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OnosakiHito
Removed some posts.
Having opinions is fine. Question is how you say it and what reason you can provide. If you don't have any, please stay away instead of taking peoples time.

Congratulation nold_1702.
Wishy

nold_1702 wrote:

Rather than putting offensive comment here,should we disscuss why this map is bad.
Which part(s) of it is bad?
None, people is mad because they can't play it that's it.
Avena

Wishy wrote:

nold_1702 wrote:

Rather than putting offensive comment here,should we disscuss why this map is bad.
Which part(s) of it is bad?
None, people is mad because they can't play it that's it.
You don't need to be in the top 100 to see when a slider looks bad or to know when the NC usage is way too extreme, stop flaming for nothing.
JAKACHAN



Now coming from someone who tested it before it was even released I still feel like the movements within the map are way to choppy for a map that is so heavily consisted of sliders.

This is also coming from someone who typically enjoys nold's mapping so this has nothing to do with hating the mapper or the mapping style. I just do not believe this type of mapping fits with sliders.
Konei

Priti wrote:

You don't need to be in the top 100 to see when a slider looks bad or to know when the NC usage is way too extreme, stop flaming for nothing.
Because a Slider looking "bad" is a totally objective thing, yea.

Also you might want to stop posting

Priti wrote:

slightly humoristic
stuff, because all I can see you reaching with this is making people agressive.
Wishy

JAKACHAN wrote:




Now coming from someone who tested it before it was even released I still feel like the movements within the map are way to choppy for a map that is so heavily consisted of sliders.

This is also coming from someone who typically enjoys nold's mapping so this has nothing to do with hating the mapper or the mapping style. I just do not believe this type of mapping fits with sliders.
I can't play AR 10, hence the bad result. Thank god I learned how to change AR on the editor!!!

Priti wrote:

You don't need to be in the top 100 to see when a slider looks bad or to know when the NC usage is way too extreme, stop flaming for nothing.
So your argument is that you don't like the slider shape.

Do yourself a favor and step out of this. The only valid thing I've read on this thread yet is that JAKACHAN "doesn't like how the movement feels", again subjective.
Wishy
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Ulysses

Priti wrote:

None, people is mad because they can't play it that's it.
You don't need to be in the top 100 to see when a slider looks bad or to know when the NC usage is way too extreme, stop flaming for nothing.[/quote]
Yes,modders don't have to be the top 100 of it,but the one who trys to help with this map,should have the ability to read this map properly(AR10).And you didn't even prove that you can.Stop posting if you cant even read this map but just putting offense here.
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Ulysses

JAKACHAN wrote:




Now coming from someone who tested it before it was even released I still feel like the movements within the map are way to choppy for a map that is so heavily consisted of sliders.

This is also coming from someone who typically enjoys nold's mapping so this has nothing to do with hating the mapper or the mapping style. I just do not believe this type of mapping fits with sliders.
I repeat again,there must be players to love and hate a map.I am so happy to listen that you loved my maps except this one.However,if you do not like any of my maps,just delete the maps which you don't like.Various of players love the movement on this map,including me.
P.S. I am able to pass this without NF and get a B.
Lust

nold_1702 wrote:

JAKACHAN wrote:




Now coming from someone who tested it before it was even released I still feel like the movements within the map are way to choppy for a map that is so heavily consisted of sliders.

This is also coming from someone who typically enjoys nold's mapping so this has nothing to do with hating the mapper or the mapping style. I just do not believe this type of mapping fits with sliders.
I repeat again,there must be players to love and hate a map.I am so happy to listen that you loved my maps except this one.However,if you do not like any of my maps,just delete the maps which you don't like.Various of players love the movement on this map,including me.
P.S. I am able to pass this without NF and get a B.
While I am with others on the agreement that the map is not well done, I find myself to be a very open man when it comes to discussions like this. However in your recent posts and in others, I find your ways of thinking to be flawed. Someone who cannot read AR10 in play can easily open up the editor and pick out parts of a map with some background in modding/mapping. Playing and modding are two different aspects of this community. Being able to pass your own maps should be given, after all you did make the set. Instead of being defensive about your patterns claiming that "many players love the movement", is not a good argument. The majority of those saying such things are coming from one side of the community. Being able to take critique is all part of the experience in mapping. Telling us to delete your map isn't going to solve anything either. The sentiment against the mapset will always be there.
JAKACHAN

Wishy wrote:

So your argument is that you don't like the slider shape.

Do yourself a favor and step out of this. The only valid thing I've read on this thread yet is that JAKACHAN "doesn't like how the movement feels", again subjective.
And "people being mad they can't play it" isn't? Especially when you are one of those people?

This is just another map that was mapped to be hard and didn't turn out how it should of. Unfortunately, no one will do anything about it because that's how these always turn out.
Aqo
Like all maps, there will be maps some people enjoy and others don't. No map can appeal to all players.

A lot of issues are subjective. "Doesn't play well" for one person can be "a new fun type of pattern" for another person. There is no one absolute truth on the matter and the bottom line is that people who don't like the map shouldn't assume the same things they personally don't like are also things others dislike. Play the maps you like, stay away from others; osu has quite of a big map selection to appeal for everybody.

Either way, modders should try to see the map from the mapper's point of view when modding, and suggest things to improve the map (with the mapper's intentions in mind), not to change the map into something else.
Liiraye

JAKACHAN wrote:

Wishy wrote:

So your argument is that you don't like the slider shape.

Do yourself a favor and step out of this. The only valid thing I've read on this thread yet is that JAKACHAN "doesn't like how the movement feels", again subjective.
And "people being mad they can't play it" isn't? Especially when you are one of those people?

This is just another map that was mapped to be hard and didn't turn out how it should of. Unfortunately, no one will do anything about it because that's how these always turn out.
If it's so bad then go map how it's supposed to be yourself, since you apparently are an elite mapper.

I agree with aqo. People need to learn the difference between giving good constructive criticism and being mean. This is nolds creation. You should be grateful to be playing it.

I hate the mapping community in osu. I really do.
Ethercastle

Lust wrote:

While I am with others on the agreement that the map is not well done, I find myself to be a very open man when it comes to discussions like this. However in your recent posts and in others, I find your ways of thinking to be flawed. Someone who cannot read AR10 in play can easily open up the editor and pick out parts of a map with some background in modding/mapping. Playing and modding are two different aspects of this community. Being able to pass your own maps should be given, after all you did make the set. Instead of being defensive about your patterns claiming that "many players love the movement", is not a good argument. The majority of those saying such things are coming from one side of the community. Being able to take critique is all part of the experience in mapping. Telling us to delete your map isn't going to solve anything either. The sentiment against the mapset will always be there.
You should bear in mind that people hardly ever reach consensus on anything, though.

Take an extreme example, I hate Justin Bieber and I believe that, seriously, he should sing death metal instead. Is that a valid critique? Probably yes. He has the perfect voice for that.Should he really sing death metal? Definitely no. "Many people love his songs". The majority of those voice comes from one side of the (global) community, namely brainless teenage girls. Nonetheless, he should never take my critique as if he actually starts his metal career, he'll probably....(can't imagine the cruelty).... Instead, he should just ignore me and tell me to delete all his songs. The sentiment against him will be there beyond forever, but who cares? Girls like him.

Most of the time, the reason why a mapper declines some suggestions is not that he/she is a super stubborn asshole, but that the suggestion does not cohere with his/her vision of the map. Taking the suggestion would surely make some people like the map more, but will, meanwhile, make others like the map less. Aqo's post summed it up quite well so I'm not gonna repeat.

Mappers who make popular maps deserve respect. However, as far as I believe, mappers who are able uphold their opinions, survive the haters and egocentric modders and subsequently bring to the community unique and stylish maps deserve more respect. As without them, we would only have homogenized maps that plays fluent but yet identical.
OnosakiHito

JAKACHAN wrote:

This is just another map that was mapped to be hard and didn't turn out how it should of. Unfortunately, no one will do anything about it because that's how these always turn out.
I wonder why we have sets. I wonder.

Anyway, keep calm guys. JAKACHAN said he believes it's not fitting, noting else. So please don't force a discussion because of his own opinion. He doesn't said it is fact(rather assumed it), so let it drop off in room.
cheesiest
i like this map
Avena

OnosakiHito wrote:

JAKACHAN wrote:

This is just another map that was mapped to be hard and didn't turn out how it should of. Unfortunately, no one will do anything about it because that's how these always turn out.
I wonder why we have sets. I wonder.

Anyway, keep calm guys. JAKACHAN said he believes it's not fitting, noting else. So please don't force a discussion because of his own opinion. He doesn't said it is fact(rather assumed it), so let it drop off in room.
I love you.
I hate how people bandwagoon the bashing train, once someone says something against the map they all attack him for no actual reason, just to feel like they are rightous people.
DenoisoGoiso
edit extra -->> save as new difficulty -->> set AR10 to AR9 -->> then don't refresh and delete notes -->> enjoy


enjoy

Stefan wrote:

for gods sake, why is this so big. this is really not needed to make that so big.
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Stefan
for gods sake, why is this so big. this is really not needed to make that so big.
pw384
MAN, THAT IS JUST YOUR OPINION. YOU CAN DO NOTHING TO CHANGE THE MAPPER'S IDEAS BUT WHY YOU ARE ALWAYS FIGHTING AGAINST SOMETHINGTHAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CHANGE??
Soarezi

384059043 wrote:

MAN, THAT IS JUST YOUR OPINION. YOU CAN DO NOTHING TO CHANGE THE MAPPER'S IDEAS BUT WHY YOU ARE ALWAYS FIGHTING AGAINST SOMETHINGTHAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CHANGE??
Wot m8
Giralda

OnosakiHito wrote:

JAKACHAN wrote:

This is just another map that was mapped to be hard and didn't turn out how it should of. Unfortunately, no one will do anything about it because that's how these always turn out.
I wonder why we have sets. I wonder.

Anyway, keep calm guys. JAKACHAN said he believes it's not fitting, noting else. So please don't force a discussion because of his own opinion. He doesn't said it is fact(rather assumed it), so let it drop off in room.
I think this sums it up pretty nicely. Just say your congrats and move on or something.
Low
this is so fun :D
Asphyxia
8-)
Lunah
People should understand Rendard =\= needs to be overmapped

This map is so bad : the 1/4 slider with Approach Rate 10, the silent streams and slider velocity 2,80 with 180 BPM.. seriously
Avena

lesslunatic wrote:

People should understand Rendard =\= needs to be overmapped

This map is so bad : the 1/4 slider with Approach Rate 10, the silent streams and slider velocity 2,80 with 180 BPM.. seriously
2014, Get used to it.
Itachi_Uchiha

Priti wrote:

lesslunatic wrote:

People should understand Rendard =\= needs to be overmapped

This map is so bad : the 1/4 slider with Approach Rate 10, the silent streams and slider velocity 2,80 with 180 BPM.. seriously
2014, Get used to it.
Made my day...

No seriously, the rules say "Only map on a part where you can hear something in the music" or so... (Too lazy to look for it)

But that does not mean Map on everything you hear
LKs
I dislike the map because the bg is not diao enough hahaha
Skystar

LKs wrote:

I dislike the map because the bg is not diao enough hahaha
it's diao enough imo
astelios
WTF
Was ranked 2 days ago.
AWESOME map and song!
Edit: it is ranked :P
Kunino Sagiri

Priti wrote:

Scorpiour wrote:

I was planning to rank this map but wcx came first.

I think I get the gist now of how bad maps get ranked

When I see BATs like this that can't even tell between a question and an insult, I won't even wonder. What a huge enlightenment :D
Sonnyc
I've just find this out, and it's AMAZING

Though I can't play.
MiPan_old
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