Rori Vidi Veni wrote:
waah somebody could potentially cheat on a mode that hardly anybody maps so let's screw over people who actually would like ranked doubles and more than a few maps done just out of novelty for them waah
Also let's just ignore the fact that you could do that already, just without a convenient lane split.
EDIT: I also just thought of two ways to create the split with skinning, ergo we should ban all skins.
Splitting skin is totally different than the meaning of co-op
Before co-op, it is against the rule if you are playing with other players with split skins, it is against the rule.
Now this system allows people to work with other person (breaking the rules) legit
It is obviously encouraging 2 people to play together because one of my friend that starts a while ago came to me and asked me to play co-op with him.
I am a better player than him and of course he beat his own record when playing co-op with me and passed map that he could not pass
TheVileOne wrote:
I don't see how this mod affects ones ability to play cooperatively. People could play on a single keyboard before. The only difference this mod makes is it doubles the key count. There is no advantage to adding more keys.
For mania specific maps, it does not double the key count, it splits it. And most people that plays mania does not play convert maps and when they see this co-op map on a mania specific maps, they'd assume that it is encouraging them to find a friend to play together.
It is just like playing standard mode but with 2 people. One of the person controls the tablet and one of the person controls the keyboard. You can get a friend that has a really high streaming speed and your self is good at aiming to play together. This is not acceptable just like co-op.
Ryu Sei wrote:
Disagree. On the other side, why we didn't rename Co-op to Split or something similar?
I found this mod is useful for me, because it (Co-op mod) could assist me by breaking the chart to 2 stages (L and R respectively). This is similar like HD/FI/FL mod, that only adds graphical FX to the gameplay. It won't affect scores but subjectively easier/harder.
It might be useful for you and you are playing by yourself, but someone else may take advantage of this mod and get a better score which is not fair to someone playing by their self.
Full Tablet wrote:
You can configure your skin to split lanes without using the mod (gaining the basically the same visual advantage), so making it unranked wouldn't prevent people from ranking maps playing co-operatively.
I think the mod should be renamed instead (to only indicate the stage split, and the extra amount of keys if appropriate). It is important to make clear that playing cooperatively in a single account is not allowed.
If playing co-op is ever allowed to be ranked, I think that the best solution would only allow co-op on-line (with each player having their own account, each with their own PC, both forming a team). Ranked co-op scores would contribute to the pp of each player depending on how they did in their own stage (not depending on the overall performance of the map). In the beatmap leaderboards, there should be an option to filter plays done Solo and Co-op.
Even some players can make their skins split, it will not be acceptable before the co-op comes. If we make it unranked and people uses the skin and work with their friend on ranked mode, it will be against the rule.
Redon wrote:
baraatje123 wrote:
Co-Op mode encourages this bad behaviour
I have to admit, that you're right that there is an other way to do it, but IMO, that function in skin.ini should go away, or be the same between all columns (everywhere the same)
Are you joking? Split lanes aren't a requirement to cheat on 8K with 2 players, this can still be done with all lanes next to each other, so let's ban mania altogether because somebody might cheat? Maybe we can keep 1K.
The mod itself approves the cheating that was not allowed before. People can possibly play with friends without co-op and not let everyone know. Now, they can play together without afraid getting banned.
Such as marijuana is illegal, still, there will be people using it. But If you legalize it, it is encourage people to do something that was not acceptable before. In that case, that is when the rule has disappeared, but in this case, the one player for one account rule still exist which is contradicting the mod itself.