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Gens
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Gens
I agree with Minelli, this wouldn't be so time-consuming as you guys say. It shouldn't take long, at least. I am sure it will be easier than what you all think.
I don't see a critical, if any, flaw in the system planning here (after reading through the whole topic). Myself, I'd battle for the award/badge in my profile, since I am sure I can win. <3
Shinde
osu! Alumni
707 posts
Joined April 2009
Shinde

Gemi wrote:

And seems to me like this time woud be better spent on actual modding of maps...
Quoted for truth.

It's a very nice idea I must say, but I don't think it could be implemented with fair success. I think it'd become either a popularity contest between modders or take too much effort, among other flaws. I agree it would probably cause a small, perhaps bigger than that, increase in modding, but I don't know if it's worth it. Too many opinions would be flying around. There's a decent chance of immaturity ruining things, or bad relations stemming from this. (Not to say there aren't quite a few positive results/outcomes, but I'm fairly sure the negatives outweight the positives.)

In all honesty, an award would be nice, but it wouldn't motivate me. I mod to earn people's respect as having tried to help them, and to learn to do a better job modding. Those two things are more than enough incentive to me. An award isn't much of an incentive, nor is kudosu.

I think the 'Top Modders' should be above things like modding for an award, and knowing that they helped people should be enough of a reward for them. The respect of the community is worth more than a silly profile badge in my opinion.

While the kudosu system isn't perfect for motivating people to mod, as some people abuse it and the star/priority system - I don't think adding achievements would help much.
Gemi
osu! Alumni
685 posts
Joined March 2008
Gemi

Shinde wrote:

I agree it would probably cause a small, perhaps bigger than that, increase in modding
I think this would cause a decrease in modding as people spend their time going through mod posts and trying to decide who was the best modder instead of actually modding songs.
Sir Minelli
524 posts
Joined September 2008
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli

Gemi wrote:

Shinde wrote:

I agree it would probably cause a small, perhaps bigger than that, increase in modding
I think this would cause a decrease in modding as people spend their time going through mod posts and trying to decide who was the best modder instead of actually modding songs.

Gemi: Did you actually read the whole thread?

No offense, but only a few judges will be doing this... ONCE per month and will not be much of a time consuming work at all.

I highly doubt that this will cause a decrease in modding.

Also, some users that post here say that the "negatives" about this idea will be higher than the "positives"

But no one has actually listed the negative aspects. Do I smell jealousy?

Number of Kudosu is not always the best indicator for knowing whos the best modder. In most cases it is NOT.
That is why monthly the top 50 kudosu earners will be listed in a chart.

From here, judges will read their posts and will know who modded the best.


I don't find anything wrong with this feature at all, you are making things look a bit more complicated than they really are.
0_o
2,155 posts
Joined December 2008
0_o
One serious flaw with the judging system is that it is difficult to tell how good a mod is without actually looking at the changes suggested in the map itself. There could a 50 line detailed mod that just didn't give very good advice, or there could be a quick, simple 5 line mod that was very useful. There is no way of really knowing how effective the mod was unless:
a) you checked the suggested changes yourself, or
b) the mapper posted which changes they did or didn't make, which only a handful of mappers do anyway, and even so it's not like mappers actually go into any detail about how useful the modder's mod was.
EDIT: Also, how would you propose a judging system would handle IRC modding? The only way of handling this in my mind would be do have users actually PM or post their IRC mod logs. Does anyone really want all that hassle?

Personally I am in favour of deciding modder of the month by kudosu. It's measurable and non-debatable; the proposed judging system just seems way too subjective. Sure you can get kudosu by suggesting a new combo or two, but if that's all the modder could find and the mapper found it useful, isn't that all that matters?

Deciding by kudosu I believe will also push people to mod more since there would be a live scoreboard (the monthly kudosu charts). People will be much more motivated to see their username climb the kudosu ranking charts than they would if there was no gauge to tell how well they are doing.
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Azure_Kite
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Azure_Kite
Modding modders seems like a waste of time to be honest, with less time devoted to modding maps and more time devoted to judging who is the best modder. [As has been stated above]
As has been previously stated, only a select few judges will be doing the 'mod modding', and only during a specific time of the month. This would have such a small impact on the overall mapping/modding community that I'm quite positive it'd fail to be noticed.

No judge can never be totally impartial, and again its wasting time that could be spent modding.
A valid point, but that's what a number of Judges is for. This helps to balance things out to keep things fair for everyone

I think the 'Top Modders' should be above things like modding for an award
The 'Top Modders' perspective on modding will change just because of this award? I don't think so. I think they'll continue to mod with contribution to the osu community as higher motivation than this award. But certain things motivate certain people. The current 'Top Modders' are people who freely contribute to the community for little more than the thanks they recieve from the mapper. If this award will motivate people who aren't motivated by community involvement, as it will, then it is well worth having.
Ekaru
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Ekaru
EDIT: Responded via PM, and I can make this much shorter so I will.

Just have both Modder of the Month and Top Kudosu Earner; that way, if this doesn't work out, you'll at least have Top Kudosu Earner for motivation, since it can't fail due to non-committed judges or mass whining.

Seems like a good idea, no?
Gemi
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685 posts
Joined March 2008
Gemi

Sir Minelli wrote:

No offense, but only a few judges will be doing this... ONCE per month and will not be much of a time consuming work at all.
The people who you'll likely get to this job are those who would otherwise be modding. Also, if you want a fair system you need to go through a LOT(ie. all of them for those with high amounts of mod posts) of mod posts and check how good t
hey are, to be able to judge who is the best modder. You tell me this takes only little time and I laugh.

Sir Minelli wrote:

But no one has actually listed the negative aspects. Do I smell jealousy?
Lol?

Sir Minelli wrote:

Number of Kudosu is not always the best indicator for knowing whos the best modder. In most cases it is NOT.
That is why monthly the top 50 kudosu earners will be listed in a chart.

From here, judges will read their posts and will know who modded the best.
Do you realize how many posts you'll have to read through? 50 users and a few dozen posts from each, that makes hundreds of posts to rad. That's not a quick task.
Sir Minelli
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Sir Minelli
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0_o
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Joined December 2008
0_o

Sir Minelli wrote:

4 .- Try to avoid only "suggestion mod posts" Try to find actual mistakes and post them.
If you only suggest something and get a kudosu, it might get denied.
Don't agree with this. Modding isn't just about finding mistakes, it's about making maps better. If the mapper took the suggestion, then the modder has helped improve the map, and deserves a kudosu.
Sir Minelli
524 posts
Joined September 2008
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli

0_o wrote:

Sir Minelli wrote:

4 .- Try to avoid only "suggestion mod posts" Try to find actual mistakes and post them.
If you only suggest something and get a kudosu, it might get denied.
Don't agree with this. Modding isn't just about finding mistakes, it's about making maps better. If the mapper took the suggestion, then the modder has helped improve the map, and deserves a kudosu.
As I said... try to avoid only suggestion posts.

Now with bold.
0_o
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Joined December 2008
0_o
Yeah I noticed the only. What's wrong with suggestion posts? Kudosu is supposed to be given if the post is useful, so if someone gave the mapper a couple of useful suggestions why shouldn't they receive kudos?
Sir Minelli
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Joined September 2008
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli
Faceman my friend,

The abuse... that's what I'm talking about... maybe I should type that word there.

Doing so now.

Edit: Done.

*waiting for more comments*
0_o
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Joined December 2008
0_o
gotcha ;)
Sir Minelli
524 posts
Joined September 2008
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli

0_o wrote:

gotcha ;)
Thank you GOD.
Lizbeth
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Joined August 2008
Lizbeth
i guess this system is less time consuming, and more reasonable. And decrease the abuse on getting kudos NO matter what...
Sir Minelli
524 posts
Joined September 2008
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli
Ok guys so let me know your opinions about this to see if we make it happen <3
Gens
osu! Alumni
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Joined August 2008
Gens
Aaah, actually, this system looks better. I'd say some opinions/replies to other posts, but let's just keep it like this. ;)

Well, anyway, I can't wait to see those people who have +5 medals of this. Ahaha~ (I don't want to get to the "Jealousy" part again though)
0_o
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Joined December 2008
0_o
I could picture myself turning into a modding machine when this starts (maybe)

/me approves :)
Lissette
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Lissette
support, this system is better
Derekku
COOL DUDE
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Joined March 2009
Derekku
Your new idea for the system sounds pretty much how I imagined it should be. (b`.`)b
Shulin
1,189 posts
Joined August 2009
Shulin
I support this system it sounds much less time consuming and better just a few questions regarding the denial of kudosu:

4 .- Try to avoid only "suggestion mod posts" Try to find actual mistakes and post them.
If you only suggest something and get a kudosu, it might get denied.
It is correct to give suggestions once in a while, but do not abuse these type of posts for your own benefit.
What if the maps modded have very little or no mistakes in them? If you modded 10 maps in a row with no mistakes and posted suggestions would that count as abuse? I think this needs to be specified a little more clearly because "abuse" and "suggestion" are subjective to both the modder and the person who judges the posts.

6 .- Making a difficulty for a particular beatmap is not a reason for obtaining kudosu anymore. It will get denied.
Should this be denied outright? Surely receiving one kudosu for helping create a difficulty isn't such a bad thing, and if there is 1 difficulty by the mapper and 1 guest difficulty surely it is helping because otherwise the map couldn't be ranked? Of course if this was abused it would be a bad thing, but the rules could be specified.

Other than that I think this system will have a positive affect.
Sir Minelli
524 posts
Joined September 2008
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli

Shulin wrote:

4 .- Try to avoid only "suggestion mod posts" Try to find actual mistakes and post them.
If you only suggest something and get a kudosu, it might get denied.
It is correct to give suggestions once in a while, but do not abuse these type of posts for your own benefit.

Shulin wrote:

What if the maps modded have very little or no mistakes in them? If you modded 10 maps in a row with no mistakes and posted suggestions would that count as abuse? I think this needs to be specified a little more clearly because "abuse" and "suggestion" are subjective to both the modder and the person who judges the posts.
Shulin, it is very unlikely that you mod 10 maps in a row and give only suggestions without finding any possible mistakes.
By Abusing this system, I refer to modding only maps that are bubbled / about to get ranked, posting a single suggestion while skipping all the hard work, and recieving kudosu for it. Try to aim your moddings to maps that are in the need of a solid mod in order to avoid future missunderstandings.
It is easy to notice if you slacked or not.
If you modded the map, gave only one suggestion... the comes another modder and posts like 15 mistakes he found, then you are doing it wrong.

6 .- Making a difficulty for a particular beatmap is not a reason for obtaining kudosu anymore. It will get denied.

Shulin wrote:

Should this be denied outright? Surely receiving one kudosu for helping create a difficulty isn't such a bad thing, and if there is 1 difficulty by the mapper and 1 guest difficulty surely it is helping because otherwise the map couldn't be ranked? Of course if this was abused it would be a bad thing, but the rules could be specified.
It is already being denied to everyone else.
You will already have your difficulty ranked for everyone else to play. That should be enough.
I have recieved already like 5+ difficulties for some of my maps and I never gave kudosu because the first time I did, a BAT denied it.

Shulin wrote:

Other than that I think this system will have a positive affect.
I hope you got me this time.
Shulin
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Shulin
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Sir Minelli
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Topic Starter
Sir Minelli
Reminder for peppy.

Go!
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
I think that "Maps always have mistakes, even after they are ranked."
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