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Rockageek wrote:
the map still looks awful on ctb but who cares about ctb..
let's rank a map harder than almost all TAG4..
let's rank https://osu.ppy.sh/s/120515
It's good to see a variety of mapping style in the ranked maps instead of a spam of 2015 beatmap styles that allow them to pass the Qualified section.
It might look poor quality to some people, yet it also looks good to some people as well, and there are relationship between the map and song so I hope it passes qualified. ~~
It might look poor quality to some people, yet it also looks good to some people as well, and there are relationship between the map and song so I hope it passes qualified. ~~
no way..
Let's requalify a map without adressing any of the unqualifying reasons. What could go wrong?
100% ready for rankStorm- wrote:
let's rank https://osu.ppy.sh/s/120515
Sieg wrote:
don't be butthurt guys. embrace it.
only then can you become a true hokage.
only then can you become a true hokage.
Sieg wrote:
Exactly what i'm thinking.FrostxE wrote:
It's good to see a variety of mapping style in the ranked maps instead of a spam of 2015 beatmap styles that allow them to pass the Qualified section.
It might look poor quality to some people, yet it also looks good to some people as well, and there are relationship between the map and song so I hope it passes qualified. ~~
really good
Other than the extreme Slider velocities and visually messy patterns, which aren't even that bad, what actually bothers me about this map is the rhythms on some parts, which seem to be completely off at some points with little to no relation to music. If those things woulda been improved, i feel like the map would feel much better.
Examples would be
00:38:308 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - which is a 7 circle stream mapped on a 5 1/4s pattern
01:19:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Where the slider rhythms are not matching the actual beats in the music
01:19:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - where there's no note to emphasize the beat in the music
01:41:641 (21,22,23) - which i dont understand at all, what sound is (22) supposed to follow
01:42:724 (2) - which is entirely offbeat
02:00:808 (3) - which is a 1/2 slider mapped on a 1/4 triple
I know this may be late since it's requalified already, but please consider it in case it gets dq'd again.
And now, back to spectator mode.
Examples would be
00:38:308 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - which is a 7 circle stream mapped on a 5 1/4s pattern
01:19:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Where the slider rhythms are not matching the actual beats in the music
01:19:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - where there's no note to emphasize the beat in the music
01:41:641 (21,22,23) - which i dont understand at all, what sound is (22) supposed to follow
01:42:724 (2) - which is entirely offbeat
02:00:808 (3) - which is a 1/2 slider mapped on a 1/4 triple
I know this may be late since it's requalified already, but please consider it in case it gets dq'd again.
And now, back to spectator mode.
Imagine a new combo on the 5, so 1234 - 123Zare wrote:
Examples would be
00:38:308 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - which is a 7 circle stream mapped on a 5 1/4s pattern
The 123 is based off of the repeating noise, as followed by the other stacked streams later.
12341 is the piano.
The 5 is a combination of both parts of the music, that's why it looks confusing.
01:19:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Where the slider rhythms are not matching the actual beats in the musicMimicking synth, followed up by sliders going with the synth later.
01:19:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - where there's no note to emphasize the beat in the music
Synth dropped at 01:20:390 - , but strong beat at 01:20:474 - , then synth picks back up at 01:20:640 -
So that's why it's all sliders, every start is a strong beat.
01:41:641 (21,22,23) - which i dont understand at all, what sound is (22) supposed to followThe synth reaching its peak pitch. 3/4 rhythm, notice starts of 21, 22, and 23 are 3/4 apart.
01:42:724 (2) - which is entirely offbeatThis one could actually be a mistake, perhaps a solution would be http://puu.sh/hqGG5/7881a3218b.jpg
The circlestream jump is definitely intentional for emphasis but it might not be in the right place.
02:00:808 (3) - which is a 1/2 slider mapped on a 1/4 tripleHear the strings in the background? It's switched to that.
02:00:307 - Marks a switch to a calmer focus, as noted in the Another where it's literally a drain section.
Anyway yeah, the 01:42:724 is definitely good to point out.
The map is probably going to get unqualified for some form of reason, but I'd like to ask that if it DOES get unqualified, that it gets unqualified with good, relevant reasons. There's nothing worse than a post that says "this sucks, remap it because I don't understand it".
I think that the recent unqualifications have shown us that the QATs are forcing mappers to use a certain style of mapping in order to get their maps ranked. Everything that isn't mapped to the same mold as most maps nowadays do, get DQd several times before maybe getting ranked. I know, the popular mapping style that's being enforced is easy to read, mostly fun to play and gives a lot of pp. But different styles should still be allowed.
This map brings back vibes from older maps, and even though all people might not appreciate the oldschool mapping style, this map shouldn't be judged by it's style only. There are indeed some weird choices that should maybe get revised, but please don't try to squash every single map into the same mold.
This map brings back vibes from older maps, and even though all people might not appreciate the oldschool mapping style, this map shouldn't be judged by it's style only. There are indeed some weird choices that should maybe get revised, but please don't try to squash every single map into the same mold.
O, grats~
Perhaps it will make it to the ranked section this time~
It's hard to say what quality is, in the end players decide for themselves if they like the map and want to play it or not
Perhaps it will make it to the ranked section this time~
It's hard to say what quality is, in the end players decide for themselves if they like the map and want to play it or not
^Charles445 wrote:
The map is probably going to get unqualified for some form of reason, but I'd like to ask that if it DOES get unqualified, that it gets unqualified with good, relevant reasons. There's nothing worse than a post that says "this sucks, remap it because I don't understand it".
Still one of my favorite maps, regrats!
不会欣赏艺术的人真是糟糕 EDIT:有人又代表Q（自）AT（己）执行正义啦！
If that's the case, then by your definition we should just neglect any sort of guideline/standards that have been established as of recent and map whatever we want, however we want.joolomasta wrote:
I think that the recent unqualifications have shown us that the QATs are forcing mappers to use a certain style of mapping in order to get their maps ranked. Everything that isn't mapped to the same mold as most maps nowadays do, get DQd several times before maybe getting ranked. I know, the popular mapping style that's being enforced is easy to read, mostly fun to play and gives a lot of pp. But different styles should still be allowed.
This map brings back vibes from older maps, and even though all people might not appreciate the oldschool mapping style, this map shouldn't be judged by it's style only. There are indeed some weird choices that should maybe get revised, but please don't try to squash every single map into the same mold.
This map was made in 2011, and to call it a "style" of mapping is wrong in itself because of how low the standards were during that time compared to now. If low quality is a "style", then there are LOTS of graveyarded maps that should be ranked. I have nothing against unorthodox styles, in fact, I'm all for "different", but we should carefully reevaluate what kind of maps we're trying to promote in osu!
We're not cavemen anymore people...
Well shit, I'm in trouble D:joolomasta wrote:
I think that the recent unqualifications have shown us that the QATs are forcing mappers to use a certain style of mapping in order to get their maps ranked. Everything that isn't mapped to the same mold as most maps nowadays do, get DQd several times before maybe getting ranked. I know, the popular mapping style that's being enforced is easy to read, mostly fun to play and gives a lot of pp. But different styles should still be allowed.
Also the style that is currently popular is nowhere easy to read, it relies on gimmicks and generally confusing/unintuitive patterns to provide with challenge
let this get ranked and let players decide whether or not this is good ?joolomasta wrote:
This map brings back vibes from older maps, and even though all people might not appreciate the oldschool mapping style, this map shouldn't be judged by it's style only. There are indeed some weird choices that should maybe get revised, but please don't try to squash every single map into the same mold.
I'm ok with that, I dislike this map because it's the kind of style I enjoy playing and I disagree with a majority of the choices, but that's how soulfear wanted to map it so that's acceptable
A few things I'm still surprised about in Sayaka difficulty.
00:42:474 (7) - How does this make any sense? Not only is there no musical cue for such a sudden jump, but the flow coming onto it is completely backwards, and it feels like something you'd see in a TAG4 map.
00:53:808 (11) - The spacing is noticeably off here compared to the rest of the stream, it should be one grid lower on grid4.
00:57:558 (1,2) - The slider velocity here doubles with completely no warning, unless you're able to read the approach circles of the next sliders and see that they're slightly more dense. I know this kind of stuff happens all the time in older maps, but that doesn't make it magically readable.
01:16:974 (4,5,1) - The overlapping here is ugly as sin. I mean, I guess it flows well, so it doesn't need to be changed, but it still makes me barf to look at.
01:50:141 (1) - The end of this slider is actually outside the grid by one or two osupixels. Pretty sure that's unrankable.
01:50:141 (1,1,1) - This feels really horrible to play with the way you keep having to snap back. Could just be me, but I just can't get behind it.
There's plenty more stylistic choices that I don't really like (as well as really janky distance spacing on most streams due to grid snapping) but most of them are excusable as a relic of the time. Someone should really check that one slider though, at the very least.
00:42:474 (7) - How does this make any sense? Not only is there no musical cue for such a sudden jump, but the flow coming onto it is completely backwards, and it feels like something you'd see in a TAG4 map.
00:53:808 (11) - The spacing is noticeably off here compared to the rest of the stream, it should be one grid lower on grid4.
00:57:558 (1,2) - The slider velocity here doubles with completely no warning, unless you're able to read the approach circles of the next sliders and see that they're slightly more dense. I know this kind of stuff happens all the time in older maps, but that doesn't make it magically readable.
01:16:974 (4,5,1) - The overlapping here is ugly as sin. I mean, I guess it flows well, so it doesn't need to be changed, but it still makes me barf to look at.
01:50:141 (1) - The end of this slider is actually outside the grid by one or two osupixels. Pretty sure that's unrankable.
01:50:141 (1,1,1) - This feels really horrible to play with the way you keep having to snap back. Could just be me, but I just can't get behind it.
There's plenty more stylistic choices that I don't really like (as well as really janky distance spacing on most streams due to grid snapping) but most of them are excusable as a relic of the time. Someone should really check that one slider though, at the very least.
I loveFrostxE wrote:
It's good to see a variety of mapping style in the ranked maps instead of a spam of 2015 beatmap styles that allow them to pass the Qualified section.
It might look poor quality to some people, yet it also looks good to some people as well, and there are relationship between the map and song so I hope it passes qualified. ~~
おめでとう！
I think during the ranking process, every other game mode should have been considered as well. I know this is an old map, but I though the same 4 years ago and even now. Auto can handle this in CtB but thats because it is dashing faster than any human could. If this goes through so be it, else the patterns around the end should be changed a little to make it easier to handle. I'm not speaking about complete remap or anything like that, just a small velocity change to make those sliders easier a bit.
Anyway, I think the map is quite enjoyable though [Fear] was way better. Congrats~
Maybe Exgon will fc this.
Anyway, I think the map is quite enjoyable though [Fear] was way better. Congrats~
Maybe Exgon will fc this.
This is a really good way to think about submission and ranking, everyone should think like this.Kurokami wrote:
I think during the ranking process, every other game mode should have been considered as well.
Unfortunately no one cares about other mods when it comes to std map ranking.
because this map was made for standard, not for CTB.Rockageek wrote:
This is a really good way to think about submission and ranking, everyone should think like this.Kurokami wrote:
I think during the ranking process, every other game mode should have been considered as well.
Unfortunately no one cares about other mods when it comes to std map ranking.
can you imagine how fucked up all maps would be if you had to take all 4 modes into consideration?
Sayaka actually has two offscreen sliders, one mentioned already by MillhioreF
01:50:141 (1) - Offscreen
01:51:974 (1) - Even more offscreen
Just sayin
01:50:141 (1) - Offscreen
01:51:974 (1) - Even more offscreen
Just sayin
I never said everything needs to be mapping for all game mode, but there are patterns which are pretty much makes the map unfcable in specific modes.SnickarN wrote:
because this map was made for standard, not for CTB.
can you imagine how fucked up all maps would be if you had to take all 4 modes into consideration?
For example
Taiko (which based on hitsounds only): dddddddddddKddddddd <- Here you can't press both kat at the same time because of the don stream above a certain bpm. This makes the map impossible to SS. Obviously unrankable.
CtB (based on horizontal axis): There are some bpm+SV combo where sliders practically becomes impossible to handle for any human. You can see similar patterns in this map. Using mods usually fix these problem, but we can't rely on them. Obviously, if the map can't be fc'd its unrankable.
I know nothing about mania though.
Taking the three other modes into consideration would make standard mapping itself incredibly difficult and restricting. You'd have to be able to control quality gameplay and flow for ALL FOUR MODES, especially considering how diverse each of them are.
Just make your own mapset, you're not constricted by one map per song.
Just make your own mapset, you're not constricted by one map per song.
Converts are irrelevant for modes other than the one they are intended for. If one map does not convert well, that's unfortunate, but it matters not.
inb4
inb4
Greetings soulfear, on behalf of the QAT I must disqualify this beatmap again due to the following issues:
The BNG will handle the requalification. Please take more consideration into the points we have outlined, and those who have posted in the thread. Good luck!
- The spread between the hyper and another is still too large. The hyper is way too easy in comparison to the another. The another is just a semi-toned down version of the Sayaka. The best option would be to create another difficulty to close the gap between the two.
- There are still gameplay issues present throughout all of the difficulties. MillhioreF brings up good points that you should read into. Subsequently, our issues that we have presented should not be brushed off, and should be considered.
- The lower difficulties still have issues regarding flow and playability. In particular the Easy difficulty, there are too many poor flowing patterns and hard gameplay that is unacceptable for the lowest difficulty. The normal still contains awkward overlaps, slider shapes, and flow patterns. Please reevaluate them by examining them and acquiring more mods.
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卡位
oh ffs
Actually I figured they'd DQ over spread, so I made another Another difficulty to try and fit the gap.
It's 4.7 stars, but it's MUCH easier than the Another.
soulfear: I made a difficulty for you to put in the set if you want, it's 4.7 stars and can help fix spread. It is also based on the existing set style. <Another445>
If you add it, just put Charles445 in tags.
Easy -> Normal -> Hyper -> Another445 -> Another -> Sayaka
Oh and uh, video preview if you have access to youtube
Actually I figured they'd DQ over spread, so I made another Another difficulty to try and fit the gap.
It's 4.7 stars, but it's MUCH easier than the Another.
soulfear: I made a difficulty for you to put in the set if you want, it's 4.7 stars and can help fix spread. It is also based on the existing set style. <Another445>
If you add it, just put Charles445 in tags.
Easy -> Normal -> Hyper -> Another445 -> Another -> Sayaka
Another445
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Lmao, what a legend! Good on you man.Charles445 wrote:
Actually I figured they'd DQ over spread, so I made another Another difficulty to try and fit the gap.
Nice one Charles
ripOwntrolf wrote:
people die when they are killed
Added preview to post because osu files are cumbersome
How to kill someone that has no life ?Owntrolf wrote:
people die when they are killed
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Uhhh Looks like there was a miscommunication between BNs and the QAT who disqualified this set.
This second DQ could have been avoided.
Awh well, Charles's GD needs some mods, i'll give my mod soon.