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Poll 12: How should we deal with cheaters?

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A cheater is found (100% certain). What do we do with them?

Permanent ban (no exceptions)
130
41.67%
Give a second chance (new account)
39
12.50%
Score reset, disable submission, but leave account access
143
45.83%
Total votes: 312
Polling ended
peppy
19,301 posts
Here since the beginning
Topic Starter
peppy
Every time I ban a cheater, I get stuck in an email conversation where they either

a) lie and say they didn't cheat.
b) acknowledge they cheated but want a second chance.

I used to give second chances, but the rate of re-offense was so high I have stopped doing so. For what it's worth, I already have ideas on how to handle this, but I'd like to get your opinions as well. Keep in mind that in the case of permanent ban, it is hard to enforce as people can make multis.

Vote and discuss.
hillaryzx
363 posts
Joined October 2010
hillaryzx
Permanent ban should be enough for real cheaters....
Jarby
2,963 posts
Joined August 2008
Jarby
I voted for score reset, disable submission, but leave account access. Perhaps it would be wise to block account creation from their IP/MAC address in addition to that.
Bobo_old
492 posts
Joined February 2011
Bobo_old
Well I don't understand how they could say they didn't cheat, I mean how do you accidentally cheat??

-.-
Waryas
Waryas
lol last option is actually good
Osu Tatakae Ouendan
osu! Alumni
333 posts
Joined December 2010
Osu Tatakae Ouendan
here's the catch
if you do find a cheater in which case 100% sure he has cheated, it's usually nice to give a second chance, but it's a sure way to abuse such
if i say perma-ban, then multiaccounting would be their action. As for the third option I believe they'll just multi account again.
What's the use of cheating to get a high score if you can't show it to anyone?
I propose a 4th option of both Perma-ban and IP ban or something like that. Point is we have to find a way around the multiaccount loophole.



*EDIT: voted for permaban though, but we still need to find a way around the multiaccount problem
James2250
osu! Alumni
4,059 posts
Joined July 2008
James2250
I used to think if they admit they cheated and apologized they should be given a second chance, but I wont even say that these days.

Cheating isn't a gray area, the person doing it obviously knows they are breaking the rules. If they choose to cheat and ruin the fun of everyone else playing, I see no reason to give them another chance or let them stay in the community . So voting for permanent ban.

Multi-accounts do add a very big problem but hopefully a more advanced system can be put in place in the future to counter that...(not saying I have any good ideas for that though)
Mara
4,906 posts
Joined November 2009
Mara

Osu Tatakae Ouendan wrote:

both Perma-ban and IP ban or something like that
Won't work - proxy.

I voted perm ban, by the way. No mercy for sandrakers.
Soly
343 posts
Joined June 2011
Soly
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dNextGen
dNextGen

Soly wrote:

Permanent banana. No exceptions.
Jalatiphra
294 posts
Joined April 2009
Jalatiphra
permanent ban, we cant do anything against re-registering anyway
XK2238
2,066 posts
Joined October 2011
XK2238
MAC ban is enough I think, people will have to buy a whole new PC to continue cheating, which is very fund-draining, and they won't be brave to cheat anymore. \o/

(Voted for permanent ban)
emonite
229 posts
Joined February 2012
emonite
IP ban is too harsh,I don't like it whenever it may affect the others just because of one's action.I voted for permanent ban.

Jalatiphra wrote:

permanent ban, we cant do anything against re-registering anyway
Those who kept re-registering will surely get tired of it and stop because it is not worth their time.Seriously unless that guy is a NEET and have too much free time...
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Bittersweet
2,031 posts
Joined February 2010
Bittersweet
I'd say permaban, but from what i saw, they -always- make a second acc (and keep doing the same thing). So it's better reset scores, imo.

But if you disable submission it will be the same as banning the acc - they'll make another.
Laharl
1,392 posts
Joined January 2011
Laharl

Bittersweet wrote:

I'd say permaban, but from what i saw, they -always- make a second acc (and keep doing the same thing). So it's better reset scores, imo.

But if you disable submission it will be the same as banning the acc - they'll make another.
Yeah. That was why I voted for resetting the score. I'm actually more for the permaban but I'm pretty sure it is useless.
Disease_old_1
Disease_old_1

Soly wrote:

Permanent banana. No exceptions.
Krzysiek
237 posts
Joined March 2010
Krzysiek
Voted "Score reset, disable submission, but leave account access".

While you can always multi-account, it looks different after permanent ban and disable account.
- after permaban it looks like cheater is so smart that he fooled protection system (e-pen gained, cheater be hatin' more)
- account disable can't be bypassed so new account looks like cheater can't beat developers he/she hates so much (no e-pen gained)

And disabled account data can be utilized in the future I guess (?).
peppy
19,301 posts
Here since the beginning
Topic Starter
peppy
When I am talking "account access", I mean letting the user login to chat/forums. We still keep access to the account and have all relevant data, so it wouldn't change how easy it is to track people.
Jordan
1,037 posts
Joined December 2010
Jordan
Permaban =).
ztrot
osu! Alumni
4,378 posts
Joined February 2008
ztrot
Getting rid of the cheating account should be a given but then it is hard to track the user if you do give a 2nd chance.
I'd go with the 2nd choice but maybe instead wipe score and give them one more chance to play while submitting scores.
But for now I'd stick with giving a 2nd chance with a new account possibly link that there old account was such and such if possible?
Sinistro
osu! Alumni
1,412 posts
Joined January 2008
Sinistro
Wipe their score and disable their submission, but let them keep the account. I am aware they can still create a new account and start from scratch just as if we banned them altogether, but on principle I'd prefer to punish the offense itself, rather than the offender.

That message (it's not you we don't like, it's what you did) will probably be lost on most cheaters though. Oh well.
Xau_old
Xau_old
i think people who cheated on secundary accounts should also have second chances..
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