13:12 Hanjamon: yay finished in only hours
13:12 *Hanjamon is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/617691 30 Seconds to Mars - This is War]
13:13 cdhsausageboy: This is Hanjamon
13:13 Genocide: This is Hanjamon
13:13 azintairin710: that's hanja style =w=
13:17 Hanjamon: aaaa i hate autosnap ;w;
13:19 cdhsausageboy: ^ikr
13:20 OnosakiHito: Hi
13:20 Genocide: i hate myself
13:20 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hi
13:21 azintairin710: hi onoo/
13:21 Hanjamon: hi Ono~
13:21 cdhsausageboy: hey ono :3
13:22 LunaticP: Hi
13:22 OnosakiHito: Do you guys would like to lend me some help? :3
13:22 OnosakiHito: I would need opinions about a set I would like to bubble.
13:22 azintairin710: wut is it?
13:22 *OnosakiHito is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/549277 Hige Driver join. SELEN - Dadadadadadadadadada [Oni]]
13:22 OnosakiHito: 01:14:617 - What do you think about the finishers in this kiai?
13:23 LunaticP: the qoot one?
13:23 OnosakiHito: Yes.
13:23 LunaticP: the one with KKKKKKKKKKKK?
13:23 LunaticP: I remember
13:23 LunaticP: let me update first...
13:23 cdhsausageboy: they're cool
13:23 *cdhsausageboy runs
13:23 LunaticP: okay
13:24 LunaticP: I actually did asked him before about this
13:24 OnosakiHito: @cdh: They are cool indeed. But playwise it is questionable.
13:24 OnosakiHito: They fit the song really good and make the map (esepcially this very part) interesting.
13:24 OnosakiHito: But I wonder if it would be accepted in the community.
13:25 Firce777: so bubble it
13:25 OnosakiHito: No. lol
13:25 cdhsausageboy: um
13:25 LunaticP: I have the same question
13:25 azintairin710: some player need new kind of playstyle
13:25 cdhsausageboy: its really hard to actually hit all of them with both hands
13:25 azintairin710: let him
13:25 OnosakiHito: Exactly cdh.
13:25 cdhsausageboy: but tbh
13:25 cdhsausageboy: why not?
13:25 LunaticP: I asked him " how can you go for rank if you make this "
13:26 cdhsausageboy: the sv has been increased to prevent overlap
13:26 cdhsausageboy: it fits the song
13:26 cdhsausageboy: if the players can't play it properly
13:26 cdhsausageboy: they could just hit it with one hand and accept the score reduction
13:26 OnosakiHito: The thin is cdh, that patterns -in my opinion- should play, sound and look well. If one of these factors doesn't apply, it becomes questionable if the pattern is fine.
13:26 OnosakiHito: thing*
13:27 LunaticP: I would say K d d K d d K K K K
13:27 OnosakiHito: kkdd > kddk
13:27 Firce777: D K K K K K K K K K
13:27 OnosakiHito: @qoot, LunaticP gave some suggestion here.
13:27 -Anhedonia-: yes, it is easy with kkdd config o.o
13:27 cdhsausageboy: lunaticP b...but that looks pretty bad D:
13:28 Genocide: kkdd is hard
13:28 Genocide: lol
13:28 LunaticP: if reverse every dk
13:28 Genocide: dkd k dkd please
13:28 -Anhedonia-: and also its not good to judge a map just because something is hard or not o3o
13:28 Firce777: it's fine to me to play it
13:28 LunaticP: because the problem is we question about all finisher
13:29 cdhsausageboy: because having some of them as small notes plays weird to the song since the song is all dadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadada
13:29 LunaticP: or D k k D k k D D K K
13:29 azintairin710: you singing
13:29 OnosakiHito: It doesn't make a big difference at this point. Finisher sounds are overlapping.
13:29 OnosakiHito: Which means, you hardly notice any change in sounding.
13:29 Hanjamon: for me are playable and fine (because yes, i'm ddkk), are hard to hit ofc, but some players can hit the notes alternating, after all imo, big notes are only bonus points
13:30 cdhsausageboy: but the sounds aren't the main factor here
13:30 cdhsausageboy: its the appearance/design?
13:30 Nwolf: woof
13:30 OnosakiHito: Design wise I say it's not a big problem. Having small notes mixed with big one is nothing new.
13:30 cdhsausageboy: hey bakawoof
13:30 LunaticP: okay the whole friend list is now modding the same map
13:30 azintairin710: bakawolf 'w'
13:30 LunaticP: WTF
13:30 OnosakiHito: Nwolf, you can start talking with us right away about this:
13:30 *OnosakiHito is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/549277 Hige Driver join. SELEN - Dadadadadadadadadada [Oni]]
13:30 cdhsausageboy: b...but it doesn't fit D:
13:30 Nwolf: ye I am surprised too
13:30 OnosakiHito: Finisher in kiai.
13:31 Nwolf: DADADADADADADADA
13:31 OnosakiHito: @cdh: Visual wise? Or play wise?
13:31 cdhsausageboy: visual wise
13:31 cdhsausageboy: play wise is pretty meh
13:32 cdhsausageboy: since you need to kinda hit the notes at bpm312 1/3 to get them all right
13:32 -Anhedonia-: score multiplied by kiai and large note yay
13:32 OnosakiHito: playwise > visual in this case I guess.
13:32 cdhsausageboy: oodain ftw
13:32 OnosakiHito: So I would rather go for making some notes small
13:32 Tasha: so i might have to not do TWC this year
13:32 OnosakiHito: because it doesn't look that bad either.
13:32 Nwolf: what about them
13:32 -Anhedonia-: >either.
13:32 Tasha: I think I screwed up my left wrist :/
13:32 cdhsausageboy: i'd rather make all of them small ones if that's the case :<
13:32 OnosakiHito: What do you think about the Nwolf?
13:33 OnosakiHito: them*
13:33 Nwolf: I think the Nwolf is cool *hides*
13:33 Nwolf: I don't like that there's so much big kats
13:33 LunaticP: suddenly I remember something like this >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H6VS6Lv4B013:33 cdhsausageboy: that's oodain k
13:34 OnosakiHito: Could you please argument wants without personal feelings, Nwolf.
13:34 OnosakiHito: once*
13:34 OnosakiHito: oh god, my english today
13:34 Nwolf: ok
13:34 Nwolf: I don't like that there's so much big kats because it sounds so empty D:
13:34 OnosakiHito: Empty?
13:35 Nwolf: ye idk
13:35 OnosakiHito: What about 01:20:771 (405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414) - ?
13:35 LunaticP: that's still personal feelings lol
13:35 -Anhedonia-: @Ono , for me they are fine, i think i have nothing else to say than "these doesnt need to be changed into something that is somewhat same"
13:35 cdhsausageboy: ...the song itself has pretty much nothing except the vocals though
13:35 Nwolf: 01:20:771 (405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414) - and there's big dons here too
13:35 Nwolf: 01:16:155 (375,376,377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384) - this could be big dons for variation
13:36 Nwolf: (and to avoid killing my middle fingers)
13:36 cdhsausageboy: ^ have to agree with that
13:36 Nwolf: but I really don't mind all those finishers
13:36 Nwolf: since I've been waiting for a new finisher map a long time
13:36 Tasha: am i the only one who had no issue with the finishers?
13:36 LunaticP: legi notes
13:36 Nwolf: something like rog-unlimitation
13:36 Tasha: My wrist is screwed up and I still didn't think they were bad
13:36 Nwolf: nobody said they were bad
13:36 cdhsausageboy: because tasha you're pro ;w;
13:37 LunaticP: ono , basically if you ask people you know here, they can play it of cause
13:37 OnosakiHito: Yeah, no one said they are bad. They are really good. But playwise it is questionable. And I won't bubble (or let something qualified) if it is questionable. Especially not, as long as community doesn't accept it.
13:37 OnosakiHito: Well LunaticP, community has an important factor here.
13:38 Tasha: thats a pretty lame way of going about it
13:38 Nwolf: Lunatic please
13:38 OnosakiHito: If they do say it is fine, even though playwise it might be a bit questionable,
13:38 Tasha: the community most of the time has a pretty bad taste in maps :p
13:38 OnosakiHito: I'm please to listen to the community instead of me.
13:38 Tasha: I didn't find it questionable though :<
13:38 OnosakiHito: Tasha, you know what I mean.
13:38 Tasha: no I don't
13:38 Tasha: I literally don't find it questionable
13:38 LunaticP: lol
13:38 Nwolf: it's not questionable, really
13:38 Firce777: i'm one handed-player, i can beat these finish notes well
13:38 OnosakiHito: I'm two handed. I die.
13:39 OnosakiHito: x_x
13:39 Tasha: Yeah you beat them finish notes hard Firce
13:39 LunaticP: They are correct notes
13:39 Tasha: oh baby
13:39 Nwolf: then you die on rog-unlimitation too thoi
13:39 *Tasha flees
13:39 Nwolf: Seriously, it just gives more variation in maps we have
13:39 Nwolf: since there hasn't been a real finisher-heavy map in ages (Burn does not count here)
13:40 OnosakiHito: Burn does count.
13:40 Nwolf: Burn only has a few finishers compared to what I'm missing
13:40 OnosakiHito: And just because we had no maps with insane SV changes since ages doesn't mean, we use them. If you know what I mean. lol
13:40 OnosakiHito: Whatever.
13:40 Tasha: SV changes are stupid because they're artificial
13:40 Nwolf: isn't 1.5 insane
13:41 Tasha: and are dependant on memorizing or high speed reading skill
13:41 OnosakiHito: They are part of Taiko.
13:41 Tasha: Finisher use isn't artificial, each finisher gives an option for bonus score.
13:41 _verto_: oh hi is it that time again?
13:41 OnosakiHito: No verto.
13:41 OnosakiHito: It's not.
13:41 _verto_: welp
13:42 Nwolf: the SV in the kiai could be lowered a bit imo
13:43 Tasha: lol, i just tried it with DT
13:44 Tasha: my left hand immediately went nope
13:44 Tasha: right hand had no issues though :p
13:44 LunaticP: your left hand have nothing right and your right hand have nothing left
13:45 OnosakiHito: Anyway. Still unsure about the finishers.
13:45 OnosakiHito:
http://puu.sh/f60df/8b840120c5.jpg valid argument
13:45 OnosakiHito: It's pretty fast.
13:45 cdhsausageboy: ;w;
13:45 Nwolf: it's not 312 1/2
13:46 Nwolf: with NM it's BPM+BPM/2
13:46 Nwolf: aka 234
13:46 OnosakiHito: Don't know how much BPM it would be, but in general it is probably clear that it's not easy to play it.
13:46 cdhsausageboy:
http://puu.sh/f60iD/63c09c8022.jpg13:46 cdhsausageboy: please ono
13:46 Tasha: it... is easy to play it though
13:46 OnosakiHito: Tasha, I can't take you as scale here.
13:46 Firce777: agreed with ono
13:46 Tasha: pressing 2 buttons in time isn't hard
13:46 OnosakiHito: You are an unstoppable mosnter which opinion is dangerous. lol
13:46 Tasha: it isn't any harder than pressing 1 at a time
13:47 Nwolf: I can hit them too :c
13:47 cdhsausageboy: unless the player's stamina sucks, it really isn't that hard to play
13:47 Nwolf: and I could swear I hit them with DT about as bad with shit acc!!!
13:47 OnosakiHito: Yeah, for kkdd players Tasha. But for kddk it is a realy pain.
13:47 Nwolf: no Ono it's not
13:47 LunaticP: I can't hit them all but I will still say let it go
13:47 Tasha: want to see me do it with kddk?
13:47 Nwolf: I am kddk
13:47 Tasha: i'm shit at kddk and I can do it.
13:47 pmriva: just want to share my map
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/27029513:48 OnosakiHito: Anyway, it's the wrong direction we go right now. Never wanted to argue playstyle wise.
13:48 azintairin710: how much D in a line?
13:48 OnosakiHito: Let's just make it easy maybe, with "yes" and "no"? Like, who would be against it and who not?
13:48 LunaticP: 10
13:48 OnosakiHito: lol
13:48 azintairin710: D:
13:49 azintairin710: that exhausting
13:49 LunaticP: the first time #taiko is voting for a letting a map pass?
13:49 azintairin710: i would say no if you want to compare it to player perspective
13:49 azintairin710: but yes if it really fit the song
13:50 Nwolf: I'm yes for keeping finishers
13:50 Garpo: Its fun and fits the song
13:50 Nwolf: (and making the 2nd thingy big dons)
13:50 cdhsausageboy: yes for finishers
13:50 cdhsausageboy: lol nwolf
13:50 Tasha: yes to finishers
13:50 Tasha: they work fine for the vocal part there matched with kiai / highlighting point of the song.
13:51 Tasha: and I almost did them first try with kddk having no experience with stuff like that so :p
13:51 qoot8123: can i vote yes for me
?
13:51 Firce777: keep it
13:51 Tasha: Nwolf wanna see how shit I am at kddk?
13:51 azintairin710: no you can't qoot =w= you were the mapper
13:51 LunaticP: #taiko is full of mapper..........
13:51 LunaticP: may be we need some voice from pure player
13:52 OnosakiHito: Well, I think that's pretty clear then.
13:52 OnosakiHito: Since all say yes, I think it can be approved.
13:52 *OnosakiHito logs it*