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Fullerene-
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listen to the music carefully. my jacks always have it own means
i don't need to listen to the music carefully to hear that you're putting notes on the same columns to different pitch or different instruments.

where is 1/4...you need a new earphone
if i can hear a specific sound that you can't, why should i be the one to get new headphones?

mapping is not copy
wow you're actually right this time, mapping isn't about copying, it's about consistency. a basic concept that you clearly fail to grasp. in many spots you go with a specific patterning/layering scheme and then throw that away to follow other things in the same measure, which is why i commented that it felt somewhat random

i dont think my sv is bad . i dont know how you use sv changes but my sv changes are actually comfortable.
i didn't say your SVs are bad, i said that they looked rough, because the values you used are at such a high interval that it's not smooth and i can see each change. if you believe that's comfortable, then you have pretty low standards, and looking at the maps you've made simply supports that.

00:21:923 - 00:22:073 - 00:22:223 - remove the duplicate green lines here, they're making it scroll straight to 1.00x instead of gradually speeding upyou will kill players
dude.
d u d e
d u d e

i cannot comprehend how this "will kill players" in any way, shape or form. you have SVs that make the map scroll at a certain speed, and then on the same spot you have another line that cancels the SV change so it just skips to 1.00x instead of going through 0.8x and 0.9x. ????????????????????

you want to know how i use SVs?

super secret fullerene treasure chest about how he makes SVs
i try to make them sightreadable and smooth so people can actually fucking play them properly and still get good scores

now entertain me, does this look uncomfortable to you?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3cqz7wympmk1d ... k.osz?dl=0


i'll wait for your respo-
actually no fuck that

i had nearly 20 people play this and give me feedback about these SVs, what problems they had with it, and how i can make them better.
by the time i had over 10 people test it, everyone else that played it for the first time didn't even get a miss because of the SVs.

"oh my how do you make SVs that are sightreadable and balanced?"
oh hey i think i posted that SV calculator's link in my mod po-
oh wait you ignored my advice because you're too damn arrogant and stuck up to think that other people are competent enough to improve your maps


a good, respectful mapper knows how to take criticism, no matter if it's positive or negative , and respond to said criticism without sounding
like a complete shitlord

and this is something that you really need to work on.

think about your attitude before you give more people an aneurysm with how unbelievably dense you are, because god knows it's already happened. it's not "cool", and it doesn't make you look "cool" outside of your close group of friends.

fucking bye
[Emiria]

Fullerene- wrote:

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listen to the music carefully. my jacks always have it own means
i don't need to listen to the music carefully to hear that you're putting notes on the same columns to different pitch or different instruments.

where is 1/4...you need a new earphone
if i can hear a specific sound that you can't, why should i be the one to get new headphones?

mapping is not copy
wow you're actually right this time, mapping isn't about copying, it's about consistency. a basic concept that you clearly fail to grasp. in many spots you go with a specific patterning/layering scheme and then throw that away to follow other things in the same measure, which is why i commented that it felt somewhat random

i dont think my sv is bad . i dont know how you use sv changes but my sv changes are actually comfortable.
i didn't say your SVs are bad, i said that they looked rough, because the values you used are at such a high interval that it's not smooth and i can see each change. if you believe that's comfortable, then you have pretty low standards, and looking at the maps you've made simply supports that.

00:21:923 - 00:22:073 - 00:22:223 - remove the duplicate green lines here, they're making it scroll straight to 1.00x instead of gradually speeding upyou will kill players
dude.
d u d e
d u d e

i cannot comprehend how this "will kill players" in any way, shape or form. you have SVs that make the map scroll at a certain speed, and then on the same spot you have another line that cancels the SV change so it just skips to 1.00x instead of going through 0.8x and 0.9x. ????????????????????

you want to know how i use SVs?

super secret fullerene treasure chest about how he makes SVs
i try to make them sightreadable and smooth so people can actually fucking play them properly and still get good scores

now entertain me, does this look uncomfortable to you?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3cqz7wympmk1d ... k.osz?dl=0


i'll wait for your respo-
actually no fuck that

i had nearly 20 people play this and give me feedback about these SVs, what problems they had with it, and how i can make them better.
by the time i had over 10 people test it, everyone else that played it for the first time didn't even get a miss because of the SVs.

"oh my how do you make SVs that are sightreadable and balanced?"
oh hey i think i posted that SV calculator's link in my mod po-
oh wait you ignored my advice because you're too damn arrogant and stuck up to think that other people are competent enough to improve your maps


a good, respectful mapper knows how to take criticism, no matter if it's positive or negative , and respond to said criticism without sounding
like a complete shitlord

and this is something that you really need to work on.

think about your attitude before you give more people an aneurysm with how unbelievably dense you are, because god knows it's already happened. it's not "cool", and it doesn't make you look "cool" outside of your close group of friends.

fucking bye
i use 3hours to check your mod
i test almost all your changes .but i dont feel it is better than i did before .
Kitsune-kun
i use 3hours to check your mod
i test almost all your changes .but i dont feel it is better than i did before .
Ayachi-
Don't come here for drama, this is a place for beatmap discussion instead of your drama
RemiFlan
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Valedict
to make acceptable map, you must follow mod post well...

it is not nice to dismiss and say "too lazy.." no???

mapper be nice to modder is now
PyaKura
Nay while I think Rene has been overreacting a bit I do think victorica could have tried more to answer the mod properly. I don't want to offend anyone but victorica's reply indeed kinda sounded like no fucks were given (I know I would have been pissed off), emphasized by the laziness (s)he has shown by not replying completely to the mod Rene has posted. I think this is the least one could do to show some respect to the work a fellow modder/mapper has done, especially considering that victorica is apparently a potential candidate for BAT.
richardfeder
what the heck is going on... :(
Cuppp
@victorica_db

I would consider myself OK at making sightreadable SV. These SV in your MX diff is not sightreadable and is very uncomfortable
Some of your SVs are okay though.
But I won't bother pointing out the bad ones, because we've all seen by now how that turns out.

You're in denial, your SVs suck and your map needs work
Topic Starter
Sharlo
玛雅泥萌这是在做啥
Rumia-
can u guys stop? @fullrene you can pm victorica if you arent satisfy with the replies either in game or forum..you 2 can settle things through without causing this stupid scene on this 4 mode thread..and those guys who arent related should just stay shut..you can discuss in the channel provided rather than trashtalk in the channel everyday.besides its a random mod tho .. victorica wasnt expect a long mod would come on a gd (specifically his gd) so there is no need to continue this.
BilliumMoto
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BilliumMoto
I want to promote understanding between people
communication is beautiful
on that note, please go back and read my post again
victorica was arrogant and fullerene was mean about it
in the end, both were not good
we need to prevent this in the future
people need to open themselves up to other's opinions and skills more
because there's a lot of ignoring happening here
that is all
Rumia-
i dont see why it is wrong to discuss it on channel than messing this thread like it is already was..ursa discuss all ctb things in channel i dont see why osumania cant? what can u make victorica to read if he cant even reply mods that long.atleast in channel your words are seperated in lines so victorica probably want to read it rather than this..understand me?
i dont see what understanding you are trying to create if you know victorica is already acting like that
BilliumMoto

Rumia- wrote:

i dont see why it is wrong to discuss it on channel than messing this thread like it is already was..ursa discuss all ctb things in channel i dont see why osumania cant? what can u make victorica to read if he cant even reply mods that long.atleast in channel your words are seperated in lines so victorica probably want to read it rather than this..understand me?
i dont see what understanding you are trying to create if you know victorica is already acting like that
because you guys are never in #osumania
so it's hard to talk with you
Ayachi-
there is a function called highlight
Rumia-
im always there watching..i dont talk when im not necessary to do so..just these few days i dont have chance to go online cuz of irl busy and limitated net connection in uni.
ok u cant stop posting here now or ill call qat to lck it until things solves. beside bats need to wait victorica replies by hook or by crook for further actions anyway..sigh
pity sharlo 抱抱
xch00F
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Ayachi-
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hi19hi19
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xch00F
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RemiFlan

Rumia- wrote:

i dont see why it is wrong to discuss it on channel than messing this thread like it is already was..ursa discuss all ctb things in channel i dont see why osumania cant? what can u make victorica to read if he cant even reply mods that long.atleast in channel your words are seperated in lines so victorica probably want to read it rather than this..understand me?
i dont see what understanding you are trying to create if you know victorica is already acting like that

[ S a k u r a ] wrote:

there is a function called highlight

Sakura
Locking this while i clean up this thread.
Atrue
Stop this drama please. Please do not flame, investigate in a thread. And all discussions should be about the map itself.
Locked to prevent further trouble. Will check the posts soon and try to get the map back to its right way.
Sakura
Ok, cleaned up the thread, all infractors have been dealt with a silence.
From this point on any future drama, flame, personal attacks will be dealt with a silence, if the mapper refuses a mod, leave it be, it's their own problem in the end, it's up to them whether a map gets ranked or not in the end, there's no need to be mad over it.
Topic Starter
Sharlo
Thanks, Sakura~
Staiain
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freedom of speech eh
Kamikaze
It was obvious to me that it'll happen tbh
well, back to our daily lives
Spy
Don't do nazi mods,then it will no drama happen.
And the others,if it not your business,you should shut up.
Here is not the place for you guys to attack someone or say how map terrible it is.
osu!mania needs more harmony,not hatred.
PyaKura

Spy wrote:

Here is not the place for you guys to attack someone or say how map terrible it is.

victorica_db wrote:

if you think this is uncomfortable you should remap your aiae first
Edit : and much more
I don't know what to say anymore.
Spy

PyaKura wrote:

Spy wrote:

Here is not the place for you guys to attack someone or say how map terrible it is.

victorica_db wrote:

if you think this is uncomfortable you should remap your aiae first
Edit : and much more
I don't know what to say anymore.
When he did it,we can punish him,but it never is your business to do that.
I don't hope happen same thing in the future.
Everyone knows mania guys are childish,but they didn't say it.
Shame on you,guys.

And then I always got blamed just because of dramas,can you stand in my side to think ?

Edit:No matter what he said,at least I think it is not your business. Except you're just do something for avoiding drama happen.
BilliumMoto

Spy wrote:

When he did it,we can punish him,
but you dont
so it keeps happening
Atrue
ANY posts unrelated to the maps in the thread should be avoided in this situation. Please do not intend to investigate another drama.
Edit: Hey Sharlo you forgot to thank me~ >.>
Kamikaze
To be honest it's useless to avoid dramas at all costs, because they will happen anyway. And if modder isn't honest, then mod quality suffers from it. The thi g is, we need modders to respect mapper's style and not going overboard AND mappers being respectful towards modders, replying without swearing and stuff. If you find mod offensive, rage all you want on private chats, skype, irl, but don't take it to the forums. When you let it get to you and start being rude to one another, you automatically start an argument, which leads to dramas, silences, thread locks, etc. It's not healthy.
Keep conversations civilized. Not for yourself, but for everyone.
shionelove
i also caused drama two times
both of them is i wrote rude thing against nazi mod i thought
i should ignore such nazi comment or reply only"fixed some,thanks"

if you think you get nazi mod,just ignore or reply in polite words,even if you get angry
everyone has own views and culture
Asian and American culture are quite different
we should accept all because osu! is global game

thanks
if you think this is not for map comment,silence me because of Atrue's opinion
Spy

BilliumMoto wrote:

Spy wrote:

When he did it,we can punish him,
but you dont
so it keeps happening
Am I always free to notice these ?
Use your brain to think about it,or shut up.
And then,when it happened,is it your business ? Do you have any rights to attack someone ?
Just because of the such opinion,so the drama never reduce.

Come on,be mature.
Spy
唉,今天被矮樓管找去談話了,又沒時間看了,明天處理掉。。抱歉。。
Topic Starter
Sharlo
TAT
一拳打包间谍
Spy
;w;
Spy
First IRC check. No kudosu.
Call me back after fixed.
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2014-12-14 17:27 Icing_wind: 间谍哥
2014-12-14 17:27 Icing_wind: 我音效就上osu自带的吧
2014-12-14 17:27 Icing_wind: 就星酱那个音效
2014-12-14 17:27 Spy: 反正記得重上音效
2014-12-14 17:27 Icing_wind: 嗯
2014-12-14 17:28 Spy: 好,先irc
2014-12-14 17:28 Spy: 不知道能不能在6點處理掉
2014-12-14 17:28 Icing_wind: 嗯
2014-12-14 17:29 Spy: 00:55:673 (55673|0,55823|1,55973|2) -
2014-12-14 17:30 Spy: 排列調整一下
2014-12-14 17:30 Spy: 01:02:873 (62873|3,63023|2,63173|1) -
2014-12-14 17:30 Spy: 同
2014-12-14 17:31 Icing_wind: |1|2|3|4 第一个我从下往上 1 1 3 可以吗
2014-12-14 17:31 Icing_wind: 不对 114
2014-12-14 17:31 Spy: 就不要是階梯,因為音沒有連續的
2014-12-14 17:31 Spy: *沒有層次感
2014-12-14 17:31 Icing_wind: ok
2014-12-14 17:33 Spy: 01:57:773 -
2014-12-14 17:33 Spy: 加
2014-12-14 17:33 Spy: 01:57:923 (117923|2) - 沒音
2014-12-14 17:34 Spy: 01:58:223 (118223|2,118373|1,118523|2,118673|3,118823|1) -
2014-12-14 17:34 Spy: 全刪掉
2014-12-14 17:34 Spy: 改成01:58:223 - 加一個LN在01:58:973 - 結束
2014-12-14 17:34 Icing_wind: ok
2014-12-14 17:34 Spy: 建議LN加在2的位置(1234)
2014-12-14 17:34 Spy: 01:59:573 - 加
2014-12-14 17:35 Spy: 這一段其實很清楚,你抓的是vocal
2014-12-14 17:35 Spy: 但是中間又突然抓音變了
2014-12-14 17:35 Spy: 導致我有點看不懂
2014-12-14 17:36 Icing_wind: 之前我抓人声用了ln
2014-12-14 17:36 Spy: 都是抓一半。。
2014-12-14 17:36 Spy: 02:00:173 -
2014-12-14 17:36 Icing_wind: 中间那点有鼓点 我抓了那个就是咚咚咚的鼓点然后note代替人声
2014-12-14 17:36 Spy: 這一個KIAI整個都是這個問題
2014-12-14 17:37 Spy: 哪裡
2014-12-14 17:37 Spy: 02:24:623 - 加
2014-12-14 17:38 Icing_wind: ok
2014-12-14 17:38 Spy: 你剛剛說的地方是哪裡,指出來給我看看
2014-12-14 17:39 Icing_wind: 02:07:373 -
2014-12-14 17:39 Spy: 這裡是抓鼓點沒錯吧
2014-12-14 17:39 Spy: 如果同時有vocal的話,最好多加一個
2014-12-14 17:39 Spy: 這樣比較好理解
2014-12-14 17:40 Icing_wind: 就是这里还要加人声吗?
2014-12-14 17:40 Spy: 因為你是不是還有抓鼓 ?
2014-12-14 17:40 Spy: 是的話那你就變成一個note當2個音用,不妥
2014-12-14 17:41 Icing_wind: 嗯,我抓鼓了,但是再加人声我怕难度会剧增。。
2014-12-14 17:41 Icing_wind: 这里把鼓点去了?
2014-12-14 17:41 Spy: 很多地方你都沒控制好,會遽增很正常
2014-12-14 17:41 Spy: 要嘛抓鼓,要嘛抓人聲
2014-12-14 17:41 Spy: 要嘛就是一起抓,不要抓一半
2014-12-14 17:47 Spy: 這個KIAI你就調整
2014-12-14 17:47 Icing_wind: 间谍哥 我把我这会改的给你发过去
2014-12-14 17:47 Spy: 裡面都是這問題
2014-12-14 17:47 Spy: 後面還有呢
2014-12-14 17:47 Icing_wind: kiai?
2014-12-14 17:48 Icing_wind: 就是面条那的鼓点吗
2014-12-14 17:48 Spy: 看群
2014-12-14 17:48 Icing_wind: 嗯
2014-12-14 17:50 Spy: 02:57:623 (177623|2) -
2014-12-14 17:50 Spy: 02:57:573 - 放在這
2014-12-14 17:50 Spy: 1/6
2014-12-14 17:51 Icing_wind: ok
2014-12-14 17:54 Spy: 02:58:973 到 03:07:373 -
2014-12-14 17:55 Spy: 02:58:973 -
2014-12-14 17:55 Spy: 03:07:373 -
2014-12-14 17:55 Spy: 不要抓人聲
2014-12-14 17:55 Icing_wind: 嗯
2014-12-14 17:55 Spy: 單純抓個琴音就很充足了,而且難度也會降下來
2014-12-14 17:58 Spy: 03:07:973 - 03:08:273 -
2014-12-14 17:58 Spy: 加個點
2014-12-14 17:58 Spy: 畢竟抓人聲
2014-12-14 17:59 Spy: 大致上這樣
2014-12-14 18:00 Spy: 把那一段KIAI調整,然後音效重下,就OK了
2014-12-14 18:00 Icing_wind: ok
2014-12-14 18:00 Icing_wind: kiai调整是里面的漏音问题?
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