Followpoint is very helpful, it makes maps easier to read. It's often possible to make followpoint connect the last note in a combo to the first note in the next combo. Maybe a toggle in option menu for players to choose which way they prefer.

Yes please
But I have the feeling this has been requested before, but can't find it

Only 3 cases followpoint shouldn't connect notes I can think of is when they're too close in spacing or too far away in timeline or there's a spinner in between. It seems to me that followpoint being cut off because of new combos makes it harder to move the cursor in straight line too.

I agree with this. There really isn't that much of a practical difference that separates a combo.

This would make FL much much more easy.

Sea_Food wrote:

This would make FL much much more easy.

this, i dont think peppy is going to do anything that changes gameplay in a way that makes it easier/harder, since that actually does have an invalidating, no matter how small, of an effect on current scores. with FL its actually a noticeable amount of difficulty change.

That said, I also use followpoints but I understand why they dont go between every single note and i've gotten used to it like every followpoint player, id recommend simply doing the same.

Easier as it'd make FL rely less on memorization, and not just FL, playing nomod/HD would rely less on reaction speed/memorization too. Relying less on reaction speed and memorization is a good thing, it makes players retry less.

Just skin them to be transparent. You'll have what you want

i dont think peppy is going to do anything that changes gameplay in a way that makes it easier/harder, since that actually does have an invalidating, no matter how small, of an effect on current scores.

its not gonna happen, you are changing how the game itself works, the game is no longer in beta

There are these fundamental problems with FL.

It's easier on maps that don't have many jumps, notes clump up ETC. and harder on maps that are based on jump. Nevertheless grant the same amount of score multiplication. - I know that pp does take that into account slightly (I think this will soon be confronted, as ppy is still have a hard time dealing with scaling base on pattern and such and there isn't a pressing need to pay attention to FL yet. But still I'm dreaming of a future where HDFL is as viable as HDHR or HDDT (as so is some others like: This guy)

FL is pretty tough. Not everyone just walks in on a >800 combo (the number is just for show, I'm just trying to say a long map) song and decides: "Yeah imma HDFL that to get mah juicy pp". It will take hundreds even thousands of replay, luck and brain power to achieve a somewhat pp-worthy play. FL in my opinion is underrated as it require a lot of dedication, mental stability and extreme memorization on hard (HARD) song. Nevertheless doesn't improve one's reaction skill, speed ETC. (which is crucial to improve oneself in osu).

But still if we buff FL then your pp (gained from playing FL) won't show how good you are at osu in general which will then require a separated ranking system for memorization skill ETC. (very troublesome if you ask me and does not guaranteed people's attention to the mod itself) but if we don't it will never be worth (unless you are aiming for a flashy play or #1 - no pun intended).

This suggestion is something of a cry of a problem which is openly ignored by most. (or at least, overshadowed by the DT, HR war)

Also, why not just remove the blackened area and substitute with a ring around the cursor and make the notes outside of the ring invisible? (It's still the same as FL but less strain on memory as you can now rely on the background picture to memorize the location of the notes easier and aim better but still force you to memorize the map anyway - minor buff to FL anyone? - will then have to change FL to something else because of the drastic change in appearance)

Man, balancing is hard.

Then there is also problem with easy mod lol... life is tough

1. Pretty sure that OP didnt even have FL in mind when he made the suggestion. So this isnt a cry to a FL problem. This is a suggestion that gets invalidated because of FL.
2. The background is not visible in FL for a reason. You can edit the BG freely without the map getting unranked. Also there is a glitch that allows you to even edit video. Can you imagine how this would a problem?
3. The only problem with easy mod is that it does not allow you to select the AR manually. It would be an easy fix.

Sea_Food wrote:

1. Pretty sure that OP didnt even have FL in mind when he made the suggestion. So this isnt a cry to a FL problem. This is a suggestion that gets invalidated because of FL.
2. The background is not visible in FL for a reason. You can edit the BG freely without the map getting unranked. Also there is a glitch that allows you to even edit video. Can you imagine how this would be a problem?
3. The only problem with easy mod is that it does not allow you to select the AR manually. It would be an easy fix.

I didn't know that you can edit the video too, wow >_> (thought it wasn't possible, but how does editing the BG help?)
That's too bad then.
Thank you for pointing that out... A~Hahaha
Every thing makes sense now.
But the problem doesn't stop just at FL, High AR will also be made a bit easier when you can see the follow point before the actual appearance of the note between jumps.

How about adding this feature to all mods except FL?

If this happens, they aren't really separate 'combos' anymore. Plus, doesn't really seem necessary. I don't agree.

Bauxe wrote:

If this happens, they aren't really separate 'combos' anymore. Plus, doesn't really seem necessary. I don't agree.

itll be made toggleable (similar to [added] Show the very first approach circle in Hidden-Mode) so if u dont like it but prefer the current behavior then u can just leave the option disabled

bumping

Nice bump

pls, it would definitely look nicer to see all the paths i have to move my cursor, the thing about making the last circle in a stream next combo just to have that followpoint is weird, that last circle isnt part of the stream?

If this happens, at least add an option to choose which ones you'd like to connect. Sometimes I'd like to connect these, but sometimes I NC an object just to get rid of it.

Agree with this Idea would be more helpful to the players.

Some players prefer playing with follow point and some without, why not cater for everyone. We can have follow point option:
-Full
-Combo
-Off

Yes it is a slight gameplay changer, but considering we already buffed HD showing first approach circle I don't think this should be a problem either. But if we don't want to buff FL then just disable full follow point while mod is active.

I disagree mainly because it would make ar11 much much much easier for reaction based players like me (I doubt theres many but still...). AR/OD/HP11 would give massive pp gains to those who dont deserve it.
As for FL, why would you want to make easier something thats meant to be hard??

AR 11 will still be impossible
OD/HP 11 don't exist
Also, perhaps people will start using FL if it's slightly nerfed, cause literally no one uses it, which is a shame
Also, there are only a handful of people who aer actually capable of ar11, still, the fact that combo's will also be followed by this won't change this fact
The timing window on AR 11 is so incredibly strict it's nigh impossible to see, especiall on a low end pc

baraatje123 wrote:

AR 11 will still be impossible
OD/HP 11 don't exist
Also, perhaps people will start using FL if it's slightly nerfed, cause literally no one uses it, which is a shame
Also, there are only a handful of people who aer actually capable of ar11, still, the fact that combo's will also be followed by this won't change this fact
The timing window on AR 11 is so incredibly strict it's nigh impossible to see, especiall on a low end pc

AR11 is not impossible and it will never be.
OD10 allows 20ms (or so) hit error while OD10 + DT (OD11) allows only 13ms hit error so it pretty much exists. Same for HP just with increased drain.
Probably most of top 100 can play AR11 by pure reaction but they all choose that they will only play what they can read so they dont play AR11.
You simply dont play AR11 on low end pc...

I absolutely don't know if the meaning of changing hit circle colors and a restart on the count of numbers in the hit circles are meant to cut off the followpoint.

- Assassin - wrote:

I absolutely don't know if the meaning of changing hit circle colors and a restart on the count of numbers in the hit circles are meant to cut off the followpoint.

that means new combo btw