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Topic Starter
Sir Minelli
Just crossed my mind.

Why not have a "Modder of the month" ...achievement maybe? Or even better... A medal that would go to your profile.
(Medal + Achievement :D)

I guess that this could incentive modders to mod more, get better etc.


You could even go further and make a "Player of the month" achievement / medal.

"Mapper of the month"
"GMT of the month"
"BAT of the month"


Say you earned the medal more than once, if so, you will see a number under it which represents the number of medals you have earned. (The achievement will remain the same)

Thanks.

EDIT: yeah i forgot to say how would this be determined. And well, the same way that BATS / Peppy and the rest of the team determines who is a good option for being a BAT / GMT i guess.

I will leave that decision for the osu! team. I'm not really sure on how to determine it.
If you guys can come up with any ideas on how to do so, then i'm all ears eyes.
WyndII
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Mystearica
I think your idea has merit but it needs some fine-tuning.

Mapper/modder of the month would be very hard to determine and there is already the BAT ranking so you'd have to come up with some ways to measure this kind of stuff.
Gemi
Stuff like this has been suggested before and shot down, because often things like this only promote negative behavior (abusing the system that ranks people and then jealousy from others, fracturing the community). I don't remember right now where the best discussions on this were, but could've been in the mod area in which case I can't post you a link to it.
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli

Gemi wrote:

Stuff like this has been suggested before and shot down, because often things like this only promote negative behavior (abusing the system that ranks people and then jealousy from others, fracturing the community). I don't remember right now where the best discussions on this were, but could've been in the mod area in which case I can't post you a link to it.
If it affects the community well then i guess it shouldn't be approved.

Oh and Gemi, i loled at your sig. :P
minyeob
Mapper ranking-> Impossible.
BAT of the month-> Maybe peppy can add "Last 30 days" instead of "Last 7 days" on BAT ranking. Or adding "Last 30 days" is fine, too.
Modder of the month-> Lastest earned kudosu for 30 days might be a requirement.
Gemi

Sir Minelli wrote:

Oh and Gemi, i loled at your sig. :P
;)
Derekku
Incentives might actually work... (through an achievement or subscription or something) Pending Beatmaps could always use more help from the community :T
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli

Gemi wrote:

Stuff like this has been suggested before and shot down, because often things like this only promote negative behavior (abusing the system that ranks people and then jealousy from others, fracturing the community).

Well Gemi the jealousy might apply maybe for other topics / ideas, but what is wrong with working really hard on helping the community, and getting some merit?

I mean, i wouldn't feel jealous of someone who actually got to be the Modder of the month.

Actually i would feel REALLY proud of him.
Gemi

Sir Minelli wrote:

I mean, i wouldn't feel jealous of someone who actually got to be the Modder of the month.

Actually i would feel REALLY proud of him.
In a perfect world everyone would. In this world however, not so much. People (not everyone, but quite a few anyway) tend to get jealous whenever someone else gets something (stuff, recognition, etc) that they don't, even if they wouldn't deserve it themselves. In this case the people to get jealous would most likely be those who also do a lot of modding, but lose in the ranking to the guy who then gets the "modder of the month" award. As peppy has said earlier concerning the achievements, rewards need to be something that everyone can get, not just a limited selection of people. So instead of a "modder of the month" award given to one person, we could have a badge that is given to everyone who gets past a certain benchmark. This system still doesn't remove the abuse possibility, but with an intelligent ranking method abusing the system could be made quite hard.
anonymous_old

Gemi wrote:

As peppy has said earlier concerning the achievements, rewards need to be something that everyone can get, not just a limited selection of people. So instead of a "modder of the month" award given to one person, we could have a badge that is given to everyone who gets past a certain benchmark.
I have to disagree here.

The "modder of the month" would be a badge, like the badges for the tag tourney winners.

I'm on the people-will-get-jealous boat.
0_o
I got jealous the the tag winners even though I wasn't in the competition, I already have a subscription to osu!, and I wouldn't have had a chance anyway. So yeah :P

A kudosu achievement would be cool though.
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli
Same thing happens with a certain job.

People get the worker of the month, and the other ones get jealous.

But after all, there was a good reason for him to be chosen, and the rest should effort themselves even more for obtaining that particular "badge"

I find the argument of "Jealousy" pretty stupid.

I would totally agree with this feature EVEN if i knew i would feel a bit jealous about another player / BAT / modder getting the badge instead of myself. But guess what, i would work harder next time to see if i obtain it.

I believe that everyone should do the same, and if they do not want to work harder, then well, there is no reason to be jealous after all.

NOW...if you guys feel that the jealousy will reach maybe HIGHER LVLS such as "I WANT TO BE A BAT, WHY DID HE GET CHOSEN AND I DIDN'T"

Then FUCK NO.

If the community is THAT STUPID, then i guess this wouldn't work.

This feature would work for NON IMMATURE PEOPLE.

So yeah....
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Topic Starter
Sir Minelli
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Azure_Kite

Sir Minelli wrote:

I'm not really sure on how to determine it.
If you guys can come up with any ideas on how to do so, then i'm all ears eyes.
I would imagine one solution would be to grab to top 10/20 kudosu earners each month and get a select group of judges to check a portion of their recent mod posts in order to help guage how much work they've put into modding over the month. The judges would vote independently of one another and the person with the highest number of votes gets the medal. If more than one person has the same number of votes, the vote is conducted again between the people with the same number of votes.

Of course, this method would be subjective, and there would inevitably be people who get jealous over not being chosen over another person, but at the end of the day that's just more motivation to try harder next month, right?
Lissette
I like the idea of modder of the month for incentivate ppl to mod

Azure_Kyte wrote:

Sir Minelli wrote:

I'm not really sure on how to determine it.
If you guys can come up with any ideas on how to do so, then i'm all ears eyes.
I would imagine one solution would be to grab to top 10/20 kudosu earners each month and get a select group of judges to check a portion of their recent mod posts in order to help guage how much work they've put into modding over the month. The judges would vote independently of one another and the person with the highest number of votes gets the medal. If more than one person has the same number of votes, the vote is conducted again between the people with the same number of votes.

Of course, this method would be subjective, and there would inevitably be people who get jealous over not being chosen over another person, but at the end of the day that's just more motivation to try harder next month, right?
I think your idea is good but this method is hard to do, I mean there are problems with all the maps that aren't modded, 'cuz there are too much, and you'are suggesting that ppl mod the modderations.... i think that would be a mayor problem, that's my opinion....

One solution to do this would be making a kudosu ranking per month, the rank #1 of the month recive the badge or whatever the price is.... I know this way would be a ranking of who has more kudosu per month and not who makes better moderations, but this can be an incentive as well and is the easier way that i found....
WyndII

Lissette wrote:

I like the idea of modder of the month for incentivate ppl to mod

Azure_Kyte wrote:

I would imagine one solution would be to grab to top 10/20 kudosu earners each month and get a select group of judges to check a portion of their recent mod posts in order to help guage how much work they've put into modding over the month. The judges would vote independently of one another and the person with the highest number of votes gets the medal. If more than one person has the same number of votes, the vote is conducted again between the people with the same number of votes.

Of course, this method would be subjective, and there would inevitably be people who get jealous over not being chosen over another person, but at the end of the day that's just more motivation to try harder next month, right?
I think your idea is good but this method is hard to do, I mean there are problems with all the maps that aren't modded, 'cuz there are too much, and you'are suggesting that ppl mod the modderations.... i think that would be a mayor problem, that's my opinion....

One solution to do this would be making a kudosu ranking per month, the rank #1 of the month recive the badge or whatever the price is.... I know this way would be a ranking of who has more kudosu per month and not who makes better moderations, but this can be an incentive as well and is the easier way that i found....
You mean, every month kudos counter is reset? of course total kudos earned should be in profy ;)
If kudos counter is not reset then our every modder of the month is SFG ftw <,<... :|
Ephemeral
More motivation to try harder? Yeah, right. All this is going to do is cause conflict for absolutely no ulterior gain whatsoever.

People are going to mod for the achievement rather than modding because they actually care about the quality of the maps people play. That being said, people mod for the kudosu more than anything else anyway so consider that entire point moot.

People know who the good modders are for specific things anyway. They gain acclaim through their own accord - they don't need achievements that nobody will ever look at to do it for them.
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli
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Lizbeth
i have an idea for determinate the modder of the month, i dont know if is good enough, but you guys can tell.

How about that each Mod Post after you give the Kudos, enable another option to vote for the modder of the month, something like: Give vote to modder of the month. Obviously once you voted, that option wouldn't appear anymore in the current month so this will be one vote per user. the bad thing is you will have to wait until the month is almost over to decide who you wanna give your vote.

Or another idea will be, an option, also enable after giving kudos, to Rate each moderations ( maybe 1-5 ). The user with higher rate will earn the badge.
Also the rate should be secret to prevent any troubles between users.

i think second option is the best, but i posted both to see which one you like the most.

cya!
Gens

Lizbeth wrote:

Or another idea will be, an option, also enable after giving kudos, to Rate each moderations ( maybe 1-5 ). The user with higher rate will earn the badge.
Also the rate should be secret to prevent any troubles between users.
Sounds interesting... but people will start rating low just because they hate the mod/modder, or just because they're retards. Maybe make it so only BATs can give ratings? Might add more pressure to his job (as BAT) though.

I agree this would be nice. I'd like to have a custom badge in my profile. :P
Ekaru
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Lizbeth

Gens wrote:

Sounds interesting... but people will start rating low just because they hate the mod/modder, or just because they're retards. Maybe make it so only BATs can give ratings? Might add more pressure to his job (as BAT) though.

I agree this would be nice. I'd like to have a custom badge in my profile. :P
if only BAT can rate the moderation, they will have to check the map to see if the moderation is good or not, and i think thats not really effective. But i guess you're right about that some ppl wont rate properly..
Sleep Powder
In case this hasn't been mentioned...

Kudosu Ranking of the Month?


If not I support it ether way.
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli

animask wrote:

In case this hasn't been mentioned...

Kudosu Ranking of the Month?


If not I support it ether way.
No, and you shouldn't support it at all.

Also, I would like an answer here from any osu! Team member, otherwise the next thing I will be reading here might be something related to dinosaurs.

Thanks.
Mystearica
I'm still kind of unchanged in opinion after reading the above wall of text.

I think adding some of the suggestions above would add even more potential abuse into your idea though. If anything the original idea from what I understand is just a BAT ranking for regulars instead, and well that has its ups and downs. Right now the downs are of more concern to me, if you'd like to know what downs I'm specifically referring to, just message me on irc.
abalee
new combo here(also earn 1~2 KDs) x 65535

is it really help mappers to find the modders :?

but this idea is fine, IMO...
Jarby

abalee wrote:

new combo here(also earn 1~2 KDs) x 65535

is it really help mappers to find the modders :?
It's not the modder's fault if your combo markers are shit.
Pasonia
Modder of the month? Sounds like a great idea.

But BAT/GMT... uhh... I don't know. Quarterly or even bi-annually for BAT, since there's so little to choose from.
peppy
Well this is really going to happen only if someone takes the initiative of judging and arranging things (just like any other tournament etc.). Even if it is just kudosu! based, we still need someone to take control here. Hint: it won't be me.
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli

peppy wrote:

Well this is really going to happen only if someone takes the initiative of judging and arranging things (just like any other tournament etc.). Even if it is just kudosu! based, we still need someone to take control here. Hint: it won't be me.
Oh god, I would gladly help.

I'm personally against Slacky and lame mods. WILL help by reading / checking the modders posts.

Of course I doubt this will be a one's man job.

Also peppy... If by "someone" you refer to 1+ of the osu! team crew (BATS / GMTS) then I guess I'm out eh.

If not, let me know.
Azure_Kite

Sir Minelli wrote:

Also peppy... If by "someone" you refer to 1+ of the osu! team crew (BATS / GMTS) then I guess I'm out eh.

If not, let me know.
If not, I'd be happy to help out as well.
peppy
Tell me what you need and I will provide. Understand you are in charge of this. I'm not going to put stuff together and tell you what to do.
Azure_Kite
It seems peppy is willing to let us try and operate this Modder of the Month idea. Awesome :D

However so far there seem to be a couple of things that would need organising in order to get this up and running. So far from my understanding we still need to organise:

  1. The system and how it will work
  2. The moderation of the system (peppy seems willing to let us do this, however I'm sure we'd need more than two people to moderate something like this fairly.
as far as the sytem's operation goes, there are a number of possibilities that have been provided. Maybe we can find a way to pick apart the best parts of each proposition and make it into a system that could work.

Azure_Kyte wrote:

I would imagine one solution would be to grab to top 10/20 kudosu earners each month and get a select group of judges to check a portion of their recent mod posts in order to help guage how much work they've put into modding over the month. The judges would vote independently of one another and the person with the highest number of votes gets the medal. If more than one person has the same number of votes, the vote is conducted again between the people with the same number of votes.
This proposed system is currently based on 'he who mods most gets the award'. I think it could be set up so a certain number of people are selected from each section of a top 50 monthly kudosu chart. say there can be 20 nominations, all 10 from top 10, 5 from 11-25, one nomination from every 5 ranking positions after that?

Lizbeth wrote:

An idea will be, an option, also enable after giving kudos, to Rate each moderations ( maybe 1-5 ). The user with higher rate will earn the badge.
Also the rate should be secret to prevent any troubles between users.
It has been said that allowing the mapper to vote for mod quality can be easily manipulated based on a mapper's personal like/dislike of the modder, and I have no real suggestions as to how to combat this.

Lizbeth wrote:

How about that each Mod Post after you give the Kudos, enable another option to vote for the modder of the month, something like: Give vote to modder of the month. Obviously once you voted, that option wouldn't appear anymore in the current month so this will be one vote per user. the bad thing is you will have to wait until the month is almost over to decide who you wanna give your vote.
Personally I see merit in this. coupled with parts from the suggestions above, I believe this would be a good system to get started with.


from these, I've come up with a possible proposition as to how this will work. Taking parts from these suggestions, I propose this system:

a week before the end of the month, A group of 20 people are selected from the top 50 montly kudosu earners. the top 10 are automatically nominated, and a number of other people are selected from the top 25, 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50 modders. The people in the lower tiers are selected with more randomization than the higher tiered nominees.

These nominees are then put to the public. A possible method for this is that when a mapper updates their map, the nominees who have posted mods on their map's thread are listed (possibly along with links to the mod post?) and the mapper rates them from a number proportional to the number of nominees who posted in the thread (say 5 people posted, the mapper assigns the most valuable mod post a score of 5, and then numbers them according to mod worth, 1 being least helpful, 5 being most helpful). From now on I'll refer to these points as Modder Points

Alongside this, I propose that people viewing the pending/WiP threads can support a nomination. If a person views a mod post by a nominee that is in depth and evidence suggests the nominee took a lot of effort in modding the map, they can assign them a number of Modder Points proportional to the position of that player.

I propose that Regular modders/mappers/users with NO ranked maps can award between 1 and 2 Modder Points when they support a nomination. Users with at least one Ranked map can award between 1 and 3 Modder Points, since they should have some experience with how the modding process goes. Prior Modder of the Months can award between 1 and 5 Modder Points and BAT's can assign between 1 and 10 Modder Points. Note that obviously a person can support a nominee only once per post.

on the second last day of the month these ratings are closed and the value of these mods/supports are tallied up. The judging party then selects the top 10 based on their Modder Points and from then the best nominee's mods in the last month are checked by the judges. The judges then decide the top 3? modders, and decide on the modder of the month by majority vote.

The Modder of the Month could get a custom forum title and a shiny badge on their profile, which I think should be stackable if they have recieved a Modder of the Month before, and depending on whether they are a subscriber or not, possibly a free week of osu direct?.

There may be errors or possible catches to this proposed solution, so I'm posting it here for possible suggestions/improvements.
alvisto
Summary of Azure_Kyte's idea :

An example ( Let's take November as an examaple )

1. For the whole November, modders mod and post their mods. Kudosu are given (as usual) by the mapper.

2. At the last day of November, nominess for the "Mooder of the month" will be selected based on how many kudosu they earned during the whole November. Azure's proposed nominees selection process is as below :

TOP 10 kudosu earners are automatically being put into the nominee list, thus 10 nominess here.
5 nominees will be chosen from 11th most-kudosu-earner to 25th.
1 nominee will be chosen from 26th to 30th
1 nominee will be chosen from 31th to 35th
1 nominee will be chosen from 36th to 40th
1 nominee will be chosen from 41th to 45th
and the last nominee will be chosen from 46th to 50th.

Thus, a total of 20 nominees will be chosen by this way.

3. After the nominees are selected, the list of nominees will be made public, and voting will take place for 1 week after nominees have been announced. How do you vote ? You vote by giving modding points. And the modder points that a user can give to each nominee's post are listed below :

Regular users/players = Able to give 1-2 modder points.
Regular users with at least 1 ranked map = Able to give 1-3 modder points.
BATs = Able to give 1-10 modder points.
Prior Modder of the month award winner = Able to give 1-5 modder points.
Mapper that received mods from the nominees = Able to give modder points based on how many nominees mod his/her map. ( For example, mapper A receives mod from nominee B, C and D, thus the mapper have the ability to give 1-3 modder points )

Clarification : Modder points are given to each nominee's post, not each nominee. Meaning a voter can give 2 modder points to nominee A's useful 1st post, give 1 modder point to nominee A's another not so useful post, and refuse to give any point to nominee A's useless 3rd post.

4. After 1 week of voting, modding points will be tallied. TOP 10 modding points earner will be chosen and enter the final judging stage, In this final judging stage, top 10 modder's post will be viewed and the judges can choose their top 3 modder based on consensus. Then from the top 3, modder of the month will be chosen based on majority vote. And, voila, the winner is born. *orz*

5. Winner will have a shiny badge under their profile and maybe 1 week free of osu direct ? These are Azure's suggestions. What I suggest is, the modder of the month can have the power of semi-BAT for maybe 1-2 weeks where he/she can bubble maps but can't rank it ? And I believe modder of the month should has the ability to determine whether a map is bubble-deserving or not.

xD
Wojjan
I had this discussion in my religion class today. If you give only to get, it's not really giving, and it might come over like smothering. Give to give, not to take, or things might end up bad.
Topic Starter
Sir Minelli
I will be posting tonight all you need to know about how will this feature work.

Thanks for all of your opinions ideas.
Ekaru
I'd rather have it like this, to keep it simple and fair (everyone should have the same value, and they should just be the nominators):

At the first week of a month, we have a form. We have it where people submit one person's name as a modder from the previous month. If they submit their own name we'll just ban them. BTW, this would be non-BAT only. All active BATs would automatically be nominated, because otherwise lots of people would just vote for a BAT who ranked/bubbled one of their maps.

We then take the people from that form, and look at everyone from a certain threshold. This would narrow it down to 5 to 10 people + active BATs. We then look through their posts, and on a private forum, discuss it.

Though I'd rather it be ModderS of the Month. 3 people, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, all with the same badge (or different if ya want). It would just be better to me.

No need to make it complex. Giving different people different values for voting would be unfair, and per modding post would be ridiculous; that would be quantity over quality. :P Same reason not to do it by kudosu; it would be quantity over quality.
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