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Been playing for nearly 4 months, still can't pass hards.

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Talinoth
I have a confession to make.

Usually I wouldn't be bothered about the speed of my progress... buuut...

I have a friend in real life who started playing Osu about 2 months after I did.

At this time, I was struggling to full combo normals - let alone attempt hards. The prick then comes back to me about a week after he started and says "Hey man, I can do Hards now, this game is really easy!"

My experience - over two months
His experience - one week
My skill - barely FC'ing some normals
His skill - he could do Hards

"FUUUUUU-"

And there you have it. My motivation to create this thread :(

Then again, I never checked to see if he was actually just talking $#!% or not... I have some investigation to do, gentlemen.

Thank you to everybody who gave positive answers. Special mention to bewaredrev, who linked me to a beatmap pack with a song that isn't one more of the happy-go-lucky slice-of-life anime-bull$#!% themes that appears to be all over the Ranked beatmaps section.
I seriously appreciate that :)
SkylXTumn
Hey, firstly, I'm not too sure on what you mean by not being able to play [hard]'s. Do you really mean the difficulty of hards or insanes? The screenshot you posted of you achieving rank B on that song was an Insane, lol. Mappers don't always classify all maps that is classified by Osu as insane as Insane or any indicator of that sort.

Just look at the beatmap's page and you can look at the alphabet just before the difficulty. E = Easy, N = Normal, H = Hard, I = Insane. That was why I think someone else asked you how come you were facing difficulty spikes in a map that is a hard, I think. (speculation)

Only insanes generally have those, generally. I think. I've only been around for a month though, and I play mostly insanes, some classified as 'hard' by the mappers but I just follow Osu's classification on those maps.

About your friend.. Well everyone improves at different rates. Some are just really good at Osu while others are not. I can say though, that indeed, the best way to improving at Osu is just practice, and practicing frequently. I have 1.5k plays 1 month in, and quite some many days I wasn't around. But then again, everyone has different amounts of time that they are able to spend on Osu. In any case, I'm sure you'll see a vast improvement sooner or later.

Best of luck to you!
Topic Starter
Talinoth
If THAT was an Insane, it was literally the easiest Insane in the history of Osu. Almost all of the Hard maps I have are harder than that.

Yes, I took a look at the beatmap's page, and it IS classified as an "Insane", but the difficulty definitely resembles a very easy hard map.

Somebody should totally look into that, or scrubs like me will be able to falsely say "Rofl, you guys are so bad, I was able to do my first insane with only 4 months play! Get better"

So yeah, to answer the question, it's Hards I'm having trouble with. In general, it's a problem with hitting more stuff on screen faster that I'm working through. It's also a problem with not being able to work through large patterns on high approach rates.
Mostly it's because I'm bad.

But I'm getting better, at least.
My hand hurts SO much after playing today though, I think I really do need to take a one day break.
SkylXTumn
There are a wide variety of insanes, lol, classified by the beatmap's pages anyway. What I look at is normally the success rate. For that map, it has a 26% success rate, and indeed, that is a very high success rate, hence hinting it as a rather easy map. ;p
Bauxe
Play more harder songs instead of trying to get good ranks on easy / normal.

WindyExplorer
i would say try and enjoy the game more then straight hard grinding practice lol i use to be stuck on normals and my friend does hard and some insanes but after awhile i just stared to enjoy the game more and work on my tapping since in the faster maps u gotta be able to tap faster, now i can do hards and maybe few insanes but if u focus on how u improve more then enjoy the game u wont notice it.

i spent maybe 7 months on normals and easys lol and stared to work into some hards that my friend threw at me and he would lol saying if u dont try hards u wont ever be able to do it so i started to do them even if i failed but sooner or later i started to notice i could tap fast enough and jump around decent enough to play them now. every once and awhile ill jump back on a normal and throw dt and hd to improve my accuracy and tapping speed then go try a hard one sometimes it works sometimes i fail and i just keep trying.

everybody improves at a different rate some just take longer some just are natural born osu ppl o_O.
brendanuhs
buny is right though. ranked hards aren't the maps that mappers like to overmap random shit everywhere. that would be unranked/high-high level insanes. and you seriously deimprove by playing easy/normal because you get used to low note density, low ar and retardedly low od. like on most normals i can "miss" or hit it way off time that it should be a miss, and still get a 300. wtf.
tl;dr: stop playing easy stuff. don't complain about maps. you're not at the level where you know what you're talking about.
winber1
nofail should be your best friend by now
Wishy
Playing Easies and Normals is a waste of time and you should not play any of them after 1 or 2 days into the game.

Also, playcount.
buny

Talinoth wrote:

....

VICTORY!

After like 50 tries of that particular map, and a hundred or so tries on other hards, I finally passed a hard!

YAYYYY!



EDIT:

1: Get better then
2: LOL no. Just because you can't do it does NOT mean it's showing off OR overmapping
3: No again, learn to play and stop finding excuses for the fact that you're utter crap

It sickens me that your last statement clearly shows that you're somebody that won't even bother to put in effort to improve, still lingering in the normal-difficulty range.
Odd. Your cutesy-cutesy anime avatar almost directly clashes with the horrendous negativity and venom in your post.

First, I have no problem with getting a higher accuracy rate for these ones. That's natural.

I never said there was anything wrong specifically with showing off. It just irks me that the difficulty drastically increases in these sections in a way that doesn't naturally flow with the rest of the map.

And three, please don't put words in my mouth. Where was I making excuses? I never tried to hide the fact I'm not good at this game.

"Fact that you're utter crap?" Oooh, that stung me a little. I need to go find myself some tiny tiny band-aids and put some ice on that horrific burn you just gave me. I'll be feeling that one for DAYS.

Clearly you make up for your lack of social skills and superior holier-than-thou attitude with your amazing osu prowess. Top 1000 in the game is really pretty awesome but I'm not sure that it justifies how nasty that post was. Have you sacrificed your social skills for the ability to full combo Insanes?
The fact that you're trying to insult me on something other than the topic is that you lack evidence to prove me otherwise.
You made the excuse by simply blaming the map rather than taking the fault. Just try to reread what you said and tell yourself that you don't sound like a whiny brat.

Clearly you make up for your lack of social skills and superior holier-than-thou attitude with your amazing osu prowess.
Lol. Who's putting words in whose mouth, now? This is a stop-bitching-because-youre-shit attitude.
Sal32

Talinoth wrote:

....

VICTORY!

After like 50 tries of that particular map, and a hundred or so tries on other hards, I finally passed a hard!

YAYYYY!



EDIT:

1: Get better then
2: LOL no. Just because you can't do it does NOT mean it's showing off OR overmapping
3: No again, learn to play and stop finding excuses for the fact that you're utter crap

It sickens me that your last statement clearly shows that you're somebody that won't even bother to put in effort to improve, still lingering in the normal-difficulty range.

Hey at least you are better than me...I can't pass this map =="
Xcrypt
Sorry, but I was able to clear my first hard within the first two hours of play on my first day of osu and I'm pretty sure some people are even lots faster than that.

I'm not blaming you for being a slow learner, but you can't cry for ages over it. I think it's cool that you're still sticking with the game because that shows you really like it. You just have to like stop frustrating yourself over how other people compare to you, because it doesn't matter. Just focus on your own performance, or even just focus on having fun.
Soulg
focus on improving and stop caring about anything aside from that and having fun

if you are convinced you should have hit a note but you missed it watch the replay and see how you missed it and use that to go back and hit the note correctly

try using a different skin aside from osu basic

turn hitsounds up and focus on the hitcircles and the music playing in the background




there are countless things you can do to improve, bitching on the forums isn't one of them
plus everybody improves at different rates, its not your fault so just have fun and work on it at your own pace.
Rinku
You just need to play more. 1k plays in 4 months is pretty low. I have 6k plays in 2 months and i was able to play insanes like week 2. Peoples skill varies but I can guarantee that you can play insanes after 3k playcount assuming you get it in a reasonable amount of time and you challenge yourself. If you play songs you can already get an A rank in theres little to no benifit to play it again.

This is just another "need to practice" thread. If you don't have 3k+ playcount or achieved it in a long period of time your going to be bad. It's also disappointing to see threads like these daily.

The best way to get better is to stop asking for help and just play.
Sal32

-Rinku- wrote:

The best way to get better is to stop asking for help and just play.
Soarezi
Dont expect to get better if u barely play. I can get like 900 playcount in a day if i wanted.
Aqo

Soarezi wrote:

Dont expect to get better if u barely play. I can get like 900 playcount in a day if i wanted.
But can you do it without pressing Retry or Esc? Can you? That's the real question yo

[Why Not Me? More like "Why me"] have fun spending 8 hours on this
Aeren
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Topic Starter
Talinoth
I'm afraid playing much more than I do will be hard in some ways.

I can probably double (maybe even triple? who knows) my plays per day average by just playing Osu every day instead of every so often. That's a given.

But the whole "I can do 900 plays in a single day, get on my level" malarkey is just completely infeasible for health reasons.

If I play this game for more than 5 hours a day, it almost certainly WILL do damage to my hand/wrist. Continuing to play when you're getting those oh-so-familiar twinges just feels like a very bad idea. That's why I stop.

Anyway, I always make a full recovery after I take a break, and I get very, very slightly better each time. The time investment to make meaningful progress is a bit annoying though. Is it like this for everyone else?

It's strange actually. I feel like a lot of my spare time goes in to playing this game - but apparently, it's not quite enough yet.

Now to address some points made.

nofail should be your best friend by now
Nofail is... I don't know... it feels evil...
My main fear with No-Fail is that I'll end up developing weird habits and lackluster accuracy from just spamming on hit circles on high BPM maps instead of making calculated but slower moves on lower BPM maps that get me better scores.

Plus, that one time I did use No-Fail (to pass a Normal actually, it was a long time back) it gave me literally the worst score anyone's ever gotten for the map. Like, I looked at the highscore list, and my score was the VERY LOWEST score in the entire 9000 long list. Ouch.

Sal32 wrote:

-Rinku- wrote:

The best way to get better is to stop asking for help and just play.
Yes, I realise that I need to practice more.

I probably just needed validation because A: My progress seems damningly slow from my own perspective and B: My RL friend is already 4x better at this and he hasn't played as long. I know, that's a pretty shallow reason to post this thread. I know that.

I'm a human being though, and I can't help but be irked at how he smirks at me while he thinks "Still having trouble, are you?". Grrr.

The fact that you're trying to insult me on something other than the topic is that you lack evidence to prove me otherwise.
You made the excuse by simply blaming the map rather than taking the fault. Just try to reread what you said and tell yourself that you don't sound like a whiny brat.

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Clearly you make up for your lack of social skills and superior holier-than-thou attitude with your amazing osu prowess.

Lol. Who's putting words in whose mouth, now? This is a stop-bitching-because-youre-shit attitude.
Bam. Right there. I'm afraid that you were the first to make personal insults, *sir*. I'm not trying to prove otherwise that I'm a bad player because I can't. I never did try. I've acknowledged from the beginning that I'm a bad player. Understand?

I did re-read my own post. I'll admit there are things I could have phrased better. Have you re-read your own? It's also unnecessarily harsh, if you haven't noticed.

I NEVER, EVER, EVER blamed the map for the fact that *I* failed. I simply stated my OWN inability to deal with the flashy, artsy sections that mappers throw into their Hards. That's not the mappers' fault - they can do whatever they want, it's their map - it's my fault for not being able to pass it.

I never put words back in your mouth. I made a character judgement, based on your achievements in Osu and what you've said to me.

And really, "stop-bitching-because-you're-shit attitude"? What do you think holier-than-thou actually means? It means you're holding yourself above me because you're very very good at Osu and I'm very very bad. Aren't you just telling me I shouldn't have an opinion, one way or the other, because I'm not as skilled as you? I don't like that idea. Even if I WAS bitching about Hards being too flashy or overmapped (which I wasn't, btw), my opinion wouldn't be automatically disqualified just because I'm not amazing at the game.

I'd even forgive all the negativity if you had something worthwhile to say. But you didn't. You didn't have anything worthwhile to say. Perhaps you too, needed to think before opening their mouth? You didn't help. You didn't contribute. You didn't even just say "Practice more!". You did none of these things. The sum total of everything you have said to me is "You're shit". And that's it.
Why did you even bother posting? Why did you? Because you wanted to try and ruin somebody elses day, lol. That's all you came here for.

This "conversation" has been pretty reassuring though. Because you've revealed to me in your own little way, that you're just a human being like everyone else. That you don't need to be a robot to play Osu - because you're not a robot. You're just a bit of a jerk over the Internet, that happens to be good at getting very high scores on Hards and Insanes.

So in your own way I guess, you were very helpful to me. Congratulations - you've actually made my day.
Thank you. <3
mcdoomfrag
You are WAY over thinking this. When I was at 1000 playcount, I was still having fun beating and normal maps and DT+HR easy maps. Not that you shouldn't aim high, it's just that at this level there aren't 'tricks' or 'tips' to make you better. Hell, even at a higher level, posting on the forums and arguing with people isn't going to solve anything. Just play the damn game. Stop visiting the forums in the hopes of some magic revelation that will make you better and just do what everyone is telling you to do. Practice makes perfect, and most importantly enjoy the game.
Wishy
Editing cause no point.
Nysis
I think you need to simply play more ^^ (idk, I started to get to trying to fc normals, until 50-60's, to hards, and stuff.)
Also you're play count isn't as high as others doing hard modos.
Arcanine
just keep playing more

i know how you feel bb

i was like you in da beginning with the most noob song. now i'm trying to pass airman and i've made little progress

YukinoDesuDesu
You should buy a tablet.
Gigo

Asiangodx2 wrote:

You should buy a tablet.
Absolutely! After all, it's a proven fact that osu simply CAN NOT be played with a mouse. Good mouse players DO NOT exist in osu. Everybody, if you are wondering why you suck at osu, it's because you are playing with a mouse. Buy a tablet... now!
Full Tablet

Artaxerx wrote:

Asiangodx2 wrote:

You should buy a tablet.
Absolutely! After all, it's a proven fact that osu simply CAN NOT be played with a mouse. Good mouse players DO NOT exist in osu. Everybody, if you are wondering why you suck at osu, it's because you are playing with a mouse. Buy a tablet... now!
Exactly.
Mystrian_old
Play james maps.

Artaxerx wrote:

Asiangodx2 wrote:

You should buy a tablet.
Absolutely! After all, it's a proven fact that osu simply CAN NOT be played with a mouse. Good mouse players DO NOT exist in osu. Everybody, if you are wondering why you suck at osu, it's because you are playing with a mouse. Buy a tablet... now!
NoClue and SiLviA are good mouse players
Kanye West
Been playing for more than 2 years.

Still can't pass hards.
Soarezi
been playing for 9 months, still can't FC big black
GoldenWolf

Mystrian wrote:

NoClue and SiLviA are good mouse players
do you even sarcasm
Rinku

Talinoth wrote:

-Rinku- wrote:

The best way to get better is to stop asking for help and just play.
Yes, I realise that I need to practice more.

I probably just needed validation because A: My progress seems damningly slow from my own perspective and B: My RL friend is already 4x better at this and he hasn't played as long. I know, that's a pretty shallow reason to post this thread. I know that.

I'm a human being though, and I can't help but be irked at how he smirks at me while he thinks "Still having trouble, are you?". Grrr.
Lol stop responding to this thread and just play. Your reasoning doesn't matter to anyone, even yourself. If you play you will get better.
Mizuno Yui
I don't really understand this condescending "Just play" thing. I'm still fairly new and learning, and here are the 2 most recent examples I can think of that speak otherwise:

1. Streams: Just spamming streamy maps doesn't do shit, but lewa's "think about this and that while streaming, don't just mash buttons, etc etc" helped me more than just mindless playing
2. Jumps: "Play Scarlet Rose more", "practice" and stuff don't seem as helpful as Higu's jump training thread.

I understand some things might seem like common sense, but pointing them out is far more helpful than picking on people because they can't play.

Edit: I just feel whiny :(
Zare
Scarlet Rose is best practice tho.
silmarilen

mentalac wrote:

I don't really understand this condescending "Just play" thing. I'm still fairly new and learning, and here are the 2 most recent examples I can think of that speak otherwise:

1. Streams: Just spamming streamy maps doesn't do shit, but lewa's "think about this and that while streaming, don't just mash buttons, etc etc" helped me more than just mindless playing
2. Jumps: "Play Scarlet Rose more", "practice" and stuff don't seem as helpful as Higu's jump training thread.

I understand some things might seem like common sense, but pointing them out is far more helpful than picking on people because they can't play.

Edit: I just feel whiny :(
the thing is, there are no things that seem common sense to us but might not to others that havent been said 500 times all over this forum already.
it may be the OP's first time posting here, but we have seen the same question come by countless times and it gets boring when the answer is all over the place already.
Mystrian_old

Zarerion wrote:

Scarlet Rose is best practice tho.
With NoFaill I'm no good at recommendations, but here. ClariS - Connect (TV Size) and Chata - Taiyou

If I had to give some advice, it would be to practice "snapping".
Zalaria
Hards don't have much of a difficulty spike, that would be the insanes. And don't worry if you can't pass hard diffs yet. Everyone learns at their own pace. Heck, you said 4 months, I was still playing normals at that time as well, though I did a few hards also and got decent ranks on them. It took me about 7-9 months to be able to play insanes somewhat well. I'm a slow progresser and I don't mind that. Just keep playing and you'll notice an improvement over time ^^ No one becomes pro overnight right? :D
brendanuhs

mentalac wrote:

I don't really understand this condescending "Just play" thing. I'm still fairly new and learning, and here are the 2 most recent examples I can think of that speak otherwise:

1. Streams: Just spamming streamy maps doesn't do shit, but lewa's "think about this and that while streaming, don't just mash buttons, etc etc" helped me more than just mindless playing
2. Jumps: "Play Scarlet Rose more", "practice" and stuff don't seem as helpful as Higu's jump training thread.

I understand some things might seem like common sense, but pointing them out is far more helpful than picking on people because they can't play.

Edit: I just feel whiny :(
higu's jump training is less helpful than just playing whatever map you want. practising patterns you can't play properly, gradually increasing difficulty. which is the most common thing ppl to do. just play shit you like and you get better, and you start playing more difficult songs u like. it's so obvious. there's a reason you no one takes threads like and to you it seems like "picking on people" and it's because there are at least 100 threads about this and the answer is always the same.
ityka
The thing is though that you seemingly keep disregarding what people tell you to do in this thread while you still post like you can't understand how your friend that started later than you is better. Hard work prevails dude. Many of my friends had over 5k plays in the first month they found osu!

You care far too much for your own rank, and putting on no fail and playing insane songs / high bpm hards seem to almost frighten you. Honestly it just feels like you want to vent out that your friend is so much better than you and you cannot understand how, he must be soooo talented. Quite honestly I dont think you want to improve. A quote from kriers to a question about high vs low mouse DPI on his ask.fm I think fits pretty well here, even though its to another question:

"I don't see how you have the motivation required to become really good. Maybe that's fine with you but we will always give you advice based on the assumption that you're trying to improve as much as possible and so it's frustrating to stay cool about ignorance to our advice when the truth is you don't care to bother at all."
Zare

silmarilen wrote:

the thing is, there are no things that seem common sense to us but might not to others that havent been said 500 times all over this forum already.
it may be the OP's first time posting here, but we have seen the same question come by countless times and it gets boring when the answer is all over the place already.
Can we like, quote this everytime someonme asks a stupid question and instalock the thread afterwards?
No wait, G&R would be dead then, well shit
-Chronopolis-
You can try playing with no fail for the majority of your time and focus/base your improvement on being able to play those faster patterns, rather than not dying. Like would you practice a piano song only from the start, always restarting if you made a serious mistake? No way.

EDIT: After reading the thread through.

Talinoth wrote:

Nofail is... I don't know... it feels evil...
My main fear with No-Fail is that I'll end up developing weird habits and lackluster accuracy from just spamming on hit circles on high BPM maps instead of making calculated but slower moves on lower BPM maps that get me better scores.

Plus, that one time I did use No-Fail (to pass a Normal actually, it was a long time back) it gave me literally the worst score anyone's ever gotten for the map. Like, I looked at the highscore list, and my score was the VERY LOWEST score in the entire 9000 long list. Ouch.
Stop focusing on score. Focus on whether or not you can read and aim and tap in rhythym harder and harder patterns. I'll go ahead and put this out here. I'm a no-fail player. Over 90% of my 6000 odd plays have been using nofail. I still can't pass some hards. But I can do just fine nofail on most insanes (and pass the ones with lower drain). You can and will get grades like B and still be like 9001/9007 for score. You will not get an ounce of pp unless you decide to take a detour into pp whoring town. However, you will likely get better at playing harder and faster songs.

The part you mentioned about spamming is a valid concern, just figure out your max comfortable single tap and streaming speeds for burst and sustained, and don't play songs which have a bpm more than 20-30 what you are comfortable with.

Also stop hating on mappers and other players. It's not cool and makes you look silly.

Most people I've seen posting could do HR+DT+HD+FL on easy maps in first week, normals as soon as they could start playing, hards within the first 2-4 weeks, and insanes in only 6 months or so.
Let me speculate. Let's say osu players are divided into two categories: those who feel the need to show off when they post on the forums, and those who don't. Let's make another, unrelated division: those who improve very fast, and those who don't. It's reasonable to assume that only those who fall into the first category in both cases would post their history, and so there you go.
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