Why? Where in the qualified listing states that playing these beatmaps should give you a reward? It says it clearly in black and white, the qualified section is for people who don't mind their scores getting lost (although in this instance it would be all scores), those who want to play cutting edge beatmaps before they are released to the masses, and those that want to help keep beatmap quality top-notch (which not a lot of people seem to be doing for some reason...). With what I wrote, we change the angle of the qualified section entirely - those that want to help with beatmap quality can and those that don't mind losing scores can still play on a scoreboard + see how the pp gain affects their overall pp.baraatje123 wrote:
I'm not sure about that
Okay, Qualified comes with a risk, but there should also be a reward (score stays if map is good enough)
Edit: Wow, already 1200+ votes O.o
They aren't being punished for something they should be willing to lose in the first place. Playing for pp should not be on the forefront of a qualified player's mind. If we want people to evaluate qualified beatmaps closer and have a qualified section as it is supposed to be, we need to rethink how scoring/pp gains work in the section entirely. I think what I posted solves that issue pretty well.baraatje123 wrote:
Well
I meant it in the way: Why should players be "punished" (losing score) when the map passes the 7-days and thus is of high-quality
I know, it's a risk, but players shouldn't be "punished" IMO
Here I mean Not "Punished" as rewarded (probably wrong word choice tho ;w;)
peppy wrote:
I completely agree.jesus1412 wrote:
I feel like dumb fucks will complain double about "not getting pp from X map" if the pp is removed.
This category is recommended for people who:don't give pp on qualified maps please
- Want to play cutting-edge maps.
- Want to help keep map quality top-notch!
- Don't mind having scores removed occasionally
i actually like this idea (and the reasoning behind it) a lot.Lust wrote:
Pretty sure Lanturn mentioned this earlier, but I'd rather go with a completely different tactic. Players can continue to compete and earn pp while in qualified, but their scores and pp gains are wiped. This will allow people to test their playing abilities (and the beatmap, provide feedback if needed too), see how the map will affect their overall pp, and avoid heartbreak when a map is disqualified since they were going to lose the pp anyway. It fits the whole "cutting edge" motif qualified beatmaps have. In multiple alpha/beta tests, most of the time you don't carry your work into the finished product (mmos with their character data, for example).
Of course, players that don't already mind losing their scores will play in qualified maps (those that should be) so they won't complain/cause a drama. Those that do mind, however, will stay away and wait the process out (or give the beatmap a try). We'll definitely need some sort of qualified indicator ingame if this were to happen though.
If we can't do the above, then it is the third option for me
jesus1412 wrote:
I feel like dumb fucks will complain double about "not getting pp from X map" if the pp is removed.
Always nicer to log back in and see that you've gained some ranks then logging in and see that you've lost that many ranksNeutral wrote:
tbh I feel like the qualified maps are fine the way they are. Keeping the scoreboard but giving no pp isn't really doing anything really. Your score is still there if you fc a really hard map you are still going to get a pp rain for that score and if it dqs you will lose everything regardless. Your pp is just being held but its still there lol.
I guess it is a mental thing. I've never really minded losing ranks to dqs. I actually enjoy dqs tbh, usually means a map is on it's way to getting better.LoupDuQc wrote:
Always nicer to log back in and see that you've gained some ranks then logging in and see that you've lost that many ranksNeutral wrote:
tbh I feel like the qualified maps are fine the way they are. Keeping the scoreboard but giving no pp isn't really doing anything really. Your score is still there if you fc a really hard map you are still going to get a pp rain for that score and if it dqs you will lose everything regardless. Your pp is just being held but its still there lol.
I think my suggestion on the previous page is a good middle-ground for this.jesus1412 wrote:
I'm still not seeing how not rewarding pp helps, people will still lose their scores, still be mad and people will be confused about not gaining pp.
IMO it's black or white, keep the ranking charts or remove them. I am far more inclined to shout out and mod a map after qualification because I may possibly play it to set a competitive score. The best way to spot issues with a map is to attempt in numerous times, I will not try to set scores on a map without a scoreboard.
So from my perspective: Remove scoreboards - fine but qualified becomes disassociated with players, don't expect to see their views of a map unless their an active modder.
Keep scoreboards, remove pp until rank: Expect just as much bitching about DQ' and more confusion about pp.
Keep scoreboards: We're where we are today. This is my preference.
Just saying : i am that guy who spends as much time playing qualified maps as ranked maps and never really cared about pp in general.jesus1412 wrote:
Keep scoreboards, remove pp until rank: Expect just as much bitching about DQ' and more confusion about pp.
Keep scoreboards: We're where we are today. This is my preference.
There's no advantage to playing qualified maps. I honestly think it's because many players are impatient. When they see a qualified map that gives a shit ton of pp, they don't want to wait a week to get that pp score, despite the cons of playing qualified maps.DanSparce wrote:
getting no pp until ranked is still useless for me though because i think players play qualified maps so they get an advantage for pp and qualified maps without the pp/scoreboard part for me doesn't differentiate it from pending that much.
This. I will mail you my unborn child in exchange for this.AncuL wrote:
in my opinion just add bubble, qualify and disqualify icon to the actual game,making it easier to know which one is qualified and which one isnt
