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[-Cloud-]

otonashi-senpai wrote:

vahn10 wrote:



Close!
Still he got 4 times more PP than you in almost 4 times less time.

I can't understand some people here who are hating or writing unnecessary stuff. I think they're just jealous.
Your progress is amazing! (and even godlike compared to all these salty kids here) Maybe you'll even get to the Top 1000 in under one year.

Wish you good luck!


Ps: Wish I could make the same progress as you :D
TIL: Everyone not agreeing on the way OP is "progression" = PJSalt Jelly Haters. Besides the joke, that someone who pushed like 40pc within 6 month calling someone else nerd.
silmarilen
im pretty sure vahn's post was about being close to rank 1337, im not sure why you're trying to make drama out of nothing.
Vuelo Eluko
what if cookiezi [if he wasnt an asshole who thought almost everyone was garbage at the game] made an account just to post "good job! keep it up!" would you drop everything and go back to the grind woob
Vuelo Eluko
and then he gets to rank 1 again before he pulls off his mask and reveals he was actually saturos the whole time and peppy posts an ask.vid of himself making an exaggerated O-face and refuses to ban him for multi accounting but instead hands ppy over to him and we all become saturoslaves

sorry i drank too much egg nog
Nyxa

silmarilen wrote:

im pretty sure vahn's post was about being close to rank 1337, im not sure why you're trying to make drama out of nothing.
This.

Riince wrote:

[if he wasnt an asshole who thought almost everyone was garbage at the game]
Everyone is garbage at this game, though. People in the top 50 are just way less garbage than the rest.
chainpullz
Idk, Woob puts in nearly 3x as many hits per month as I do. It would be more unusual if he hadn't accumulated that much pp already.
ZenithPhantasm
Play more=pp confirmed
byfar
ez
vaporlol
gaining pp ≠ progressing
Kipley

vaporlol wrote:

gaining pp ≠ progressing

this and after reading his ask.fm I cringed pretty hard
[-Cloud-]

Kip wrote:

vaporlol wrote:

gaining pp ≠ progressing

this and after reading his ask.fm I cringed pretty hard
Just took a quick look and found this:



Oh, well:



Seriously bro, how is this thread supposed to be serious if you're like that.
cheezstik

Tess wrote:

Riince wrote:

[if he wasnt an asshole who thought almost everyone was garbage at the game]
Everyone is garbage at this game, though. People in the top 50 are just way less garbage than the rest.
Tess contradictory rant 1

Tess wrote:

You're not bad, you're inexperienced. People are really pessimistic, self-loathing creatures, and they'll try to bring themselves (and each other) down at every opportunity they can find. They bring themselves down because they feel like they're not good enough and they bring others down because the grass is greener on the other side.

I mean, think about it. Let's say you meet a hobo who tells you that he used to be a hard working man but then his grandfather died and he inherited his ginormous debts and lost everything, still being in debt to several companies to this day. Would you make fun of him for that? I can't think of anyone in their right mind who would see that as a reason to make fun of him, or put him down by saying he's a broke fuck or something. Yes, he is broke, he's homeless, he has less money than most people - that's an undeniable fact. But if he found a shitty job at the McDonalds a week later and barely earned any pay while trying his best, would he be shit? Would he suck? Would he be bad?

No, because despite it being incredibly hard for him, he's still trying his best to work himself back into a normal life from the bottom up. Even if he may not end up as a millionaire in the future, if he managed to end up with a decent job, clear out all his debts and buy a decent house, that'd be way more impressive than someone who was born in a wealthy family and inherited their father's business after he died. It's similar everywhere, really. People won't really bring someone down for not being good at something, they'll only bring someone down out of jealousy or some other personal problem. So don't let it get to you because someone belittling you for something is most likely just mad at themselves about something else.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that you need to stop looking at your progress relative to that of others. That only really holds you back. Reason being that seeing someone else as #1 automatically makes you believe you're #2, and even if you'd have the capacity to #1, you believing that you can't make it there will prevent you from making it there. That's just how brains work. If instead of trying to compete with others you compete with yourself, you will most likely achieve the most optimal results. Because you can't really get jealous at yourself, or say that you aren't as predisposed at being good at this game as yourself. That said, some people will still get jealous at their past selves (I know I did) and that works pretty much the same as being jealous at someone else, it's only a tad bit dumber.

The best thing to do is look at your progress relative to yourself. If you beat your top performance, that's an achievement, and you should be proud of it, no matter what kind of performance it is. When I got my current top performance, I was super proud and excited about it, and I still am proud of it. Should I be less proud of it because it's not a Remote Control HDDT FC worth >550pp? Wouldn't it be much more productive to use my pride and excitement for that score as a fuel to get more similar and possibly even better scores than to call myself shit just because it's not the best of the best?

This community doesn't help, though. I know of the Touhou community that they'll be much more impressed at someone who manages to clear their first Hard after weeks of trying than at a veteran player who 1cc's a Lunatic for the umptieth time. Yes, it's very impressive to watch a pro player do their thing, but it's much harder for a shit player to clear a Hard than it is for a pro player to 1cc a Lunatic.

Perhaps it'd help if everybody didn't go full Oprah with "I suck! You suck! Everybody sucks !!!!xcept cokesi xD" and actually praised each other for their achievements no matter where on the progress bar they are, so long as it's an improvement from what they were already good at. By that logic, hvick's Hoshizora play is just as impressive as a 50K who FCs their first Insane after going through a lot of trouble and effort to get there. To me, the 50K would be more impressive, but I expect most players will continue to stay superficial and only be impressed by what they can't do, rather than compliment each other for their hard work.

tl;dr In an ideal world FL would be a respected and honorable mod

Tess contradictory rant 2

Tess wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

Being realistic, yes, he would suck, he would be bad. Ofc you wouldn't tell him that or make fun of him for that, cos that is a much more serious, important topic, and you would come off as insensitive and a dick for that, since real life in general is much harder and more serious than being good at a game, and not even a competitive game at that, osu is more for fun than the games with e-sports communities and people making a living off of them. I couldn't really give a shit if someone told me I'm bad at a game, but I can see how someone like that hobo might be upset if you called him bad for his situation.

Tl;dr games (or at least osu and other non competitive games) and being bad at them don't matter, having a good job and a home and shit IRL does.
Did you know that watching someone get abused and mistreated makes your brain react similarly to the brain of the person being abused?
Or that when someone attacks you verbally, your body and brain respond in the same way as when someone would attack you physically?
Or that telling someone that they're bad at a game affects them just as much as telling them that they're bad at anything else?

Thing is, people like to attach values to things. "This is good", "this is okay", "this is horrible", "this is very good", and "that is very bad". But each person attaches different kinds of values to different things, and then fails to understand how someone else could value things differently than they do. Most people think that they understand what's right and wrong while there isn't really an objective right or wrong. Those are just words for things people like and don't like.

So, yes. It is true that having a house and a way to put food on the table should be prioritized over a game. However, fact of the matter is that someone who doesn't have to worry about those things will prioritize things that aren't a basal need for them. And then a game can become very important, sometimes it becomes even more important than eating to someone. Sure, it might not be what they need, but that doesn't make it any less important to them. Who are you to tell them that their most important thing in life doesn't matter? Would you say that their mother doesn't matter? I can see you thinking "lol but this is a game it's very different from mothers", but the fact that people need a mother more than a game doesn't change the fact that saying a game someone cares about a lot doesn't matter is a similar act.

Always remember that people will think in ways that you don't, can't and won't understand, and you need to respect that. You can only really say something about if they're, say, neglecting their children because they care more about the game. That's not the case in this context though.

In short, how important something is to you or to humans in general doesn't change the fact that talking down on something important to someone else is a horrible thing to do, especially if that thing doesn't harm them or others in the slightest.

Tess contradictory rant 3

Tess wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

Well, what you say is true, but I won't randomly talk to someone and say they are bad, I would only tell someone what I think of them if they asked "am I good?" or "how am I at osu" or something along those lines. Ofc I'm gonna give a realistic answer, if they didn't wanna hear that, then they are obviously just fishing for compliments, or should've just said "tell me I'm good pls", and I don't really care if I offend a person like that, cos they are just asking for it. If neither of those are the case, then they don't mind being called bad, cos they are also realistic.
My point though is that the way you approach giving such feedback can make or break a player. Here are several answers you can give to a mediocre player asking "Am I good?":

"No." "Better than the really shitty players." "Do you think you're good?" "Are you better than you used to be?" "Does it matter?" "lol no" "Yeah you're awesome!!"

Among others. As you can see some of these are downright cold or mean, while others are lies or white lies, and yet others are true but also not hurtful. That's what I like about the Touhou community - they won't tell you you're pro if you're not, but they will commend you for the achievements you did make, no matter how easy those are for most players - as long as they were hard to achieve for you.

So basically just watch your wording because it matters way more than you think.

Tl;dr using Tess' own argument to catch her out
B1rd

Kip wrote:

this and after reading his ask.fm I cringed pretty hard
ZenithPhantasm

[-Cloud-] wrote:

Kip wrote:

this and after reading his ask.fm I cringed pretty hard
Just took a quick look and found this:



Oh, well:



Seriously bro, how is this thread supposed to be serious if you're like that.
Agreed.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz
Hey cloud, why not FUCKING SCROLL UP


Jesus fuck you're grasping at straws to make me look bad, just go back to the jelly dish you crawled out of.



f i z i k wrote:

OMG he is a cheater,let's report him
Merry Christmas, how have you been lately? You haven't logged in for quite some time
[-Cloud-]
I stopped taking you seriously since you created this thread, buddy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

Riince wrote:

what if cookiezi [if he wasnt an asshole who thought almost everyone was garbage at the game] made an account just to post "good job! keep it up!" would you drop everything and go back to the grind woob
Obama giving any aspiring player some sort of praise or pep-talk would be a wet-dream come true.

I wouldn't even mind if he insulted me, condemned me, and was disappointed in the way I'm approaching things.
E m i
glycogen
B1rd
you were joking? It doesn't particularly seem like you're joking when you get defensive about something.
I Give Up
The xmas spirit is real in this thread.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

KukiMonster wrote:

The xmas spirit is real in this thread.
How was your Christmas? I had a feast with relatives and extended family, then proceeded to stomp their kids at Smash bros. no mercy, which was pretty immature of me, but the kids had it coming when they started talking shit.
I Give Up
I got sick and stuck in bed. It was great.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

KukiMonster wrote:

I got sick and stuck in bed. It was great.
Well at least the spirit never leaves youi
Kunino Sagiri
sounds like a serious case of #madcuzbad
ZenithPhantasm

Woobowiz wrote:

KukiMonster wrote:

The xmas spirit is real in this thread.
How was your Christmas? I had a feast with relatives and extended family, then proceeded to stomp their kids at Smash bros. no mercy, which was pretty immature of me, but the kids had it coming when they started talking shit.
I think you take games a little too seriously judging from the way you act.
winber1
did someone say christmas spirit?
Granger
Woobowiz rank as of now.


Honestly though, i thought your goal was to become the best player (ie good at pretty much everything) not #1 by chasing pps. Im dissapoint but eh.
winber1
nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

winber1 wrote:

nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so
wise

Granger wrote:

Honestly though, i thought your goal was to become the best player (ie good at pretty much everything) not #1 by chasing pps. Im dissapoint but eh.
it's a work in progress, get off my case will ya?
cheezstik
Why does everyone think going for PP means you're not getting better? Even with PP farm maps, there's a limit, you are still going to eventually hit a wall (Even remote control DT is a pp farm map, and the current wall as of today). You can overcome that wall by becoming better, and it will show, when you have more PP.

Sure, woobowiz is a little unbalanced in terms of skill, maybe favoring DT a little and neglecting no-mod / HR, but getting better at DT is still getting better, and bringing him closer to being the best.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

cheezstik wrote:

Sure, woobowiz is a little unbalanced in terms of skill, maybe favoring DT a little and neglecting no-mod / HR, but getting better at DT is still getting better, and bringing him closer to being the best.
My heart for DT.

In most cases No mod maps that give me pp are so tricky @_@, on other cases "how is this 5.3 stars it's at least 5.6 level?" or "why is 99% acc on this only 190 pp, it should be at least 220". Tillerino has ruined me on that regard, thus I lose interest in most no-mod maps too easily.

Playing tons of DT won't help me learn OD 9/10 tho. I already cry wth OD 8 + DT...... I honestly don't know how HR players do it.

Hidden is weird as fk for me, definitely an acquired skill.

Also.....do elaborate by what you mean by "Unbalanced in terms of skill" because what followed that statement was more of "unbalance in terms of mods", I already know I suck dick at OD 9/10, so let's put that aside as 1 freebie.
cheezstik

Woobowiz wrote:

Also.....do elaborate by what you mean by "Unbalanced in terms of skill" because what followed that statement was more of "unbalance in terms of mods", I already know I suck dick at OD 9/10, so let's put that aside as 1 freebie.
Obviously it depends on the map, but generally DT is mostly the skill of speed, HR is mostly the skill of accuracy / precision if cs6.5, and no-mod can be either depending on the map (remote control vs rog unlimitation as an example), so your profile tells me you're a fast player, but it doesn't tell me anything about your consistency or accuracy or reading. (Keep in mind I haven't been following your progress and don't watch your vids, so this is purely from looking at your profile).
chainpullz
Honestly HR is the mod you play when OD7/OD8 becomes a handicap in terms of pp gain for the maps you can fc with 99% accuracy. DT is the mod you play when you have fast aim and tapping but are bad when it comes to complexity. The obvious issue with nomod is that complexity does not get measured very well so nomod maps get really difficult really fast with a low OD handicap to make earning pp from them a pain in the ass despite their difficulty. (I'm using complexity ambiguously as a blanket term here to describe a lot of different things)

Also, HR is underrated in terms of star difficulty since OD is not a factor (but it is for pp). Take that for whatever it's worth when comparing pp values vs star difficulties.

Edit: This is all how I see it based on my experiences.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

cheezstik wrote:

so your profile tells me you're a fast player, but it doesn't tell me anything about your consistency or accuracy or reading. (Keep in mind I haven't been following your progress and don't watch your vids, so this is purely from looking at your profile).
For either side of the argument, admitting to having only glanced at my top plays doesn't provide a solid base, and I have yet to receive any specific answer to my initial question.

I can admit that my accuracy is horrible (98% acc scores on OD 7 + DT? 97% acc on OD 8 + DT? absolutely disgustingly bad), but I wish to blame my poor sense of rhythm for that.

If you're wary of my reading ability, then you're free to check any of those maps yourself and make that decision for yourself.


chainpullz wrote:

DT is the mod you play when you have fast aim and tapping but are bad when it comes to complexity.

Also, HR is underrated in terms of star difficulty since OD is not a factor (but it is for pp). Take that for whatever it's worth when comparing pp values vs star difficulties.

Edit: This is all how I see it based on my experiences.
There are plenty of complex DT maps, are you sure you're looking at the right DT maps?
I agree Hard Rock is underrated in terms of star difficulty, but you also brought up the point that this factor is compensated by its pp value. But by no means should anyone compare star difficulty ratings between mods, especially between HR and DT.
cheezstik
Ok let's just put it this way, I already told you my statement was mostly assumption based since I haven't really been following you, so according to your profile, your skill set is unbalanced since DT, no-mod, and HR generally depend mostly on different skill sets, and 95+% of your top ranks are DT.

Woobowiz wrote:

I have yet to receive any specific answer to my initial question.
Well, your initial question was

Woobowiz wrote:

do elaborate by what you mean by "Unbalanced in terms of skill"
and I did elaborate on what I meant. Whether or not what I meant is correct is a different matter, since, like I said, I was just basing it off your profile.

Either way, this is all kinda irrelevant anyway, since DT is still a way of playing the game, and I would respect someone for getting to #1 playing literally only DT with 95% accuracy. Keep up the good work woob, whether it's in the form of DT, no-mod, or HR, it's good either way if you're gaining PP.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

cheezstik wrote:

Either way, this is all kinda irrelevant anyway, since DT is still a way of playing the game, and I would respect someone for getting to #1 playing literally only DT with 95% accuracy. Keep up the good work woob, whether it's in the form of DT, no-mod, or HR, it's good either way if you're gaining PP.
The support is much appreciated and I understand what you meant now.

If I suddenly do get a No-mod top play though, it's probably some monstrously good play where I'm in rare form (Installation though, might be my first high pp no mod play though)

I wouldn't expect any high pp HR scores though.......ever
B1rd
The first few hours of Christmas I spent in front of my computer. Then I went to bed.
chainpullz
I'm referring more to the fact that at any given pp-value the DT maps will be significantly less complex than the nomod maps since they are much faster. HR maps are somewhere between DT and nomod in terms of complexity but make up for it by disallowing you to bullshit your way though sections with a lot of (on od7/8) 50's/100's and/or near mis-aims.

As far as complexity (still ambiguous), increasing the speed of a map doesn't really make it any more complex. More difficult, yes. You have to aim faster, tap faster, and read faster but it's fundamentally the same mapping of notes just sped up a bit. The mapping itself is just as complex under one bpm as it is under another. In this sense, I would say that DT is far less complex than HR/nomod of the same pp-value.

Note that there are outliers to these generalizations such as jump heavy maps. Very generally speaking though, the average complexity of maps increase as their nomod star difficulties increase.
D e s
Why you seems 'aggresive' compare to several months before, or is it just me

People change when they at top? Idk
chainpullz
Probably more so because of work/studies devouring his time than because of rank if I were to venture a guess.
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