Quality Assurance Team wrote:

1. (M) Mapping Quality
   - Overdone jumps with little buildup leading to them, along with other gameplay issues. There are something that you didn’t fix or get them fixed properly after the last disqualification like 00:23:464 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -; 00:23:926 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) -; 00:33:157 (1,2,3,4) -; 03:52:541 (1,2,3) -; 03:52:849 (3,1) – etc. Please read the former reasons and examples.

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

1. (F) Formal Errors
   • 
     - Drain time is less than 5:00. This map starts from 00:00:388 - to 04:00:388 -, from 04:15:157 – to 05:11:464 - . The real play time is less than 5:00. 4:57 is not acceptable. For approval, it must be longer than 5:00.

• a) remove the breaktime and add random circles/sliders there
  b) add a 3 second slider at the end

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

1. (M) Mapping Quality
   - Overdone jumps with little buildup leading to them, along with other gameplay issues. There are something that you didn’t fix or get them fixed properly after the last disqualification like 00:23:464 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -; 00:23:926 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) -; 00:33:157 (1,2,3,4) -; 03:52:541 (1,2,3) -; 03:52:849 (3,1) – etc. Please read the former reasons and examples.

Kibbleru wrote:

just do the classic 1 circle on every downbeat in 04:00:388 - lol.

Jenny wrote:

Worst case I will add a 3 second slider on top of silence/remove the first break which will result in a huge loss in atmosphere and immersion, but at least it'll make it approvable by today's standards.

Kibbleru wrote:

just do the classic 1 circle on every downbeat in 04:00:388 - lol.

VINXIS wrote:

doesn't drain time not count spinnerz. If it doesn't then it's basically over 5 mins drain time lmfao that 1 spinner is 4+ seconds

MillhioreF wrote:

Drain time is incorrect when there's a slider or spinner at the end of the map (drain time only goes to the start of the slider/spinner). This map ends with a circle so that doesn't apply.

Neil Watts wrote:

and there's still no marathon map ranked below 5:00 since 2007.

Kyubey wrote:

Neil Watts wrote:

and there's still no marathon map ranked below 5:00 since 2007.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/101317
4:59:999 draintime
I wonder why wasn't it DQed.

Kyubey wrote:

Neil Watts wrote:

and there's still no marathon map ranked below 5:00 since 2007.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/101317
4:59:999 draintime
I wonder why wasn't it DQed.

Jenny wrote:

On another note, my previous post is unquotable and uneditable, so I presume we found ourselves a forum bug (also, the distance to the end-of-post borders is fucked up).

II Jelli II wrote:

stuff like this is why the mapping community is so inaccessible

Neil Watts wrote:

In the worst case, if you don't want to change anything, you can still slow down the BPM a bit, like -1 or -2. It won't be hearable, won't ruin the song quality (unless if you're slowing it down slightly) and will make your map a bit longer, to reach 5:00.

You'll indeed have to replace every single element and timing point in your map, but it's still a solution if you're not lazy or don't want to change your mapping.

In all cases, you'll have to reach 5:00 in order to rank it, because that's how the RC are, and there's still no marathon map ranked below 5:00 since 2007.
(except if the QAT decides to make an exception)

Good luck!

Neil Watts wrote:

there's still no marathon map ranked below 5:00 since 2007.
(except if the QAT decides to make an exception)

II Jelli II wrote:

Neil Watts wrote:

there's still no marathon map ranked below 5:00 since 2007.
(except if the QAT decides to make an exception)

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/38846
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/38846
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/45306
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/38697
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/36569
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/55560
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/34348
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/36988
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/53923
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/48842
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/17558
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/46238
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/44527
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/48979

seems like a lot of exceptions, or did they change the rules in 2012?

Blue Dragon wrote:

The 3-second thing cannot be fixed and isn't a real issue.

xxdeathx wrote:

I believe it's well known that 5 min is a hard requirement for approval and there are no exceptions, especially not for maps whose drain time falls a bit short.

TheGrimOfCrazy wrote:

I understand if it's impossible to make the map 5 minutes but Jenny has 3 seconds they can map so just map it lol.


The worst part is you actually have a way to not break said rule yet theres controversy over it...

Jenny wrote:

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

1. (F) Formal Errors
   • 
     - Drain time is less than 5:00. This map starts from 00:00:388 - to 04:00:388 -, from 04:15:157 – to 05:11:464 - . The real play time is less than 5:00. 4:57 is not acceptable. For approval, it must be longer than 5:00.

Okay, so what are the "solutions" to this artificial problem?

• a) remove the breaktime and add random circles/sliders there
  b) add a 3 second slider at the end

I do not see how any of these are going to increase the quality of the map, and let's just be honest, making a mapset for this song would not make a whole lot of sense either - not even counting the fact it'd be just about impossible to get anyone willing to spend their time modding a mapset of 7 difficulties, 4:57 minutes each for the artificial issue of this being "3 seconds too short".

An easy and normal difficulty would not make any sense to have on a song like this, specifically considering its length and intensity, so I believe we can agree that that is out of question - so what remains to do regarding this issue?

Artificially inflating the draintime just to fit a sheer numbers criteria? Adding random noise at the start or end of the song/slowing it down by 1% so that it'll last 3 seconds longer?
I don't see how either of those would help raise the quality of the map (or then-"set") in any way, sorry.



Concludingly said: I could probably work around doing something for the mentioned jumps, but for that I'd need the QATs involved to actually interact and talk things through with me and test out different patterns as to keep both the existing idea and conform to QAT standards - about the length, I do not think we can really argue. Worst case I will add a 3 second slider on top of silence/remove the first break which will result in a huge loss in atmosphere and immersion, but at least it'll make it approvable by today's standards.

Yauxo wrote:

xxdeathx wrote:

I believe it's well known that 5 min is a hard requirement for approval and there are no exceptions, especially not for maps whose drain time falls a bit short.

which is completely retarded.
Why do we have to go full nazi on things like this? I dont want to change the speed of the song or create a possible 7 diff spread, just because my map is two damn seconds short.
Also, what is the difference from a 4:58min 200 BPM song to a 5:10min 180 BPM song? It would have around the same amount of objects, assuming it would be the same map. Am I not allowed to qualify basically the same map, just because of these two seconds? There's no real logic beind that.

lolcubes wrote:

The original Approval rule was 4:30 and/or score above 18~20m, however that got nuked because, if I remember correctly, peppy decided (and posted somewhere on these forums, can't find it now) that all maps should actually aim for rank and not for approval. Approval was only meant to be for really special and unique maps, and true marathons, however longer songs were considered to be a marathon for some reason too.

ziin wrote:

lolcubes wrote:

The original Approval rule was 4:30 and/or score above 18~20m, however that got nuked because, if I remember correctly, peppy decided (and posted somewhere on these forums, can't find it now) that all maps should actually aim for rank and not for approval. Approval was only meant to be for really special and unique maps, and true marathons, however longer songs were considered to be a marathon for some reason too.

Make a 5 minute normal beatmap please.

Someone else make a post in ranking criteria to complain about the inanity of Easy/Normal difficulties longer than 3 minutes.

Unless of course Jenny can map a 1:30 normal and still get this ranked? or is that bad form?

Jenny wrote:

no diffs may end significantly early

ziin wrote:

Jenny wrote:

no diffs may end significantly early

I can't find that rule.

Mapping the break is the worst thing you could do in this situation.