2015-02-26 19:41 gracefu: hey sexy
2015-02-26 19:41 gracefu: arrrr
2015-02-26 19:41 handsome: sup
2015-02-26 19:41 handsome: hows ur map
2015-02-26 19:41 gracefu: i mean handsome
2015-02-26 19:41 gracefu: i just uploaded
2015-02-26 19:41 gracefu: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/651243 MintJam - Monster Machine [V Twins]]
2015-02-26 19:41 gracefu: you might
2015-02-26 19:41 gracefu: um
2015-02-26 19:42 gracefu: want to turn on NF
2015-02-26 19:42 gracefu: and possibly HT
2015-02-26 19:42 gracefu: though for a rank 3k you probably don't need HT XD
2015-02-26 19:42 handsome: n
2015-02-26 19:42 handsome: no im a man
2015-02-26 19:42 handsome: http://www.twitch.tv/tastystew
2015-02-26 19:42 handsome: :D
2015-02-26 19:42 gracefu: blocked
2015-02-26 19:42 handsome: dling
2015-02-26 19:43 gracefu: i'll just spec you the normal way
2015-02-26 19:44 gracefu: HOLY FUK
2015-02-26 19:44 handsome: full of gimmicks
2015-02-26 19:45 gracefu: ._. sorry
2015-02-26 19:45 handsome: are u mapping to the streams 
2015-02-26 19:45 handsome: liek 1/3
2015-02-26 19:45 handsome: so lame
2015-02-26 19:45 handsome: LOL
2015-02-26 19:45 gracefu: gimmicks like what?
2015-02-26 19:45 gracefu: lame?!
2015-02-26 19:45 gracefu: i'm sad D:
2015-02-26 19:45 handsome: just stacks and stuff
2015-02-26 19:46 gracefu: the overlaps
2015-02-26 19:46 gracefu: still no NF
2015-02-26 19:46 gracefu: lol
2015-02-26 19:47 gracefu: lol
2015-02-26 19:49 gracefu: i don't like this kiai myself :/
2015-02-26 19:49 handsome: wtf lol
2015-02-26 19:49 gracefu: by the way
2015-02-26 19:49 gracefu: this is meant to be unplayable
2015-02-26 19:49 handsome: the 1/3s dont feel like 1/3s
2015-02-26 19:49 gracefu: like 4D lol
2015-02-26 19:49 handsome: 4d is totally playable
2015-02-26 19:49 gracefu: but i don't want it to be unreadable
2015-02-26 19:49 handsome: this is not playable 
2015-02-26 19:50 gracefu: okay
2015-02-26 19:50 handsome: i mean like the rhythms arenmt really right
2015-02-26 19:50 gracefu: yeah.
2015-02-26 19:50 handsome: and the patterns are somewaht lame
2015-02-26 19:50 gracefu: aw
2015-02-26 19:50 gracefu: that was like the only thing i thought i did decent
2015-02-26 19:50 handsome: they are neat
2015-02-26 19:50 handsome: but they not really good to play or nice 
2015-02-26 19:50 handsome: i guess
2015-02-26 19:50 gracefu: hm
2015-02-26 19:51 gracefu: any example maps which have good patterns?
2015-02-26 19:51 handsome: for regular jump patterns 
2015-02-26 19:51 handsome: actually nah
2015-02-26 19:52 gracefu: ?
2015-02-26 19:52 handsome: just look at fycho/captin1/lfj for more freestyle
2015-02-26 19:52 handsome: freestyle patterns
2015-02-26 19:52 handsome: for more organized ones like u like 
2015-02-26 19:52 handsome: hmm
2015-02-26 19:52 gracefu: don't really understand freestyle patterns lol
2015-02-26 19:52 handsome: star stream i guess
2015-02-26 19:52 handsome: not using ur squares or stars etc
2015-02-26 19:53 gracefu: not using?
2015-02-26 19:53 handsome: ya
2015-02-26 19:53 handsome: i mean their jumps are usually like 'randomly' placed but they play will
2015-02-26 19:53 handsome: well*
2015-02-26 19:55 gracefu: can you send me the replay file?
2015-02-26 19:55 gracefu: the spectate f'd up
2015-02-26 19:56 handsome: y lol
2015-02-26 19:56 handsome: no point
2015-02-26 19:56 handsome: i could barely play it
2015-02-26 19:57 gracefu: still got point :/
2015-02-26 19:57 gracefu: it's a human playing the map, i didn't see much of that
2015-02-26 19:57 handsome: loll
2015-02-26 19:58 handsome: http://we.tl/SPHxPXWX8q
2015-02-26 19:59 gracefu: thanks :P
2015-02-26 20:03 gracefu: damn i really can't progress much from a quick testplay and a few comments
2015-02-26 20:03 gracefu: time to try to find full mods then
2015-02-26 20:03 handsome: wat
2015-02-26 20:03 handsome: u wanna rank this?
2015-02-26 20:03 gracefu: with a few other difficulties
2015-02-26 20:03 gracefu: yeah
2015-02-26 20:03 handsome: not possible in its current state
2015-02-26 20:04 handsome: need a full remap
2015-02-26 20:04 handsome: definitely
2015-02-26 20:04 handsome: i can assure u that
2015-02-26 20:04 gracefu: lol
2015-02-26 20:04 handsome: 'atlho im blunt
2015-02-26 20:04 gracefu: it's not supposed to be playable
2015-02-26 20:04 handsome: maps are meant to be played???
2015-02-26 20:04 gracefu: lol
2015-02-26 20:05 gracefu: well fine, the only thing that's not meant to be playable is teh 1/6 stream at 264 bpm
2015-02-26 20:05 handsome: lol
2015-02-26 20:05 handsome: wtf
2015-02-26 20:05 gracefu: i tried my best to make the rest playble on the second try
2015-02-26 20:05 gracefu: clearly didn't work out well lol
2015-02-26 20:06 gracefu: so i really need some pro people to help :l
2015-02-26 20:06 handsome: firstly
2015-02-26 20:07 handsome: you don't need like 1.0x ds streams
2015-02-26 20:07 handsome: esp for the whole map
2015-02-26 20:07 handsome: youre for cing unnecessary difficulty
2015-02-26 20:07 gracefu: oh
2015-02-26 20:08 gracefu: um like
2015-02-26 20:08 gracefu: the streams that are overlapping
2015-02-26 20:08 gracefu: but only just?
2015-02-26 20:08 gracefu: not the ones like the M shaped thing?
2015-02-26 20:08 gracefu: which are spaced
2015-02-26 20:08 handsome: not point 
2015-02-26 20:08 handsome: no point
2015-02-26 20:08 handsome:  why not just keep them half overmap
2015-02-26 20:08 handsome: ap*
2015-02-26 20:09 gracefu: you're talking about the really fast streams right
2015-02-26 20:09 gracefu: not the 1/2 ones
2015-02-26 20:10 handsome: ya
2015-02-26 20:10 handsome: the 1/3s arent even fast
2015-02-26 20:10 handsome: they like
2015-02-26 20:10 handsome: 170bpm
2015-02-26 20:10 handsome: lol
2015-02-26 20:10 gracefu: http://puu.sh/gdnNA/8db815571d.png
2015-02-26 20:10 gracefu: so this is good
2015-02-26 20:10 handsome: much more playabnle
2015-02-26 20:10 handsome: and dont use sharp angles too much unless necessary
2015-02-26 20:11 gracefu: and
2015-02-26 20:11 handsome: i mean once in a while is fine
2015-02-26 20:11 gracefu: http://puu.sh/gdnP6/331e4949b0.png
2015-02-26 20:11 gracefu: this i use sometimes
2015-02-26 20:11 handsome: use it 
2015-02-26 20:11 handsome: if the music is more intense etc.
2015-02-26 20:11 handsome: and for the 1/4 streams make it even les spacing
2015-02-26 20:11 handsome: so its readable
2015-02-26 20:11 gracefu: http://puu.sh/gdnQF/91c82f5f34.png
2015-02-26 20:11 gracefu: and this?
2015-02-26 20:12 gracefu: never use or maybe once only
2015-02-26 20:12 handsome: that one
2015-02-26 20:12 handsome: try to use curved
2015-02-26 20:12 handsome: all curved streams are reasier to paly
2015-02-26 20:13 gracefu: ah
2015-02-26 20:13 gracefu: but i can still use it?
2015-02-26 20:13 gracefu: only in very intense parts ofc
2015-02-26 20:13 handsome: i mean
2015-02-26 20:13 handsome: make it curved
2015-02-26 20:13 handsome: if youre gonna use that high spacing
2015-02-26 20:14 gracefu: i mean should i use that high spacing at all
2015-02-26 20:14 gracefu: even if it's curved
2015-02-26 20:14 handsome: ya its ok
2015-02-26 20:14 handsome: if its intense
2015-02-26 20:14 gracefu: hm
2015-02-26 20:14 gracefu: i see
2015-02-26 20:14 gracefu: i'll remap all the streams then (half the map)
2015-02-26 20:14 gracefu: and the "gimmicky" patterns
2015-02-26 20:14 gracefu: what do you mean really?
2015-02-26 20:15 handsome: oaky
2015-02-26 20:15 handsome: sicne igues got
2015-02-26 20:15 handsome: 249 pp
2015-02-26 20:15 handsome: i show u
2015-02-26 20:15 gracefu: what
2015-02-26 20:16 gracefu: you just got 249 pp
2015-02-26 20:16 gracefu: >.> 3k -> 2.8k wat
2015-02-26 20:16 handsome: 00:20:379 (8,1,2) - no point doing this
2015-02-26 20:16 handsome: ya
2015-02-26 20:16 handsome: new top paly
2015-02-26 20:16 gracefu: dayum
2015-02-26 20:16 gracefu: holy sheet
2015-02-26 20:16 gracefu: grats XD
2015-02-26 20:16 handsome: thx
2015-02-26 20:17 gracefu: i should just stack the 1 below the 8 normally
2015-02-26 20:17 gracefu: ?
2015-02-26 20:17 handsome: do the 
2015-02-26 20:17 handsome: overlap uve been doing for like
2015-02-26 20:17 handsome: 20 notes
2015-02-26 20:17 gracefu: lol
2015-02-26 20:17 gracefu: yes
2015-02-26 20:17 handsome: 00:21:402 (5,6) - lol just move them so its readble
2015-02-26 20:17 handsome: or rrotate
2015-02-26 20:17 gracefu: oh
2015-02-26 20:17 gracefu: that'd help a lot
2015-02-26 20:17 gracefu: yes
2015-02-26 20:17 handsome: 00:25:947 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - everybody hates playing line patterns
2015-02-26 20:17 handsome: some zigzag is nice
2015-02-26 20:18 gracefu: so maybe use 2 circles
2015-02-26 20:18 gracefu: and interlace to make zigzag then
2015-02-26 20:18 handsome: interlace?
2015-02-26 20:18 handsome: lolwut
2015-02-26 20:18 handsome: \/\/\/\/
2015-02-26 20:18 handsome: liek that lor
2015-02-26 20:18 handsome: lol
2015-02-26 20:18 gracefu: idk it's me being a weirdo nerd
2015-02-26 20:18 handsome: 00:33:220 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1) - 
2015-02-26 20:18 gracefu: interlacing is a term in images
2015-02-26 20:19 handsome: ya i knwo 
2015-02-26 20:19 handsome: .png and shit 
2015-02-26 20:19 handsome: idk hwo itrrelates here
2015-02-26 20:19 gracefu: yeah
2015-02-26 20:19 gracefu: lol
2015-02-26 20:19 handsome: 00:33:220 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1) - flips horizontally
2015-02-26 20:19 gracefu: doesn't matter bleh
2015-02-26 20:19 handsome: for nicer consistency
2015-02-26 20:19 gracefu: i don't get it
2015-02-26 20:19 gracefu: but ok XD
2015-02-26 20:19 handsome: 00:40:038 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - fuck squares
2015-02-26 20:19 handsome: i mean the repvious line pattern waas clockwise
2015-02-26 20:19 handsome: not make i anticlockwise
2015-02-26 20:19 handsome: lol
2015-02-26 20:19 handsome: now*
2015-02-26 20:19 gracefu: oh
2015-02-26 20:20 gracefu: i see
2015-02-26 20:20 handsome: change the squares man
2015-02-26 20:20 gracefu: yeah
2015-02-26 20:20 handsome: 00:41:591 (5,6,7,8,9,1) - 
2015-02-26 20:20 gracefu: too boring and hard to play as well?
2015-02-26 20:20 handsome: no
2015-02-26 20:20 handsome: its hard lol
2015-02-26 20:20 handsome: like really hardo n high bpm
2015-02-26 20:21 gracefu: i see
2015-02-26 20:21 gracefu: anyway what about 41 seconds?
2015-02-26 20:21 handsome: 00:58:296 (8,9,10,11,12,1) - noooo
2015-02-26 20:21 handsome: no.
2015-02-26 20:21 handsome: just no
2015-02-26 20:21 handsome: lol
2015-02-26 20:21 gracefu: too spaced?
2015-02-26 20:21 handsome: ya 
2015-02-26 20:22 handsome: forcing difficulty
2015-02-26 20:22 handsome: 00:56:970 (2,3,4) - 
2015-02-26 20:22 handsome: thish is the biggest gimmick
2015-02-26 20:22 gracefu: i should use those rarely only right
2015-02-26 20:22 handsome: ya
2015-02-26 20:22 handsome: at ar10 this is not really readable or soemthing u would expect
2015-02-26 20:22 handsome: i mean once you get down the pattern its fun but
2015-02-26 20:22 gracefu: lol it was originally AR 9.3
2015-02-26 20:22 handsome: try to makei t more readable
2015-02-26 20:22 handsome: 01:00:833 (3,4,5,6,7) - stop stacking
2015-02-26 20:23 gracefu: i'll just do a shift down every time
2015-02-26 20:23 gracefu: fake stacking
2015-02-26 20:23 handsome: 01:41:742 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - nonononono
2015-02-26 20:23 gracefu: all the V patterns i'll also do a rotate everytime
2015-02-26 20:23 handsome: the 1/3s are just stupid
2015-02-26 20:24 gracefu: lol then what do i do ;-;
2015-02-26 20:25 handsome: how sure are u that all these sounds are 1/3 anyway
2015-02-26 20:25 gracefu: quite sure
2015-02-26 20:25 gracefu: like 98%
2015-02-26 20:25 handsome: ok
2015-02-26 20:25 gracefu: there might be 1 stream that isn't 1/3
2015-02-26 20:25 gracefu: but i haven't found it yet
2015-02-26 20:25 handsome: 01:42:083 (1,2,3,4) - thhis dun sound like 1/3 
2015-02-26 20:25 handsome: but just put slider la 
2015-02-26 20:25 handsome: not obvious enough
2015-02-26 20:26 handsome: 01:44:924 (5) - 1/6 slider 
2015-02-26 20:26 gracefu: it sounds like 1/3 in 25%
2015-02-26 20:26 handsome: 01:45:038 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,3) - just keep it consistent spacing
2015-02-26 20:26 handsome: it doesnt for me 
2015-02-26 20:26 handsome: its a mush
2015-02-26 20:26 gracefu: yeah that part is a mess
2015-02-26 20:26 gracefu: i'll remap the whole area
2015-02-26 20:26 gracefu: +- 2 seconds
2015-02-26 20:27 handsome: alrgiht
2015-02-26 20:27 handsome: 01:46:705 (5) - tone down spacing
2015-02-26 20:27 handsome: your map feels very 2010 cuz you use a lot of 1/1 spacing  and circles 
2015-02-26 20:27 gracefu: yeah
2015-02-26 20:27 handsome: try to fill them in with sliders 
2015-02-26 20:27 handsome: to make it smoother to play 
2015-02-26 20:28 handsome: easier to keep tempo
2015-02-26 20:28 gracefu: 1/1 spacing?
2015-02-26 20:28 handsome: 1 beat
2015-02-26 20:28 gracefu: like
2015-02-26 20:28 gracefu: 01:48:674-
2015-02-26 20:28 gracefu: 01:48:674 -
2015-02-26 20:28 gracefu: 6 1
2015-02-26 20:28 gracefu: ?
2015-02-26 20:28 handsome: yep
2015-02-26 20:29 gracefu: i see
2015-02-26 20:29 handsome: 01:51:023 (5,1) - nobody can read 2/3 spacing off the bat
2015-02-26 20:29 gracefu: yeah
2015-02-26 20:29 handsome: 01:51:402 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - space it more
2015-02-26 20:30 gracefu: i'm afraid i completely forgot about polarity
2015-02-26 20:30 handsome: between the doubles
2015-02-26 20:30 gracefu: because 1/6 snap divisor >.>
2015-02-26 20:30 gracefu: alright
2015-02-26 20:30 gracefu: i actually thought it was pretty hard already, but apparently not for the pros XD
2015-02-26 20:31 handsome: yeah
2015-02-26 20:31 handsome: i meann i thought this was a retarded stream at firast lol
2015-02-26 20:32 gracefu: oh lol
2015-02-26 20:32 gracefu: no wonder it should be more spaced XD
2015-02-26 20:32 gracefu: maybe make it alternate like
2015-02-26 20:32 gracefu: 2 jumps right, 1 jump left, 2 jumps right
2015-02-26 20:32 handsome: anything you like lol
2015-02-26 20:32 gracefu: then it's 100% not a stream
2015-02-26 20:32 handsome: im lazy to mod this already lol
2015-02-26 20:32 handsome: anyway heres my general opinion 
2015-02-26 20:33 handsome: u shouldnt focus so much on structure/organizng/making it look nice 
2015-02-26 20:33 handsome: but rather playability
2015-02-26 20:33 handsome: and you have to be a better payer to know that 
2015-02-26 20:33 handsome: find a good balance
2015-02-26 20:33 gracefu: lol
2015-02-26 20:33 handsome: and you need much mor expereience 
2015-02-26 20:33 handsome: or ur gonna waste ur time on ginding mods and remapping
2015-02-26 20:33 gracefu: well
2015-02-26 20:34 gracefu: i know i'm going to remap a lot
2015-02-26 20:34 gracefu: but if people like you exist then it won't be so bad by the end
2015-02-26 20:34 gracefu: half the map wasn't bad right?
2015-02-26 20:34 gracefu: so if i map the other half like the good half it wouldn't be bad anymore XD
2015-02-26 20:34 handsome: i mean u have t he 
2015-02-26 20:34 handsome: neatness going on
2015-02-26 20:35 handsome: but its just not playable lol
2015-02-26 20:35 handsome: like the flow 
2015-02-26 20:35 handsome: etc
2015-02-26 20:35 gracefu: 00:37:046 - you didn't comment about this general area
2015-02-26 20:35 handsome: and u need more exprience like 
2015-02-26 20:35 handsome: ctrl+A 
2015-02-26 20:35 gracefu: so i probably didn't mess up there
2015-02-26 20:35 handsome: u see how little of the field u use
2015-02-26 20:35 handsome: the streams are fine 
2015-02-26 20:35 gracefu: i use mostly the centre?
2015-02-26 20:35 handsome: cuz t hey arent retarded there lol
2015-02-26 20:35 handsome: yep
2015-02-26 20:35 handsome: decentralize your playfield