Nekomata Master - Avalon no oka [CatchTheBeat] · forum

Callionet

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Callionet 2014-10-01T22:41:33+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2015年9月5日 at 11:33:18

Artist: Nekomata Master
Title: Avalon no oka
Source: REFLEC BEAT groovin'!!
Tags: naoyuki sato badis crystal [_Crystal] xingxing
BPM: 158
Filesize: 4861kb
Play Time: 01:56
Difficulties Available:

Badis' raIn (4.44 stars, 511 notes)
oveRdose (4.46 stars, 594 notes)
Salad (2.11 stars, 274 notes)
Xingxing's pLatter (3.35 stars, 367 notes)

Download: Nekomata Master - Avalon no oka
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Last edited by Callionet 2017-10-21T19:34:20+00:00, edited 49 times in total.

Takuneru

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Takuneru 2014-10-06T18:17:55+00:00

Hello ~
Badis talked to me about this map, and so if you're okay with that I can do a platter guest diff.
As I said to Badis, I'm pretty busy those days so I'll be slow, BUT, when on holidays and with everything finished I'll hopefully advance more (there will be holidays soon, and I'm taking care of everything to have peaceful code/osu holidays.)
I will mod it after every other diffs is done but in the meantime here is a short mod (Badis + Nekomata + cool hitsounds, you deserve it

)

[General]
and actually pretty much only General stuff
The current platter got HP 6.3, if I do the platter I'll fix it but either way, just pointing out :3
You should add bemani and Konami to the tags, maybe game too (though pretty obvious, from reflec beat...)
You should also add anyone that did guest diffs (Badis must be on the tags), and Badis said someone else did the platter, but if so, it's mentioned nowhere ! you should mention it on the tags at least.
I also have two alterations to the background that I propose to you.
First, your background's dimensions aren't right, and personally (though I can re-do it with them) I think the black borders aren't looking great there, I cut it so they don't appear and made it the right dimension : http://puu.sh/c1SAN/1b383e9d05.jpg
but I also found on my pixiv folder a picture that may be very well fitting too, here you go (already with the right dimensions) : http://puu.sh/c1SFE/20f9229a27.jpg
This one is made by ArseniXC if you wanna credit him, there : http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php? ... d=39007953

[Badis]
(french) Tu devrais use les hitsounds de façon plus ordonnées, et moins espacés. Prends exemple sur Intensity, son overdose est plutôt bien hitsoundée de ce que j'ai vu (pas vu le gameplay en revanche).

That's all from me this time :3
Hope it'll help !

Badis

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Badis 2014-10-07T23:36:51+00:00

Ended my difficulty finally !!

now I wait for modding ;D

Last edited by Badis 2014-10-09T05:28:25+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Callionet

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Callionet 2014-10-08T09:28:39+00:00

Takuneru wrote:
Hello ~
Badis talked to me about this map, and so if you're okay with that I can do a platter guest diff.
As I said to Badis, I'm pretty busy those days so I'll be slow, BUT, when on holidays and with everything finished I'll hopefully advance more (there will be holidays soon, and I'm taking care of everything to have peaceful code/osu holidays.)
I will mod it after every other diffs is done but in the meantime here is a short mod (Badis + Nekomata + cool hitsounds, you deserve it )

[General]
and actually pretty much only General stuff
The current platter got HP 6.3, if I do the platter I'll fix it but either way, just pointing out :3
You should add bemani and Konami to the tags, maybe game too (though pretty obvious, from reflec beat...)
You should also add anyone that did guest diffs (Badis must be on the tags), and Badis said someone else did the platter, but if so, it's mentioned nowhere ! you should mention it on the tags at least.
I also have two alterations to the background that I propose to you.
First, your background's dimensions aren't right, and personally (though I can re-do it with them) I think the black borders aren't looking great there, I cut it so they don't appear and made it the right dimension : http://puu.sh/c1SAN/1b383e9d05.jpg
but I also found on my pixiv folder a picture that may be very well fitting too, here you go (already with the right dimensions) : http://puu.sh/c1SFE/20f9229a27.jpg
This one is made by ArseniXC if you wanna credit him, there : http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php? ... d=39007953

[Badis]
(french) Tu devrais use les hitsounds de façon plus ordonnées, et moins espacés. Prends exemple sur Intensity, son overdose est plutôt bien hitsoundée de ce que j'ai vu (pas vu le gameplay en revanche).

That's all from me this time :3
Hope it'll help !

added tags
bg changed

and thx 4 mod

Ttobas

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Joined November 2012

Ttobas 2014-10-08T22:57:12+00:00

Badis forced me to do that ;_;

Your map is fcable but soooo hard ;_;

(i've missed the last last last fruit :'( )

Badis

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Badis 2014-10-08T23:07:43+00:00

Mentali wrote:
Badis forced me to do that ;_;

You didn't have to say this 0_0 NOW DIE !! xD

ZHSteven

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ZHSteven 2014-10-09T17:28:39+00:00

Mark in case i forget

Inform me when you done everything

star first

Badis

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Badis 2014-10-10T01:41:21+00:00

ZHSteven wrote:
Mark in case i forget

Inform me when you done everything

star first

Ok we won't forget thanks for the star

ser_123

ser_123 2014-10-11T11:59:08+00:00

I will say somethink about overdose and rain
Badis your rain is good but you need more hitsound volume points and in the end where the Kai time start your hitsound volume is to high

Intensity your overdose is okay but an overdose without Hyperdashes i dont like maps without hyperdashes and btw you made good hitsound

Callionet

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Callionet 2014-10-11T12:07:37+00:00

ser_123 wrote:
I will say somethink about overdose and rain
Badis your rain is good but you need more hitsound volume points and in the end where the Kai time start your hitsound volume is to high

Intensity your overdose is okay but an overdose without Hyperdashes i dont like maps without hyperdashes and btw you made good hitsound

i know what you want
hyperdashes between both sides of the screen can make more pp

ser_123

ser_123 2014-10-11T15:52:16+00:00

Intensity wrote:
ser_123 wrote:
I will say somethink about overdose and rain
Badis your rain is good but you need more hitsound volume points and in the end where the Kai time start your hitsound volume is to high

Intensity your overdose is okay but an overdose without Hyperdashes i dont like maps without hyperdashes and btw you made good hitsound

i know what you want
hyperdashes between both sides of the screen can make more pp

yes but you have 0 hyperdashes in your map and thats is why find the overdose strange because with 0 hyperdashes its a little bit boring for other users or players

Callionet

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Callionet 2014-10-11T15:57:30+00:00

ser_123 wrote:
yes but you have 0 hyperdashes in your map and thats is why find the overdose strange because with 0 hyperdashes its a little bit boring for other users or players

maybe you can play other diffs
because overdose wasnt fits everyone

Badis

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Badis 2014-10-11T15:58:52+00:00

Even if his map has no hyperdash thats a very hard map just try it and you'll see it really deserve the name of "Overdose"
And I think its pretty original and I find it impressive that intensity made a hard map without using any hyperdash

ser_123 wrote:
Badis your rain is good but you need more hitsound volume points and in the end where the Kai time start your hitsound volume is to high

I'll make the kiai less loud
But what do you mean by "need more hitsound volume points" ? you need to be more precise please ^^
Updated for the kiai : http://puu.sh/c8A5d/10e435768e.osu o/

ZHSteven

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ZHSteven 2014-10-12T10:57:21+00:00

ser_123 wrote:
Intensity your overdose is okay but an overdose without Hyperdashes i dont like maps without hyperdashes and btw you made good hitsound

Originally this game do not have anything called "hyperdashes".

hyperdash is meant to help players catch something impossible to catch. But do not misunderstand, hyperdash is never "NEED" to be in any of the map, although it is an extreme map.

Boring or not is not depending on hyperdashes, but patterns. Please try to play more and understand what mapper want to express in maps, before you go into conclusion.

ser_123

ser_123 2014-10-12T12:57:20+00:00

i mean red fruit jumps i dont what is called but i mean you need some red fruits in your overdose because the user or player who played your map without any red dashes will get bored i thing and i play all overdoses and you need more platterns.And btw i fced the map with 2 trys is not hard for me!!

badis with hitsound volume points i mean you need more

from that (more parts where the volume increase and decrease) .

sorry my english is very bad!

ZHSteven

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ZHSteven 2014-10-12T13:03:10+00:00

I never think no hyperdash(red fruit) means boring.
Maybe you can try my flower dance, before you can say"no hyperdash means boring".

DJ Okawari - Flower Dance (steven's Flower)

Crystal

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Crystal 2014-10-12T13:58:08+00:00

nice work

thank you for no hyperdashes, im too noob at catching them ;-;

Callionet

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Callionet 2014-10-12T15:25:51+00:00

Crystal wrote:
nice work

thank you for no hyperdashes, im too noob at catching them ;-;

谢歇你们

ser_123

ser_123 2014-10-17T05:12:32+00:00

ZHSteven wrote:
I never think no hyperdash(red fruit) means boring.
Maybe you can try my flower dance, before you can say"no hyperdash means boring".

DJ Okawari - Flower Dance (steven's Flower)

dude i know that map. I just say that because i get that from the past from ctb bats (Krah) or other mappers.They said to me and overdose or rain without
hyperdash is boring and not rankable!

ZHSteven

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ZHSteven 2014-10-17T06:50:55+00:00

ser_123 wrote:
dude i know that map. I just say that because i get that from the past from ctb bats (Krah) or other mappers.They said to me and overdose or rain without
hyperdash is boring and not rankable!

Ok if that is the case.
This is the first time I heard that rankable or not depending on the amount of hyperdash. I'd like to know who is the person saying so....

By the way, it is fine to think of a map is so called "boring", But please do not say that is unrankable only by this. There is not any relationship between them.

@intensity:
虽然说他是瞎扯淡，但是你既然决定做无红果Ex, 那么就应该知道做这种图的难点是最大跳的距离被限制死了，那么专有梗就会变得非常有限。现在你的图的问题就是这个。梗太少，翻来覆去就是那么几个，剩下的移动又没有出彩。这样才会让嘴巴选手说“boring".
所以你要想办法绝对突出你要突出的东西，梗灵活一点，比如说活用站跳(stand jump)，四方跳之类的无红果就能很有威力的梗

做跳的时候我建议你首先要了解l两个参数：极限距离，极限无跳距离。
然后根据这两个参数来确定你的SV.对于这张图，这个SV应该是稍稍比极限无跳距离多，保证平放slider的时候必须要让玩家用到dash
最后把SV的距离和极限距离抄在tag上。作跳梗的时候多参考这2个数，会很有帮助的（我一般都是这么弄的0.0）

Callionet

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Callionet 2014-10-17T08:48:28+00:00

ZHSteven wrote:
ser_123 wrote:
dude i know that map. I just say that because i get that from the past from ctb bats (Krah) or other mappers.They said to me and overdose or rain without
hyperdash is boring and not rankable!
Ok if that is the case.
This is the first time I heard that rankable or not depending on the amount of hyperdash. I'd like to know who is the person saying so....

By the way, it is fine to think of a map is so called "boring", But please do not say that is unrankable only by this. There is not any relationship between them.

@intensity:
虽然说他是瞎扯淡，但是你既然决定做无红果Ex, 那么就应该知道做这种图的难点是最大跳的距离被限制死了，那么专有梗就会变得非常有限。现在你的图的问题就是这个。梗太少，翻来覆去就是那么几个，剩下的移动又没有出彩。这样才会让嘴巴选手说“boring".
所以你要想办法绝对突出你要突出的东西，梗灵活一点，比如说活用站跳(stand jump)，四方跳之类的无红果就能很有威力的梗

做跳的时候我建议你首先要了解l两个参数：极限距离，极限无跳距离。
然后根据这两个参数来确定你的SV.对于这张图，这个SV应该是稍稍比极限无跳距离多，保证平放slider的时候必须要让玩家用到dash
最后把SV的距离和极限距离抄在tag上。作跳梗的时候多参考这2个数，会很有帮助的（我一般都是这么弄的0.0）

不理
反正它肯定不能因为打狂喷一波我随意

顺便改了几个地方

ser_123

ser_123 2014-10-17T13:18:48+00:00

i didnt say it is unrankable i mean just only or i will give you tipps for that more users playing your map

Crystal

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Crystal 2014-10-18T13:33:01+00:00

ser_123 wrote:
i didnt say it is unrankable i mean just only or i will give you tipps for that more users playing your map

plz notice that non-hyperdash maps are also fun for some players especially when it fits the song. to me, this overdose difficulty fits the song because of that, since the rhythm is stable, in another word, it's smooth. when i play/map the song, i didn't find any reason to put many or even a few sudden hyperdashes. keeping a special (but decent) style on mapping doesn't mean it's less playable.

ser_123

ser_123 2014-10-18T18:24:43+00:00

i will give you only tipps its your choice !!

Callionet

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Callionet 2014-10-18T18:27:57+00:00

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ursa

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ursa 2014-10-20T13:05:58+00:00

I see a gold on this map , Star

also

you can contact me ingame if you need advice/mod

Callionet

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Callionet 2014-10-20T14:57:32+00:00

ursa wrote:
I see a gold on this map , Star

also

you can contact me ingame if you need advice/mod

thx

ZiRoX

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ZiRoX 2014-11-02T18:08:12+00:00

[General Comment]

Each diff is fine, with some minor issues in my opinion. But overall, the spread is not really good: the difference between Max Combo is weird (404 --> 802 --> 913 --> 915) which brings up some score problems (Max Score on Rain is higher than on Overdose).

[Salad]

Timeline and Patterns

00:45:752 (1,2,3) - Since this is less than 1/1 closer to the spinner, I would start it closer to the center.
01:35:246 (5,1,2) - I think the jump fits better between (1,2) rather than (5,1). Also, the (5,1) jump is the only time I needed to dash on the song, making it extremely unexpected.

New Combo

00:22:714 (6) - Add NC
00:28:790 (5) - Add NC
00:31:828 (5) - Add NC
00:47:018 (5) - Add NC
00:50:056 (6) - Add NC
01:00:562 (1) - Remove NC
01:00:689 (2) - Add NC
01:32:588 (4) - Add NC
01:35:499 (1) - Remove NC
01:35:626 (2) - Add NC

[Xingxing's pLatter]

As an overall suggestion, I would try to reduce Max Combo on this diff to create a better spread between diffs.

Song Settings

Slider Velocity 2,50 is too much for a Platter, it's noticeable on the horizontal sliders like this one 01:30:309 (1) -

Timeline and Patterns

00:10:562 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Why don't you reduce distance a bit on this part? The song is just starting. Set (4) to x:272, (5) to x:160 and (6) to x:48 to keep the same idea but with a little less distance.
00:12:018 (9) - I don't think this adds too much to the map. It isn't audible and it doesn't look too good; it also doesn't allow for a jump between 00:11:702 (8,1) - that would fit nicely.
00:20:056 (5) - Reduce this jump slightly as there's nothing at the song hinting it, something around x2,5 should be fine.
00:41:322 (4) - Reduce this jump a bit to make it a bit easier with the direction change. Around x:200 seems good.
00:58:917 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:01:955 (1,2) - I would place them the other way around: the second pattern (the reverse sliders) on 00:58:917 - and the first one on 01:01:955 - , since the second one is easier (it serves as an "introduction" to the rhythm in that part).
01:37:145 - 01:43:157 - I would reduce the distance of all this part, as this is calmer than the Kiai Time. Specially, I would reduce distance at 01:37:145 (1,2) - because it requires direction change after an hyperdash.
01:54:613 (9) - Move it to the border to follow the hyperdash movement. Stopping after a x5,30 jump is a skill I would not test in a Platter.

New Combo

00:19:676 (4) - Add NC
00:25:752 (5) - Add NC
00:30:309 (9) - Add NC
00:30:689 (1) - Remove NC
00:31:828 (4) - Add NC
00:34:486 (4) - Add NC
00:47:018 (5) - Add NC
00:50:056 (6) - Add NC
01:11:322 (5) - Add NC
01:38:664 (6) - Add NC
01:41:702 (5) - Add NC

[Badis' raIn]

Timeline and Patterns

00:06:005 (1,2) - Reduce distance, this jump doesn't fit. Move it to x:364
00:09:930 (9) - Reduce distance, move to x:208 for a better flow
00:12:714 (4,5) - This hyperdash doesn't fit the music. Also, why don't you try this in the timeline?
SPOILER
00:25:499 (5) - Try Ctrl+G on this, you can also move it to the right if you want to keep the small jump. I think it creates a bit more variety (you like to use reversed triangles a lot!)
00:32:461 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Since this is not really needed, I'd turn it to a 1/3 stream to reduce note density and reduce Max Combo. This plays fine:
SPOILER
00:38:601 (2) - This note is not necessary, remove it (Max Combo reason)
00:51:892 (2) - Remove note (same reason)
01:36:385 (7) - Copy 01:36:765 (8) - here

New Combo

00:07:904 (1) - Remove NC
00:09:043 (6) - Add NC
00:24:993 (4) - Add NC
00:28:031 (7) - Add NC
00:30:309 (7) - Add NC
00:42:461 (10) - Add NC
00:44:360 (9) - Add NC
00:47:778 (8) - Add NC
01:03:727 (2) - Add NC
01:05:246 (6) - Add NC
01:06:005 (1) - Remove NC
01:06:765 (5) - Add NC
01:15:879 (4) - Add NC
01:20:436 (7) - Add NC
01:24:993 (3) - Add NC
01:34:107 (6) - Add NC
01:38:664 (5) - Add NC
01:50:816 (5) - Add NC
01:53:854 (7) - Add NC

Last edited by ZiRoX 2014-11-22T14:16:18+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Callionet

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Callionet 2014-11-03T08:00:17+00:00

ZiRoX wrote:
[General Comment]
Each diff is fine, with some minor issues in my opinion. But overall, the spread is not really good: the difference between Max Combo is weird (404 --> 802 --> 913 --> 915) which brings up some score problems (Max Score on Rain is higher than on Overdose).

[Salad]
Timeline and Patterns
00:45:752 (1,2,3) - Since this is less than 1/1 closer to the spinner, I would start it closer to the center. fixed
01:35:246 (5,1,2) - I think the jump fits better between (1,2) rather than (5,1). Also, the (5,1) jump is the only time I needed to dash on the song, making it extremely unexpected.fixed
New Combo
00:22:714 (6) - Add NC added
00:28:790 (5) - Add NC added
00:31:828 (5) - Add NC added
00:47:018 (5) - Add NC added
00:50:056 (6) - Add NC added
01:00:562 (1) - Remove NC removed
01:00:689 (2) - Add NC added
01:32:588 (4) - Add NC added
01:35:499 (1) - Remove NC removed
01:35:626 (2) - Add NC added

[Xingxing's pLatter]
As an overall suggestion, I would try to reduce Max Combo on this diff to create a better spread between diffs.
Song Settings
Slider Velocity 2,50 is too much for a Platter, it's noticeable on the horizontal sliders like this one 01:30:309 (1) -
Timeline and Patterns
00:10:562 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Why don't you reduce distance a bit on this part? The song is just starting. Set (4) to x:272, (5) to x:160 and (6) to x:48 to keep the same idea but with a little less distance.
00:12:018 (9) - I don't think this adds too much to the map. It isn't audible and it doesn't look too good; it also doesn't allow for a jump between 00:11:702 (8,1) - that would fit nicely.
00:20:056 (5) - Reduce this jump slightly as there's nothing at the song hinting it, something around x2,5 should be fine.
00:41:322 (4) - Reduce this jump a bit to make it a bit easier with the direction change. Around x:200 seems good.
00:58:917 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:01:955 (1,2) - I would place them the other way around: the second pattern (the reverse sliders) on 00:58:917 - and the first one on 01:01:955 - , since the second one is easier (it serves as an "introduction" to the rhythm in that part).
01:37:145 - 01:43:157 - I would reduce the distance of all this part, as this is calmer than the Kiai Time. Specially, I would reduce distance at 01:37:145 (1,2) - because it requires direction change after an hyperdash.
01:54:613 (9) - Move it to the border to follow the hyperdash movement. Stopping after a x5,30 jump is a skill I would not test in a Platter.
New Combo
00:19:676 (4) - Add NC
00:25:752 (5) - Add NC
00:30:309 (9) - Add NC
00:30:689 (1) - Remove NC
00:31:828 (4) - Add NC
00:34:486 (4) - Add NC
00:47:018 (5) - Add NC
00:50:056 (6) - Add NC
01:11:322 (5) - Add NC
01:38:664 (6) - Add NC
01:41:702 (5) - Add NC

[Badis' raIn]
Timeline and Patterns
00:06:005 (1,2) - Reduce distance, this jump doesn't fit. Move it to x:364
00:09:930 (9) - Reduce distance, move to x:208 for a better flow
00:12:714 (4,5) - This hyperdash doesn't fit the music. Also, why don't you try this in the timeline?
SPOILER
00:25:499 (5) - Try Ctrl+G on this, you can also move it to the right if you want to keep the small jump. I think it creates a bit more variety (you like to use reversed triangles a lot!)
00:32:461 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Since this is not really needed, I'd turn it to a 1/3 stream to reduce note density and reduce Max Combo. This plays fine:
SPOILER
00:38:601 (2) - This note is not necessary, remove it (Max Combo reason)
00:51:892 (2) - Remove note (same reason)
01:36:385 (7) - Copy 01:36:765 (8) - here
New Combo
00:07:904 (1) - Remove NC
00:09:043 (6) - Add NC
00:24:993 (4) - Add NC
00:28:031 (7) - Add NC
00:30:309 (7) - Add NC
00:42:461 (10) - Add NC
00:44:360 (9) - Add NC
00:47:778 (8) - Add NC
01:03:727 (2) - Add NC
01:05:246 (6) - Add NC
01:06:005 (1) - Remove NC
01:06:765 (5) - Add NC
01:15:879 (4) - Add NC
01:20:436 (7) - Add NC
01:24:993 (3) - Add NC
01:34:107 (6) - Add NC
01:38:664 (5) - Add NC
01:50:816 (5) - Add NC
01:53:854 (7) - Add NC

[OveRdose]
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Badis

416 posts

Joined November 2010

Badis 2014-11-04T05:33:10+00:00

ZiRoX wrote:
[Badis' raIn]
Timeline and Patterns
00:06:005 (1,2) - Reduce distance, this jump doesn't fit. Move it to x:364 Fixed
00:09:930 (9) - Reduce distance, move to x:208 for a better flow True that (fixed)
00:12:714 (4,5) - This hyperdash doesn't fit the music. Also, why don't you try this in the timeline? Yeah why not its true the hyperdash has no place here o/
SPOILER
00:25:499 (5) - Try Ctrl+G on this, you can also move it to the right if you want to keep the small jump. I think it creates a bit more variety (you like to use reversed triangles a lot!) Nah I prefer my version its more technique (remember its a rain :p) and yeah this music fit well with reversed triangles so I think I overused it ahah
00:32:461 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Since this is not really needed, I'd turn it to a 1/3 stream to reduce note density and reduce Max Combo. This plays fine: I wouldn't change because the music suggest to put streams but to reduce combo seems like I don't have more choise
SPOILER
00:38:601 (2) - This note is not necessary, remove it (Max Combo reason) Fixed , I changed the pattern because it was too static with this removing
00:51:892 (2) - Remove note (same reason) Ok , it has better flow without 2 so I didn't change the pattern o/
01:36:385 (7) - Copy 01:36:765 (8) - here I didn't understand what you wanted to say sorry x) but for decrease combo max I put 2 sliders (the bloc was pretty hard to catch so I wanted to erase him anyway)
New Combo
00:07:904 (1) - Remove NC
00:09:043 (6) - Add NC
00:24:993 (4) - Add NC
00:28:031 (7) - Add NC
00:30:309 (7) - Add NC
00:42:461 (10) - Add NC
00:44:360 (9) - Add NC
00:47:778 (8) - Add NC
01:03:727 (2) - Add NC
01:05:246 (6) - Add NC
01:06:005 (1) - Remove NC
01:06:765 (5) - Add NC
01:15:879 (4) - Add NC
01:20:436 (7) - Add NC
01:24:993 (3) - Add NC
01:34:107 (6) - Add NC
01:38:664 (5) - Add NC
01:50:816 (5) - Add NC
01:53:854 (7) - Add NC
Fixed for all

Thanks for your modding dude that was intresting and you find good tricks to decrease the combo
Rain : 903 combo (22 078 380) / Overdose : 915 combo (22 213 960)

Tuturu !! :3

osu file format v13

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Title:Avalon no oka
TitleUnicode:アヴァロンの丘
Artist:Nekomata Master
ArtistUnicode:猫叉Master
Creator:Intensity
Version:Badis' raIn
Source:REFLEC BEAT groovin'!!
Tags:naoyuki sato badis crystal [_Crystal] takuneru
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Crystal

Former osu!catch Champion: 2018

1,122 posts

Joined June 2012

Crystal 2014-11-04T13:22:36+00:00

ZiRoX wrote:
[Xingxing's pLatter]
As an overall suggestion, I would try to reduce Max Combo on this diff to create a better spread between diffs. hmm.. it seems better to change STR in salad to 3 :3
Song Settings
Slider Velocity 2,50 is too much for a Platter, it's noticeable on the horizontal sliders like this one 01:30:309 (1) -
Timeline and Patterns
00:10:562 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Why don't you reduce distance a bit on this part? The song is just starting. Set (4) to x:272, (5) to x:160 and (6) to x:48 to keep the same idea but with a little less distance. i changed it in my way
00:12:018 (9) - I don't think this adds too much to the map. It isn't audible and it doesn't look too good; it also doesn't allow for a jump between 00:11:702 (8,1) - that would fit nicely.
00:20:056 (5) - Reduce this jump slightly as there's nothing at the song hinting it, something around x2,5 should be fine.
00:41:322 (4) - Reduce this jump a bit to make it a bit easier with the direction change. Around x:200 seems good.
00:58:917 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:01:955 (1,2) - I would place them the other way around: the second pattern (the reverse sliders) on 00:58:917 - and the first one on 01:01:955 - , since the second one is easier (it serves as an "introduction" to the rhythm in that part).
01:37:145 - 01:43:157 - I would reduce the distance of all this part, as this is calmer than the Kiai Time. Specially, I would reduce distance at 01:37:145 (1,2) - because it requires direction change after an hyperdash. did some changes in my way so that it's easier
01:54:613 (9) - Move it to the border to follow the hyperdash movement. Stopping after a x5,30 jump is a skill I would not test in a Platter.
New Combo
00:19:676 (4) - Add NC
00:25:752 (5) - Add NC
00:30:309 (9) - Add NC
00:30:689 (1) - Remove NC
00:31:828 (4) - Add NC
00:34:486 (4) - Add NC
00:47:018 (5) - Add NC
00:50:056 (6) - Add NC
01:11:322 (5) - Add NC
01:38:664 (6) - Add NC
01:41:702 (5) - Add NC

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Title:Avalon no oka
TitleUnicode:アヴァロンの丘
Artist:Nekomata Master
ArtistUnicode:猫叉Master
Creator:Intensity
Version:Xingxing's pLatter
Source:REFLEC BEAT groovin'!!
Tags:naoyuki sato badis crystal [_Crystal] takuneru
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-Ryuujii-

259 posts

Joined November 2012

-Ryuujii- 2014-11-04T19:11:03+00:00

ser_123 wrote:
i didnt say it is unrankable i mean just only or i will give you tipps for that more users playing your map

do you have enough experience in CTB playing/mapping to be giving your "advices" or more like unnecessary criticism. Let the mapper show/map whatever he/she feels like and try to understand what he/she wants to express by his/her mapping style.

p.s Crystal, i love the map, i enjoyed it a lot.

pieguyn

2,020 posts

Joined May 2009

pieguyn 2014-12-14T01:18:33+00:00

sorry for delay

[Salad]
01:03:221 (6,7) - move it a bit right? seems most of the patterns can be made without dash, but given the pattern before it, it's kind of hard to catch this without dash.
01:25:246 (2,3) - move left? same idea as 01:03:221 (6,7) - .

[Xingxing's pLatter]
nice

[Badis' raIn]
00:06:195 (2) - start it 1/6 later plz, current rhythm is wrong
00:42:778 (2,3) - imo this 1/6 jump is unnatural to play. it doesnt match anything in the music and there don't seem to be any other 1/6 jumps o.o move (2) left?
00:56:512 (1) - end it 1/6 later. entire song is 1/3, so this rhythm is more natural.
01:11:955 (3) - try this rhythm? http://puu.sh/dtCUe/7b243a9390.jpg imo it's more fitting to have kickslider start on beat
01:13:474 (3,4,5,6,7) - use a repeat slider here to keep consistency? http://puu.sh/dtD31/8305169d0d.jpg
01:40:056 (1) - move it left a bit? imo the change in direction + huge distance makes 01:40:436 (2) - a bit hard to notice.
01:47:778 (1,2,3) - having a back-and-forth + huge distance is a huge stretch to play imo. imo CTRL+G on (2) and move a bit to the right plays a lot better.

[overDose]
00:41:069 (2,3) - imo this jump is kind of a stretch to catch. since the pattern leading up to it flows strongly to the right, a large jump to the left is unexpected. move these a bit closer to each other?
00:50:942 (7,8,9) - imo the change in direction here, followed by a large jump, is a stretch to play (especially when u already have to catch the chaotic pattern before it). imo move 00:51:196 (9,1) - a bit to the right fixes it.
01:22:588 (1) - it's a bit hard to notice this note in time since it's so far to the left. maybe move it right a bit?
01:39:550 (2) - this throws me off every time since 01:39:550 (2,3) - is the opposite direction after the slider ends. might just be me, though
01:40:563 (3,4) - imo this jump is a bit hard to play bc there's a lot of movement before it. i'd move 01:40:499 (2,3) - left a bit to make the distance less.
01:53:854 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - it's so mean to put smth like this at the end of the map

it should be fine though
awesome diff

nice map

gl

Callionet

Former osu!catch Champion: 2016

240 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

Callionet 2014-12-14T08:47:06+00:00

pieguy1372 wrote:
sorry for delay

[Salad]
01:03:221 (6,7) - move it a bit right? seems most of the patterns can be made without dash, but given the pattern before it, it's kind of hard to catch this without dash.
01:25:246 (2,3) - move left? same idea as 01:03:221 (6,7) - .

[overDose]
00:41:069 (2,3) - imo this jump is kind of a stretch to catch. since the pattern leading up to it flows strongly to the right, a large jump to the left is unexpected. move these a bit closer to each other?
00:50:942 (7,8,9) - imo the change in direction here, followed by a large jump, is a stretch to play (especially when u already have to catch the chaotic pattern before it). imo move 00:51:196 (9,1) - a bit to the right fixes it.
01:22:588 (1) - it's a bit hard to notice this note in time since it's so far to the left. maybe move it right a bit?
01:39:550 (2) - this throws me off every time since 01:39:550 (2,3) - is the opposite direction after the slider ends. might just be me, though
01:40:563 (3,4) - imo this jump is a bit hard to play bc there's a lot of movement before it. i'd move 01:40:499 (2,3) - left a bit to make the distance less.
01:53:854 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - it's so mean to put smth like this at the end of the map it should be fine though
awesome diff

nice map gl

All fixed

thx for mod

Badis

416 posts

Joined November 2010

Badis 2014-12-14T09:39:43+00:00

pieguy1372 wrote:
sorry for delay

[Badis' raIn]
00:06:195 (2) - start it 1/6 later plz, current rhythm is wrong Fixed
00:42:778 (2,3) - imo this 1/6 jump is unnatural to play. it doesnt match anything in the music and there don't seem to be any other 1/6 jumps o.o move (2) left? I wanted to create a pattern that requiers a good timing because its a 1/6 but well I can change that o/ (I like the pattern more now ^^ )
00:56:512 (1) - end it 1/6 later. entire song is 1/3, so this rhythm is more natural. Fixed
01:11:955 (3) - try this rhythm? http://puu.sh/dtCUe/7b243a9390.jpg imo it's more fitting to have kickslider start on beat thanks for that I didn't noticed the timing were wrong
01:13:474 (3,4,5,6,7) - use a repeat slider here to keep consistency? http://puu.sh/dtD31/8305169d0d.jpg I changed in my way ^^
01:40:056 (1) - move it left a bit? imo the change in direction + huge distance makes 01:40:436 (2) - a bit hard to notice. True that , I changed the whole pattern the flow should be better
01:47:778 (1,2,3) - having a back-and-forth + huge distance is a huge stretch to play imo. imo CTRL+G on (2) and move a bit to the right plays a lot better. Changed the whole pattern , I like it more this way

Thanks for modding dude it was good suggestions

Tuturu !! :3

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Serena-

454 posts

Joined December 2012

Serena- 2014-12-23T05:56:30+00:00

okay first mod since decades ago

[General]
First of all, the Difficulty Spread is too unbalanced. the difficulty of the Rain and Overdose is almost the same imo, and the gap between the Salad and Platter is just too much.
Also for the Rain and Overdose, like the streams and stuff the distances between the notes are not even, which makes it look kind of messy. I didn't point these out in the mod, because you guys might have intended it, but it kinda bothers me too..

[Salad]
01:35:246 (5,6) - this is really a tight jump. i suggest you to reduce the distance or move 01:35:626 (1) - (and the rest) to x:504
not much to say, jg

[Xingxing's pLatter]
ar 8.3? that is too fast especially when the Salad is ar 6. i suggest ar8
this Platter breaks the difficulty spread, too hard for a platter(Salad=2.17 stars, Platter=3.85, Rain=4.39, Overdose=4.35)
here are some suggestions to make it easier

the sv is too high try 2 or somewhere close to that
00:09:043 (1) - reduce distance
00:13:600 (1) - ^
00:16:892 (3,4,5,6) - ^
00:33:221 (8,1) - a HD and followed with a slider heading the opposite way is too hard
00:36:385 (1,2) - reduce distance
i won't go on, cuz it will be most of the hard patterns x.x

srsly i actually failed on my first try DTing this

[Badis' raIn]
00:16:765 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - ctrl+h maybe?
00:32:461 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - really bothers me at least increase the volume to 15% plz orz
01:17:904 (2) - x:204
01:18:284 (5) - x:192
01:35:499 (1,2,3,4,5) - dat distance ;w;

[oveRdose]
You should use more HDes imo (places like 00:08:158 (5) - )
00:32:968 (4) - HD or reduce distance plz

I won't really touch this diff, i respect your mapping style c: (becuz if i do mod this, it would be saying like chagne everything)

well good luck~

Badis

416 posts

Joined November 2010

Badis 2014-12-23T09:21:16+00:00

Serena- wrote:
okay first mod since decades ago
[General]
the difficulty of the Rain and Overdose is almost the same

I'll try to decrease the difficulty of my map...I'll try ^^

Serena- wrote:
Also for the Rain and Overdose, like the streams and stuff the distances between the notes are not even, which makes it look kind of messy. I didn't point these out in the mod, because you guys might have intended it, but it kinda bothers me too..

It was made on purpose , I used Intensity's style because it fit well with the music and background , which is a pretty natural art ; so why not create a natural map that sometimes doesn't respect symetry

Serena- wrote:
[Badis' raIn]
00:16:765 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - ctrl+h maybe? Changed the whole pattern , I didn't like it now but month ago I thought it was a nice idea ^^'
00:32:461 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - really bothers me at least increase the volume to 15% plz orzDid progressive volume (60 --> 15 %) its more smooth now o/
01:17:904 (2) - x:204 Nope , I really wanted to make this part pretty technical , I changed to 220 bot not less :p
01:18:284 (5) - x:192 Nope , same comment as before x)
01:35:499 (1,2,3,4,5) - dat distance ;w; Changed the whole pattern , I noticed it was repetitive with the last spacing at the end

Thanks for your modding serena :3

Tuturu !! :3

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Callionet

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Callionet 2014-12-23T09:47:48+00:00

Serena- wrote:
okay first mod since decades ago
[General]
First of all, the Difficulty Spread is too unbalanced. the difficulty of the Rain and Overdose is almost the same imo, and the gap between the Salad and Platter is just too much.
Also for the Rain and Overdose, like the streams and stuff the distances between the notes are not even, which makes it look kind of messy. I didn't point these out in the mod, because you guys might have intended it, but it kinda bothers me too.. I'll consider.

[Salad]
01:35:246 (5,6) - this is really a tight jump. i suggest you to reduce the distance or move 01:35:626 (1) - (and the rest) to x:504
not much to say, jg reduced

[oveRdose]
You should use more HDes imo (places like 00:08:158 (5) - )
00:32:968 (4) - HD or reduce distance plz reduced

I won't really touch this diff, i respect your mapping style c: (becuz if i do mod this, it would be saying like chagne everything)

well good luck~

thx 4 mod

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