Compared to osu!-mania, osu!-standard sliders are too easy, you can get 300s even if you hit bad timing (get 50s on single notes) on the start and the release notes. This is a rhythm game, and more points should be given to more accurate people.
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osu! standard: Sliders are too easy to get 300s
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Are osu! standard sliders too easy to get 300s?
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I wouldn't say sliders in Talent Shredder are easy 300s
Also in mania you have a clear visual of when the slider ends, whereas in standard there's a lot maps that use sliders that would take a few retries to time
Also in mania you have a clear visual of when the slider ends, whereas in standard there's a lot maps that use sliders that would take a few retries to time
I don't get your sight about this. lol
This would be the same if you say that you don't have 100% in Taiko, because you missed one Point at the yellow Sliders. (idk how they are exactlly called)
This would be the same if you say that you don't have 100% in Taiko, because you missed one Point at the yellow Sliders. (idk how they are exactlly called)
They are drumrolls.Stefan wrote:
I don't get your sight about this. lol
This would be the same if you say that you don't have 100% in Taiko, because you missed one Point at the yellow Sliders. (idk how they are exactlly called)
And no, the scoring system with sliders is fine, plus, modifying it at this point will break loads of replays and scores.
^ This, basically.Ijah wrote:
They are drumrolls.Stefan wrote:
I don't get your sight about this. lol
This would be the same if you say that you don't have 100% in Taiko, because you missed one Point at the yellow Sliders. (idk how they are exactlly called)
And no, the scoring system with sliders is fine, plus, modifying it at this point will break loads of replays and scores.
Like, imagine osu! sliders suddenly became osu!stream sliders. 90% of the world will hate your guts and want to kill you. It just wouldn't be right.
The reason why osu!mania sliders are different is for consistency with DJMax or IIDX or whatever the heck it's based off of.
osu! is osu!
end of story. The game was made like that.
But, just to expand on the topic, because of the way sliders are played, it offers a very interesting and fun way to use them in mapping. This sort of way of using sliders is a really unique thing to osu!
end of story. The game was made like that.
But, just to expand on the topic, because of the way sliders are played, it offers a very interesting and fun way to use them in mapping. This sort of way of using sliders is a really unique thing to osu!
Wanting something to be harder is one game mode because it's harder in another game mode.
Logic.
Logic.
Tom69_old
buny wrote:
I wouldn't say sliders in Talent Shredder are easy 300s
Also in mania you have a clear visual of when the slider ends, whereas in standard there's a lot maps that use sliders that would take a few retries to time
Sliders are easy but I don't have a problem with it.
you got meJAKANYAN wrote:
buny wrote:
I wouldn't say sliders in Talent Shredder are easy 300s
Also in mania you have a clear visual of when the slider ends, whereas in standard there's a lot maps that use sliders that would take a few retries to time
Sliders are easy but I don't have a problem with it.
Once you really get used to them even things like Big Black start to feel like nothing. I had a few runs where I failed near the end (Not the slider parts) where I had a top 20-30 ranking and I haven't even played it that much.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/58520 free 300s on sliders
although it's true that getting 300s on sliders is twice easier than on circles, part of the reason for this is not just their more lenient OD but also that the mapping habits in osu map sliders in "half speed" compared to circles. if sliders are mapped at the same tempo ticks as circles they're hard >;,;<
it's also a trend in maps today to have an sv lower than ds, which makes sliders easier as well. if the sv in a map is higher than the ds on it you might find yourself getting a few 100s on slider ends at first
although it's true that getting 300s on sliders is twice easier than on circles, part of the reason for this is not just their more lenient OD but also that the mapping habits in osu map sliders in "half speed" compared to circles. if sliders are mapped at the same tempo ticks as circles they're hard >;,;<
it's also a trend in maps today to have an sv lower than ds, which makes sliders easier as well. if the sv in a map is higher than the ds on it you might find yourself getting a few 100s on slider ends at first
osu!stream has stricter judgement on sliders. Bringing it back to osu! would be unfair since it would make older plays easier than newer ones.
There are too many beginner players to consider any part of osu too easy. I would be against changing the sliders, as I find slider filled maps very enjoyable. I appreciate the extra leeway they provide.
Besides less 300s equate to less fun to some people. I don't really find any enjoyment to playing Mania, because of the awkward feeling the game has and the increased demand on difficulty applied to such an awkward control scheme. It's like taiko only far worse.
Besides less 300s equate to less fun to some people. I don't really find any enjoyment to playing Mania, because of the awkward feeling the game has and the increased demand on difficulty applied to such an awkward control scheme. It's like taiko only far worse.
I still find them way to forgiving in terms of timing other than that I have no problem with the ring or amount of time it give you if you slip out a bit but the starting note the hit bulk of the slider head should be as strict as a hitcircle imo.
And yet osz2 doesn't allow for deleting backgroundsmm201 wrote:
osu!stream has stricter judgement on sliders. Bringing it back to osu! would be unfair since it would make older plays easier than newer ones.
#totallyrelevant
and yet people still think black bg helps more than 90% dim. Honestly, there isn't a difference. The only annoying thing is playing the song through once to be able to remove skin, lower dim more, etc.Kyou-kun wrote:
And yet osz2 doesn't allow for deleting backgroundsmm201 wrote:
osu!stream has stricter judgement on sliders. Bringing it back to osu! would be unfair since it would make older plays easier than newer ones.
#totallyrelevant
What do backgrounds have to do with this? They're an integral part of the map's presentation and not everybody chooses to remove them--not to mention that one isn't really supposed to remove them. Making sliders more strict for everybody would mean that new plays would score lower than old ones across the board. That sounds like an unfair imposition to me.
I like dim as it is, but I do have to admit some backgrounds are really too obnoxious even at 90% dim. They tend to be the bright ones with white backgrounds and such. Not as much of a difference as people like to shout about, but definitely a harder contrast for the eyes to read.winber1 wrote:
and yet people still think black bg helps more than 90% dim. Honestly, there isn't a difference. The only annoying thing is playing the song through once to be able to remove skin, lower dim more, etc.
Of course, not all maps are like this. I usually don't have problems with 90% dim, but some maps I just get an itching to change the background.
Take in mind that it is preference.winber1 wrote:
and yet people still think black bg helps more than 90% dim. Honestly, there isn't a difference. The only annoying thing is playing the song through once to be able to remove skin, lower dim more, etc.Kyou-kun wrote:
And yet osz2 doesn't allow for deleting backgrounds
#totallyrelevant
No matter how you spin it, not giving future players an option that past players had to get good scores is unfair.
QFTKyou-kun wrote:
No matter how you spin it, not giving future players an option that past players had to get good scores is unfair.
I can't disagree with you much longer if you keep saying smart stuff
damn it
Slider 300s are too easy to get, yes. If I had the change to change them, they would be timing-dependent, as they are in osu!stream.
I wouldn't mind seeing it calculated on how accurately you follow the slider within its follow circle.
Get enough new implementations to constitute a legitimate mass score reset
Get enough new implementations to constitute a legitimate mass score reset
what's the meaning of the title... i don't get that..
More like, if each slidertick was interpreted like a circle (accuracy-window-wise), since that's how you actually need to play them.RBRat3 wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing it calculated on how accurately you follow the slider within its follow circle.
Too many people like the game like this, and this may make the game harder and make a mass "bad new feature" rage quit (Making slider like that = getting 50/100 & combo break on each sliders = rage quit)
And in the DS games sliders are like that so why change ?
I think the game is already hard to play so I don't get the point of people who whant to make it harder. Or maybe add a new mode which make sliders like this for a little score multiplier like 1.06x so guys who like may use it, and guys who don't like don't use it and all people is happy.
And in the DS games sliders are like that so why change ?
I think the game is already hard to play so I don't get the point of people who whant to make it harder. Or maybe add a new mode which make sliders like this for a little score multiplier like 1.06x so guys who like may use it, and guys who don't like don't use it and all people is happy.
Problem is not in the hardness but in already set scores, what you recommend to do with them? remove?...Arnold0 wrote:
Too many people like the game like this, and this may make the game harder and make a mass "bad new feature" rage quit (Making slider like that = getting 50/100 & combo break on each sliders = rage quit)
And in the DS games sliders are like that so why change ?
I think the game is already hard to play so I don't get the point of people who whant to make it harder. Or maybe add a new mode which make sliders like this for a little score multiplier like 1.06x so guys who like may use it, and guys who don't like don't use it and all people is happy.
Make osu seasons (for ranking. like every single other game with online rankings has) >.>
and then you can apply new game-changing features for new seasons that would have new, reset, scoreboards of their own, while old season scoreboards stay available for viewing for legacy.
and then you can apply new game-changing features for new seasons that would have new, reset, scoreboards of their own, while old season scoreboards stay available for viewing for legacy.
Lets not get into osu! seasons again. It's not worth changing the game drastically to make slider's harder to hit. IMO there's no really important reason to even change how osu standard plays at all. The sliders weren't considered broken a year ago, why should we call them broken today. IMO slider's being more lenient was intended behaviour and many maps were created based on this behaviour and it's not worth the effort to create separate environments for older maps just so a change in intended behaviour can take place.
Give me one good reason why sliders are a problem currently.
Give me one good reason why sliders are a problem currently.
"Seasons" are already implemented in the form of decaying PP.
wouldn't that make replays either expire or extremely complicated and bulkyAqo wrote:
Make osu seasons (for ranking. like every single other game with online rankings has) >.>
and then you can apply new game-changing features for new seasons that would have new, reset, scoreboards of their own, while old season scoreboards stay available for viewing for legacy.
just add a header/flag var for patch version inside the replay file, the same way many constantly-updating games today do for replays; for example Starcraft 2.awp wrote:
wouldn't that make replays either expire or extremely complicated and bulky
The game would retain code to open replays for every patch version the game had; upon opening a replay, it would check the header indicating which patch version the play was made on and use that code to re-play it. Replays made before the header was added would just remain headerless, and the game would interpret the lack of a header on those as the oldest game version.
It's as simple as if~else, or a switch list with gotos if you want. This would allow osu to progress into a more modern game over time instead of getting stuck with issues that remained from past design such as spinner drain or so on.