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Endaris wrote:
+1Khelly wrote:
No one is overranked.
There are only underranked people.
This is just a BS feel-good sentiment. Some people are overranked and some people are underranked. It depends on how much farming you have done.Khelly wrote:
No one is overranked.
You're not overranked if you have the skill to get the pp from a map and DID. Why is that so hard to understand? No one FCs all the maps they can to the best of their abilities, in which case they couldn't gain anymore - there's varying degrees of underranked there. No one is overranked unless you cheated to get a score. It's your skill that let you get whatever play it was.B1rd wrote:
This is just a BS feel-good sentiment. Some people are overranked and some people are underranked. It depends on how much farming you have done.Khelly wrote:
No one is overranked.
Who can't FC Daidai and Koigokoro? If you go and search for every farm map there is, play DT all day erryday then you are overranked becasue you have farmed more than the mean player and have less skill than average for your pp. And yes, the player who plays for hard FCs is going to be more skilled than the player that has all DT top ranks even though they have 10% more pp. And you can't argue that a player who has more pp than average for their skill is not overranked. That is the defintion of overranked.Khelly wrote:
You're not overranked if you have the skill to get the pp from a map and DID. Why is that so hard to understand? No one FCs all the maps they can to the best of their abilities, in which case they couldn't gain anymore - there's varying degrees of underranked there. No one is overranked unless you cheated to get a score. It's your skill that let you get whatever play it was.B1rd wrote:
This is just a BS feel-good sentiment. Some people are overranked and some people are underranked. It depends on how much farming you have done.
Now let me say "Farming" is a BS feel-good sentiment used by people who don't regularly play for fcs or cannot fc and like to use it to think they're superior than the people who want to play for fcs and pp.
1) If you can't fc daidai or kokoro (And daidai was hard for me when I first tried it), then you deserve to be lower ranked for not having that ability. That's one of my points. If you don't, see point 3.B1rd wrote:
Who can't FC Daidai and Koigokoro? If you go and search for every farm map there is, play DT all day erryday then you are overranked becasue you have farmed more than the mean player and have less skill than average for your pp. And yes, the player who plays for hard FCs is going to be more skilled than the player that has all DT top ranks even though they have 10% more pp. And you can't argue that a player who has more pp than average for their skill is not overranked. That is the defintion of overranked.
People don't like farming because the farming it leads to boring maps and boring plays. 'Oh Hvick just DT'd another extra with DT for 500+ pp, amazing (zzz)'. 'Oh look the 15th MIIRO or generic another ar9.2+ jumpspam map has been ranked how exciting (zzz)'
refer to thisKhelly wrote:
3)When I say rank, I mean pp. Maybe I should have said that before. No one is overranked because your abilities allow you to get up to a certain amount of pp. It is legitimate - you have the skill, you make the play, you get X amount of total pp. People can be UNDERRANKED, below their skillcap for pp (Which we all probably are to varying degrees) because of not trying, not having tried long enough on maps you can fc, not playing a wider variety of maps, or flat out avoiding playing some maps. Like if someone could HDDT SS koigokoro insane but chooses not to.
Not reaching your maximum PP potential =/= being underranked.B1rd wrote:
If you go and search for every farm map there is, play DT all day erryday then you are overranked becasue you have farmed more than the mean player and have less skill than average for your pp. And you can't argue that a player who has more pp than average for their skill is not overranked. That is the definition of overranked.
I think playing solely for PP is a shitty way to play. That is all.Khelly wrote:
4) Is it just me, or do you and lots of other people use farming to mean playing for pp and think that the only legitimate way to play is to FC whatever you, the person using the term farm, have in your high and mighty opinion as a "hard map".
B1rd wrote:
refer to thisNot reaching your maximum PP potential =/= being underranked.B1rd wrote:
If you go and search for every farm map there is, play DT all day erryday then you are overranked becasue you have farmed more than the mean player and have less skill than average for your pp. And you can't argue that a player who has more pp than average for their skill is not overranked. That is the definition of overranked.
It is to me; the person whom you'd call overranked who is already near his potential isn't going to be gaining more anytime soon. I see no reason to call him overranked for that. He's done - at his limit. The person who's not near their own limit can continue to gain. Their plays will begin to show more and more of what they're capable rather than the person who's already exhausted everything they can do.I think playing solely for PP is a shitty way to play. That is all.Khelly wrote:
4) Is it just me, or do you and lots of other people use farming to mean playing for pp and think that the only legitimate way to play is to FC whatever you, the person using the term farm, have in your high and mighty opinion as a "hard map".
Then you can continue to not do so?
This. Your rank doesn't increase from being skilled, it increases from fc'ing sufficiently difficult maps. Let's stop pretending rank is a measure of skill. As long as maps such as Snow Drive exist that give 0pp and fc's on them are considered outstanding accomplishments it's silly to associate rank directly with skill.otoed1 wrote:
It is literally impossible to be over ranked, unless you cheated to get your rank in some way. If you made plays that got you to your current rank then you earned it.
But are you denying the correlation?chainpullz wrote:
This. Your rank doesn't increase from being skilled, it increases from fc'ing sufficiently difficult maps. Let's stop pretending rank is a measure of skill. As long as maps such as Snow Drive exist that give 0pp and fc's on them are considered outstanding accomplishments it's silly to associate rank directly with skill.otoed1 wrote:
It is literally impossible to be over ranked, unless you cheated to get your rank in some way. If you made plays that got you to your current rank then you earned it.
That it's direct yes. That there is a loose correlation, no. High skilled players are capable of being highly ranked. Rankings merely guess at the lower bound of a player's skill.Khelly wrote:
But are you denying the correlation?
would agree with thisII Jelli II wrote:
The fact that underranked people exist guarantees the existence of overranked people. This should be a pretty easy concept to understand. If one person is slightly better than another but goes out of his way to never play farm maps, then he will be underranked, and the other person will be overranked, even if this other person does not play a heap of farm maps.
DittoShina Kokomi wrote:
if u feel you are overranked and it really bothers you why don't u just derank?
Skill is the dual to rank. Thus skill is an upper bound on rank and rank is a lower bound on skill. In practice the duality gap is extremely large for most players.II Jelli II wrote:
LOL obviously there is a very close relationship between rank and skill, people just say otherwise because they mad cus bad. No but seriously, if you have 2 players of different ranks, much more commonly the higher ranked player will be "better" (in quotation marks because there are many different aspects that can make a player good, so better means in the eyes of the objective referee). People who are lower ranked and better that a person who is not too close to their rank, are the outliers.
Stupid nomod playersSirade wrote:
If you full combo with >95% accuracy at Daidai Genome's Insane, you are already overranked.
od 9.75 is hard to acc and....Sirade wrote:
If you full combo with >95% accuracy at Daidai Genome's Insane, you are already overranked.
Khelly wrote:
Stupid nomod players
Wiki is not a reliable source. Didnt they teach you that in middle school?Ninonuko wrote:
No, I learnt it myself since schools here are retarded .ZenithPhantasm wrote:
Wiki is not a reliable source. Didnt they teach you that in middle school?Ninonuko wrote: