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Nightwish - Dead to the World [Osu|Taiko]

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Luvdic
2,113 posts
Joined July 2009
Topic Starter
Luvdic

Loneight wrote:

Hi o/
Request from In-game.

[general]

  1. I feel 02:40:834 - ~ 02:42:526 - notes delay
    It does feels a bit late... luckily I only put sliders on these parts, lol (okno, will get more opinions)
  2. add "Century Child" which is the song from to tag
    Okay

[Easy]

  1. Useless green line:
    green line
    03:36:021 -
    Deleted, but its also kinda useless to delete it, since it should be a copy paste form insane diff
  2. 00:37:349 (4,1) - swap NC to make a tips where is 00:38:618 (1) -
    Okay
  3. 02:38:297 (3) - just suggestion, how about make it like this? just feel more suitable for the vocal or flow IMO, if you want, copy 02:37:451 (2) - , rotate 210° and move to 504|272
    I like it more the way it is now
  4. 02:53:944 (2) - did you miss a clap? I feel a little weird, there is same as 02:50:561 (2) - thus sound shouldn't be different, try to add a clap
    Yes I did, thanks!
  5. 03:41:731 (2,1) - swap NC to make there be like 03:48:497 (1,2) - . And 03:43:422 (2,1) - Same as here
  6. 04:12:179 (4) - NC, just think there is a new start for rhythm like 04:05:412 (1) -
    All done
just think, maybe you used copying in this diff (run, anyway, solid diff
Ahahah I did, for some sections ;)


[Hard]

  1. try to OD+1, because Insane's OD is 7, make Hard's OD to 6 would be better for diff spread
    I think OD is fine, even more considering the amounts of triples
  2. about the AR, 7 maybe would make player confused to hit streams, try the AR 8, would be easier to read your streams
    Used 7.3
  3. 01:32:220 (3) - just feel it's unnecessary, try to remove it to emphasize the guitar like 01:33:806 (2,3) - ?
    which is same as here
    01:35:603 (3) -
    01:45:752 (5) -
    01:47:444 (3) -
    01:49:135 (3) -
    01:50:827 (5) -
    The triples are precisely there to emphasize the guitar!
  4. 01:54:527 (1,7) - swap NC, I think new rhythm is start at 01:55:162 - thus need to have a NC, if you fix this, 01:56:853 (1) - remove NC
  5. 02:20:747 (6) - make there get a NC to show the rhythm change
  6. 03:33:484 (2,2) - don't make it overlap, I worry player would be confused, separate them a little
  7. 03:52:091 (7) - NC it to be same as 04:05:624 (1) -
    All done!
just think is too many streams for a Hard, anyway, it's make me Hard (run
Considering how hard the insanes are, this diff should be okay

[Insane]

  1. 02:07:531 (1,2) - the flow is very uncomfortable and there is a little hard to read because note is below the screen, I think ctrl+G would be better. 02:07:848 (3,4) - same as here, but reason is uncomfortable flow

    Totally intentional
  2. 02:49:292 (3,1) - swap NC to make a prompt for 02:49:715 (1) - . And 02:50:983 (5,1) - same as here
  3. 02:52:041 (4) - NC because there have jump immediately
    All done
  4. 03:20:163 (4) - how about ctrl+G? flow would be more smooth
    I prefer it more the way it is now ;)
fine to me
that's all
good luck
Thanks! Will get to your map asap!

As for charles comments, Will get to it later, since it requires more complex answers, and right now dont have much time for it.

And as for other changes that applies for whole mapset, will wait for other's mappers changes before making them!
Nwolf
2,604 posts
Joined September 2012
Nwolf

Loneight wrote:

Hi o/
Request from In-game.

[Nwolf's Muzukashii]

  1. 01:07:692 (101) - move it to 01:07:296 would be more suitable IMO, though will make it harder nice idea, changed. Also changed the beginning of the kiai to kat (same as Oni)
  2. 01:27:885 (185) - how about move to 01:27:462 - to follow the piano? yes
  3. 02:28:570 (32) - change to d to make 02:28:147 (29,30,31,32) - be adverse of 02:27:301 (25,26,27,28) - ? And 02:34:491 (59) - same as here prefer a kat to keep the rhythm consistent (kat on 2 / 4).
  4. 02:41:257 (25) - how about move it to 02:41:468 and change to k? feel a little weird when 02:41:468 is empty. And 02:42:103 (29) - same as here mapped slightly different
  5. 03:07:899 (17) - maybe change to k to follow the vocal
changed
nothing to say~

[Nwolf's Oni]

  1. 00:25:085 (99,101) - feel a little weird, how about ctrl+G to follow guitar? guitar is more obvious than other sounds. And 00:31:851 (145,146) - same as here want more emphasis on the big kat
  2. 02:28:781 (59) - I hear there is same as 02:35:548 (121) - , but different rhythm, try to change to k? pretty much the same reason as above, don is intentional
  3. 02:42:102 (41) - change to d? I think dkddk would be more suitable yes
  4. 03:59:491 (103) - change to k? but IDK how to explain...maybe would be suitable? might be easier to play, gonna consider this change for a future update
that's all
good luck
thanks!

http://puu.sh/aS1Hg/46a8548bf0.osu Muzu
http://puu.sh/aS1HG/e09cef1d4f.osu Oni
changed timing sections to fit the beginning volume in my diffs better btw
Shiro
Global Moderator
4,984 posts
Joined May 2009
Shiro

Charles445 wrote:

[Shiro's Insane]
Sick jumps, I like that when the guitar goes BLAWWHH or something the spacing gets way bigger \o/ this diff is fun
02:20:535 - I see what you did there -> http://puu.sh/aQaDz.jpg Holy tails, someone noticed O_O
02:50:561 (7) - loooool dem guitars yo best slider !
02:54:578 (6,7) - Hard to tell when to start pressing keys again. Probably a good idea to end the repeat slider 2 repeats earlier, then make the first circle with a new combo at not touching the slider. -> http://puu.sh/aQamu.jpg I'm not quite sure about this, actually. The testplays I had hit this correctly, and it would feel weird to end early. I'll keep this in mind and change if other people point it out !
Thanks !

Loneight wrote:

[Shiro's Insane]

  1. 00:05:199 (1) - Unsnapped slider, please fix it That should be fixed.
  2. 00:52:362 (4,5) - did they miss sound about Sampleset: Normal? No, I only used normal samplesets to lead into this part of the structure of the map. You can check the rest of the diff !
  3. 03:02:183 (10) - just suggestion, player would be confused for there, NC to show there has anti-jump I believe that the spacing change is significant enough for this not to be read as 1/4, especially after the whole part that has barely any.
  4. 03:45:318 (6) - NC it like 02:06:996 (1) - to make there easier to read? Good catch, but the new combo should be a bit before~
  5. 04:15:132 (1) - I think you should NC to prompt there is a big jump The rhythm gap makes this very readable !
solid diff! nothing to say
thanks for the mod !

http://puu.sh/aTZsc/c7ffd15e5d.osu
Luvdic
2,113 posts
Joined July 2009
Topic Starter
Luvdic

Charles445 wrote:

Quick overview (Insane and Shiro's Insane)
This is not a mod, so no KD

Some hitsounds have a significant delay before their perceived beat (~10 ms for some). The smaller the better, try editing them with Audacity to fix any lead-in issues.
Should not be...? They are the same hitsounds that comes default

Many moments where the timing is 15 ms late. Try -7 to offset to try and even out the variance (-7, +8).
Fixed

[Insane]
00:05:209 (1,2) - Immediately confused by the rhythm. First there is no audio-leadin to the first circle so it's 100/50 galore, then 3/4 beat spacing to the next note which is inherently confusing (players are used to multiples of 1/2 and 1/4. 3/4 of a beat between notes has and always will be confusing.
Yes, thats why I mapped this part extra easy, making sure that the 1/4 beats lands on a slider, and so on.

00:40:732 - First part of the music with the vocalist and it's a break. There's no reason to have a break right where the song effectively begins its main part. Nobody is tired after 40 seconds either.
Dont know what to say... except that it is part of my style I guess, most of my maps have this kind of weird breaks, and I like it...

02:22:227 - Mid-stream inconsistencies with the sliders, for example, 02:22:227 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - is way different to 02:25:610 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2) - , even though they are equivalent things in the music. This makes the stream hard to read and comprehend since it changes randomly.
Hehhee it was on purpose

02:39:142 (1,2,3) - Unexpected 3/4. Very very easy to hit the 2 quickly, since it looks like it is going to be 1/2.
Me too at first, but after getting some testplays, I surprisingly saw some people do it perfectly on first try, thats why I kept it

02:47:600 (1,2,3,4) - It's even more frustrating to read when stacked.
I was hoping it would be easier to notice that its not that fast.

Slow part is good, nice 1/2 sliders for piano emphasis.
My intention!

03:41:308 (9,1,2,3) - These are really painful anti-flow jumps. This is pretty much the entire map, though. I guess it might be good jump practice for people.
Yeah...

03:45:114 (2,3,4,5,6) - These are really far away from each other, so they don't look like stream jumps.
They seemed fine on test plays..

04:03:721 (1) - Extremely unexpected that these have two repeats, as the rhythms implied by 04:02:664 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - before it suggest the last blue tick is skipped. Also the sliderstreamjumps caused by the holds are super mega painful.
Yeah, I can see that, many people got 100s because they left early. Ill consider changing this part if more people thinks so

So you only liked my slow part... /me is sad

Anyways, kudosed because of timing help.

Also... for some reason I cannot update, it gets stuck at distributing to global network...
Sieg
3,981 posts
Joined February 2012
Sieg
thanks
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Kenezz
osu! Alumni
1,136 posts
Joined September 2009
Kenezz
Holi <3

[Easy]
  1. ¿Qué te parece OD+1 para equilibrar el setup song? A pesar de ser Easy me parece demasiado poco que ahora este ajustado en 1. (Sí, lo sé, no es una gran diferencia pero la dificultad no es tan fácil como otras que siguen ritmos mucho más simples).
  2. 00:08:374 (1) - ¿Este circle no debería estar en el siguiente downbeat? La verdad es que yo consideraría más factible que lo ajustaras, igual el golpe de la pista está mas marcado en ese punto.
  3. 00:12:602 (1) - Lo mismo con este spinner, pues debería terminar 1/2 después. Como lo tienes ahora cuando llegas al final se siente como si terminara de una manera un poco abrupta, no sé tu pero yo siento que queda mejor si lo ajustas.
  4. 02:57:743 (2) - Quedaría mejor si inviertes el inicio con Ctrl+G.
  5. 03:36:649 (1) - No es un gran problema pero la diferencia de espacio entre los sliders anteriores comparado con este circle y el anterior es bastante notable. IMO Quedaría mejor si mueves el circle hacia abajo siguiendo el eje central x. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1981447
  6. El cambio en la dificultad en el kiai final con esos 1/2-1/2 no me termina de convencer pero en general me gustó mucho la diff :D
[Sieg's Normal]
  1. I realize that your diff doesn't have kiai time, are you sure with this?
  2. 00:33:959 (3) - This isn't so necessary but maybe add a nc here since the track has changed.
  3. 00:36:497 (1) - If you add with the previous point considers remove this nc and add one to 00:37:342 (7) (To avoid the long combo P:). http://puu.sh/bdp9N/14de99cc93.png
  4. 02:02:555 (2) - The repeat sounds odd because don't follow anything, if you want follow properly the voice then the repeat should on the next white tick for instance. Here I have a suggestion: Remove the repeat and lenghteen to the white tick (02:03:190), now add two stacked circles on 02:03:612 & 02:03:824, finally remove this circle 02:04:035 (3) (Don't forget the hitsounds). IMO this work better because improves the rhythm of the pattern following properly the track & voice. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1981635 Give it a try!
  5. 03:30:728 - The rhythmical break is needless since the track has already changed. Compare this with others diffs.
  6. Blankets, cute blankets everywhere <3
[Hard]
  1. 01:58:538 (8) - Acorde a tus patrones de nc debería empezar aquí y no en el siguiente circle.
  2. Lo demás me parece bien, un poco difícil con todos esos tripletes pero la verdad quedan bastante bien ;)
[Shiro's Insane]
  1. 00:06:894 (5) - The start sounds too much awkward for me because track don't point nothing, also the sound of that drum is too loud. Maybe remove all hitsounding on this.
  2. 00:37:554 - This extended break is needless.
  3. 01:03:562 (1) - This new combo is really necessary? The spacing and rhythm is same like the previous.
  4. 01:40:776 (1) - Same as before. I mean another combos with various spacements has no nc and this yes.
  5. 02:54:571 (6) - Maybe add new combo to split the current one that is a bit long.
  6. 03:02:183 (10) - And here another due the anti-jump.
  7. I'm not fan of sick jumps but well.
[Insane]
  1. 00:17:043 (3) - Creo que es más conveniente que inicies el new combo aquí y lo elimines del siguiente circle por la diferencia de tiempo de pausa y el cambio en la pista.
  2. 02:44:210 (1,2,3,4) - Solo por mencionarlo el espacio entre estos sldiers y el patrón anterior es diferente 02:37:444 (1,2,3,4), me parece que puedes modificar un poco el primero para que sea igual a este o este para que sea igual al primero ya que es prácticamente el mismo sonido en la pista y voz.
  3. 02:52:668 (4) - Acorde a los combos anteriores deberías empezar un nuevo aquí en vez de agregarlo al siguiente circle.
  4. 03:01:760 (1) - Esta parte quedaría mejor si colocas este circle debajo de 03:01:126 (1) y eliminas el new combo aquí y lo agregas en el siguiente circle. Todo esto porque en este circle todavía continua el cambio de ritmo de 3/4-3/4 que hiciste con los dos anteriores. http://puu.sh/bfCM1/a055937a2b.png
  5. 04:13:863 (3) - New combo aquí también, aquí lo hiciste y es el mismo patrón 02:48:862 (1,2,1).
Es todo supongo, espero que te sirva de ayuda.
Llámame cuando hayas aplicado los cambios.
Sieg
3,981 posts
Joined February 2012
Sieg
all applied except of ncs
thanks Kenezz <3

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Luvdic
2,113 posts
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Topic Starter
Luvdic

Kenezz wrote:

Holi <3

[Easy]
  1. ¿Qué te parece OD+1 para equilibrar el setup song? A pesar de ser Easy me parece demasiado poco que ahora este ajustado en 1. (Sí, lo sé, no es una gran diferencia pero la dificultad no es tan fácil como otras que siguen ritmos mucho más simples).
    Okay
  2. 00:08:374 (1) - ¿Este circle no debería estar en el siguiente downbeat? La verdad es que yo consideraría más factible que lo ajustaras, igual el golpe de la pista está mas marcado en ese punto.
  3. 00:12:602 (1) - Lo mismo con este spinner, pues debería terminar 1/2 después. Como lo tienes ahora cuando llegas al final se siente como si terminara de una manera un poco abrupta, no sé tu pero yo siento que queda mejor si lo ajustas.
    En mis tests, los novatos siempre pegaban antes de tiempo, probe asi, y si funciona mejor
  4. 02:57:743 (2) - Quedaría mejor si inviertes el inicio con Ctrl+G.
    Me gusta mas como esta ahora
  5. 03:36:649 (1) - No es un gran problema pero la diferencia de espacio entre los sliders anteriores comparado con este circle y el anterior es bastante notable. IMO Quedaría mejor si mueves el circle hacia abajo siguiendo el eje central x. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1981447
    Okay
  6. El cambio en la dificultad en el kiai final con esos 1/2-1/2 no me termina de convencer pero en general me gustó mucho la diff :D
    Pues, todas mis diffs son mas dificiles en el ultimo coro, asi que por consistencia, este diff deberia ser asi tambien (??

[Hard]
  1. 01:58:538 (8) - Acorde a tus patrones de nc debería empezar aquí y no en el siguiente circle.
    Okay
  2. Lo demás me parece bien, un poco difícil con todos esos tripletes pero la verdad quedan bastante bien ;)
    Elimine algunos triples ayer ;)

[Insane]
  1. 00:17:043 (3) - Creo que es más conveniente que inicies el new combo aquí y lo elimines del siguiente circle por la diferencia de tiempo de pausa y el cambio en la pista.
    Okay
  2. 02:44:210 (1,2,3,4) - Solo por mencionarlo el espacio entre estos sldiers y el patrón anterior es diferente 02:37:444 (1,2,3,4), me parece que puedes modificar un poco el primero para que sea igual a este o este para que sea igual al primero ya que es prácticamente el mismo sonido en la pista y voz.
    Si bien es la misma, queria variarlo un poco al ser la ultima
  3. 02:52:668 (4) - Acorde a los combos anteriores deberías empezar un nuevo aquí en vez de agregarlo al siguiente circle.
    Okay
  4. 03:01:760 (1) - Esta parte quedaría mejor si colocas este circle debajo de 03:01:126 (1) y eliminas el new combo aquí y lo agregas en el siguiente circle. Todo esto porque en este circle todavía continua el cambio de ritmo de 3/4-3/4 que hiciste con los dos anteriores. http://puu.sh/bfCM1/a055937a2b.png
    No todos los anteriores, queria enfocar tambien los tambores, y por eso el NC, y la forma en que se mapeo como en 02:45:902 -
  5. 04:13:863 (3) - New combo aquí también, aquí lo hiciste y es el mismo patrón 02:48:862 (1,2,1).
    Okay
Es todo supongo, espero que te sirva de ayuda.
Llámame cuando hayas aplicado los cambios.
Gracias! ;)
Shiro
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4,984 posts
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Shiro

Kenezz wrote:

[Shiro's Insane]
  1. 00:06:894 (5) - The start sounds too much awkward for me because track don't point nothing, also the sound of that drum is too loud. Maybe remove all hitsounding on this. Huh, there wasn't supposed to be any hitsound on that slider.
  2. 00:37:554 - This extended break is needless. k
  3. 01:03:562 (1) - This new combo is really necessary? The spacing and rhythm is same like the previous. removed
  4. 01:40:776 (1) - Same as before. I mean another combos with various spacements has no nc and this yes. ^
  5. 02:54:571 (6) - Maybe add new combo to split the current one that is a bit long. That wouldn't be consistent. D:
  6. 03:02:183 (10) - And here another due the anti-jump. Inconsistent as well. The anti-jumps are readable as is thanks to the massive spacing change and the fact that the 1/4 before had specific spacing which was different.
  7. I'm not fan of sick jumps but well.
Thanks for the mod.
http://puu.sh/bgoUg/11441177e8.osu
Kenezz
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Kenezz
Here we go~

Circled
woof is coming true!
qoot8123
1,500 posts
Joined March 2011
qoot8123
Hi :)

[General]
  1. Because this map doesn't have SB, so I recommend remove widescreen support
[ Muzukashii]

  1. HP 5.1 and OD 4.8 ? Is that intense? if not, please set hp and od to 5
  2. 02:39:981 (20) - move to 02:40:404 - and change to d to make a consistency with 02:35:752 (1,2,3,4) -
  3. 02:46:747 (48) - ^

[ Oni]

  1. HP 5 OD6 ?
  2. hmm.. i think change sv to 1.6 is enough for this kind of song
  3. 00:07:846 (14) - move to 00:07:951 - to make the same break with 00:06:894 (9) - and 00:06:048 (5) -
  4. 00:14:612 (38) - ^
  5. 00:50:875 (46) - remove finish ,big note on the end of stream which less than 8 long stream is not acceptable nowhttps://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3333986/
  6. 01:04:407 (104) - ^
  7. 01:41:622 (47) - ^
  8. 02:08:687 (162) - ^
  9. 03:40:032 (16) - ^
  10. 03:46:798 (49) - ^
  11. 03:50:181 (63) - ^
  12. 01:28:830 (263) - how about remove this note? not must but you can consider about this
  13. 02:07:524 (154,155) - reverse these kd, the drum sound is similar with 02:07:207 (152,153) -
  14. 02:08:159 (158,159) - ^
  15. 02:29:937 (68) - change to d this kat may kill a lot of player
pretty good taiko diffs :)
Nwolf
2,604 posts
Joined September 2012
Nwolf

qoot8123 wrote:

Hi :) hi :3

[General]
  1. Because this map doesn't have SB, so I recommend remove widescreen support done
[ Muzukashii]

  1. HP 5.1 and OD 4.8 ? Is that intense? if not, please set hp and od to 5 Yeah changed
  2. 02:39:981 (20) - move to 02:40:404 - and change to d to make a consistency with 02:35:752 (1,2,3,4) -
  3. 02:46:747 (48) - ^ changed both

[ Oni]

  1. HP 5 OD6 ? yep
  2. hmm.. i think change sv to 1.6 is enough for this kind of song due to all xxO disappearing now, changed
  3. 00:07:846 (14) - move to 00:07:951 - to make the same break with 00:06:894 (9) - and 00:06:048 (5) -
  4. 00:14:612 (38) - ^
  5. 00:50:875 (46) - remove finish ,big note on the end of stream which less than 8 long stream is not acceptable nowhttps://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3333986/
  6. 01:04:407 (104) - ^
  7. 01:41:622 (47) - ^
  8. 02:08:687 (162) - ^
  9. 03:40:032 (16) - ^
  10. 03:46:798 (49) - ^
  11. 03:50:181 (63) - ^ all gone
  12. 01:28:830 (263) - how about remove this note? not must but you can consider about this I decided to add this note because it didn't feel right to start on white tick all the time.
  13. 02:07:524 (154,155) - reverse these kd, the drum sound is similar with 02:07:207 (152,153) -
  14. 02:08:159 (158,159) - ^ changed both
  15. 02:29:937 (68) - change to d this kat may kill a lot of player changed
pretty good taiko diffs :)
thanks!

http://puu.sh/buz8a/97941af93d.osu Muzu
http://puu.sh/buz8C/cc4a73c035.osu Oni
Maruyu
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Joined July 2013
Maruyu
*Yuzu- is watching Nightwish - Dead to the World [Shiro's Insane]*

00:17:043 (1) - this needs to be made a thing out of huehuehuehue
Nwolf
2,604 posts
Joined September 2012
Nwolf
aaaaah update the taikos ;w;

http://puu.sh/bynij/87e8c81542.osu Oni update, weird SV stuff happened
Luvdic
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Joined July 2009
Topic Starter
Luvdic
Updated!
qoot8123
1,500 posts
Joined March 2011
qoot8123
the muzu is a bit hard but I think it would be fine because the oni is also a harder one

Bubbled!

: p/3349369/
Myxo
osu! Alumni
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Joined December 2012
Myxo
Going to check it in a few days if isn't already ranked then.
Pleeeeas I wanna do it
Luvdic
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Joined July 2009
Topic Starter
Luvdic

Desperate-kun wrote:

Going to check it in a few days if isn't already ranked then.
Pleeeeas I wanna do it
Okay, Ill leave it in your hand then xD

Thanks a lot!
Myxo
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3,103 posts
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Myxo
Sorry, but I have to pop your bubble for the following issues. These are must-fixes.

Easy

03:36:860 (1) - The recovery time after this spinner is too low. Referring to this general consense:

Garven wrote:

General rule of thumb: Easy - Full measure (4 beats). Each difficulty increment up, halve it. So Normal would be about 2 beats, Hard 1 beat, Insane and up whatever. Depending on BPM of course. Kind of a baseline for that is around 160 bpm. New players need A LOT of time to recover from spinners because they're going to spin wildly and lose their cursor position.
you must have around a full measure of recovery time here. It doesn't have to be exactly a full measure but 3/2 is definitely too low.
03:45:318 (1) - Same applies here.

Normal

00:47:492 (1) - Read what I wrote in the Easy. You need atleast 2 beats of recovery time after a spinner in Normal.
01:26:398 (1) - Same.
01:38:240 (1) - Same.
02:06:996 (1) - Same.
03:58:639 (1) - Same.

Here comes the rest of my recheck:


  • General
  1. Add tag: turunen, if you already include Tarja to the tags you can also add the surename.


  • Easy
  1. This Easy is really, really tough. Due to the big amount of 3/2-gaps and 1/2-stacks in the last section, a lower OD, like OD 1.5, is absolutely necessary.
  2. 00:08:374 (1) - I don't know if I already mentioned it last time, but this would sound much better as an 1/2-slider. You also use 1/2-sliders at the end so I don't see the reason why you would avoid it here.
  3. 04:13:863 (1,2) - The movement is a bit too sharp for the easiest diff. Change it like this: http://puu.sh/bBsCv/af8745890f.jpg It would be easier to understand for the newbies.


  • Sieg's Normal
  1. I get that you don't want to make your combos shorter, but then atleast turn the drain down. HP 3.5 would still be average for a Normal. Also, OD 3.5 would be nice, because you are using very many 1/2-objects and the spread would improve from this change.
  2. 00:49:183 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Anitjumps like this are not appropriate for a Normal, especially since you have been using stacked 1/2 as well. Please, change it to regular stacks.
  3. 01:07:791 (1,2) - Don't use 1/1-antijumps when you used them for 1/2 before, and even if you fixed it, this one still needs to be changed imo. It's not acceptable for a Normal difficulty. Either stack them completely, or preferably, space them out.
  4. 02:30:678 (5,6) - The overlap looks really messy and doesn't fit into a Normal difficulty. Something more simple like: http://puu.sh/bBtdO/04a014a5e0.jpg would fit much better.
  5. Overall, most aspects improved since I modded it before, but a few didn't, and I'm very serious about these this time. I consider everything I wrote as a criteria for me to rebubble this, because even though this is a harder Normal, the stacking issues as well as the overlap are not okay for me. Of course I can't force you, but I just can't reconcile this with my conscience. There are a few other overlaps in this map that bother me a bit, but they should be okay..


  • Shiro's Insane
  1. 00:32:268 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - I remember this had some fancy hitsounding when I modded it - Now it sounds very empty o.o Please, change it back.
  2. 01:52:194 (2,3,4) - The regular spacing after the jump really breaks the flow for me. It goes in the same direction as the jump, so it just feels unnatural to stop moving like this. Maybe you could change it like this: http://puu.sh/bBy7P/1ce80b96ad.jpg
  3. 01:53:040 (5,6,1) - Same. A nice solution would be to change the order of notes from the following square, so the pattern looks like this: http://puu.sh/bByb0/8ff4d3f35b.jpg
  4. 02:45:902 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Sure you don't want to make this a perfect square?

Call me back when the important issues are fixed. Please, give good reasoning for all that you deny. Thank you :)
Last edited by Myxo , edited 1 time in total.
Sieg
3,981 posts
Joined February 2012
Sieg
It's called manual stacking not antijumps, you may learn the difference from perfect stacking by testing this moment on actual play. :3

manual stack


perfect stack


other things all changed\fixed

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34,152,253863,1,12,0:0:0:0:
303,93,255132,5,8,0:0:0:0:
303,93,255343,1,12,0:0:0:0:

many thanks Desperate-kun (:
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Desperate-kun wrote:

Sorry, but I have to pop your bubble for the following issues. These are must-fixes.

Easy

03:36:860 (1) - The recovery time after this spinner is too low. Referring to this general consense:

Garven wrote:

General rule of thumb: Easy - Full measure (4 beats). Each difficulty increment up, halve it. So Normal would be about 2 beats, Hard 1 beat, Insane and up whatever. Depending on BPM of course. Kind of a baseline for that is around 160 bpm. New players need A LOT of time to recover from spinners because they're going to spin wildly and lose their cursor position.
you must have around a full measure of recovery time here. It doesn't have to be exactly a full measure but 3/2 is definitely too low.
03:45:318 (1) - Same applies here.
Since thats for a 160 BPM, for a 130 bpm it should be around 3/4, hopefully its good enough now (also it kinda screwed up the whole map's rhytm of 3/2 lol)




  • General
  1. Add tag: turunen, if you already include Tarja to the tags you can also add the surename.
    Ok


  • Easy
  1. This Easy is really, really tough. Due to the big amount of 3/2-gaps and 1/2-stacks in the last section, a lower OD, like OD 1.5, is absolutely necessary.
    Hehehe was hoping that starting the red ticks with sliders would make it ok (and apparently it is, basing on the few play tests i did) Anyways, I used to have it at 1 on your recommendation, then changed back to 2 on other modder's recommendation, and now its staying at 1.5 I guess.
  2. 00:08:374 (1) - I don't know if I already mentioned it last time, but this would sound much better as an 1/2-slider. You also use 1/2-sliders at the end so I don't see the reason why you would avoid it here.
    For reasons stated in the other mod. Also didnt do it here becauselast part was supposed to be a 'harder' part. But now changed to this way anyways, not a big deal.
  3. 04:13:863 (1,2) - The movement is a bit too sharp for the easiest diff. Change it like this: http://puu.sh/bBsCv/af8745890f.jpg It would be easier to understand for the newbies.
    Did a ctrl+g instead
Thanks! WIll update after shiro's response
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@Sieg Yeah, sorry for the bad wording. It will probably be kinda unexpected for the newbies anyways since the angle is different but since the spacing is the same as for stacks I'm fine with it now! :)
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Desperate-kun wrote:


  • Shiro's Insane
  1. 00:32:268 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - I remember this had some fancy hitsounding when I modded it - Now it sounds very empty o.o Please, change it back. I can't actually remember doing anything fancy for these o.O so I did something fancy for you :3
  2. 01:52:194 (2,3,4) - The regular spacing after the jump really breaks the flow for me. It goes in the same direction as the jump, so it just feels unnatural to stop moving like this. Maybe you could change it like this: http://puu.sh/bBy7P/1ce80b96ad.jpg didn't exactly do like the picture, but changed
  3. 01:53:040 (5,6,1) - Same. A nice solution would be to change the order of notes from the following square, so the pattern looks like this: http://puu.sh/bByb0/8ff4d3f35b.jpg applied my own fix, not quite like you did
  4. 02:45:902 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Sure you don't want to make this a perfect square? That wasn't actually meant to be a square, mostly because of the placement of other circles like 02:44:633 (3,5,6,8) - so that everything is visually consistent and looks good
Thanks for the mod !

http://puu.sh/bE7rY/eee79a8488.osu
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Updated!
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Re-Check~

[General]

You got two spaces after "turunen" in the tags of the Hard difficulty.

[Easy]

Try to reduce your NCing a bit (preferably make it consistent by placing NC every 2 measures). Variable NCing is not really recommended for Easy / Normal since it likely messes up the HP-drain. In sections like 03:53:564 it's okay because it helps understanding the rhythm, but even there for example 03:51:873 (1) this NC is not needed.
00:39:245 (1) - I just realised this spinner might be a bit too short for a Normal. Consider to extend it until 00:40:725 ? Because the sound you are following fades out completely at this point.

[Hard]

00:12:603 (1) - Sorry that I forgot to tell it last time, but in the rule about recovery time was also included that it should be 1/1 after a spinner in Hard...
03:36:755 (1) - Sigh
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Desperate-kun wrote:

Re-Check~

[General]

You got two spaces after "turunen" in the tags of the Hard difficulty. OOps ! ;)!

[Easy]

Try to reduce your NCing a bit (preferably make it consistent by placing NC every 2 measures). Variable NCing is not really recommended for Easy / Normal since it likely messes up the HP-drain. In sections like 03:53:564 it's okay because it helps understanding the rhythm, but even there for example 03:51:873 (1) this NC is not needed.
NCs reduced

00:39:245 (1) - I just realised this spinner might be a bit too short for a Normal. Consider to extend it until 00:40:725 ? Because the sound you are following fades out completely at this point.
Actually, it finishes right here, but okay, extended anyways.

[Hard]

00:12:603 (1) - Sorry that I forgot to tell it last time, but in the rule about recovery time was also included that it should be 1/1 after a spinner in Hard...
Deleted the notes after the spinner to keep consistency with easy
03:36:755 (1) - Sigh
Deleted note at 03:38:129 -

Since when these became a rule? Anyways, it seemed fine for me, and everyone else that modded this, I mean, I agree with the ones in easy diff, but the hard diff I think it was okay since I purposely gave an easy pattern after the spinners (stack) and only if I use a relatively long spinner, makes me feel like all these criteria I used to map these parts go to waste.
Hopefully everything should be in order now!
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Xanandra wrote:

Since when these became a rule? Anyways, it seemed fine for me, and everyone else that modded this, I mean, I agree with the ones in easy diff, but the hard diff I think it was okay since I purposely gave an easy pattern after the spinners (stack) and only if I use a relatively long spinner, makes me feel like all these criteria I used to map these parts go to waste.
It's only a guideline, not a rule. It can be broken when there is really no other possibility, but here it could be fixed.
The main reason for the guideline is that it can be confusing when too many objects appear on the screen while you are spinning, even for Hard players.
I also somewhat disagree with aspects of that rule, but there have been several unqualifies stating it as a reason, so I obviously don't want this to happen here.

I'll re-re-check the mapset later this day!

EDIT: Rebubbled (ﾉ 'ω')ﾉ
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Gooo ;www;
Nwolf
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obv solution


get Mao
Sieg
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Sieg

Kenezz wrote:

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CSLM
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gogogogogogogogo!
Luvdic
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Luvdic
Ermm... Sorry, been busy these days (since like 1 month and half since I started tyo work)

I already asked several BATs but all of their repl;ies have been something along the lines of: Ill try! or No! But Ill still keep trying whenever I have time!
DakeDekaane
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Looking at this one soon.

Stay tuned :)
Tari
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aaaah

seems Dake will look at this one,

Good luck man!
DakeDekaane
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That doesn't stop Tari to look at this =w= *hides*

I'd want to check the Taikos with some more detail, standard difficulties looks fine (at first glance).
Tari
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Just a reminder that I think the first combo color should be changed. I see it as a pure white combo color. (correct me if I'm wrong) . they mess up with certain skins.
DakeDekaane
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Finally here.

[General]
The light gray combo color should be changed as in kiai it blends a bit with circle numbers and it also strobes and may hurt some people.
03:33:266 - 03:36:649 -You should increase the volume here at least by 10%, the soft hits are really hard to be heard there.

[ Easy]
00:50:452 (1) - It'd be better to remove this note so the player begins to play in a stronger beat, which is more natural imo.
The rest is
00:50:452 (1) - NC
01:03:985 (1,2) - NC should be on (2)
01:41:199 (1,2) - ^
03:36:860 (1) - The spinner ending in the downbeat for the kiai feels just weird to play and kills the emphasis this beat should have. Make it end in 03:38:340 - and put objects since 03:40:032, this way player will click here, which makes more than finish a spinner there and leaving 4 beats in the climax of the song.
03:45:318 (1) - Something similar here.

[ Sieg's Normal]
03:36:755 - If you could increase the volume here it'd be nice, as it's barely hearable ;w;
03:38:340 (3,4) - These can be heard, but I think they deserve a little higher volume.

[ Hard]
04:05:617 (1,2,3) - This triple touches the HP bar, move these notes a bit down.

[ Insane]
03:38:340 (2) - I still think the circle pattern here should begin here :<

[ Shiro's Insane]
01:14:557 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - You don't know how much I loved this.
03:45:318 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - These overlaps are just ugly considering the tidiness in the map, also idk if you were aiming for slightly tilted sliders instead of totally vertical ones.

I'll edit later (some hours, not days) for the Taiko =w=
Done!

[ Muzukashii]
I find the beginning a bit weird due the mixing in the percusions and the other instrument like in 00:15:141 (30,31,32,33). But can't suggest nothing here without changing drastically the map, so I'll just let you know this.
00:33:113 - This beat really needs a note. I suggest to make this whole pattern a k k d d k d k k d, or something easier, with no 1/4 notes, it would fit nicely with the guitar there.
00:40:726 (1) - I find the big note a bit loud for this beat.
00:50:664 (38) - Move this to 00:50:241 - and make it a don, it will be consistent with previous pattern and will let the next pattern begin on a strong beat, which will emphasize it better.
00:52:356 (44) - Probably remove this note for a similar reason.
00:56:162 (58) - Remove this note, so you keep short 1/2 patterns in this part.
01:04:197 (88) - Same as in previous part.
01:05:888 (94) - Same.
01:07:368 (100) - I'd suggest to make it a don, so the ddk triples are more unique to the final part.
01:12:231 (121,122,123,124) - d kkk -> ddd k ?
01:17:306 (141,142,143,144) - ^
01:41:411 (38) - ^Same as in other parts.
01:43:103 (44) - ^
01:46:909 (58) - Remove this one, as in 00:56:162 (58).
01:54:944 (88) - Here just move it to 01:54:520.
02:10:168 (146) - Remove?
02:50:659 (61) - This note could fit better in 02:50:871.
02:52:879 (71) - Remove it to have consistency with previous pattern?
02:57:637 (93) - Move it to 02:57:426 for the same reason as above?
:!: 03:02:817 - I'd suggest to make this easier, the Oni is nearly the same except for some colours changing maybe.

[ Oni]
1.60 is unneeded difficulty imo, though the last speed up really fits there, so just adjust it to be the same but with 1.40SV =w=
:!: 02:22:220 - So we go from somehow hardish o o o ooo o o patterns in Muzukashii to deathstreams in Oni. I'll recomend to delete some notes that could make the spread better without changing anything here, besides the deathstream not being a deathstream anymore and fitting better the song because it'll follow the lead guitar there.
02:22:749 (6) -
02:24:441 (21) -
02:24:969 (26) - If you delete this, maybe make 02:25:181 (27) - a kat, would compliment nicely.
02:26:132 (36) -
02:27:824 (51) -
02:29:516 (64) -
02:30:361 (72) -
02:31:207 (80) -
02:31:736 (85) -
02:32:053 (88) -
02:32:899 (96) -
02:33:745 (104) -
02:34:590 (112) -

00:07:952 (14,15) - It'd be nicer if you have some consistency in the use of doubles like this.
00:40:726 (1) - As in Muzukashii
00:50:242 (42) - This could fit better as a kat.
01:03:773 (99) - ^
01:09:589 (129) - imo, moving this to 01:09:376 would fit better the song with the resulting triples.
01:12:972 (155) - Something similar
01:40:989 (43) - This could fit better as a kat.
02:36:598 - This beat definitely needs a note.
02:41:991 (40,42) - How about removing these notes and make 02:42:097 (41,44) - big notes, this could fit complement nicely the big note in 02:40:828 (32).
02:43:364 - This beat definitely needs a note.
02:55:945 - Add a note here and remove the finish in the next note? it's really inconsistent with the next patterns, where the music is very similar.
03:04:510 (6) - Remove this note? I don't find it really fitting there.
03:07:893 (17) - ^
03:08:527 (19) - Make it a don so the next kat feels more unique and make the pattern fit better the drums?
03:21:426 (58) - Remove this note? I don't find it really fitting there.
03:46:375 - This beat definitely needs a note.
03:59:380 (99) - Removing this note and making 03:59:275 (98) a kat would play better imo.
04:09:634 (168) - Remove note for consistency?
04:15:133 (198,199) - Both notes could go faster, gradual increase doesn't work nicely here as the intensity goes up suddenly, so the speed up should come suddenly, it may sound crazy, but 2x fits nicely here?

I think I extended a bit here, but map lacked a bit of consistency and has some rhythm that could be improved. Adding the spread issues. Poke me back when done.
Nwolf
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Nwolf

DakeDekaane wrote:

[ Muzukashii]
I find the beginning a bit weird due the mixing in the percusions and the other instrument like in 00:15:141 (30,31,32,33). But can't suggest nothing here without changing drastically the map, so I'll just let you know this. huh it also follows the... other instrument since it goes with 3/4 rhythm there, which is still present.
00:33:113 - This beat really needs a note. I suggest to make this whole pattern a k k d d k d k k d, or something easier, with no 1/4 notes, it would fit nicely with the guitar there. changed to kkdkkdkdk
00:40:726 (1) - I find the big note a bit loud for this beat. no
00:50:664 (38) - Move this to 00:50:241 - and make it a don, it will be consistent with previous pattern and will let the next pattern begin on a strong beat, which will emphasize it better. changed
00:52:356 (44) - Probably remove this note for a similar reason. yep
00:56:162 (58) - Remove this note, so you keep short 1/2 patterns in this part. why was the note even here
01:07:368 (100) - I'd suggest to make it a don, so the ddk triples are more unique to the final part. changed to kat triplet instead
01:12:231 (121,122,123,124) - d kkk -> ddd k ? ew no, 2/4 kat emphasis! Removed the triplet Added a triplet 01:13:500 (123,124,125) - here to avoid having too few compared to Oni
01:17:306 (141,142,143,144) - ^ ends with kat on 4
02:10:168 (146) - Remove? Since the song is more intense now, I'll keep this note.
02:50:659 (61) - This note could fit better in 02:50:871. yup
02:52:879 (71) - Remove it to have consistency with previous pattern? yup
02:57:637 (93) - Move it to 02:57:426 for the same reason as above? Triplet is in a different spot since the guitar is a bit different and there is no finisher in the way - 02:59:011 (98,99,100,101) - Added a triplet here for consistency
:!: 03:02:817 - I'd suggest to make this easier, the Oni is nearly the same except for some colours changing maybe. removed a single note (03:02:183 - )

[ Oni]
1.60 is unneeded difficulty imo, though the last speed up really fits there, so just adjust it to be the same but with 1.40SV =w= It was 1.8 before, with following reasoning: This song feels more fast-paced and intense than other 142 BPM songs and I adapt SV to that (see the amount of SV changes throughout the map). Really don't want to change that.
:!: 02:22:220 - So we go from somehow hardish o o o ooo o o patterns in Muzukashii to deathstreams in Oni. I'll recomend to delete some notes that could make the spread better without changing anything here, besides the deathstream not being a deathstream anymore and fitting better the song because it'll follow the lead guitar there. Changed on my own, resulting in doing some changes similar to how you suggested. The first half is now seperated in 7-plets, the 2nd half got seperated into two streams since it doesn't feel right to me to reduce the amount of notes by such a large amount. The first half kinda prepares for the 2nd half anyway
02:22:749 (6) -
02:24:441 (21) -
02:24:969 (26) - If you delete this, maybe make 02:25:181 (27) - a kat, would compliment nicely.
02:26:132 (36) -
02:27:824 (51) -
02:29:516 (64) -
02:30:361 (72) -
02:31:207 (80) -
02:31:736 (85) -
02:32:053 (88) -
02:32:899 (96) -
02:33:745 (104) -
02:34:590 (112) -

00:07:952 (14,15) - It'd be nicer if you have some consistency in the use of doubles like this. removed doublet
00:40:726 (1) - As in Muzukashii still no c:
00:50:242 (42) - This could fit better as a kat. Can't really see why...
01:03:773 (99) - ^ ^
01:09:589 (129) - imo, moving this to 01:09:376 would fit better the song with the resulting triples. oooooh yes
01:12:972 (155) - Something similar yep
02:36:598 - This beat definitely needs a note. While I agree, I kept this beat unmapped to have a small break after the kiai (since it's still hard).
02:41:991 (40,42) - How about removing these notes and make 02:42:097 (41,44) - big notes, this could fit complement nicely the big note in 02:40:828 (32). omg I didn't even here those (changed)
02:43:364 - This beat definitely needs a note. same as the other one
02:55:945 - Add a note here and remove the finish in the next note? it's really inconsistent with the next patterns, where the music is very similar. done
03:04:510 (6) - Remove this note? I don't find it really fitting there. yup
03:07:893 (17) - ^ ^
03:08:527 (19) - Make it a don so the next kat feels more unique and make the pattern fit better the drums? removed instead
03:21:426 (58) - Remove this note? I don't find it really fitting there. idk... doesn't sound right, even though it should
03:46:375 - This beat definitely needs a note. added
03:59:380 (99) - Removing this note and making 03:59:275 (98) a kat would play better imo. removed 03:59:168 - instead and chnaged 03:59:379 (99) - to kat
04:09:634 (168) - Remove note for consistency? changed the other pattern instead (both are dkddk now)
04:15:133 (198,199) - Both notes could go faster, gradual increase doesn't work nicely here as the intensity goes up suddenly, so the speed up should come suddenly, it may sound crazy, but 2x fits nicely here? not a fan of that kind of ninja notes... small kat keeps 1.1, the big notes are 1.4 and 1.5 now (feel that it looks nicer than a single SV for both)

I think I extended a bit here, but map lacked a bit of consistency and has some rhythm that could be improved. Adding the spread issues. Poke me back when done.
thanks! (hope the way the stream part is changed is okay)

http://puu.sh/cjgOv/92d4009820.osu muzu
http://puu.sh/cjgOn/21c84c85c4.osu oni
Luvdic
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Topic Starter
Luvdic

DakeDekaane wrote:

Finally here.

[General]
The light gray combo color should be changed as in kiai it blends a bit with circle numbers and it also strobes and may hurt some people.
Darkened a bit

03:33:266 - 03:36:649 -You should increase the volume here at least by 10%, the soft hits are really hard to be heard there.
Im pretty confident about my volume here, and that is by having Music and Effects volume at same level

[ Easy]
00:50:452 (1) - It'd be better to remove this note so the player begins to play in a stronger beat, which is more natural imo.
The rest is
00:50:452 (1) - NC
01:03:985 (1,2) - NC should be on (2)
01:41:199 (1,2) - ^
03:36:860 (1) - The spinner ending in the downbeat for the kiai feels just weird to play and kills the emphasis this beat should have. Make it end in 03:38:340 - and put objects since 03:40:032, this way player will click here, which makes more than finish a spinner there and leaving 4 beats in the climax of the song.
03:45:318 (1) - Something similar here.

All done


[ Hard]
04:05:617 (1,2,3) - This triple touches the HP bar, move these notes a bit down.
Done

[ Insane]
03:38:340 (2) - I still think the circle pattern here should begin here :<
Actually, circle pattern should start at 03:37:917 - imo, but since I didnt wanted to complicate things by doing stuff such as ending spinner 1/4 earlier or something of the sort, this was good enough for me ;)
Thanks for mod!
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