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Hatsune Miku - Baby Maniacs (Short Ver.) [Osu|Taiko]

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JAKACHAN

Shiirn wrote:

I'd appreciate it if you could focus on direct, actual problems rather than disrespecting the mapper.

He's already been disrespected enough. As have I.
I'm not disrespecting the mapper.

I just pointed out that the entire map needs to pretty much be redone if he wants to have it ranked or approved.
Mismagius
Fine, I'm giving up on this. Have fun on bashing the mapper for making a "retarded map" instead of giving suggestions of making it better other than "stop doing retarded patterns and use spacing more in your map".
Low
I feel really bad for the mapper for having to watch an argument of the BAT/MAT unfold on his beatmap's thread.

..he just wants to get this ranked.
narakucrimson
I have asked these players to test the map so far:

  1. H1ko
  2. Jaffar
  3. Mafiamaster
  4. Salvage
  5. Z e o n
  6. Reisen Udongein
And they all agreed that it is overmapped, is hard to read, and doesn't look good (I wasn't expecting the last one).

So, there, I think we got something there :/

I also wanna mention that I only asked them for a test play, and they all said like "what? this is totally overmapped", so their opinion wasn't at all biased.
I have logs in case anybody needs them, and if more people needs to be asked, then so be it.

So can we start trying to make the map better now?
I offer myself to help nold if everybody is ok with me doing so.
ztrot
and mine was? it was only because I was so blunt I was attacked but crap happens.
narakucrimson
Just clearing stuff up, it's not about the previous opinions being biased or not, but the new ones not being biased for sure.
Mismagius
I'm fine with helping the mapper on remapping, I just wouldn't like to see stuff like "this crap is retarded, please remap this shit or it won't get ranked". I can also help nold with some techniques that look/play nice.
Reisen Udongein
'Crappy Difficulty' is not Fun to play.
Also, this map is not fit to song. (it's not High BPM song like Val's)
maybe this mapper made this map with his beat in his(or her) mind. ;P

the others are playable, but those streams are... just overmapped imo
JAKACHAN

Reisen Udongein wrote:

'Crappy Difficulty' is not Fun to play.
Also, this map is not fit to song. (it's not High BPM song like Val's)
maybe this mapper made this map with his beat in his(or her) mind. ;P

the others are playable, but those streams are... just overmapped imo
100% this.

The map itself does have flaws but if you put the same kind of mapping into a song that was similar to the bpm of the mapping itself and changed the spacing around a little bit the map could be good. But in the state its in right now on the map you have it beatmapped to it just doesn't work.

By all means don't stop mapping because you don't have a terrible basis for mapping you just need to take that basis and start reworking your spacing ideas and then put your beatmaps on the right speed of map.

Also work on some of the patterns a little bit. You can have hard patterns in your songs but you really need to make sure they aren't so ridiculous to the point where more experienced players can't even sight read them.
Reisen Udongein
I can show you guys at least 10 Poor Sight , Confusing Timings and patterns to Play. (In player's Position)

Here they are.14 13 pics

http://puu.sh/i8cC- Confusing Pattern

http://puu.sh/i8cO - ^

http://puu.sh/i8d3 - Crappy Jumps

http://puu.sh/i8de - Confusing Pattern

http://puu.sh/i8do - Confused to hit these notes in right timing

http://puu.sh/i8du - Confusing Pattern

http://puu.sh/i8dG - ^

http://puu.sh/i8dY - ^

http://puu.sh/i8es - ^

http://puu.sh/i8eM - ^

http://puu.sh/i8e7 - ^ , Confused to hit these notes in right timing

http://puu.sh/i8f0 - ^

http://puu.sh/i8f6 - ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Most of those were freakin hard to see when i was playing that map cuz of narakucrimson's request.

Do i have a Poor eyesight ? or is that map little weird?

Choice is your liberty

EDIT : I didn't mention about Streams, cuz they are obviously Ridiculous
KRZY
Modding after Reisen Udongein pointed this map out to me saying "lolol look KRZY MATs and BATs fighting with themselves in a map thread!" You all ought to be ashamed.

Tried to look at this map from a player's point of view. I will mostly point out what was difficult to read, entirely off standards in terms of difficulty, and/or wrong rhythm.

[Superable]

First off...
  • Currently, the map is mapped to a song with a BPM of 264. This should not be the case. The song's BPM is 132, and so should be the BPM of the map...

    ...which means that the SV must be fixed too. I suggest a value of somewhere between x1.8 and x2.5.

    Way too much overlaps. I understand that this is a stylistic issue and isn't something that would make the map unrankable or anything, but it has certainly been overused. Keep in mind that overlaps are actually difficult to read.

00:04:911 (2,3,4,5,1,2) - With this sort of speed and AR9, these kind of overlapping circles are immensely hard to read. I suggest you lay them out separately.
00:12:524 (1,2,3,4,1) - A repeating slider here works much better than a 5-note stack. You can't realistically expect players to be able to hit this pattern and move on to eight doublets at this sort of speed; I say this because I was not able to. Recall that BPM 264 is BPM 176 DTed.
00:15:706 (1,2,3,4) - Would play much better if this was a single repeating slider rather than four etna sliders.
00:30:025 (2,3,4,5) - ^
00:33:775 (2,3,4) - Not sure if this pattern needs to be in 1/4 (this would be 1/8 if the BPM was 132). The music certainly does not suggest so.
00:36:502 (2,3,4) - ^
00:45:479 ~ 00:58:206 - This part of the song should have a slower SV compared to the rest of the song. Currently, it has a faster SV.
00:46:161 (3,4,5,6,1) - Again, nowhere in the music does it suggest you should have 1/4 notes here. Starting a stream from under a slider after more than 1/2 beat is also undesirable.
00:48:774 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Another stream that is uncalled for. 1/2 notes fit much better.
00:53:661 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Spacing-wise, overdone. Pattern-wise, awful. This sort of pattern just does not fly at this BPM. 00:54:115 ~ 00:54:570 is a classic example of a part where you should have five 1/2 notes (the music screams for it!)
01:04:456 (3,4,5,6) - The slider (3) makes the notes 5, 6, and 7 extremely hard to read, especially as 3, 4, and 5 were 1/2s and 5, 6, 7 are 1/4s.
01:05:593 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Again, nowhere in the music does it suggest you should have 1/4s. Remove the notes and listen to the music again.
01:09:797 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Awkward 1/2 notes, needlessly large spacing. Better done with sliders.
01:12:866 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Same as 01:05:593 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8)
01:20:138 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - Missed this pattern every time until after three retries. Needless to say, the music does not call for it, and the pattern is quite overdone.
01:22:184 (2,3,4) - Try this 01:26:388 (5,6,7,8) - Try this 01:27:752 (2,3,4,5) - Same as 00:15:706 (1,2,3,4)
01:28:320 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Overdone. Listen to the music and you'll see this is a much better rhythm:
01:35:025 (3,4,1,2) - Not a good overlap, not undoable but hard to read
01:36:388 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:37:070 (1,2,3) - This time, not a good overlap with the previous set of pattern.
01:40:025 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Use of sliders much recommended at this sort of speed. The music isn't exactly a staccato either; I'd suggest something like this 01:41:388 (1) - Make this a slider that ends on 01:41:615
01:41:843 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Failed three times on this part. A cluster of notes that is virtually impossible to read at first sight, and a bad pattern too. Something like this might work:

If I were a BAT, I would have popped the bubble on this map too. This map is far from ready for being ranked. Haven't looked at the other difficulties due to time issues, but I hope the mapper takes heed of many good advices on this thread and understand that mapping and ranking a map is a collaborative process in which the whole community is involved.
Glass
LKs
my original discontentment from years ago to now is :"composers are to be blamed, created such kind of hard/deafening music."

the reasons those opponents posted here are just the mysterious fear obtained from the difficulty and the jealous or the thought of blocking the mapper from producting more.

naraku dealt with this quarrel pretty well and as a friend of nold, I'd llike to see how this will go.
Kite
You have superior mapping skills, but you should use it to fit the song you are mapping better and not aim for mad maps.
There are definately low bpm songs where you can make a crazy map out of, but this isn't one in my PoV
(The map itself looks very nice even though it hardly plays together with the song)
Topic Starter
Ulysses
Ahh...Fixed many suggestions.~
Welcome to mod this again~
Thanks all modders , BATs, MATs , players.
Thanks for your advices :33~

Also,don't forget "Rhythm is just a *click* away!"
Not " Vocal is just a *click* away!"
Or "Sound is just a *click* away!"

XP~Just kidding~
Jenny
this .osu changes:

- few changes at beginning (e.g. changing like 3 reverse-arrows to make it flow & fit the hitsounds better)
- replaced 1/16's with 2 kicksliders each, 264-streams are pain in the arse, didn't you notice it yet?
- some slight slidershaping (*nazinazinazinazinazi*)
- kiai-fontains (which are my personal preferance, but that's your choice)
- slight downscaling at few 1/4s (you won't even notice, even though it plays better) + placement-change on those (flows better now imo, even though you won't notice it that hard)
- minor volume-change on end note

i highly recommend applying these things, since they make gameplay alot more enjoayble without changing the map much - my opinion.

Download: Hatsune Miku - Baby Maniacs (Short ver.) (nold_1702) [Superable_jenny].osu
Topic Starter
Ulysses

Jenny wrote:

this .osu changes:

- few changes at beginning (e.g. changing like 3 reverse-arrows to make it flow & fit the hitsounds better)
- replaced 1/16's with 2 kicksliders each, 264-streams are pain in the arse, didn't you notice it yet?
- some slight slidershaping (*nazinazinazinazinazi*)
- kiai-fontains (which are my personal preferance, but that's your choice)
- slight downscaling at few 1/4s (you won't even notice, even though it plays better) + placement-change on those (flows better now imo, even though you won't notice it that hard)
- minor volume-change on end note

i highly recommend applying these things, since they make gameplay alot more enjoayble without changing the map much - my opinion.

[attachment=0:a5aeb]Hatsune Miku - Baby Maniacs (Short ver.) (nold_1702) [Superable_jenny].osu[/attachment:a5aeb]
Yo man,fixed most of them but not 1/16 hold sliders orz.
Other fixed!

It's better now~
Topic Starter
Ulysses










I think it's no need to worry the diffcult of [Superable] now?
ertyukjh010
snowwhite.exe :)
Jenny
errrr nold, keep in mind: SnowWhite is by far one of the best players on osu and there's no FC even after many plays - i don't mind that fact but it tells the diff is hard as a fuck
terametis
hi~

[ERT Peaceable]
Looks good for me.

[TuNormal]
00:12:070 (5) (nazi) I feel,more of a good symmetry.00:35:479 (4) add clap
00:58:206 (x) add note
01:23:661 (4) (nazi)1 grid right?
01:43:661 (x) Try to same design with Alamable.(add 1 reverse,NC2 sound 20%,clap

[Alarmable]
00:45:252 (x) There is no sound of the drums,but I think should add a note here.
00:54:002 (4) Slider start 00:54:002 01:19:797 (4) Add clap?

[Superable]
Is a completely different version than the first version.lol
I think it becomes enjoy for many players. but I like the first version about the same lol
I can't say anything.awesome map.

01:43:661 (1) suggestion.I want a note with color at the end.
I wish your map is Ranked~~~~~~
bye :)
Topic Starter
Ulysses

terametis wrote:

hi~

[ERT Peaceable]
Looks good for me.

[TuNormal]
00:12:070 (5) (nazi) I feel,more of a good symmetry.00:35:479 (4) add clap
00:58:206 (x) add note
01:23:661 (4) (nazi)1 grid right?
01:43:661 (x) Try to same design with Alamable.(add 1 reverse,NC2 sound 20%,clap

[Alarmable]
00:45:252 (x) There is no sound of the drums,but I think should add a note here. :arrow: good!
00:54:002 (4) Slider start 00:54:002 :arrow: Done
01:19:797 (4) Add clap? :arrow: Done

[Superable]
Is a completely different version than the first version.lol
I think it becomes enjoy for many players. but I like the first version about the same lol :arrow: :<
I can't say anything.awesome map.

01:43:661 (1) suggestion.I want a note with color at the end. :arrow: Done!

I wish your map is Ranked~~~~~~
bye :)

Yeah!Useful modding :33
Topic Starter
Ulysses
safawu
来了:3

[ERT Peaceable]
00:38:661 (2) - NC放这儿呢?
01:14:570 (1) - slider没拉好?
01:29:570 (1) - 去NC

[TuNormal]
没啥问题

[Alarmable]
00:37:979 (2) - 这个slider一次感觉就行了
00:40:025 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 见图,这里弄三个slider感觉不和节奏,2*2感觉和谐点


[Superable]
哎呦这个太难了...超出能力范围了= =||
00:12:752 (1) - 这里能和前面那个slider稍微分开下么,前面那个slider抽动可能会看不清这个note
01:22:297 (3) - slider右边高了
01:40:025 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - 摆的稍微整齐点?见图

really nice & 鬼畜 map ,good luck & star~

ertyukjh010
Jenny
Download: Hatsune Miku - Baby Maniacs (Short ver.) (nold_1702) [Jenny's Achievable].osu

so there's your requested diff! - hope you like it
*late* Offset 35 seems to work better (well, from what I've seen now and what people told me), change on all difficulties (including mine and onos - would you mind doing all the sections aswell? i'm lazy~)

to all those BPM-bitchers out there: this is 264 bpm, gtfo :<
OnosakiHito
Requested Taiko diff. finished.
Hope you like it!

Normaly I prefer [Ono's Taiko Oni], but since Nold has wanted a custom name... well, at least it is visible what this should be like. So I make an exeption.

Please add my name's into the TAG's and delete the SB in the taiko diff. please.



Download: Hatsune Miku - Baby Maniacs (Short ver.) (nold_1702) [Ono's Taiko Onible].osu
KRZY
Looks much better! Glad you took in most of my suggestions, in my eyes this is still far from being a great map but at least it is much more sensible than what it used to be. Good luck!
Jenny
Download: Hatsune Miku - Baby Maniacs (Short ver.) (nold_1702) [Jenny's Achievable].osu

well... here's your... um... "easier" version with hitsounds - no need for changing stacks or spacing when CS4 + AR8 imo but lets see what people tell
Topic Starter
Ulysses
Updated
ertyukjh010


ERT Peaceable

神作,無話可說

TuNormal

很好

Alarmable

AR+1 OD+1
00:46:057 (4) - 向左移動1格(Grid Lv4);因為是這部份唯一一個用0.55x的距離(要麼就將00:46:966(3)換成0.55x)
01:35:944 (5,6,7,8,1) - 在(5)開始NC,不過太概您都不會改這個:3

Jenny's Achievable

00:36:171 (7) - 如果這個難度沒有這種重疊的話,應該會好玩很多
01:00:603 (3) - 跟(4)之間的距離有點遠
01:43:216 (1~5) - 這並不是原整的正5邊形,看看能不能再修好一點 EX: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/253093
01:02:194 (4) - 這個不論怎樣看都好難看,放棄吧= =

That all :)
Topic Starter
Ulysses
Jenny's Achievable

00:36:171 (7) - 如果這個難度沒有這種重疊的話,應該會好玩很多
01:00:603 (3) - 跟(4)之間的距離有點遠
01:43:216 (1~5) - 這並不是原整的正5邊形,看看能不能再修好一點 EX: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/253093

That all :)
01:02:194 (4) - 這個不論怎樣看都好難看,放棄吧= =
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Translat

00:36:121 (7) - If this diffculty has no this type of stack/overlap,it will be more fun.
01:00:603 (3) - It's far from (4).
01:43:216 (1~5) - it's not a consistant pentagon.Fix it ? For example, http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/253093

That's all :>
P.S.
01:02:194 (4) - It's ugly,give up it.
Jenny
changed the "ugly" slider, adjusted some stuff slighty, but i'll keep the stacks as they don't play wrong imo

Download: Hatsune Miku - Baby Maniacs (Short ver.) (nold_1702) [Jenny's Achievable].osu
Elly-chan
Shouldn't 'ver.' on the map's title be capitalized..?
Jenny
please re/full-submit after changing filenames in all datas, right now it's bugged~
Elly-chan
you're welcome..? also yes, full-submit
ouranhshc
ummmmmm, in its current state. I don't see it being bubbled or ranked soon.

My favorite diff is Alarmable. If you wanted to , yo ucould remove Jenny's Diff and Superable and keep them in a SAFE PLACE, and make Alarmable the hardest diff by making the OD7 HP7 and AR8
Sun Rainbow
Nold做下去啊!不要输给他让他看看第一个的厉害!
OnosakiHito
Hm... in the Taiko diff were some unsnapped sections.
Also there was a barline problem and an issue in the end of the kiai-time.

Fixed everything.

Download: Hatsune Miku - Baby Maniacs (Short Ver.) (nold_1702) [Ono's Taiko Onible].osu
winber1
why is the OD and HP so damn high on superable.

:(
Shiro
Locked on request. RIP.
wmfchris
Unlocked upon request.
[CSGA]Ar3sgice
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OnosakiHito
Wow, it's back!
Foreverends
no....
plz dont....
fc大壓力(冇人叫你fc
Regou
Yeah one of my favourite's back
Jenny
Foreverends

Jenny wrote:

legend go - 8441able?

(I saved Superable for you, let's get this through)
Jenny is the best!!!
Jenny
this day was to come and someone has to save up the good things, don't they? ;P
IamKwaN
仲5比我睇曬成個post! :D
Kiiwa
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