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kouzuki_karen
948 posts
Joined March 2013
kouzuki_karen
Exactly...

Sad when people have to talk about political tensions between countries using Chinese on something like osu as well...
Dexus
982 posts
Joined July 2009
Dexus
It's a tidal wave of stupid being in that twitch chat. Honestly twitch isn't bad when you've got a handful of dedicated viewers. When it comes to large events and lots of viewers though, it's a nightmare.

Mr Color wrote:

Please don't look at twitch chat, look at the gameplay instead
It wouldn't hurt to have more dedicated moderators.
Liiraye
1,354 posts
Joined December 2011
Liiraye

Mr Color wrote:

Please don't look at twitch chat, look at the gameplay instead

That's pretty freaking impossible when the commentators go afk forever or don't talk, not to mention the 5+ min pauses between each map being played. Are we supposed to silently look at the pulsating osu logo for that time or try to conversate/read a pile of what seems to be never ending interesting opinions (but is mostly shit)?

No, I think measures need to be taken against this sewage dump of a chat.
PlasticSmoothie
242 posts
Joined March 2010
PlasticSmoothie
I moderate a few streams on twitch, and after a period of aggressive modding twitch chat usually starts being mediocre instead of shit. Get more mods, preferably also some that understand Chinese/Korean/whatever languages that usually get spoken there so that offensive stuff in those languages can get a timeout/ban too.
get mods that aren't afraid to tell people they're being retards (Of course not in an offensive manner) instead of just silently sitting there and banning everything. Having them be visible in chat usually helps a bit.
List some basic chat rules in the stream description so mods can easily refer to them when swinging the banhammer.

No amount of modding will make it a good chat when there's 3k+ viewers, but it can make it less shit.
Purple
467 posts
Joined May 2011
Purple

peppy wrote:

Is it me or has twitch trained people to talk shit in chat 24/7? There's no hope on that site. I think it has something to do with the emotes and hopeless moderation system.
Nothing new here, preteens will continue to act like preteens and grown-up bigots will continue to act like bigots. It's not really the website that is at fault, its the trolls themselves and their lack of manners/maturity/education/sanity/loving parents. Animosity shields you from any kind of repercussion, and some people will only behave with such threat of punishment in place. This is why Youtube keeps asking it's users to use their real name.

I think a combination of Facebook linking, slow down and active moderation should do the trick.
PLAYER WITH RSI
51 posts
Joined April 2013
PLAYER WITH RSI
Don't even pay attention to the twitch chat it's full of cancer and meme spouting kids.
TakuMii
1,874 posts
Joined October 2009
TakuMii
I also think that it'd be a good idea to get more dedicated moderators and reinforce rules more aggressively. Although it won't get rid of all of the problems, it will make the chat a better (or at least more tolerable) place.
Me168
152 posts
Joined September 2012
Me168
The problem is that if you ban all the bad words, people will find words to use in place of that. It would almost be better to not have chat in the first place.

I don't even want to deal with a bunch of little a-holes (Excuse my language) eating Doritos and playing Call of Duty, so I generally avoid the chat anyways. The breaking point for me with it was when Cookiezi went online during one of the matches and everybody was freaking out in the comment box and everybody left to go watch him play.
me3lingual
20 posts
Joined May 2013
me3lingual
I just hide the chat section when I'm watching something on twitch. I like the nice big screen, and seeing all the hateful speech just puts me off. So, until it is more heavily monitored, I am content with watching it full screen. Especially when there are so few matches remaining (for this portion of the World Cup, since Taiko will be starting up in the next two months).
Gigo
266 posts
Joined March 2013
Gigo
Generally, a 2 (or more) minute slowmode will help reduce the spam and make the chat more readable. When it's easier to read, it will be easier for the moderators to ban all the retards.
silmarilen
5,579 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
slowdowns are no use in a channel with over 5k viewers (almost 8k peak during quarter finals, imagine finals), you should just instantly ban everybody that cancers in there
neurosis
508 posts
Joined March 2012
neurosis
looks just like average #osu to me
Soulg
575 posts
Joined February 2013
Soulg

Me168 wrote:

The problem is that if you ban all the bad words, people will find words to use in place of that. It would almost be better to not have chat in the first place.

I don't even want to deal with a bunch of little a-holes (Excuse my language) eating Doritos and playing Call of Duty, so I generally avoid the chat anyways. The breaking point for me with it was when Cookiezi went online during one of the matches and everybody was freaking out in the comment box and everybody left to go watch him play.
that's kind of a rare case though. he's the best, most popular player in the game and he already didnt play much anymore. so him getting on was a big deal, and most people watching OWC weren't vested in it, just something to throw your spare time at.
Weed
506 posts
Joined May 2013
Weed
i agree
KevinL337
8 posts
Joined January 2013
Topic Starter
KevinL337
I didn't know you could hide twitch chat. I was going to say its kind of hard not reading it when I'm waiting for the next song to start. I've seen some some really big channels where its subscribers only who can post, and the chat is a lot more mature when they do that. Does having more mods cost money?
Soulg
575 posts
Joined February 2013
Soulg
its harder to find people that will volunteer to moderate the chat (or that are able to, I know that for me the matches happen in the middle of the day where I have classes etc)
Oinari-sama
osu! Alumni
3,403 posts
Joined July 2010
Oinari-sama
Yes it's a bliss to be able to hide the chat. I just use the tiny arrow on top right to hide chat and expand the video at the same time. Full respect for mods who have no choice but to man their posts.

I think Lach's idea is great. Just need a service like twitch that auto saves the stream on server.
Martinawa
105 posts
Joined December 2010
Martinawa
If I want to read people talking about OWC like civilizated people I read #owc while I see the matches. I really don't care about twitch. Too much people speaking their native languages which I don't understand. I don't even care if they are saying good or bad things or just spamming.
Zeraph
266 posts
Joined September 2012
Zeraph

Mamoru Senpai wrote:

tbh, it's quite annoying that people refuse to try english tho. Just spamming everything with korean and chinese is annoying as fuck.
you are a flaming fucking idiot.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
Why not just use #owc?

I mean, if anything peppy could just embed the stream onto a separate page specifically for owc and add a panel for the web IRC, and have everyone linked to that page instead from the client. It'd probably be more civil as there'd be a more daring consequence for inappropriate behaviour and players that don't actually play the game won't be able to spam the chat with nonsense.
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Mamoru Senpai
Mamoru Senpai

Zeraphlol wrote:

Mamoru Senpai wrote:

tbh, it's quite annoying that people refuse to try english tho. Just spamming everything with korean and chinese is annoying as fuck.
you are a flaming fucking idiot.
Ya, so flaming and racist to be honest. Better insult me.
It's just my opinion.

We used #german to talk about the games in our language. Sure, some doesn't but
it doesn't flood the entire chat with kanji and stuff, so that noone could read anything anymore.
I'm not a native english speaker, but I would still try to talk with people in english.

And now, grow up kid. What is this forum for when people can't tell their opinion.
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Weed
506 posts
Joined May 2013
Weed
This thread is slowly becoming twitch chat
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
I do agree that the owc chat should strictly be kept english as the commentating and language are all english too.

I'd say make more language-specific channels opened for owc.
neurosis
508 posts
Joined March 2012
neurosis

bewaredrev wrote:

This thread is slowly becoming twitch chat
the forums and main chat channels have always been that
Tsukimi Luna
726 posts
Joined July 2010
Tsukimi Luna

Soulg wrote:

that's kind of a rare case though. he's the best, most popular player in the game and he already didnt play much anymore. so him getting on was a big deal, and most people watching OWC weren't vested in it, just something to throw your spare time at.
Im not sure, but I dont think its a big deal....
Cookiezi quits?
Cookiezi this
Cookiezi that
everything cookiezi
Am i the only one that never gives a single f***

Not flaming but.....
I hate watching kids spam the chat about cookiezi, WWW, Silvia blablalbla,
As if he is some sort of higher being that they have to worship him
Thats why i resort to ignoring them since a year ago..
Closing #osu everytime i launch osu! is worth it too

And I dont multiplayer with random pubs anymore because of this "racism"
Happens sometimes
Inb4 private room forever

I remember that day cookiezi apparently got lolipopped....
almsot every chat when apeshit, the moment i log in i see 4~5 people going apeshit already..

Why cant they feel happy for someone that actually found something more constructive to do instead of playing osu! 24/7
You cant earn money by playing osu!



that was a bit of a derailment......

But then i dont know how typing in other languages in a public chat is racist...
They would probly think you are racist because you keep typing in English expecting them to understand English
Lets say for example US vs China...
Wont the Chinese people think that its unfair that none of the commentators speak Chinese?
Are they only allowed to watch and not allowed to say anything just because they cant understand a word of English?
But then again i might be wrong too...
This is just my personal opinion


Best thing you can do is just watch the stream and not care about the chat.....
There's an #owc for a reason
JappyBabes
666 posts
Joined February 2011
JappyBabes

Mamoru Senpai wrote:

Ya, so flaming and racist to be honest. Better insult me.
It's just my opinion.

We used #german to talk about the games in our language. Sure, some doesn't but
it doesn't flood the entire chat with kanji and stuff, so that noone could read anything anymore.
I'm not a native english speaker, but I would still try to talk with people in english.

And now, grow up kid. What is this forum for when people can't tell their opinion.
You use #german because #osu is an English only channel. Twitch chat is not language restricted unless specified by rules that pertain to a channel in particular, which there doesn't seem to be any in this case besides common sense. Saying that, "it's quite annoying that people refuse to try english tho. Just spamming everything with korean and chinese is annoying as fuck.", does not stop you from being called out because it's your 'opinion', it's not even spam and I'm fairly certain that Asians make up a large portion of osu. Saying shit like the Asian languages are 'annoying as fuck' actually makes you look like an asshole, leading to insults such as you being a 'flaming fucking idiot'.
Mamoru Senpai
Mamoru Senpai
All this would work if you wouldn't see the fact that english is the international language on this planet. So yes, no one is forced to speak english but I think it's disrespectful to everyone who are not able to understand [insert any language here]. Even I say something like "annoying as fuck" doesn't mean you can insult however you want. I didn't insult the people or the language. I just said something about the shitstorm in the chat I don't understand (In this case Kanji).

l2read (Yes, it sounds like I'm acting like a dick, but seriously: What did you expect after you agree with insulting for this reason l0l)
Full Tablet
2,542 posts
Joined September 2011
Full Tablet

Mamoru Senpai wrote:

All this would work if you wouldn't see the fact that english is the international language on this planet. So yes, no one is forced to speak english but I think it's disrespectful to everyone who are not able to understand [insert any language here]. Even I say something like "annoying as fuck" doesn't mean you can insult however you want. I didn't insult the people or the language. I just said something about the shitstorm in the chat I don't understand (In this case Kanji).

l2read (Yes, it sounds like I'm acting like a dick, but seriously: What did you expect after you agree with insulting for this reason l0l)
How is it disrespectful to type something that not everybody can understand?
If you can't understand when people speak in their own language, you shouldn't assume the messages are intended to be aimed at everybody. If you have a reason to think that the messages are offensive, you should figure out what they mean before concluding anything.
Mamoru Senpai
Mamoru Senpai
It's just my own opinion. That's why I immediately speak english, even I'm with 6 germans and one british guy in a room/teamspeak/whatever.
Anyways, I wont and I can't tell people in what language they have to write. People just shouldn't get mad then if I complain about something like that. I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one who's thinking like this.
CXu
osu! Alumni
3,558 posts
Joined March 2009
CXu
1. Ignore the non-English stuff.
2. ???
3. profit.
Mamoru Senpai
Mamoru Senpai
Guess you didn't pay any attention to the chat.
CXu
osu! Alumni
3,558 posts
Joined March 2009
CXu
Nope I didn't, but it doesn't matter. You're complaining about something not worth complaining about.
Zeraph
266 posts
Joined September 2012
Zeraph
Not once in my post did I say that you can't state your own opinion but a general rule of thumb you should keep in mind is that if someone/people DISAGREE, with your opinion, you can/will get flamed.

In this case, you're a flaming fucking idiot.

Also, not even mad, you're just stupid. l0l
Mamoru Senpai
Mamoru Senpai
Nice niveau buddy. ~~
Me168
152 posts
Joined September 2012
Me168
My only problem with people not using English falls in Multiplayer, when you want to communicate with the other people in your room but they don't know English and you Don't Know their Language (It sucks more for me because Instead of Learning French or Spanish I'm taking American Sign Language), But I try to figure something out in the end to communicate with them if necessary.

But in the end it never really bothers me at all, because some people don't know English, much like I don't know French or Spanish.

However, for the OWC, There's no reason to get mad at another for using their native tongue, all they are doing is talking to people about their team or whatever else (Or being an Idiot. Idiots aren't exclusive to English Speakers/Writers)
Lapis-
407 posts
Joined June 2011
Lapis-
Okay seriously.
If a Asian team/non-English team is playing, of course you're going to have native speakers of their respective languages speaking in the chat - its their country supporting them and discussing the match, if its not obvious enough.

This threads quickly growing stupid.
Soarezi
Soarezi
guys .. yhy you med??? is onle twich )) pls. no copi pesterino pasterino this messagerino thankarino yourino. keppa kaapo
Mamoru Senpai
Mamoru Senpai

Soarezi wrote:

guys .. yhy you med??? is onle twich )) pls. no copi pesterino pasterino this messagerino thankarino yourino. keppa kaapo
lol'd
Oinari-sama
osu! Alumni
3,403 posts
Joined July 2010
Oinari-sama

Me168 wrote:

My only problem with people not using English falls in Multiplayer, when you want to communicate with the other people in your room but they don't know English and you Don't Know their Language
I found out myself what works in those situations - primitive form of anime japanese (spelled with romanji) seems to do the trick!
Mikelicious
337 posts
Joined September 2012
Mikelicious

PortalLife wrote:

This threads quickly growing stupid.
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