13:04 Jenny: so chesist
13:04 cheesiest: hi jenny :3
13:04 Jenny: give mod/BN
13:04 Jenny: x:
13:05 cheesiest: send me your map and i will think abt it? i dunno if i can get to it
13:05 cheesiest: but i'll try
13:05 Jenny: well just look at it now
13:05 Jenny: and tell mw whether there's smth
13:05 Jenny: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/316050
13:05 Jenny: just firstglance or w/e
13:06 Jenny: SB is still in the workings with TicClick
13:06 cheesiest: ah kk :3
13:06 *cheesiest is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/704360 DragonForce - Cry Thunder [Legend]]
13:06 Jenny: that's how mods work
13:06 Jenny: first glance :p
13:06 Jenny: unless smth is oddly weird, in which case give it three looks for detailled reply
13:07 cheesiest: 00:10:541 (4) - !! perhaps you can curve this slider?
13:08 cheesiest: since the song doesn't really feel like a straight line slider. even a slight curve to fit the flow from 3 to 4 would be fine, i think
13:08 cheesiest: 00:14:234 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - nice B)
13:09 Jenny: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3224887 ?
13:09 cheesiest: yeah
13:09 cheesiest: actually that seems a bit uh
13:09 Jenny: k
13:10 cheesiest: like it's not too conflicting w/ the flow w/ 3 but
13:10 Jenny: curved it mooore
13:10 cheesiest: i suppose that's smooth enough
13:10 Jenny: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3224895
13:11 cheesiest: oh no i mean like not curved as much or @least angle of curve changed (which would mean like the end of the slider moves more to the left)
13:11 cheesiest: the latter i think would be "better" in terms of fitting the concept in but ye
13:12 Jenny: mhm
13:12 cheesiest: 00:33:618 (4) - is there reason for this being v close? o:
13:13 Jenny: draws more attention towards the middle again
13:14 Jenny: since previously, spacing is exaggerating
13:14 Jenny: so you get a strong snap becuase of the spacing contrast on 4
13:14 Jenny: into the spin
13:14 Jenny: rather than increasing up-down-up-down waving, you have to snap 4 in any case
13:14 cheesiest: ah, i see
13:14 cheesiest: i was gonna say you could rework it so 4 is still in the middle area but the other stuff moves
13:14 cheesiest: but ye i think your idea is better
13:16 cheesiest: 01:23:464 (1,2,3,4) - sicne like these are p much symmetrical
13:16 cheesiest: 01:24:388 (1,2,3,4) - i was thinking u could do it here too
13:16 cheesiest: it looks lopsided
13:17 Jenny: ?
13:17 Jenny: how much do you think I should rotate 3-4?
13:17 Jenny: -1o or smth
13:17 Jenny: or 10*
13:17 Jenny: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3224923 ?
13:21 Jenny: .
13:21 cheesiest: sorry, was on the phone
13:21 cheesiest: that seems good enough
13:21 cheesiest: i was thinking uh
13:21 cheesiest: you could just move it so it becomes symmetrical
13:25 cheesiest: this is real nice o:
13:25 cheesiest: 02:36:388 (3,4,5,6) - probably wasn't your aim but uh
13:25 cheesiest: you could maybe make this symmetryical
13:26 cheesiest: although that'd probably lose the emphasis you want
13:26 cheesiest: since that would mean 3->4 and 5->6 would hvae the same spacing
13:26 cheesiest: or, perhaps the flow change from 4->5->6 could provide emphasis
13:28 cheesiest: 02:43:772 (2,6) -
13:29 cheesiest: they're kinda weird since like i feel the first one doesn't fit as well as the second one does
13:30 cheesiest: i do see that you're trying to curve it a lot so it's not as intensive and so you'd have to focus a bit more on going through the slider
13:30 cheesiest: 02:45:618 (6) - i think it works here though with the sound that's introduced
13:32 Jenny: hm
13:33 Jenny: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3224991 ?
13:33 cheesiest: yeah
13:33 cheesiest: that's like p much what i did lmao
13:34 Jenny: mhm
13:34 Jenny: changed it a tiny bit
13:34 cheesiest: 02:59:003 (7,8,1,2) - perhaps you can do something with that guitar's beat patterning there? idk if it's an oversight or like you prefered keeping the same beat pattern with the drums or underlying guitar or w/e that is
13:35 Jenny: I prefer the drums tehre
13:35 Jenny: 02:57:618 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - these are perfect as-are
13:36 cheesiest: oh yeah i think those are fine
13:36 Jenny: 02:59:003 (7,8,1,2) - could replace this with tripple circle + double slider
13:36 Jenny: but not sure
13:37 cheesiest: 03:01:926 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18) - this seems a bit unpolished but uh idk i don't think it's of much importance since it does give a teardrop shape to it
13:37 cheesiest: and i suppose that's what you were going for
13:37 Jenny: it's not supposed to be a teardrop or circle
13:37 Jenny: the guitar is way too nutty for that
13:38 cheesiest: ah
13:38 Jenny: 03:01:464 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) -
13:38 Jenny: curve back and forth
13:38 Jenny: 03:02:464 (15,16,17,18) - exaggerating ending
13:39 cheesiest: hmm
13:39 cheesiest: i see
13:40 cheesiest: 03:16:080 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this could be seen as being offensive
13:40 Jenny: 03:23:464 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - perfect :V
13:40 Jenny: that entire section is like
13:40 Jenny: aaa
13:40 Jenny: 03:16:080 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I don't see how
13:41 cheesiest: im jokign lol
13:42 cheesiest: that part is stronk
13:42 cheesiest: but it's nice i think
13:42 Jenny: yes
13:42 Jenny: 03:28:541 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - this is just
13:42 Jenny: most godly
13:42 cheesiest: 03:52:541 (1,2,3) -
13:42 cheesiest: ZOOM
13:42 cheesiest: nyoom
13:43 cheesiest: 03:53:003 (1) - 89.72x this means unrank, disregard SV change
13:43 Jenny: why :p
13:43 cheesiest: oh no i was joking again ;w;
13:45 cheesiest: o:
13:45 cheesiest: nice map
13:46 Jenny: yes
13:46 Jenny: holy dicks of greenlines, too
13:46 Jenny: #handmade
13:46 cheesiest: ;w; greenlines

21:40 Jenny: :V
21:40 Jenny: how was the eating
21:41 Kyubey: pretty nice
21:41 Kyubey: rusian cousine is awesome
21:50 Jenny: so
21:50 Jenny: :V
21:50 Jenny: mind doing the opinionating now?
21:50 Kyubey: i can try
21:50 Kyubey: but don't promise any qualittyt
21:51 Kyubey: ty*
21:52 Jenny: qualititties >:
21:52 Jenny: quality opinions?
21:52 Jenny: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/316050
22:01 Kyubey: these slidershapes
22:01 Kyubey: i mean
22:01 Kyubey: streamshapes
22:01 Jenny: hmm? :V
22:01 Kyubey: you made them for raising the difficulty, didn't you?
22:02 Jenny: not really
22:02 Jenny: everyone keeps insisting I tried to push the star rating to 7 or smth :/
22:02 Jenny: I just legitimately thought it'd fit best with the guitar going absolute fucknuts
22:03 Jenny: it's the wildest and most distorted guitar solo in all DragonForce songs I have heard yet, after all
22:03 Kyubey: some moments are totally uncomfortable in them
22:04 Kyubey: 03:10:849 (5,6,1,2) - like this flow
22:04 Kyubey: it goes to and from different directions
22:04 Jenny: mean maps are uncomfortable
22:04 Jenny: :V
22:04 Jenny: will look at after League*
22:05 Kyubey: ok then i'll just point some things here
22:10 Kyubey: 02:52:849 (3,1) - didn't really like this antijump while playing
22:10 Kyubey: feels not that good after these jumps
22:12 Kyubey: 03:25:695 (6,7,8) - this feels too sharp, really sharp flow, maybe make it smoother?
22:13 Kyubey: 03:28:080 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) -
22:13 Kyubey: second part of this is pretty hard to notice after first one, make something different here please
22:15 Kyubey: 03:37:311 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - i'd point but i think you will not change it anyway
22:16 Kyubey: 03:45:003 (5,6,1,2) - too sharp, move second stream left a little
22:16 Kyubey: 03:48:311 (6,1) - same, i'd move second stream right a little
22:16 Kyubey: 03:52:541 (1,2,3,1) - nopnopnopnopnop
22:17 Kyubey: after such a jumps it's _impossible_ to get this slider is slow
22:17 Kyubey: make something to keep not that big spacing here and that will help to get that stream is slow
22:18 Kyubey: but flashes in storyboard on this slider look out of place
22:18 Kyubey: really out of place
22:20 Kyubey: 04:42:540 (14,15,1) - these jumps are totally unneeded here, compared to others in same parts these ones are too huge, reduce spacing here
22:23 Kyubey: btw your normal-sliderslide.wav is not that blank.wav RC provides
22:23 Kyubey: use http://up.ppy.sh/files/blank.wav
22:30 Kyubey: 03:56:464 - 03:56:925 - i don't think you need these red lines
22:30 Kyubey: they don't change anything
22:31 Kyubey: really nothing
22:33 Kyubey: btw i feel that 32.50 bpm section as 65 one
22:33 Jenny: 24-30!
22:34 Kyubey: but more i think that line is unneeded
22:36 Kyubey: and probably next one too if offset doesn't change
22:36 Jenny: probably yeah
22:36 Jenny: game still going
22:36 Jenny: http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Albus+Dingledoo
22:37 Kyubey: last time i played LoL in 2012
22:38 Kyubey: damn i got a headache of dragonforce
22:40 Jenny: w0t
22:40 Kyubey: too much of loud music
22:42 Jenny: I have my headphones at minimum volume 90% of the time
22:42 Jenny: + osu at 4.5-6%
22:42 Jenny: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3225579
22:42 Kyubey: dragonforce is pretty loud itself
22:50 Jenny: 02:52:849 (3,1) - I actually really like these since the contrast in spacing and angle requires you to play it entirely different from the previous patterns (big spacing, rightwards, now close spacing + leftwards)
22:53 Jenny: 03:45:003 (5,6,1,2) - moved so 5-6-1 make an actual triangle
22:54 Jenny: 03:48:234 (5,6,1) - also a triangle now
22:54 Jenny: 03:48:695 (5,6,1) - same
22:55 Jenny: 03:52:541 (1,2,3,1) - that slider was not supposed to have flashes actually; it was supposed to have a BG pulse that slowly fades
22:55 Kyubey: fix flashes then
22:56 Jenny: [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3225634 any better?]
22:56 Kyubey: yeah
22:56 Jenny: yeah, I put it in the PM to Tic
22:56 Jenny: he's gonna do a bit more SBing in general later
22:56 Kyubey: oh he made the sb?
22:56 Jenny: I don't want to give up the jumps before the big slider, really
22:56 Jenny: the original SB is by Rice, Tic restructured it and does things to it for me now
22:56 Kyubey: oh
22:57 Jenny: nicepulses are a new new thing
22:57 Kyubey: about slider: thing you showed me should be fine
22:57 Jenny: mhm
22:57 Kyubey: btw 03:28:541 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - hardly suggest to change because it's getting covered by previous stream and that makes it hard to notice
22:58 Jenny: http://puu.sh/ig8mF/45c8e58ad7.png
22:58 Jenny: eh
22:58 Jenny: it's not really like anyone uses combobreaks anymore anyway
22:58 Jenny: uhm
22:58 Jenny: hitbursts*
22:59 Kyubey: It's not about hitbursts
22:59 Jenny: it's also not visible until after the red combo is finished; https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3225648
22:59 Jenny: approach circle gets into vision range at about grey 2-4
22:59 Kyubey: when you play something like that you don't expect to have more objects in same place
22:59 Jenny: I'd really like to try and keep it tbh
23:00 Jenny: since this entire section just works so incredibly well atm
23:00 Kyubey:
23:00 Jenny: >:
23:00 Kyubey: then hope QATs won't point at it
23:00 Kyubey: because i showed what felt bad from player's side
23:01 Jenny: hmhm
23:02 Jenny: I'll ask around more for it, I guess
23:02 Jenny: http://puu.sh/ig8HE/1cde5ee2b8.png
23:02 Jenny: I really really love how this works out as-is, that's the thing
23:02 Kyubey: yes, i see that flow is nice, but problem is covering
23:02 Kyubey: well you can increase ar for that lol
23:04 Jenny: I did increase it t0 9.2 :p
23:04 Jenny: http://puu.sh/ig8SG/3bdea9ce2c.png
23:04 Jenny: with 9 I could see the issue, it's why I increased it
23:04 Jenny: maybe I can raise it to 9.3 but I really don't want to go any further than that
23:04 Kyubey: at least 9.3
23:04 Jenny: (I /really/ love this section <_<)
23:04 Kyubey: i do understand, you can leave that if you want
23:05 Kyubey: i just suggested things
23:05 Jenny: mhm
23:05 Jenny: I'll put it to 9.3
23:05 Jenny: wo't hurt anything else really, but I want to keep it below .4
23:06 Kyubey: 9.3 would work bettet because, sadly, most of players can't read 9 and below nowadays
23:06 Kyubey: better*
23:06 Jenny: anything higher feels like it'd probably ruin the slider-circle-slider-circle main jumpy parts of the song
23:06 Jenny: back in my day, players needed to learn the maps, not the mappers to learn to cater to players :V
23:06 Jenny: back then, we didn't get treated like this was our profession without receiving a single cent for it :V
23:07 Jenny: **a profession in which the only purpose is to appeal to as large an audience as possible, not to be as polished as possible.
23:07 Jenny: IT'S LIKE MARKETTING!???
23:07 Kyubey: I wish i joined osu like in 2010
23:07 Jenny: warning, I may still have a slight bit of alcohols in my blood.
23:07 Kyubey: nah thats ok
23:08 Jenny: but yeah, uploaded
23:08 Jenny: mind doing a forum post?
23:08 Kyubey: okay

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