Third option is fine. Just give a big notification on the map so people will be less likely to complain.
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Poll 26: Should we remove scoreboards from qualified maps?
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Should we remove scoreboards from qualified beatmaps?
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i would prefer to have an icon for qualified status, else i am also pleased with the third option (no pp till ranked status)
The problem is that knowing that a record is deleted to update the score and express dissatisfaction.
I really really cant understand that
I really really cant understand that
Now that I think about it the 3rd option wouldn't change much, it's a step in the right direction but generally you can guess what sort of pp you will get from a play, so people will just complain about losing the pp they would have got, instead of the pp they already got. I think lust's suggestion is great, playing a qualified map gives no permanent pp, that way at least if people are gonna complain they will complain about the system rather that the QATs and the bs ranking criteria(but that's a much bigger discussion and this isn't the time and place to go into it)
tbh I feel like the qualified maps are fine the way they are. Keeping the scoreboard but giving no pp isn't really doing anything really. Your score is still there if you fc a really hard map you are still going to get a pp rain for that score and if it dqs you will lose everything regardless. Your pp is just being held but its still there lol.
I think so, for no one will be upset, because there are no selected pp C:
Always nicer to log back in and see that you've gained some ranks then logging in and see that you've lost that many ranksNeutral wrote:
tbh I feel like the qualified maps are fine the way they are. Keeping the scoreboard but giving no pp isn't really doing anything really. Your score is still there if you fc a really hard map you are still going to get a pp rain for that score and if it dqs you will lose everything regardless. Your pp is just being held but its still there lol.
I guess it is a mental thing. I've never really minded losing ranks to dqs. I actually enjoy dqs tbh, usually means a map is on it's way to getting better.LoupDuQc wrote:
Always nicer to log back in and see that you've gained some ranks then logging in and see that you've lost that many ranksNeutral wrote:
tbh I feel like the qualified maps are fine the way they are. Keeping the scoreboard but giving no pp isn't really doing anything really. Your score is still there if you fc a really hard map you are still going to get a pp rain for that score and if it dqs you will lose everything regardless. Your pp is just being held but its still there lol.
getting no pp until ranked is still useless for me though because i think players play qualified maps so they get an advantage for pp and qualified maps without the pp/scoreboard part for me doesn't differentiate it from pending that much.
I do not know what kind of "advantage" that might be. It is not like you gain more pp the quicker you are. You gain the exact same amount of pp, regardless of when you make the play. The pp is only dependant on how good you play on the present map, not when you did it and who else played the map. These are variables not even influencing the pp gain a single bit.
I'm still not seeing how not rewarding pp helps, people will still lose their scores, still be mad and people will be confused about not gaining pp.
IMO it's black or white, keep the ranking charts or remove them. I am far more inclined to shout out and mod a map after qualification because I may possibly play it to set a competitive score. The best way to spot issues with a map is to attempt in numerous times, I will not try to set scores on a map without a scoreboard.
So from my perspective: Remove scoreboards - fine but qualified becomes disassociated with players, don't expect to see their views of a map unless their an active modder.
Keep scoreboards, remove pp until rank: Expect just as much bitching about DQ' and more confusion about pp.
Keep scoreboards: We're where we are today. This is my preference.
IMO it's black or white, keep the ranking charts or remove them. I am far more inclined to shout out and mod a map after qualification because I may possibly play it to set a competitive score. The best way to spot issues with a map is to attempt in numerous times, I will not try to set scores on a map without a scoreboard.
So from my perspective: Remove scoreboards - fine but qualified becomes disassociated with players, don't expect to see their views of a map unless their an active modder.
Keep scoreboards, remove pp until rank: Expect just as much bitching about DQ' and more confusion about pp.
Keep scoreboards: We're where we are today. This is my preference.
I think my suggestion on the previous page is a good middle-ground for this.jesus1412 wrote:
I'm still not seeing how not rewarding pp helps, people will still lose their scores, still be mad and people will be confused about not gaining pp.
IMO it's black or white, keep the ranking charts or remove them. I am far more inclined to shout out and mod a map after qualification because I may possibly play it to set a competitive score. The best way to spot issues with a map is to attempt in numerous times, I will not try to set scores on a map without a scoreboard.
So from my perspective: Remove scoreboards - fine but qualified becomes disassociated with players, don't expect to see their views of a map unless their an active modder.
Keep scoreboards, remove pp until rank: Expect just as much bitching about DQ' and more confusion about pp.
Keep scoreboards: We're where we are today. This is my preference.
I would rather like to see an ingame warning like "This beatmap is currently qualified. If it gets disqualified, all scores will be wiped." or something else to make it easier to identify Qualified Beatmaps in song select.
And wiping all scores when it got ranked would increase the drama/complaints in my point of view. More scores getting wiped == more players will be affected by losing pp which results in more drama/complaints.
And wiping all scores when it got ranked would increase the drama/complaints in my point of view. More scores getting wiped == more players will be affected by losing pp which results in more drama/complaints.
Although not rewarding pp essentially makes no difference, getting no pp temporarily still makes me feel better than gaining lots of pp and suddenly losing them all.
But anyway, as many people mentioned above, since qualified maps are different from ranked ones, it is necessary to use a different icon for qualified maps.
But anyway, as many people mentioned above, since qualified maps are different from ranked ones, it is necessary to use a different icon for qualified maps.
Just saying : i am that guy who spends as much time playing qualified maps as ranked maps and never really cared about pp in general.jesus1412 wrote:
Keep scoreboards, remove pp until rank: Expect just as much bitching about DQ' and more confusion about pp.
Keep scoreboards: We're where we are today. This is my preference.
Also, when a mapset got DQed because of let's say only some issues in the easy diff, i hope that there'll be a way to 'reapply' my scores that i got last time for the other diffs that remain unchanged when the map gets requalified. If that's not possible then it's fine i guess.
There's no advantage to playing qualified maps. I honestly think it's because many players are impatient. When they see a qualified map that gives a shit ton of pp, they don't want to wait a week to get that pp score, despite the cons of playing qualified maps.DanSparce wrote:
getting no pp until ranked is still useless for me though because i think players play qualified maps so they get an advantage for pp and qualified maps without the pp/scoreboard part for me doesn't differentiate it from pending that much.
the 3rd one is so far the best
in my opinion just add bubble, qualify and disqualify icon to the actual game,making it easier to know which one is qualified and which one isnt
in my opinion just add bubble, qualify and disqualify icon to the actual game,making it easier to know which one is qualified and which one isnt
This. I will mail you my unborn child in exchange for this.AncuL wrote:
in my opinion just add bubble, qualify and disqualify icon to the actual game,making it easier to know which one is qualified and which one isnt
I cant understand... Why qualified maps get scoreboards?
Why should a user be play? idk
Why should a user be play? idk
That way I know which maps to avoid playing.AncuL wrote:
the 3rd one is so far the best
in my opinion just add bubble, qualify and disqualify icon to the actual game,making it easier to know which one is qualified and which one isnt
This is 4 month late. There is no any huge drama from players about their scores lately, maybe just 1 random post saying "oh I lost my fc", can't say this is drama, everyone is aware about qualified section already. Why you should change something that just started to work properly?peppy wrote:
but after several months of testing, the only result of having scoreboards on these maps is huge drama and complaints from players who lose their scores when a map is disqualified.
I love the mentality of if it gives no pp ill avoid the map... the whole idea of the qualified section is that a larger mass of people play it and give feedback on the map lol.
I don't even care whether it gives pp or not
imo, don't give pp before Ranked,
and Qualified status changes to Ranked,
then give pp for qualified records.
and Qualified status changes to Ranked,
then give pp for qualified records.
imo, Dont give pp before rank, and remove scoreboard. But keep rank achieved and/or acc and/or misses or something like that for reference to past plays.
The fact that maps are qualified instead of ranked should be shown clearly in-game (unless it is shown there already and I'm just missing it?) 
But yeah, no PP unless they rank seems to be the best option.
But yeah, no PP unless they rank seems to be the best option.
It happened
Graf wrote:
There should be a clearer indication in-game if the map is qualified or ranked imo.
There is. See the cutting-edge release.Naty540 wrote:
:roll:Graf wrote:
There should be a clearer indication in-game if the map is qualified or ranked imo.
Mercurial
What are you talking about? The scoreboards are still there, granted they are reset upon rank.Mercurial wrote:
Well, the least voted option was the one that ppy is using right now.
Thanks Obama.
The most voted option in the poll was the one used.
Abraker
The notice appears in all builds
Not only CE
The notice appears in all builds
Not only CE
Naty540's post made me think it doesn't. I've been on Beta and CE for the past month, so I don't know what's on stable anymore.Baraatje123 wrote:
Abraker
The notice appears in all builds
Not only CE