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Miki Sayaka vs. Miki Sayaka (fw. Miki Sayaka) - squartatrice

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dqs01733
wow, very impressive.
Rockageek
Honestly, the last diff should be totally remapped, the slider velocity is really too high on some parts and some notes are stacked too much.
Lance
How did this get qualified with that spread... With the amount of disqualifications due to spread recently you'd think closer attention would be paid to it.
fanzhen0019
我操 牛逼啊!!!!!!!!!
fanzhen0019
rip 4000bpm
Constantine

Seph wrote:

TFW STAR RATING IS HIGHER ON CTB THAN STANDARD

RIP CTB

GRATS FEAR ILY SO MUCH
Kodora

fanzhen0019 wrote:

rip 4000bpm
ahhhh I have old ver on my pc! :c
YesMyDarknesss
plz
MomoPrecil

Seph wrote:

TFW STAR RATING IS HIGHER ON CTB THAN STANDARD

RIP CTB

GRATS FEAR ILY SO MUCH
Chloe
我操 摆个但
Ayesha Altugle
Is this map one of the early signs of 2015 mapping before?
Flask
wpcap
Avena
idk what to think about this tbh
gratz anyways i guess
BrosephStalin
If this gets DQ'ed (Which imo it probably should, I don't care who you are, standards are standards), then you might expect a giant nazimod coming in from yours truly.

Stay tuned~
Leader
I'm really surprised to see something like this into qualified section, it's 2015 and I'm pretty sure you can make something much better than this...

I'm sorry to say this, but the map really looks like it has been ranked just because you are the well-known soulfear and not because it has reached a certain standard.
Tarrasky
Normal and Hyper sounds really cool, Easy have some moments with lacks good flow, the transition is clearly not good for beginners, like 00:22:641 (2,3,4) - 01:27:308 (1,2,3,4,5) -, but it is acceptable. But in Another and Sayaka we cleary look neglect, since NC consistency (01:23:974 (1,1) - in Another) and so many other patterns that were forced to be "ugly".
I know that is your style, you make like this because you like, and i respect, but is not just personal taste charting be a map ranked, I'm pretty sure that many other bn/qat who were demanding with novice mappers, and having learned early on to make beautiful sliders and attractive flows, and I think you are throwing in the face of that majority who thinks so, saying "I can,only I can". This may not be your intention, but I'm sure many novice mappers are discouraging seeing they work to make something beautiful as "a good mapper" do anything and can rank
Monstrata
I have to agree with Leader... maps should be ranked based on their quality, not based on who mapped it :P.

I'm going respect your mapping style, but I feel I need to point this out... from going through this thread, the Sayaka difficulty was only modded by two people in the last 3 years, and one of those modders, a BN at that, was completely ignored. You don't have to be a BN or experienced mapper to see that this mapset could really benefit from further modding.

Anyways, good luck getting past qualified.
ziin
Should be D/Q for wrong time signature.

Low wrote:

From disqus because people can't post in the thread:

If I'm not mistaken this audio file is converted from the -WITCH- BMS chart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwYgWBJtSso
As far as I know, this version isn't from the original BOF2011 submission, but created by a 3rd party.
So looks like the name should be squartatrice -WITCH-

Leader wrote:

I'm really surprised to see something like this into qualified section, it's 2015 and I'm pretty sure you can make something much better than this...

I'm sorry to say this, but the map really looks like it has been ranked just because you are the well-known soulfear and not because it has reached a certain standard.
Certain parts are remapped from the old version:
old version
osu file format v9

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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 676
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Artist:gmtn vs. kozato
Creator:Fear
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Tags:ruze P Miki Sayaka soulfear inaba-tan Thite Rein0527

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Zare

can i say this map is shit of bad quality now
winber1

Zare wrote:


can i say this map is shit of bad quality now
no
Lust
Greetings, soulfear! My apologies, but on behalf of the QAT I must disqualify this beatmap for the following reasons:
  1. Insufficient and poor quality across all difficulties within the mapset
  2. The video is of very poor quality. Either find a new one or remove it.
  3. Spread issues throughout the mapset. In particular, the spread between the normal, hyper, and another is too uneven.
  4. The way the patterns flow in the easy difficulty are way too complicated for the lowest diff of the set, most noticeably from 00:02:641 (1) - to 00:42:641 (1) - . This is due to the repeats and amount of close single tap that populates the map. The spacing makes all the notes overlap which can be confusing as well as awkward (little to no movement at all)
  5. In the hyper diff, 01:41:641 (1,1) - the slider can be hard to notice on the default skin due to how the default spinner is colored. The blue combo color here makes it pretty difficult. You can fix this by selecting a different combo color through the new combo option in the editor.
  6. Refer back to ziin's post concerning the timing sections and metadata

As you can see, the QAT is not pleased with the quality found throughout the set - especially the Sayaka difficulty. The following is a list of concerns found in the mapset. Be aware we are not going to list out every instance of poor execution or implementation, it is up to you to apply these changes as you see fit.

[Sayaka]
This difficulty lacks heavily in quality. The gameplay and design flaws are systematic - they range from poor flow, bad beat placement, erratic slider velocity changes, object placement with little basis in the music, and forced gameplay. What is pointed out here are certain concerns that can be found all throughout the map, so be sure to correct and revise them.
  1. 00:03:974 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - These back and forth movements are way too jerky, as there isn't much momentum coming from the previous pattern at all. These types of patterns are common throughout the map, I recommend you go and look through the map and examine any and all instances of poor movement and revise them
  2. 00:09:141 (10,1) - Poor emphasis and inconsistent spacing on 1. Before and afterwards you had larger spacing to accommodate the change in rhythm, here you seemed to disregard that for seemingly no reason
  3. 00:09:641 (3,4,5,6,7) - Cramped stream shape that doesn't flow very well from the previous pattern. They cut back from before, and as a result feel very forced. There are other instances of poor slider shapes/angles, go through the difficulty and see if you can fix all of these
  4. 00:12:808 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - overmappy/overdone stream that comes out of nowhere. Since the movements throughout all the patterns are very linear, there needs to be more momentum for a player to push through this stream comfortably.
  5. 00:14:641 (1) - to 00:24:474 (1) - The mapper throws consistent spacing, musical emphasis, and beat placement out of the window here. It seems randomly placed, as if the mapper wishes to fit everything to a pattern as opposed to fitting it to the music. This can be very confusing, plus with the lack of sliders the momentum is not there for the players to cruise through this. This whole section needs to be revised.
  6. 00:42:641 (1) - to 00:50:530 (1) - the NC and slider spam is painful to play. Everything in this section is poorly executed due to the fast pace of the sliders and little to no momentum and flow to carry the player through it all
  7. 00:54:641 (1) - to 00:58:474 (1) - ^
  8. 01:13:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - The amount of movement to play all of these is brutal and nonsensical. Sure its the hardest diff, but this is pushing the boundaries a bit too much, especially since they don't fit the music too well (should be saved for a more extreme section, not for a common sounding area)
  9. 01:44:308 (1) - to 01:54:974 (1) - . This section has major issues with flow and gameplay mechanics. Tons of fast paced sliders that are too unituitive, circles stacked underneath slider heads that can be difficult to see, etc. This area needs quite a bit of revision as well
[Another]
A lot of the patterns play on tight angles and little to no momentum, which can be quite the issue. A lot of which we have pointed out the in Sayaka diff, can be applied to here as well. Consistency and poor flow needs to be corrected

[Hyper]
This is way, way to easy in comparison to the Another. This difficulty is mostly 1/2, while the Another is filled with jumps and 1/4. What we have stated in the Sayaka difficulty with the flow breaks and inconsistency can apply here as well.

[Normal + Easy]
The flow issues and poor pattern placement fill these difficulties. The issues range from poor overlaps (00:45:974 (3,5) - and 00:49:974 (3,4,1) -in the normal), awkward slider shapes that flow erratically (especially in the normal), and poor flow from object to object in the easy difficulty. We have stated this issue earlier in the post, however this is just to reiterate.

In conclusion, we are not satisfied with this qualification. There needs to be tons of revision needed before this map can even be considered for the ranked status. The BNG will handle the requalification process, good luck!
Zare
oh this gon be gud
winber1

Lust wrote:

[Sayaka]
This difficulty lacks heavily in quality.
You know, this never gets anywhere when soulfear is involved, as in it's not really objectively lacking in quality. Over and over again, fear's maps have also had this kind of quality and it's like the stigma of skystar, you either like it or you don't :/ I've always liked fear's maps because of, in my opinion, the fluid kind of flow that he is able to get, and it's a kind of flow I've never been able to get. And go figure, I enjoy skystar maps as well. As a mapper, it's not like my words are coming out of my ass, though.

It just annoys me when people say maps like these lacking in quality, because really it's just an opinion and a debatable one at taht. Perhaps I'm too oldgen now, who knows.

I just think there needs to be more appreciation, and if not appreciation, at least no condemnation. like damn, basic logistical information are whatever, but the amount of hate is unreal.

i guess we'll just see how soulfear responds, but i don't think he'll take these suggestions fully to heart. and i ain't tryna start no argument, mun
Ethercastle

winber1 wrote:

Lust wrote:

[Sayaka]
This difficulty lacks heavily in quality.
You know, this never gets anywhere when soulfear is involved, as in it's not really objectively lacking in quality. Over and over again, fear's maps have also had this kind of quality and it's like the stigma of skystar, you either like it or you don't :/ I've always liked fear's maps because of, in my opinion, the fluid kind of flow that he is able to get, and it's a kind of flow I've never been able to get. And go figure, I enjoy skystar maps as well. As a mapper, it's not like my words are coming out of my ass, though.

It just annoys me when people say maps like these lacking in quality, because really it's just an opinion and a debatable one at taht. Perhaps I'm too oldgen now, who knows.

I just think there needs to be more appreciation, and if not appreciation, at least no condemnation. like damn, basic logistical information are whatever, but the amount of hate is unreal.

i guess we'll just see how soulfear responds, but i don't think he'll take these suggestions fully to heart. and i ain't tryna start no argument, mun
^this

things like 00:03:974 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4), 00:09:641 (3,4,5,6,7) and 00:42:641 (1) - to 00:50:530 (1) that were pointed out as examples of lack of quality are actually some of my favorite parts of the map

Whilst I do agree that the map could be polished, I feel that opinions concerning subjective understanding of the music should never be used to justify quality issues.

Not trying to argue against dq though. Just my two cents
ziin

Lust wrote:

The video is of very poor quality. Either find a new one or remove it.
I don't think that there is much of an issue with the quality and it would be a shame to remove it. I think the issue is with how osu zooms in on 1:1 videos to become 1:0.5625 on widescreen and 1:0.75 on standard.
Here's the original quality for comparison: https://copy.com/fAF7afYhTXJEHlG9
Here's a 16:9 with black borders and compression: https://copy.com/b6DlHf0W7Z0BUSNK
Here's a 16:9 with even more black borders and compression: https://copy.com/AnJweCjufzTlF1Nl

Or just use the one I made in the ranked version.

winber1 wrote:

It just annoys me when people say maps like these lacking in quality, because really it's just an opinion and a debatable one at taht. Perhaps I'm too oldgen now, who knows.
Personally this looks like all other chinese maps I'm used to seeing and there are many people who like them, otherwise they wouldn't keep getting mapped and ranked. "object placement with little basis in the music" has never been a high priority for the majority of osu anyway as seen by Val0108 and nold_1072 to name 2. I believe by "quality" there are a few things that can be improved on:
[sayaka]
The placement of virtually all the compressed streams is manually done via grid snap, when it's so much better to turn off grid snap for the middle notes and use a constant compression spacing. Some are 0.3 others are 0.4, and this lack of consistency looks bad.
01:33:641 (9) - http://i.imgur.com/0o239pn.png I know this was placed here purposefully, but to the untrained eye, it looks bad and doesn't really play well.
Grunt
I had a good time playing this map, hopefully it can keep its spirit through the ranking process....
Bearizm

ziin wrote:

Personally this looks like all other chinese maps I'm used to seeing and there are many people who like them, otherwise they wouldn't keep getting mapped and ranked. "object placement with little basis in the music" has never been a high priority for the majority of osu anyway as seen by Val0108 and nold_1072 to name 2.
.

x')

removed my post cuz it seems unecessary lol

It's funny how this got through the qualification process, in all honesty.
Cherry Blossom
Awh D:
Unfortunately, I expected some of these DQ reasons ;w;
To be honest, i don't really think that soulfear's maps are well designed for rank, since 2014, people are more exigent with everything, mapping is just evolving.
I really enjoy soulfear's maps, i improved a lot my playing skills with his maps. But it looks sad that his style does not really fit with the quality required.
fartownik
gg
Ayesha Altugle
Isn't the BG size unrankable? Or my eyes are just burned? Will check again tomorrow.
BrosephStalin

winber1 wrote:

Lust wrote:

[Sayaka]
This difficulty lacks heavily in quality.
You know, this never gets anywhere when soulfear is involved, as in it's not really objectively lacking in quality. Over and over again, fear's maps have also had this kind of quality and it's like the stigma of skystar, you either like it or you don't :/ I've always liked fear's maps because of, in my opinion, the fluid kind of flow that he is able to get, and it's a kind of flow I've never been able to get. And go figure, I enjoy skystar maps as well. As a mapper, it's not like my words are coming out of my ass, though.

It just annoys me when people say maps like these lacking in quality, because really it's just an opinion and a debatable one at taht. Perhaps I'm too oldgen now, who knows.

I just think there needs to be more appreciation, and if not appreciation, at least no condemnation. like damn, basic logistical information are whatever, but the amount of hate is unreal.

i guess we'll just see how soulfear responds, but i don't think he'll take these suggestions fully to heart. and i ain't tryna start no argument, mun
Actually, it is objectively lacking in quality (Sorry, soulfear). The streams are noticeably inconsistent in spacing and comboing, many notes are practically invisible when using default skin, and as Lust pointed out, the lower difficulties are (to say the least) hardly "rankabke." I am currently at school, so I cannot provide specific examples; however you should expect a semi-detailed mod if/when Lust's mod is applied.

I'm looking forward to it~
Flask
(facepalm)
Ethercastle

BrosephStalin wrote:

winber1 wrote:

You know, this never gets anywhere when soulfear is involved, as in it's not really objectively lacking in quality. Over and over again, fear's maps have also had this kind of quality and it's like the stigma of skystar, you either like it or you don't :/ I've always liked fear's maps because of, in my opinion, the fluid kind of flow that he is able to get, and it's a kind of flow I've never been able to get. And go figure, I enjoy skystar maps as well. As a mapper, it's not like my words are coming out of my ass, though.

It just annoys me when people say maps like these lacking in quality, because really it's just an opinion and a debatable one at taht. Perhaps I'm too oldgen now, who knows.

I just think there needs to be more appreciation, and if not appreciation, at least no condemnation. like damn, basic logistical information are whatever, but the amount of hate is unreal.

i guess we'll just see how soulfear responds, but i don't think he'll take these suggestions fully to heart. and i ain't tryna start no argument, mun
Actually, it is objectively lacking in quality (Sorry, soulfear). The streams are noticeably inconsistent in spacing and comboing, many notes are practically invisible when using default skin, and as Lust pointed out, the lower difficulties are (to say the least) hardly "rankabke." I am currently at school, so I cannot provide specific examples; however you should expect a semi-detailed mod if/when Lust's mod is applied.

I'm looking forward to it~
Yet "some parts are lack of objective quality" does not mean that "every claim about lack of quality is objective". I also don't feel "inconsistent spacing and comboing", in this context, has an objective standard, though I agree that the map does not meet the quality standard in various ways.

My point is that, even when the map obviously feels wrong, it is a non-trivial task to list out the actual problems. Making up a list of problems that are subjective is not a good practice. People should really try harder to differentiate between suggestions that correct objective faults and suggestions that are merely forcing a particular view of mapping. I am not saying that the former is not done, I just feel that some of the latter are, inadvertently or not, mixed in.

Again just my two cents. I'm not disagreeing with the DQ itself, just with the justification.
OSUjanaiKATSURAda
i don't think he will try to rerank it again, just Lock theis Thread.
winber1
meh, not gonna really say anything, except that maps these days seem to be regressing into uniformity even more so than before.
Lokovodo
this thread.
/me gets the popcorn
Topic Starter
soulfear
waiting for Charles445
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Charles445
Really surreal to see people in here newer than the map itself x_x time goes by quickly doesn't it
Anyway I'm going to clear up some stuff about the set, also do keep in mind it is very old and has undergone a ton of changes over the years (see ziin's post of the original diff, many parts were redone numerous times).

OKAY before I begin, as a disclaimer I've looked at this map a bunch over the years so that might skew my views on it a bit.
However it also means I know where it's been o_o so let's begin.

The video is of very poor quality.
BG and video are taken from the official BMS, they have the same file names as well.
Video can't be updated because a better version doesn't exist, so it should stay.
Video is a novelty anyway, most disable it and this is accurate to the source material.

Refer back to ziin's post concerning the timing sections and metadata
Last time we put it in the tags, it's effectively the same song just with very minor changes (achieved by alternate charting). Definitely debatable but for now I think having it in tags is good enough.
ziin's timing is good but has rounding error, I'll fix that

Spread issues throughout the mapset.
I'm personally not too concerned, Easy to Normal to Hyper isn't bad considering the range of difficulty it's covering.
The Another is harder than the Hyper by a lot, but it also serves as an easier variant of Sayaka with similar concepts. It's needed in the set.
A solution would be a difficulty between the Hyper and Another, but as is it's really not a huge problem.

00:42:641 (1) - to 00:50:530 (1) - the NC and slider spam is painful to play. Everything in this section is poorly executed due to the fast pace of the sliders and little to no momentum and flow to carry the player through it all
Images for reference of intended gameplay
http://puu.sh/hpkxC/de6d949aea.jpg
http://puu.sh/hpkGP/272e317ef9.jpg
http://puu.sh/hpkYP/0627c3a436.jpg
http://puu.sh/hplgN/6cb88022d0.jpg
http://puu.sh/hply7/73bb9d8eea.jpg

00:54:641 (1) - to 00:58:474 (1) - ^
http://puu.sh/hplMc/eb4c5f826b.jpg
I don't think I need to draw a diagram for 00:56:891 -, it's all very close together.

01:13:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) -
http://puu.sh/hpmv5/82135be199.jpg
Very tough, but easier if you approach it carefully. Cursor will be changing speed constantly.

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Okay so next part is mod as requested
Just covering the big things

[General]
Change timing -> http://puu.sh/hpjpF/07d7ed8366.png
Add to tags -> "-witch-" or "witch"

[Another]
01:44:308 - Try slider velocity 0.75x for this slow part, that makes the slider tick visible (so it is clear how fast the slider is)

[Sayaka]
00:46:058 (1,1,1) - Remove new combos (new combos are 1/3 later, so since these are 1/4 just have it a single combo)
01:49:641 (1,1) - I think end the first two 1/4 earlier, very big slider jumps, too easy to break. http://puu.sh/hpmha/7f3ad6b2e1.jpg
01:52:308 (1) - Shorten 1/4, then move next few notes back, I think something happened here that broke it :o http://puu.sh/hpmmC/ee33edb48b.jpg
fanzhen0019
哪个傻逼撕的
osu needs more soul mapping from the ancient
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