2014-07-09 01:47 Gunsillie: Okay, so first thing, what do you have special in your custom hitsounds ?
2014-07-09 01:47 Yauxo:
http://puu.sh/a2SqZ/8e4c1f6ab8.png2014-07-09 01:48 Gunsillie: Do you use the normal hitsounds in the other diffs ?
2014-07-09 01:49 Yauxo: nope, all custom
2014-07-09 01:49 Gunsillie: I mean the custom "Normal" hitsounds
2014-07-09 01:49 Yauxo: ah, no i think theyre samah only
2014-07-09 01:50 Yauxo: actually
2014-07-09 01:51 Yauxo: looks like he doesnt use them anymore
2014-07-09 01:51 Yauxo: so i guess they can be deleted
2014-07-09 01:52 Gunsillie: okay, so about timing sections on insane
2014-07-09 01:52 Gunsillie: Why do they always begin 1/8 before the note ?
2014-07-09 01:52 Gunsillie: 1/16*
2014-07-09 01:53 Yauxo: not exactly sure why i did this, but its not like its a big thing
2014-07-09 01:53 Gunsillie: Actually, some are strangely placed
2014-07-09 01:54 Gunsillie: Because for instance at 0:17:208
2014-07-09 01:54 Yauxo: hitsound volume
2014-07-09 01:55 Gunsillie: A same slider will have two different volumes and hitsounds for Sliderslide
2014-07-09 01:55 Yauxo: most of the timing points are for volume purpose
2014-07-09 01:55 Yauxo: thats intentional as the music also features 2 different pitches/volumes
2014-07-09 01:55 Gunsillie: Yes, but I am talking about the SliderSlide
2014-07-09 01:56 Yauxo: well, its not like someone would notice a 1/16 sliderslide change, but i guess i can move them
2014-07-09 01:56 Gunsillie: Sorry for being nazi, let's continue^^
2014-07-09 01:57 Gunsillie: Talking about volumes, at 00:07:848 (3)
2014-07-09 01:58 Gunsillie: You have a high volume for 3,4,5 and 6 but only 3 is played forte by the piano
2014-07-09 01:58 Yauxo: will adjust that
2014-07-09 01:59 Gunsillie: 00:10:464 (3) - Here, 3 and 4 are loud in the map but not in the music
2014-07-09 01:59 Gunsillie: woops, 4 is actually
2014-07-09 02:00 Yauxo: yup
2014-07-09 02:00 Yauxo: 4 is supported with a whistle which appears to be louder anyways
2014-07-09 02:00 Yauxo: while 3 isnt
2014-07-09 02:01 Gunsillie: So move the timing section from 10:769 to 00:10:639 I guess ?
2014-07-09 02:02 Yauxo: naw. 4 is loud, following circles are more quiet
2014-07-09 02:02 Yauxo: iam adjusting most of the volume atm anyways
2014-07-09 02:03 Gunsillie: So do you want me to skip the volumes then ?
2014-07-09 02:04 Yauxo: you can point out stuff that really catches your eye, but skipping most of it would be good i think
2014-07-09 02:07 Gunsillie: So you place the whistle for the piano notes, is that it ?
2014-07-09 02:08 Yauxo: pretty much whereever it fits, high pitched voice, piano, high violin
2014-07-09 02:08 Gunsillie: So here, you want to follow the violin with the whistles, right ? 00:14:127
2014-07-09 02:09 Yauxo: true, ill add some there
2014-07-09 02:10 Gunsillie: what I wanted to get at is : remove whistle on 00:14:476 (2) - Add on 00:14:127 (1)
2014-07-09 02:10 Yauxo: ill lower their volume
2014-07-09 02:11 Yauxo: i think whistles on these heads are fine as well
2014-07-09 02:11 Gunsillie: Because It would be the logic you followed from 00:12:557 to 00:13:953
2014-07-09 02:11 Yauxo: yea
2014-07-09 02:12 Gunsillie: Because the places you put the whistles don't follow the marcatos of the violins
2014-07-09 02:12 Gunsillie: Maybe it's fine as is, I don't know
2014-07-09 02:13 Yauxo: i see your point in it and i assume volume does the job there
2014-07-09 02:13 Gunsillie: 00:18:139 (4) - I am trying to understand this slider
2014-07-09 02:14 Yauxo: vocal
2014-07-09 02:15 Yauxo: hum
2014-07-09 02:15 Yauxo: kinda similar to these 00:30:871 (1) - 00:34:883 (1) -
2014-07-09 02:15 Yauxo: 00:36:453 (1) -
2014-07-09 02:15 Gunsillie: But here it's different
2014-07-09 02:16 Yauxo: imo the ne vocal is pretty strong here
2014-07-09 02:16 Yauxo: which is why i mapped it
2014-07-09 02:17 Gunsillie: The combo follows the vocal but the piano domines clearly starting at 00:17:964 imo
2014-07-09 02:17 Gunsillie: 00:17:964 - imo
2014-07-09 02:18 Yauxo: let me see if i can map a different, piano orientated combo there
2014-07-09 02:20 Yauxo: works just fine
2014-07-09 02:20 Yauxo: changed
2014-07-09 02:21 Gunsillie: 00:21:278 (5) - I suggest whistle on head
2014-07-09 02:21 Yauxo:
http://puu.sh/a2UYn/efbf9e54a5.jpg2014-07-09 02:21 Yauxo: a very silent one it is
2014-07-09 02:22 Yauxo: added
2014-07-09 02:23 Gunsillie: So here : 00:22:848
2014-07-09 02:24 Yauxo: added
2014-07-09 02:24 Gunsillie: That is not what I meant ><
2014-07-09 02:24 Gunsillie: But still,why not ?^^
2014-07-09 02:24 Yauxo: oh
2014-07-09 02:24 Yauxo:
2014-07-09 02:25 Yauxo: yea, ill add one anways
2014-07-09 02:25 Gunsillie: What I wanted to say was :
2014-07-09 02:25 Gunsillie: 1,2,5&6 map the piano, but 3&4 are additions
2014-07-09 02:25 Gunsillie: That's fine, but you could add W on 5&6 so we will feel they are the piano
2014-07-09 02:26 Gunsillie: And then remove W on the Head of 1 ? Let me see
2014-07-09 02:26 Yauxo: i dont really hear one one 6 though
2014-07-09 02:27 Yauxo: added 5
2014-07-09 02:27 Yauxo: and i think 1 is fine as it has a loud/high pitched whateveritis ._.
2014-07-09 02:28 Gunsillie: But to me it just sounds better with no W on head :/
2014-07-09 02:28 Gunsillie: And the tail is more emphasized than the head
2014-07-09 02:28 Yauxo: naw, i think its just fine
2014-07-09 02:29 Gunsillie: You break my heart, but it's your map after all^^
2014-07-09 02:29 Yauxo:
2014-07-09 02:30 Gunsillie: 00:24:767 (4) - Because it is a decrescendo, are you sure about the W ?
2014-07-09 02:31 Yauxo: yup. high sound should be W'd
2014-07-09 02:31 Yauxo: idk if i did this just now, but i also modified the slider a bit after that
2014-07-09 02:31 Yauxo: so that it fits to the decreasing volume
2014-07-09 02:33 Gunsillie: 00:26:685 (1) - It sounds cool with no W imo
2014-07-09 02:33 Gunsillie: Because there is no piano there
2014-07-09 02:33 Gunsillie: And there is kind of a silence
2014-07-09 02:34 Yauxo: true
2014-07-09 02:34 Gunsillie: But don't you think we should add a W on a previous note then ?
2014-07-09 02:35 Gunsillie: Like the Head of 4 because the piano plays forte, alhough it is a very low note
2014-07-09 02:36 Yauxo: i dont actually think so
2014-07-09 02:37 Gunsillie: Can you explain why ?
2014-07-09 02:38 Yauxo: iam trying to whislte the sounds that are obviously louder/higherpitched than others, so that it supports the song for the player
2014-07-09 02:39 Gunsillie: But 4 is really loud even if it is low
2014-07-09 02:39 Yauxo: i dont have any real insight when it comes to piano stuff, may it be a high sound or not, just very quiet, but i dont think that these are necessary there
2014-07-09 02:39 Gunsillie: Ok fine
2014-07-09 02:39 Yauxo: its not really audibe for a normal player like me though
2014-07-09 02:39 Yauxo: it sounds like a normal beat to me
2014-07-09 02:41 Gunsillie: 00:28:429 (2,3) - Remove W on 2 or on both ?
2014-07-09 02:42 Gunsillie: Because you follow the vocal now, so we can forget our pattern for W
2014-07-09 02:43 Yauxo: there is a pattern and I dont know how its called, but i hear a loud sound there, similar to 00:32:615 (2,3) - 00:34:011 (2,3) -
2014-07-09 02:43 Yauxo: which is what iam supporting
2014-07-09 02:43 Yauxo: i mean, the whisltes are there so that they support the higher pitches, not only for the piano parts
2014-07-09 02:43 Yauxo: so I dont intend any change on these
2014-07-09 02:45 Gunsillie: okay, I understand your pattern now
2014-07-09 02:46 Yauxo: that got me kinda curious though, you do something with the piano in your freetime, dont you?
2014-07-09 02:46 Gunsillie: Yes I do^^
2014-07-09 02:47 Gunsillie: Not that it really makes me more relevant for modding piano parts
2014-07-09 02:48 Yauxo:
2014-07-09 02:48 Yauxo: it sure comes in handy though
2014-07-09 02:48 Gunsillie: 00:32:964 (4,5) - Because of the "Aaah", why not try a curve with 2 points ?
2014-07-09 02:49 Gunsillie: I guess I pay more attention to the piano when I hear one ~~
2014-07-09 02:49 Yauxo: i guess thats just a stylething
2014-07-09 02:50 Gunsillie: That was random because I thought it was fun^^
2014-07-09 02:51 Gunsillie: Anyway, because of the "Aaaah", no W on 4 ? Not sure
2014-07-09 02:52 Yauxo: id prefer it being there
2014-07-09 02:54 Gunsillie: But again, with no W on 4 and 5 (and there was already none on 00:33:662 (1) ), it renders the piano silence better
2014-07-09 02:55 Gunsillie: Because else, you also have 4 W almost in a row, you lose a bit of impact
2014-07-09 02:56 Yauxo: it might support the piano silence, but iam not only supporting the piano here >< the aah is compared to other vocals high pitched
2014-07-09 02:56 Yauxo: which is why i w'd it
2014-07-09 02:57 Gunsillie: But the "aaah" are the support, we don't want to support the support !
2014-07-09 02:57 Yauxo:
2014-07-09 02:57 Gunsillie: But if you are sure
2014-07-09 02:57 Yauxo: my mapping section in my brain tells me that it should be supported
2014-07-09 02:58 Yauxo: without it feels rather werid imo
2014-07-09 02:58 Gunsillie: It's because you know your own map by heart !
2014-07-09 02:59 Gunsillie: What would you think if a room suddenly disappeared in your house ?
2014-07-09 02:59 Yauxo: id probably start to believe in the supernatural
2014-07-09 02:59 Gunsillie: 1) "WTF?!" probably, but 2) it would feel empty, even if the room was useless
2014-07-09 03:00 Yauxo: or bulldozers
2014-07-09 03:00 Gunsillie: That was the 3AM philosphical thought by Gunsillie
2014-07-09 03:00 Gunsillie: More immportantly, 00:36:017 - missing circle
2014-07-09 03:01 Yauxo: true actually
2014-07-09 03:01 Yauxo: added
2014-07-09 03:02 Gunsillie: So, here : 00:36:453 (1) - At first, I thought "nice, he didn't put a W here !"
2014-07-09 03:03 Gunsillie: But actually, wouldn't it be nice if (insert Beach Boys lyrics here) there was a W ? :>
2014-07-09 03:04 Gunsillie: Because the violin melody does : \-
2014-07-09 03:05 Yauxo: well, sorry for interrupting all of that, but mind skipping further hitsounds? >< iam rather tired and I think the hitsounds are in generally mapped how they should be mapped
2014-07-09 03:05 Yauxo: 3am here as well
2014-07-09 03:05 Yauxo: :s
2014-07-09 03:05 Gunsillie: Sure
2014-07-09 03:05 Yauxo: ill apply the changed hitsounds to the other diffs as well though
2014-07-09 03:05 Yauxo: so that its consistent
2014-07-09 03:06 Gunsillie: 00:46:569 (2) - random overlap fixing
2014-07-09 03:07 Yauxo: that one will be difficult as the head overlaps with 00:45:871 (4) -
2014-07-09 03:11 Gunsillie: it seems like imgur doesn't want to upload my picture
2014-07-09 03:11 Yauxo: why dont you use puush?
2014-07-09 03:12 Gunsillie: Because if someone looks at the mod 6 months later it won't work. just kidding idk
2014-07-09 03:15 Gunsillie: And something like this
http://i.imgur.com/jw8HEq8.jpg2014-07-09 03:15 Gunsillie: With some reworking
2014-07-09 03:16 Yauxo: looks pretty good
2014-07-09 03:17 Yauxo: changed
2014-07-09 03:18 Gunsillie: The next mod will say "Blanket !" and you will be screwed but that's the next mod...
2014-07-09 03:18 Yauxo: i dont think blankets are too important there
2014-07-09 03:19 Gunsillie: 00:47:615 (1) - More to the left because the wrist movement is open
2014-07-09 03:19 Gunsillie: Well, after 1 as well if you want your stream to look good
2014-07-09 03:20 Yauxo: i actually think that it has to be slightly rotated
2014-07-09 03:21 Gunsillie: A + or - rotation ?
2014-07-09 03:21 Yauxo:
http://puu.sh/a2ZmM/b5c124aced.jpg2014-07-09 03:23 Gunsillie: OK I agree
2014-07-09 03:26 Gunsillie: 00:55:987 (5) - You can make a jump because you did it in similar situations
2014-07-09 03:26 Gunsillie: 00:50:755 (2) - 00:53:546 (2) -
2014-07-09 03:27 Gunsillie: Wait it is not similar at all _-_
2014-07-09 03:29 Gunsillie: 00:56:685 (1) - However it is possible here
2014-07-09 03:30 Yauxo: i dont think this part needs a jump
2014-07-09 03:32 Gunsillie: 00:58:778 (1) - Why did you chose this shape ?
2014-07-09 03:33 Yauxo: its a copy of 00:58:080 (5) - flipped 180°
2014-07-09 03:33 Yauxo: and because i like these moving-away-from-each-other type of combos
2014-07-09 03:34 Yauxo: 00:29:825 (1,2) -
2014-07-09 03:34 Yauxo: for example
2014-07-09 03:34 Gunsillie: Alright I get it, so then you should curve 00:58:080 (5) - more
2014-07-09 03:34 Yauxo: whys that
2014-07-09 03:35 Gunsillie: Wait, I think I don't have the same one as you
2014-07-09 03:36 Yauxo:
http://puu.sh/a30lZ/56afc7494b.jpg2014-07-09 03:36 Gunsillie: okay, I updated
2014-07-09 03:36 Gunsillie: You can curve it more, without breaking the curve with 3&4, to have a better flow with 6
2014-07-09 03:37 Gunsillie: Oh, wait, 6 is the copy of 5
2014-07-09 03:37 Yauxo: ye
2014-07-09 03:37 Gunsillie: Can't be helped then
2014-07-09 03:39 Gunsillie: Maybe it's because it's late, but isn't 01:01:569 (1) - not aligned with the stream ?
2014-07-09 03:40 Yauxo: thats ,01, its not really important
2014-07-09 03:44 Gunsillie: 01:02:267 (4,5,6,1) -
2014-07-09 03:45 Gunsillie: I tried something, tell me what you think
2014-07-09 03:47 Gunsillie:
http://i.imgur.com/YVquwHP.jpg2014-07-09 03:47 Yauxo: thatd force me to move 01:02:964 (1,2,3,4) - and i think it feels pretty well
2014-07-09 03:48 Gunsillie: There is a stange flow on 01:03:313 (2,3) - but we will say it maps the violin
2014-07-09 03:52 Gunsillie: 01:14:127 (1) - "Odd shape"
2014-07-09 03:53 Yauxo: i dont mind odd shapes
2014-07-09 03:53 Yauxo: i tend to use them more often lately
2014-07-09 03:53 Yauxo: isit too odd though=?
2014-07-09 03:54 Gunsillie: It is the choice of rhythm that disturbed me, and then the shape
2014-07-09 03:54 Gunsillie: Because you follow the violin during this one slider
2014-07-09 03:55 Yauxo: well, thats just how I map i guess
2014-07-09 03:55 Yauxo: i guess i can rethink the shape
2014-07-09 03:55 Gunsillie: Maybe have a movement which would begin by going down instead of right like it is the case currently
2014-07-09 03:56 Gunsillie: A bit like 01:12:732 (1) - +40°
2014-07-09 03:56 Gunsillie: i meant left ofc -.-
2014-07-09 03:58 Yauxo: i guess i kinda like it this way more as 2 3 and 4 make a nice straight movement
2014-07-09 03:59 Gunsillie: So make it go diagonaly then \o/
2014-07-09 04:00 Gunsillie: So that there is also a good flow with 01:14:999 (2,3) -
2014-07-09 04:01 Gunsillie: And for the shape, as long as it remains on the grid, it will be fine because 2014 mapping OP
2014-07-09 04:02 Gunsillie: In fact, your original slider+ Ctrl+J + some small changes will probably do
2014-07-09 04:02 Yauxo: uf, i kinda cant get into it diagonal stuff
2014-07-09 04:02 Yauxo: straight just feels better to me
2014-07-09 04:03 Gunsillie: Alright, no big deal
2014-07-09 04:06 Gunsillie: 00:18:139 (4) - I find this shape nicer
2014-07-09 04:07 Yauxo: naw
2014-07-09 04:07 Yauxo: btw, i guess ill go to sleep then >< its so late
2014-07-09 04:08 Gunsillie: Okay, do we continue tomorrow ?
2014-07-09 04:08 Yauxo: right now id prefer if you could put it in a normal mod, as simple shapes and stuff can be posted there as well. we went over the hitsounds so that should be just fine
2014-07-09 04:09 Yauxo: so i can apply mods whenever i feel like it tomorrow
2014-07-09 04:09 Gunsillie: np, so I will do that tomorrow
2014-07-09 04:09 Gunsillie: Well, later today I mean
2014-07-09 04:10 Yauxo: sounds good
2014-07-09 04:10 Yauxo: dont forget to post the log as well
2014-07-09 04:11 Gunsillie: I won't
2014-07-09 04:11 Yauxo: okay, so thanks for your time then, gn8 o/
2014-07-09 04:11 Gunsillie: Bye