) but I'll use them every once in a while

00:38:159 (38159|2,38315|2,38472|2) - move 00:38:472 (38472|2) - to 1 preferably victim of further pattern smoothing so idk how much I applied
00:39:956 (39956|2,40034|4,40034|0,40112|2,40190|4,40190|6) - simple patterns are your friend this is a simple "white key" (IIDX) pattern, but I did smooth it out a bit
00:41:050 (41050|2,41128|3,41206|4,41284|1,41362|2,41440|3,41518|0,41597|1,41675|2) - ok so this is what I was talking about being perfect and all dawg I can't do this all the time ok

01:00:347 (60347|3) - move to 2 | 01:00:425 (60425|4) - to 1 | 01:00:503 (60503|5) - to 3 another victims of self mod smoothing (fun fact I applied 1st suggestion before taking a look at it)
01:29:565 (89565|6) - to 6 victim and done same way either way
01:30:347 (90347|2,90425|0,90503|2,90581|0,90659|6,90737|5,90815|6,90893|5) - muuuuh first trill is fine to me and redone second one to 7474
01:31:831 (91831|5) - to 4 now I do belive that this kind of one handed stair is fine to play, but reworked it into wider stair nevertheless
01:45:581 - chords are over chorded compared to the following | 01:45:581 (105581|3,105737|3,105893|3) - pls your mom is overchorded. it was accenting piano, but I guess I didn't do it later so uhh, nerfed. Moved first spacebar as well, leaving two other because it flows well
01:49:722 (109722|1,109800|2,109878|3) - move 1 column to the left
01:52:143 (112143|2,112222|1) - Ctrl + J | 01:52:222 (112222|3,112300|4,112378|3,112456|2) - Move 1 column to the right
01:53:081 (113081|3,113237|3) - idk I changed a lot of things here not really according to mod, but really smoother anyway

02:34:722 - this whole part is arguably the most difficult part of the diff (due to the double LNs) for no real reason, especially considering the following part which is essentially the same in the song but is a lot easier to play. Remade first part of it so it doesn't have shorter LNs but doubled longer ones
02:46:206 (166206|1,166284|0,166284|2,166362|1) - urgh fuck a goat
02:50:972 (170972|3,171128|3,171284|3,171440|3) - uurrgghh fuck another one
03:04:722 - I really like how gimmicky this part feels GJ me :D
03:24:565 - same thing but I won't hide I have some doubts about whether those LNs are legit or not. Fun nonetheless. GJ me again :3 Adjusted few LNs in the first part of that section tho to be safer
03:54:722 - So sometimes we get the 1/3 rhythm then it suddenly disappears then it comes back again wat idk why that happened, but fixed that
04:08:472 - you're missing a note here fixd
04:09:175 (249175|4,249253|6,249331|4,249409|6) - uuh yeah whatever
04:13:472 - Mmmh, yeah, playable. it this was a longer jack I'd agree, but here I object. Minijacks patterned like this, spread out, ballanced on hands and altering fingers, are well playable imho

04:29:253 (269253|6,269409|6) - to 2 and 04:29:331 (269331|5) - to 1

04:45:893 (285893|3,285972|2) - ctrl + J

I have probably skipped a lot of those little cases but they're mostly the same thing so I think you can find them by yourself if you understand what I've been meaning to say. dw I got you covered

Overall it's very fun to play IMO but it feels like the patterns are kinda all over the place, like you're trying to do something (more like "some things" actually) but you're not consistent at doing it across the whole map. Also always prefer simple patterns over broken streams and brackets when you map a high bpm song such as this. Always aim for playability over looks. If the map is pretty but is not comfy to play there is no point. Well personally I don't have too many problems playing this but for the range of players this diff is aimed at it might really prove to be a bit too difficult than intended due to the aforementioned reasons. All I went for tbh is patterns that are somewhat easy to hit, but also not as bland as just stairs everywhere, tbh it's underrated as well in SR. I think this should be 4,7 or so idk. But at the same time I will be making as many adjustments as possible to make it comfy if it's really that bad
Thanks Pya, this should be a shitton smoother to play now!
I do believe that my diff is almost ready, just needs one more check I guess
update
Tidek
dafuq just happened here ;o
Harbyter

[GraveChaos] wrote:


hi , i have to pop this bubble cause this song at the current state is unrankable, especially zenx's gd


and you forgot the fact that you should not ignore someone's mod before iconing

Evening wrote:

你什么

-Kamikaze- wrote:

you what
post reserved for reply to pya's mod

after they reply pyakura's mod i'll handle the rebubble
PyaKura
Also I'm not sure but I believe my diff hasn't been hitsounded yet.
Mind using Shana's HS copier on it for me? tyvm
Topic Starter
puxtu
Sure thing. Hitsounding is ez
PyaKura

-Kamikaze- wrote:

since when are you modding D:
idk I randomly mod on request or when I feel like it despite what's written on my userpage lol.

putu get yo ass moving
Evening

Harbyter wrote:

hi , i have to pop this bubble cause this song at the current state is unrankable, especially zenx's gd

what is unrankable
Kamikaze
did I hear a trigger
Evening

-Kamikaze- wrote:

did I hear a trigger
right, i shouldn't go through this again, just remove my diff

-Kamikaze- is a good person
Topic Starter
puxtu

Evening wrote:

right, i shouldn't go through this again, just remove my diff
BYE *le _db syndrome*

And wtf I don't remember giving any kudosu to pyak's post roflmao
PyaKura
happened to me as well with one of expew's recheck post on end tine. dunno what's up with this.
Kamikaze

puxtu wrote:

BYE *le _db syndrome*
You're such an asshole, really.
Topic Starter
puxtu

-Kamikaze- wrote:

puxtu wrote:

BYE *le _db syndrome*
You're such an asshole, really.
Thanks sensei.
Fullerene-

-Kamikaze- wrote:

puxtu wrote:

BYE *le _db syndrome*
You're such an asshole, really.
Topic Starter
puxtu
On a serious note, I'm not going to remove that diff for whatever reason.
So you better start working zenx because I'm not giving up on you.
Evening

puxtu wrote:

On a serious note, I'm not going to remove that diff for whatever reason.
So you better start working zenx because I'm not giving up on you.
... I feel bad for you

is this even rankable?
The whole chart is mainly based on 1 concept here:
Usage of simple patterns while having a high HP + stamina draining aspect to justify the map difficulty
well, if that's not rankable i have no idea what else to do
Kamikaze
I haven't taken a look at zenx's diff in a while, but from what I get, the "overchord" part is silly. Like there's no allowance in emphasizing sounds with more notes. Unless it's a consistency issue, I see no reason for it to be unrankable.
Topic Starter
puxtu

Evening wrote:

Usage of simple patterns while having a high HP + stamina draining aspect to justify the map difficulty
What happened to #RankHarder2015? Come on zenx we're sick and tired with all of these 4K tv sizes. We need something that more challenging right?
Kamikaze
Puxtu why are you directing that to Zenx?
Evening

puxtu wrote:

Evening wrote:

Usage of simple patterns while having a high HP + stamina draining aspect to justify the map difficulty
What happened to #RankHarder2015? Come on zenx we're sick and tired with all of these 4K tv sizes. We need something that more challenging right?
sure, rank harder maps, if i can even rank this
Topic Starter
puxtu
Everything is possible. All you need is just to believe ;^)
Evening

puxtu wrote:

Everything is possible. All you need is just to believe ;^)
right
Blocko
Sorry for being late ;_;
First things first: I got a couple of small suggestions for the whole mapset.


General

Tags: Remove "Nigger Something" from the tags. srsly why is that there
Timing: The red timing point at 00:00:000 - is unnecessary since the song doesn't actually start there, so remove that (along with the green one if it's there.)

Might want to add some SVs to Pya's 7K HD+ and Tidek's 4K SHD so the intro is easier to read.



Now it's time to reply to Pya's mod.

PyaKura wrote:

sup sup

1|2|3 etc... |7

I'll just mod the last 3 7K diffs, I can't mod 4K and I'm too lazy to go through the easy stuff as well so here I go.
There are tons of suggestions and I'll also write up my thoughts when I played some parts as well.


[Blocko's thing]

First of all I can't play this properly so take everything with a grain of salt.

00:34:643 (34643|5,34722|4) - ctrl + J Done
00:39:643 (39643|5,39722|4) - Ctrl + J (because 76[57] and 12[13] are not cool :c ) Done

it's impressive I can't find much to speak about

01:26:987 (86987|3) - move to 3 Done
01:29:643 (89643|1,89722|0,89722|2,89800|1) - this kind of makes me cry but I don't really see an alternative oop me neither
With that in mind, I kept on doing some rearrangements but eh, can't really find any other ways to map this.


01:39:643 (99643|4,99800|4) - to 6 and 01:39:722 (99722|5) - to 5 Uhh rearranged it a bit instead, but I didn't take the reason behind your suggestion since it kinda doesn't affect playability in a large scale.

01:44:722 - this part really felt mentally heavy and tiring to play for some reason, I didn't really feel like reading it at all x_x Not in the sense that I couldn't read it but... eeeeeh idk it's hard to put it into words. Might be the short 1/2 LNs causing this. It may look rather confusing to read because of the LNs in between, but the patterns themselves are relatively simple to do. It's just that I want to keep this section a bit more challenging to read so it adds more variety in the diff.

02:04:565 - I suck at this kind of pattern, especially at this speed ;-; Can't really change anything there oop

02:14:722 - 02:29:722 - This part would have been interesting with the 1/3 + 1/4 triplets polyrhythm but as it stands now it's kinda bland... It gets more complex in the later sections i promise

02:35:190 (155190|2,155268|1) - Ctrl + J Done
02:40:503 (160503|4,160581|5) - Ctrl + J Done
02:46:206 - something like this to avoid the awkward pattern ? The current pattern doesn't really seem to be awkward imo
Well, now that you mentioned it, I did rearrange the upper half of that just a bit to make it have more flow


03:20:503 (200503|3,200581|2) - move 2 columns to the left and 03:20:659 (200659|0) - to 4 and 03:20:659 (200659|1) - to 3 ? 03:20:659 (200659|0,200815|0) - It's to avoid that Done, but I think I found a better alternative

03:44:722 - are you sure you don't wanna polyrhythm this? D: i hope i did it right

04:29:722 - this is 100% RIPyaKura rip in piece in pieces

I don't think I can help much more with this diff D: The structure looks well done to me overall.
Thanks for the mod, Pyaper!
I rehitsounded my diff since I didn't really like how the copier did it.
Update: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rkdj12nqskrjw ... D.osu?dl=0
Topic Starter
puxtu

Blocko wrote:

General

Tags: Remove "Nigger Something" from the tags. srsly why is that there decided to add this because
2015-01-20 04:04 -Kamikaze-: wow for a moment I wanted to type nigger when I searched for ningen
2015-01-20 04:04 -Kamikaze-: gg
2015-01-20 04:04 puxtu: lmao
Timing: The red timing point at 00:00:000 - is unnecessary since the song doesn't actually start there, so remove that (along with the green one if it's there.) ???? I don't even know it was there. Removed
Might want to add some SVs to Pya's 7K HD+ and Tidek's 4K SHD so the intro is easier to read. oh shit I forgot
thanks for reminding
PyaKura
erm you still need to remove those tags no matter what I think
Topic Starter
puxtu

PyaKura wrote:

erm you still need to remove those tags no matter what I think
I dont wanna >:C
snexe
Shooting them stars. ('_J')b
AruOtta
(go for loved :3)
Topic Starter
puxtu
Same as your marathon map x)
Loctav
Loved as per mapper's request.
Topic Starter
puxtu
O nice
Rivals_7
o shit
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