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Why are there so few ranked ar10 ?

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B1rd

Rewben2 wrote:

thedamntrain wrote:

I lose 1 IQ every time I read something this guy posts.
Didn't know IQ went into the negatives
rekt.
Vuelo Eluko

Rewben2 wrote:

thedamntrain wrote:

I lose 1 IQ every time I read something this guy posts.
Didn't know IQ went into the negatives
buny

CDFA wrote:

Maybe if people didn't map ar10 so shitty we'd have more ranked ar10 maps.
Are they shitty in general, or are they shitty because they are ar10?
guro
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buny

[Air Man] wrote:

Probably not me, heh.
Anyways, "Can't Defeat Airman" is not insanely hard, if you are decent at the jump patterns. IMO, the AR 10 is not much of a problem there, just another matter of practice. I passed it myself, but my accuracy is awful, because I simply suck at those polygon circles, so yeah.. not very hard to pass.
It is HARD
The only reason why you are passing is the insanely forgiving HP drain, which literally allows you to miss over half the jumps in the map.
FlyingKebab
Airman and maps like it are more of a psychological thing to overcome certain patterns and how you follow them. But the people who overcome these barriers have a lot less problems in completing those maps well.
nooblet

FlyingKebab wrote:

Airman and maps like it are more of a psychological thing to overcome certain patterns and how you follow them. But the people who overcome these barriers have a lot less problems in completing those maps well.
It's not a psychological thing, it's fullscreen jump spam and annoying patterns at 200 bpm.
x_Co0ki420ezi_x

Rewben2 wrote:

thedamntrain wrote:

I lose 1 IQ every time I read something this guy posts.
Didn't know IQ went into the negatives
XD
Maxis
I feel there should be a new rule saying that you can't call a map easy if you can't pass it satisfactorily--as in, achieve a score the community would agree to be "good" (to compensate for issues like Airman's HP3).
GoldenWolf

Maxis wrote:

I feel there should be a new rule saying that you can't call a map easy if you can't pass it satisfactorily--as in, achieve a score the community would agree to be "good" (to compensate for issues like Airman's HP3).
Now see the whole forum arguing for 6942 years to define what can be considered "good".
FlyingKebab
I would reckon that a pass with less than 10 misses and at least 90% acc so technically a strong B would be considered enough to argue about something? Getting only like 10 misses on Airman would be really good actually.
GoldenWolf
90% acc is terribad though, if you can get below 10 misses on this map I'd expect you to be at least decent overall and get 98%
Amianki
If you're getting a B, you're bad at the map. I don't really see how this can be argued outside of fringe cases on maps with like 10 objects.

Basically, if you're getting enough 100s or 50s that you're not getting at least an A, you don't have the rhythm down. If you're getting a ton of misses, you're not good enough to hit the notes.
Mismagius
I'm a shit acc player but that doesnt mean i'm not good at the game :(
x_Co0ki420ezi_x

CalignoBot wrote:

If you're getting a B, you're bad at the map. I don't really see how this can be argued outside of fringe cases on maps with like 10 objects.

Basically, if you're getting enough 100s or 50s that you're not getting at least an A, you don't have the rhythm down. If you're getting a ton of misses, you're not good enough to hit the notes.
Getting note locked on a full stream and getting x15 50s in 2 sec and ending up with 93% B on https://osu.ppy.sh/b/91037 is probably what I'd consider my argument.
FlyingKebab
Cookiezi once got a line of 30 or more 50's on a stream and sub 95% acc, True story. So he technically couldn't play the map right? JK.

Gotta stop derailing threads ****....
cheezstik

FlyingKebab wrote:

I would reckon that a pass with less than 10 misses and at least 90% acc so technically a strong B would be considered enough to argue about something? Getting only like 10 misses on Airman would be really good actually.
Sorry to continue the off-topic / derail here but I think a lot of people would agree with me when I say that <95% accuracy shouldn't be considered good on a map :P. 10 misses also seems like a lot. Being able to get a B or less than 10 misses or just to be able to pass airman at all might make you a decent / good player overall, but it doesn't mean you can play airman at a "really good" level.
guro
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GoldenWolf
Not hard to pass, but still hard to fc*
nrl

thedamntrain wrote:

Getting note locked on a full stream and getting x15 50s in 2 sec and ending up with 93% B on https://osu.ppy.sh/b/91037 is probably what I'd consider my argument.
Just fix the note lock.
Ichi

FlyingKebab wrote:

Airman and maps like it are more of a psychological thing to overcome certain patterns and how you follow them. But the people who overcome these barriers have a lot less problems in completing those maps well.

Like how in the hell are you able to make such deductions about this game, are you trying to reassure yourself? are you multiacc?
2 months into joining the game and you are already making psycological assumptions and talking about the hardest maps like if you´ve been playing those for a long time... not trying to offend you here im just surprised you do because i didn´t even know what Ar meant 2 months after joining in, i was busy trying to learn the game.
nrl
He's just bullshitting, obviously all reading is psychological in nature.
FlyingKebab

Ichi wrote:

Like how in the hell are you able to make such deductions about this game, are you trying to reassure yourself? are you multiacc?
2 months into joining the game and you are already making psycological assumptions and talking about the hardest maps like if you´ve been playing those for a long time... not trying to offend you here im just surprised you do because i didn´t even know what Ar meant 2 months after joining in, i was busy trying to learn the game.
So I could have the joy of searching for my replies in 1 year an see how right/wrong I was at the time. It's gonna be a blast reading then.
GoldenWolf
You could also note these things on notepad instead of trying to theorycraft on something you know little about on a forum

Unless you like people lecturing you?
Maxis
And not to mention, you're going to be at the skill level to satisfactorily pass Airman in 1 year to be able to then deem if you were right or not? lol

I mean, I guess 1 year is theoretically possible if you've got over 10k plays a month or you gain skill wicked fast, but both scenarios are pretty unlikely.
nrl
Airman isn't that hard...
FlyingKebab

GoldenWolf wrote:

You could also note these things on notepad instead of trying to theorycraft on something you know little about on a forum

Unless you like people lecturing you?
It's fun to theorycraft and even more fun to see other people react to that. I do gain knowledge by posting my opinion and then seeing counterarguments and other opinions/criticism.
FlyingKebab

Maxis wrote:

And not to mention, you're going to be at the skill level to satisfactorily pass Airman in 1 year to be able to then deem if you were right or not? lol

I mean, I guess 1 year is theoretically possible if you've got over 10k plays a month or you gain skill wicked fast, but both scenarios are pretty unlikely.
One year is plenty enough to pass something that isn't limited by ones physical limits like stream speed or tapping speed. Getting better aim or accuracy is easier than getting better physically or at least that's how it is for me.
GoldenWolf
I guess, even though knowledge is almost useless in osu!
nrl
Knowledge is pretty relevant to practice habits and mapping.
FlyingKebab

GoldenWolf wrote:

I guess, even though knowledge is almost useless in osu!
Even so it's fun reading forums anyways. And comical when someone takes a reply too seriously and starts bashing you all over the place.
GoldenWolf

FlyingKebab wrote:

And comical when someone takes a reply too seriously and starts bashing you all over the place.
I absolutely don't feel targeted there
nrl
LOL WHAT A NEET
FlyingKebab

Narrill wrote:

LOL WHAT A NEET
lol'd









Why are you even reading this?
Vuelo Eluko
Aside from the fact that maps like airman and freedom dive are legitimately very difficult when it comes to FCing, there is indeed a big psychological aspect to it, not even in terms of patterns or whatever but just because the maps are so iconic and the number of people who have FCs on them is almost zero.

i.e When Cptnxn set his freedom dive FC, he paused on the last break to read the chat and said something along the lines of "I mean, it's Freedom Dive, I'm just getting nervous as fuck."

He could probably make a custom diff with the spaced streams at the end and ace them repeatedly, it was clearly within his ability to do so, but with the potential to make osu HISTORY, to set a score that perhaps no one will ever beat, that everyone will care about and know and herald you for, the stress is so much higher than a normal FC, or even a normal rank 1 on a typical map.

It's becoming less relevant with airman though i predict at least 2-3 more FC's before the years end, but big black is another good example of a map with huge psychological impact, there would probably be 10+ FCs by now if it didn't have such a powerful stigma.

Then again, I also think that playing a map THOUSANDS of times affords no advantages whatsoever when it comes to FCing it or not.
in fact, it probably just makes the stress of FCing it higher [omg after 3482 tries im gonna do it!] and possibly cements any sort of bad muscle memory however slight and hard to detect and fix it might be.
tfg50

FlyingKebab wrote:

One year is plenty enough to pass something that isn't limited by ones physical limits like stream speed or tapping speed. Getting better aim or accuracy is easier than getting better physically or at least that's how it is for me.
You say that even though your acc isn't that good and the maps you play are easy as fuck (I can play while mashing and still get close to SS on easy maps+od7). I mean, I'm sure I could get better acc than you if someone made me 2 pedals (like drum pedals) and I used that to play instead of a keyboard.

What I mean by that is that you shouldn't talk about stuff that you don't have a clue. Pass airman changing the map to at least hp7-8 and you MIGHT be able to tell me if it is difficult or not. Even so, difficulty is usually in terms of fcing, not passing.

OT: The majority of the ar10 unranked maps are REALLY badly mapped when you compare the circles to the song aka overmapped. Also, AR10 doesn't fit in any song like people that just play ar10 think.
FlyingKebab

tfg50 wrote:

You say that even though your acc isn't that good and the maps you play are easy as fuck (I can play while mashing and still get close to SS on easy maps+od7). I mean, I'm sure I could get better acc than you if someone made me 2 pedals (like drum pedals) and I used that to play instead of a keyboard.

What I mean by that is that you shouldn't talk about stuff that you don't have a clue. Pass airman changing the map to at least hp7-8 and you MIGHT be able to tell me if it is difficult or not. Even so, difficulty is usually in terms of fcing, not passing.

FlyingKebab wrote:

And comical when someone takes a reply too seriously and starts bashing you all over the place.
See what I mean.
GoldenWolf
Man, if that is taking it too seriously and bashing you......
Vuelo Eluko
its because people are cringing at your claims, because of how far you are ability wise to back them up. It's the same sort of reaction Woobowiz got when he first made his thread. People were annoyed with his idea that he could reach cookiezi's level before even comprehending what it takes to get there "ill do it in a year!" and talking way bigger than he was.

I think everyone expected him to realize how absurd his goals were, or perhaps just lose interest in osu/be ashamed of his posts or something and the thread would die within a week of being made, but he's really proven himself serious about his goal so far which was really surprising and he has started to amass a following of sorts because of it.

Hell, I can't even claim 5 star maps are easy without idiots people calling me out, you calling maps like airman easy prompts an even greater reaction.
FlyingKebab
Alright, I promise I will never mention a map I can't pass decently ever, deal.
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