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How crappy is my osu loadout really?

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brother nori
2 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
brother nori
I told some people what I was using to play osu and my settings and they laughed at me a lot. Is this really all that pathetic?

mouse: this logitech wireless mouse thing
keyboard: this logitech wireless keyboard thing
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/w ... 50?crid=27

tablet: wacom bamboo splash or whatever
http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Bamboo-Spla ... B0089VGPII


mouse, I use at 1.3x sensitivity.
keyboard, I alternate the D and F keys.
tablet I don't use very much, but I play full area mouse mode 2.3x sensitivity, keeping the pen held down on the tablet and hitting with D and F keys.

Is this reasonable? or am I a abomination to the osu world?
sorry if this is something over-posted, couldn't find any rules/guidelines (its probably somewhere obvious but can someone link me?) so I just guesstimated these forums go by common sense rules.
stuffycatz
29 posts
Joined February 2012
stuffycatz
I'm using a shitty logitech mouse and keyboard here.
Nothing abnormal about using something that is not branded.
pielak213
463 posts
Joined April 2010
pielak213
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Francis
120 posts
Joined November 2012
Francis
I also use a wireless logitech mouse and keyboard and I too use 1.3x when playing with mouse.
There is nothing wrong with what you are using, and those people who laughed at you deserve to be punished.
Weed
506 posts
Joined May 2013
Weed
Should be just fine, I used a similar setup for awhile. Find out what you like and stick with it :D
nrl
1,402 posts
Joined October 2011
nrl
I'd say you should be using the tablet at 1.0x osu! sensitivity, but I don't know if it actually messes with anything. I'd also say you should try to switch to hovering your pen, but that's really a preference thing.

Pettanko wrote:

Using 'mouse mode' on your tablet pretty much defeats the entire purpose of using a tablet to play osu!
I totally missed this. I guess it's really all your personal preference, but mouse mode really does defeat the purpose of using a tablet with osu!.
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Pettanko
246 posts
Joined September 2012
Pettanko
Using 'mouse mode' on your tablet pretty much defeats the entire purpose of using a tablet to play osu!, so I recommend using 'pen mode' and 1.0x whenever you're using it to play. Nothing wrong with your keyboard as long as there isn't a noticeable delay on input when you're pressing keys. As for your mouse, as long as it points to where you want it to go then it's fine, isn't it?
AmaiHachimitsu
1,639 posts
Joined May 2011
AmaiHachimitsu
Wireless is cancer, thank you.

Any other sensitivity than 1.0 is cancer too.

But there is no need to waste money on shitty game, you can do quite ok with that setting.
Roricon
185 posts
Joined May 2013
Roricon
I've played osu! until last friday with the same mouse then you (it's 1000dpi and I used 6/11 i, windows), but I had problems doing spinners and then changed to the razer deathadder and the difference was unbelievable. My spinning went from 250 spm average to 320 spm and my gameplay overall improved. I feel that I've made more improvement on my last 300 plays with my deathadder then i did in 3k plays on the logitech mouse.
There are so many maps i couldnt pass even after 30+ plays wich i passed in 1-3 plays since i have the deathadder. So for me just changing my mouse made a huge difference.

I've also changed from a dome to a mech keyboard(blacks) two weeks ago and for me changing from dome to mech didnt help alot.
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neurosis
508 posts
Joined March 2012
neurosis
i think everything there is fine except not using the tablet on 1.0x.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
use pen mode...
Cozzzy
94 posts
Joined October 2012
Cozzzy
Other than tablet set on mouse mode, yeah it's fine. Wireless isn't ideal, but it's still possible to set some good scores with it. If you're in a position to choose, I'd generally stay away from Logitech peripherals for gaming though; with the exception of the G400 mouse and Ultra X Flat keyboard, I haven't had great experiences with them.
brother nori
2 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
brother nori
Well, I guess it's a relief to know that it's crappy, but I can still get by with it. I'm clearly committing a tablet sin though, so I guess I'll switch to 1.0x/pen mode/restricted area. Maybe I'm using my tablet all wrong is why I prefer mouse so much. @tomden very insightful answer, I do have trouble with spinners so I'll look into this deathadder in the future. I mean, as a broke kid (as someone mentioned, I didn't realize my age was public, fixing that shit asap) I don't exactly have $70 to drop on a gaming mouse when my PC can hardly play games anyway, so maybe when I start that paid internship junior year I'll be okay to upgrade.
ballplay
86 posts
Joined August 2013
ballplay
i play on a laptop and my keyboard is pretty worn out. sometimes i would get a 5 ms response time but i'd just reset my laptop and it will be fixed for a while. and i use a tablet
nrl
1,402 posts
Joined October 2011
nrl
You don't need to restrict your tablet area, full area is perfectly acceptable.
NobodySawThis
1 post
Joined April 2012
NobodySawThis
If it helps to elevate your self-esteem,I've played the game for 2 years, 1st year with a ball mouse(shit so old, it deserved to be an antique shop), and the second with this brandless mouse I got for a cheap price. My keyboard is 10 years old( it comes along as a set for the windows XP).

BUT I'M DESPERATE FOR BETTER GEAR TO PLAY THIS GAME!!! :x IM STUCK WITH FOSSILS UNTIL I GOT SOME MONEY TO SPARE
MarioBound
74 posts
Joined February 2013
MarioBound
osu! aint about flashy expensive hardware, its about skill.
thelewa
3,537 posts
Joined August 2010
thelewa

MarioBound wrote:

osu! aint about flashy expensive hardware, its about skill.
Rori Vidi Veni
175 posts
Joined January 2013
Rori Vidi Veni
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nrl
1,402 posts
Joined October 2011
nrl

MarioBound wrote:

osu! aint about flashy expensive hardware, its about skill.
You will see improvements with flashy expensive hardware, though.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

MarioBound wrote:

osu! aint about flashy expensive hardware, its about skill.
You will see improvements with flashy expensive hardware, though.
that's what they tell themselves
JAKACHAN
684 posts
Joined March 2011
JAKACHAN
Doomsday disagrees with hardware needing to be amazing to perform well (cheap ass mouse).
Reisen disagrees with hardware needing to be amazing to perform well (250 BPM with a rubber dome)
Cookiezi disagreed as well for the same reason (banned forever, revolution deathsquad rubber dome)
Blue Dragon disagrees as well (Used a cheap ass tablet with a bent pen for how long?)
One of the best headphones both Pancake and I have used was a 20 dollar logitech headset.

Every argument for every piece of hardware has now been removed.
Dexus
982 posts
Joined July 2009
Dexus
So if you gave a player:

A: a Microsoft Internet Keyboard Pro, a trackman mouse, a computer from 2004, a monitor with a response time of 30ms or more.

B: a red switch keyboard, a wacom tablet, a recently made computer configured well, and a 120hz lightboost enabled monitor with 1ms response time

Which do you think would adjust to the game faster and be better?
JAKACHAN
684 posts
Joined March 2011
JAKACHAN

Dexus wrote:

So if you gave a player:

A: a Microsoft Internet Keyboard Pro, a trackman mouse, a computer from 2004, a monitor with a response time of 30ms or more.

B: a red switch keyboard, a wacom tablet, a recently made computer configured well, and a 120hz lightboost enabled monitor with 1ms response time

Which do you think would adjust to the game faster and be better?
If you polish a turd it's still a turd. If you give a shitty gamer good peripherals they are still a shitty gamer.

I've dealt with the same thing in climbing. You can put a good set of climbing shoes on a climber and they may help but there were people climbing the same shit we do in nice climbing shoes in hiking boots 30 years ago.
Natt
50 posts
Joined January 2013
Natt
More skill based than hardware based.

Although mechanical keyboards do make these neat clicky sounds when you click them.
Dexus
982 posts
Joined July 2009
Dexus
I should have said "new player to the game" in my example. You assumed I just meant any player or someone that has been playing.
Really though you have no idea how big of a difference there is between the two things I said do you?

Let me do it in your climbing lingo
If you give a person

A: a pick, their bare hands and a flat wall

B: climbing gear with a wall that has ledges you can grab and an easy path marked out by people who already climbed the wall.

Who's going to get up the wall first?
There is a difference depending on what is at your disposal. This is the point I'm trying to get across.
Death
Technical Support Team
20,476 posts
Joined September 2013
Death

JAKACHAN wrote:

Doomsday disagrees with hardware needing to be amazing to perform well (cheap ass mouse).
Reisen disagrees with hardware needing to be amazing to perform well (250 BPM with a rubber dome)
Cookiezi disagreed as well for the same reason (banned forever, revolution deathsquad rubber dome)
Blue Dragon disagrees as well (Used a cheap ass tablet with a bent pen for how long?)
One of the best headphones both Pancake and I have used was a 20 dollar logitech headset.

Every argument for every piece of hardware has now been removed.
I am a musician so I will use this...
If you give a professional musician an old beat up instrument there is a very likely chance they would still be able to play it better than the rest of us.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

Dexus wrote:

I should have said "new player to the game" in my example. You assumed I just meant any player or someone that has been playing.
Really though you have no idea how big of a difference there is between the two things I said do you?

Let me do it in your climbing lingo
If you give a person

A: a pick, their bare hands and a flat wall

B: climbing gear with a wall that has ledges you can grab and an easy path marked out by people who already climbed the wall.

Who's going to get up the wall first?
There is a difference depending on what is at your disposal. This is the point I'm trying to get across.
you can't compare that to the peripherals used in osu lol.

also, not using fancy equipment doesn't mean you're using BROKEN equipment.
you can get good working mice for $10 that are just as good as any other mice, and obviously the whole "fancy crap doesn't matter" is to an extent

instead of trying to compare broken equipment, compare cheap products to the pricy ones. A player with a crappy mouse can perform just as good as a player with some $200+ mouse (i.e. doomsday), and a lot of players are also playing on standard work station mouse + keyboards and can do just fine.
Arcanine
181 posts
Joined May 2013
Arcanine
nothing wrong there o.0

youre tablet is fine and it's really just a keyboard and mouse. as long as youre comfortable with it then it's all good.
RaneFire
1,181 posts
Joined May 2011
RaneFire
I used to play CS 1.6 about 7-13 years ago... winning a few local tournaments (I think about 7 in total?)... on a computer that could barely maintain 30fps. And in smoke grenades it dropped to 4fps... so I didn't go near those lol. Typically you don't run through them anyway before FB'ing so it wasn't much problem. PC hardware is pretty expensive here though, and the winnings weren't enough back then. I think I was only able to buy my mx518 in about 2005/6 (can't rem).

I was also playing on a WMO mouse most of that time, a pair of headphones that translated into about $7 and a rubber dome keyboard.. all on my parents' PC. Due to sharing a computer I also had limited time to practice said game. But I did get to borrow it for tournaments.

My team captain for eswc 2006 (last tournament before entering uni) went ballistic when I sent him end-of-round screenshots and saw my fps limiter capped at 40. I told him it's my parents PC and they have a celeron with an ATI TV card, so there was nothing I could do. I can't remember whether he was impressed or mortified, but my pc was the topic of conversation for a while afterwards.

Also that $7 pair of headphones is still working just fine today, after roughly 12 years.

I've since bought some decent hardware, only because I am earning a salary now. But don't let that stop you. I wasn't particularly bothered by my bad hardware either. I just knew I had to practice smarter & harder, using my time better.
Roricon
185 posts
Joined May 2013
Roricon
Cheap equipment won't stop you from improving but having decent hardware certain helps.
I've played league of legends for quite a while the first year i played on a 6 year old pc with a crappy graphics card wich made my screen go black for a few secs like once every 20 mins and whenever there was alot off action around me my fps would drop to 10. I died alot due to that reason but even when playing for a year with that pc i improved alot. But when I finally bought a new pc with an really expensive graphics card my rank increased really fast(not dieing randomly due to black screen etc).

Same for osu! I played 9k+ plays with a way too expensive for what it is logitech mouse(same as the topic starter uses). Yes I did improve alot in those 9k plays but I feel like my improvement rate became faster now that I'm using a razer deathadder(my spinning went from 250 avg to 320 avg by just using a new mouse without changing my technique). I also feel that my accuracy became better.

So you can definitely become a pro with cheap equipment but it might take more effort.
Dexus
982 posts
Joined July 2009
Dexus
This is a trackman mouse by the way guys, let's see some AR10.3 270BPM with this
I haven't denied that playing with cheaper hardware can still be playable up to pro-tier and I never said anything about broken hardware neither. I'm mainly saying that it will take longer to progress to said point. You guys are completely missing the point I'm trying to make here.

Also, I will never call a player crappy because this is a game where your improvements depend mostly on how much effort you put in the game. People are all different in their own respects and have all such variable environments to deal with. The process for some may take longer than others. You're an oppressive misanthropist if you think someone will amount to nothing without knowing what they're dealing with.
Nines
392 posts
Joined May 2013
Nines
Logitech doesn't even manufacture my mouse anymore. :P I play on a mac too. So I probably get more laughs. ;-;
Xho
152 posts
Joined November 2012
Xho
You might want to force proportions in the tablet settings (but that's just personal preference that the distance to jump horizontal is the same as jumping vertical, there are enough (good) players who don't use forced proportion though)
Using pen mode is basically a must..
Also, use 1.0x mouse sensitivity in osu!
If you're playing with mouse, it's probably better to keep your pointer speed at 6/11 (or 5/10, just keep it at the middle).
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