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Rank harder maps

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Should ET maps (like Thanatos, Little Hearts, unlimited spark) be allowed for ranking?

Yes
270
92.15%
No
23
7.85%
Total votes: 293
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PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
I agree with Xcrypt about the definition of "overmapping".

Lots of general rules weren't taken into account when o!m came out, I think it's time for us (aknowledgeable o!m community) to rework some of these. I'm willing (we are all willing) to discuss these, so what about we create a new thread made for RC discussion, talking about one problenatic RC at a time to avoid confusion, and submit a rule change/new rule once we've reached an agreement (and without straight denying them because someone of higher authority said it sucks so it must not be implemented even though they have no clue what they are talking about. I want to hear people's true opinions. Not some ready made ideas which aren't even true in the slightest to begin with.)

On a side note, care to explain what "technical mapping" is ? x_x
Xcrypt
264 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Xcrypt
I just meant it as in someone who spends a lot of time thinking about the structure of the map etc, not just throwing stuff in there because you like a certain pattern or because you feel like it.
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
Oh ok I thought you were referring to a certain mapping style or something (asked Specter as well lol). So basically mappers who know what they're doing.
Roxas
osu! Alumni
1,354 posts
Joined August 2011
Roxas
Well, I said "I define" but I could freely say "We define" because it's a common definition in std, as you said. In fact, I agree with your definition too, Xcrypt. My definition is surely incomplete and I think we can discuss about these things in a new RC topic (ask Loctav for being more sure, I only THINK you can :/ )
And, again, we allow hard/ET/extralunatic maps as long as they fit. As you can see, there are some ET maps ranked, like Thunderbolt or Akasha, no BATs complained about them.

Xcrypt wrote:

They make up excuses in order to call that map overmapped, just because they feel like it's too hard.
Never happened this. This would be ridicolous.

Xcrypt wrote:

Either way, I hope you don't see this as an offense but maybe a way to rethink the definition of 'overmapped' in mania.
Don't worry. I know you are not here for offending anyone, we are only discussing.
Xcrypt
264 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Xcrypt

Roxas wrote:

I agree with your definition too, Xcrypt
Thanks for the reply.
If you agree with my definition, could you please give the ghost diff by agka another look? I've checked it in editor myself a couple times, all notes make sense to me. At 100% speed, there's a few notes that do not make sense to me because it is too hard for me to follow properly (those are the hardest two sections with fast big chords) but when I look at them at 50% speed I can clearly see that nearly every chord/note is mapped to a sound that makes sense.
If you disagree would be nice to know exactly why.

Roxas wrote:

we allow hard/ET/extralunatic maps as long as they fit. As you can see, there are some ET maps ranked, like Thunderbolt or Akasha, no BATs complained about them.
Yes that's true, some hard/ET maps are ranked, and I feel like it's going in the right direction, but I also feel like there's still a lot of huss fuss. A lot of good hard maps are denied as well, more than good hard maps are ranked. I also think that this also gave the community like a feeling that they shouldn't bother even trying to rank harder maps because 95% of the time it will get denied anyway.
Roxas
osu! Alumni
1,354 posts
Joined August 2011
Roxas

Xcrypt wrote:

Thanks for the reply.
If you agree with my definition, could you please give the ghost diff by agka another look? I've checked it in editor myself a couple times, all notes make sense to me. At 100% speed, there's a few notes that do not make sense to me because it is too hard for me to follow properly (those are the hardest two sections with fast big chords) but when I look at them at 50% speed I can clearly see that nearly every chord/note is mapped to a sound that makes sense.
If you disagree would be nice to know exactly why.
I think it's not the right place for talking about, we can have an IRC chat about this.

Xcrypt wrote:

Yes that's true, some hard/ET maps are ranked, and I feel like it's going in the right direction, but I also feel like there's still a lot of huss fuss. A lot of good hard maps are denied as well, more than good hard maps are ranked. I also think that this also gave the community like a feeling that they shouldn't bother even trying to rank harder maps because 95% of the time it will get denied anyway.
I never saw hard maps denied unless they were overmapped.
Maiz94
1,376 posts
Joined June 2010
Maiz94

Roxas wrote:

ishimaru94 wrote:

Here's a question.

What if that overmapped diff can easily be tackled/pass by those advanced/ET players? Doesn't it make them rankable for it?
As I said above, it's a fact of game rules, not of difficulty.
Could you link me to the rules so that I can understand(?) it better, perhaps?
dionzz99
677 posts
Joined April 2013
dionzz99
bump this..

*Thumbs up* holy moly..

EDIT:
if ETozer's map ranked:
1. Scoreboard is only a few.like ET person only
2. even if other player join the scoreboard. probably NF,EZ, or HT.
3. few S by ET,much B,C,or D by us who are noob ;w;
4. people may download but didn't play it (just a souvenir lol)
5. the map may give +1000pp if around 99% or something
6. some other possibility that i never thought....
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Maiz94
1,376 posts
Joined June 2010
Maiz94
Still, mania BATs are decreasing though. :P
dionzz99
677 posts
Joined April 2013
dionzz99

ishimaru94 wrote:

Still, mania BATs are decreasing though. :P
they keep retire ;w;
now only 2... dangit..
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
Redxas has been studying for quite a while, Shi-Ra wants to quit, and PROGUY just can't handle everything by himself. O!m really needs a few new mania BATs to keep the ranking process going smoothly. D:

/me pokes BATmanager
Entozer
297 posts
Joined February 2010
Entozer
Objectively speaking, Mania is harder to mod than standard. Maybe it's possible to tone down the rc? Or broaden the team that manages mania maps. Assign someone to handle specific aspect of the map. Have someone check the patterns, have someone check the hitsound, have someone check the consistency of the diff, have someone check the relevance of the notes, etc etc.
Xcrypt
264 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Xcrypt
Entozer for BAT2014 !!!
CephiCC
76 posts
Joined August 2013
CephiCC

Xcrypt wrote:

Entozer for BAT2014 !!!
Fullerene-
550 posts
Joined April 2013
Fullerene-
Someone said that harder maps should be ranked

harder maps like this https://osu.ppy.sh/s/174381
ArcherLove
1,434 posts
Joined March 2013
ArcherLove

Fullereneshift wrote:

Someone said that harder maps should be ranked

harder maps like this https://osu.ppy.sh/s/174381

___________________

btw I have my personal hitsound checker :3 /me poke Pew
onehundred1
30 posts
Joined February 2013
onehundred1

CephiCC wrote:

Xcrypt wrote:

Entozer for BAT2014 !!!
>ENTOZER FOR BAT

YES PLS MAKE HIM A BAT! MAPTOZER BATOZER THE BEST!

DuckRice_old
53 posts
Joined January 2011
DuckRice_old

onehundred1 wrote:

>ENTOZER FOR BAT

YES PLS MAKE HIM A BAT! MAPTOZER BATOZER THE BEST!


CephiCC
76 posts
Joined August 2013
CephiCC
I'm gonna make a signiture-friendly version of the masterpiece, gimme a minute

Agka
680 posts
Joined January 2009
Agka
are you guys serious
entozer already was a bat
Pinecone
151 posts
Joined February 2014
Pinecone
what is this I don't even
Maiz94
1,376 posts
Joined June 2010
Maiz94
I'm pretty sure Entozer doesn't want to be bat again due to his experience of being a bat.
CephiCC
76 posts
Joined August 2013
CephiCC

-Hazelnut wrote:

what is this I don't even
can you literally not even?
Pinecone
151 posts
Joined February 2014
Pinecone
no I don't even but I do play korean mmorpg.
Fullerene-
550 posts
Joined April 2013
Fullerene-
lr2 isn't an EAST ASIAN ONLINE MULTIPLAYER GAME
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Drace
314 posts
Joined April 2011
Drace
but he plays Korean Mmorpg
Pinecone
151 posts
Joined February 2014
Pinecone
I play korean mmorpg but drace doesn't play korean mmorpg
CephiCC
76 posts
Joined August 2013
CephiCC
korean east galactic west quadrant third quarter nsfw mmo thread go!
ArcherLove
1,434 posts
Joined March 2013
ArcherLove
wha....t ?
Xcrypt
264 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Xcrypt
I find this attempt very korean mmorpg
ArcherLove
1,434 posts
Joined March 2013
ArcherLove
what is this mmorpg :( ?
Xcrypt
264 posts
Joined July 2013
Topic Starter
Xcrypt
http://puu.sh/9kip4/a471f4dc3f.png
Handy420
53 posts
Joined October 2013
Handy420
i try it...i test it...and i watch it


kinda 0.5 sudden fail


i voted yes <(")
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
4,496 posts
Joined February 2009
Loctav

ishimaru94 wrote:

I'm pretty sure Entozer doesn't want to be bat again due to his experience of being a bat.
I always wonder where you pull this bullshit from.

This thread started to be stupid, because if you want harder maps, map them - but map them reasonable.
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