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VelperK

Yuki Hana-Chan wrote:

HAHAHAHAHA. YOU SO PRO, ekopret8ks.
i can't tell wheter this was sarcasm or not.
Disease_old_1
quick, call the offspring of your massive orgy, VelGon Cyphre
VelperK
sk8 resulted to be a cheater, what a shame. even though this can't be an objective analysis, since i have no strong evidence of him cheating, it all depends on the common sense like with corrupt's case :/

so i've played a multi with him, here are the results: http://osu.ppy.sh/mp/2681151

and i'll attach the multi log too: http://puu.sh/hDcj

....

:roll:
XEPCOH
hm... Ekopret drank too much coffee and done over 9000 retries.
Velp, what score you got playing Utage wa Eien ni for the first time?
ExGon

Deif wrote:

Just be a little bit more patient, and press the Report button 104714 times :P
;_;
Senyo



Someones real mad at me. Probably because he couldn't take the bashing from the multi lololol
Spectator

Senyo wrote:




Someones real mad at me. Probably because he couldn't take the bashing from the multi lololol
lol
YAZZII_old
nooooooo ekopret8ks :(
ekopret8ks
15:57 <ekopret8ks> : people are accusing me of cheating because of my #1
15:57 <ekopret8ks> : :o
15:57 <mikhe> : normal


Don't worry guys, people point fingers all the time.
VelperK

ekopret8ks wrote:

15:57 <ekopret8ks> : people are accusing me of cheating because of my #1
15:57 <ekopret8ks> : :o
15:57 <mikhe> : normal


Don't worry guys, people point fingers all the time.
then, if you are a legit player, why when i invited you to a multi game, you failed those three times and made a HUGE difference in terms of misses compared to me? i mean, you did Big Black with 3 misses and failed there?...
Even though you can say me that there are different focuses in ctb, i'm agree but still you just can't faill all the time and make all those mistakes.
I don't think all depends on luck, for example someone who plays 2500 times a TAG4 and want to be in the top 40 but joined yesterday, won't do it, however, if he keeps playing and practicing a lot like 10 months in different maps and tries differents mods and all, her/his probabilities of beign in that top later, increase.
So there you go. And yes, recently we're all pointing fingers because there are some kind of hacks going around wich cant be detected by peppy, so all that kind of records are suspicious enough to point people, stop blaming us for beign skeptics.
Yuki Hana-Chan

VelperK wrote:

Yuki Hana-Chan wrote:

HAHAHAHAHA. YOU SO PRO, ekopret8ks.
i can't tell wheter this was sarcasm or not.
Sarcasm at its best, vel-kun♥ :3
YAZZII_old

ekopret8ks wrote:

15:57 <ekopret8ks> : people are accusing me of cheating because of my #1
15:57 <ekopret8ks> : :o
15:57 <mikhe> : normal


Don't worry guys, people point fingers all the time.

not nice :(
ekopret8ks
It's ok velperk you're looking at it from a scientific point of view, i understand with science there is always skepticism, and for my multi scores, there could be hundreds of possibiltys
VelperK

ekopret8ks wrote:

It's ok velperk you're looking at it from a scientific point of view, i understand with science there is always skepticism, and for my multi scores, there could be hundreds of possibiltys
until you don't play better than senyo, exgon, me or any other pro in a multi match, NOT FAILING the map that is beign tried, then i will stop thinking you're a cheater.
Deif

Faust wrote:

Here's a map for you guys to chew on.

Eagle - D

Might just be my terrible skills, but I do find this pretty fun and challenging on CtB.

After which, post your scores and some feedback if you'd like :oops:
Nice map~ There'll be many FC's on it ;)

EDIT:
ekopret8ks

VelperK wrote:

ekopret8ks wrote:

It's ok velperk you're looking at it from a scientific point of view, i understand with science there is always skepticism, and for my multi scores, there could be hundreds of possibiltys
until you don't play better than senyo, exgon, me or any other pro in a multi match, NOT FAILING the map that is beign tried, then i will stop thinking you're a cheater.
You say that like i care what you think I am, I have true friends velperk, you'll never be one of them.
DeathxShinigami
It's only a little hilarious that VelperK cannot detect sarcasm and has to ask personally if there is any.

Funny how sk8terpoke's been here SO LONG and all of a sudden with a Big Black record all the commoners pile up all over him. :roll:
Senyo

DeathxShinigami wrote:

It's only a little hilarious that VelperK cannot detect sarcasm and has to ask personally if there is any.

Funny how sk8terpoke's been here SO LONG and all of a sudden with a Big Black record all the commoners pile up all over him. :roll:
It's only a little hilarious that velperk obviously used Sarcasm v.s. Sarcasm.

Its funny how sk8terpoke is a famous hacker back in 2010 and got banned for it. He also quite literally used sarcasm to answer any questions thrown at him that would result in him being a hacker, even to go as far as making up an excuse as "I have no left hand so I can't dash or play well" in a multi game.

Sk8ter hacked before, and he will again. Look at Shoreline [Hardstyle] #1. Inhumane and also quite ridiculous how he scored another HRHD record right off the bat. All evidence leads to him, ultimately, hacking.

Psychological evidence and oral evidence is present and the records (including time difference and play counts of each record) is also evident enough. Not to mention on big black all fruits caught are centered meaning one of two things.

1)He had all the time in the world and saw them coming as if slo-mo.
2)Quite the auto catcher.

During this time of crisis where hackers are rising all over the place and not getting caught, this is a perfect time for sk8 to come in and hack his sorry *#@ of and get away with it.
VelperK

DeathxShinigami wrote:

It's only a little hilarious that VelperK cannot detect sarcasm and has to ask personally if there is any.

Funny how sk8terpoke's been here SO LONG and all of a sudden with a Big Black record all the commoners pile up all over him. :roll:
it's only a little hilarious how you can generalize my detection of sarcasms, based on ONE doubt.

also, in respect to sk8, what senyo said.

EDIT:
maybe it's a little hilarious that i couldn't tell if what yuki said was sarcasm or not since i didn't have idea on her thoughs about sk8 or anything so yeah...
ignorethis
I'd like to remind all of you that this is a general CTB discussion thread, not a general cheating discussion thread. Go discuss about that in a talkgroup or something, but not here, thanks.

Any further content about cheating may result in this thread being locked.
VelperK

ignorethis wrote:

I'd like to remind all of you that this is a general CTB discussion thread, not a general cheating discussion thread. Go discuss about that in a talkgroup or something, but not here, thanks.

Any further content about cheating may result in this thread being locked.
NO PLEASE NO.

we'll keep posting records and no more...

okay.jpg
CLSW


stupid misses.

Edit : General CTB Cheaters thread.
VelperK


._.
Giorgos

ignorethis wrote:

I'd like to remind all of you that this is a general CTB discussion thread, not a general cheating discussion thread. Go discuss about that in a talkgroup or something, but not here, thanks.

Any further content about cheating may result in this thread being locked.
I'd like to remind you,that general means GENERAL. It's a general CTB thread,so,I think,we can talk about about ANYTHING linked with CTB. Now people here talk about CTB cheaters - any problems?
Disease_old_1

Giorgos wrote:

ignorethis wrote:

I'd like to remind all of you that this is a general CTB discussion thread, not a general cheating discussion thread. Go discuss about that in a talkgroup or something, but not here, thanks.

Any further content about cheating may result in this thread being locked.
I'd like to remind you,that general means GENERAL. It's a general CTB thread,so,I think,we can talk about about ANYTHING linked with CTB. Now people here talk about CTB cheaters - any problems?
what Giorgos said.
CLSW
We can discuss about any topic that linked with CTB here.

This is general CTB thread, therefore same as giorgos said, also I think this is legal.

Illegal stuff is if we discussed about standard and taiko cheaters.
abalee
Feel free to click the report link if you are sure that's cheating, or use !report ingame.
Disease_old_1

abalee wrote:

Feel free to click the report link if you are sure that's cheating, or use !report ingame.
uh we do?
Deif

abalee wrote:

Feel free to click the report link if you are sure that's cheating, or use !report ingame.
We are indeed talking about cheaters because that method isn't really effective in the short term. Meanwhile, it's a good topic to talk about.
Breeze
As ignorethis and abalee said, you can click report button to report a suspicious cheater, any cheater discuss are not welcomed here, once again, any further content about cheating may result in this thread being locked.
thanks for your cooperation.
Disease_old_1
finally some attention from dem BATs

currently raping f5 for progress
Deif
Anyway, the creation of a CTB sub-forum will solve this problem. There, we can create topics to CTB records, CTB cheaters, CTB maps, and a long etcetera.

Oh, I thought people could talk about anything in a General Thread.
CLSW
Finally CTB players' discontent have exploded.
NeoRainier
Where they can talk about that and at the same time make the community aware of the actual situation?
Disease_old_1
inb4 thread lock?
ursa

Deif wrote:

Anyway, the creation of a CTB sub-forum will solve this problem. There, we can create topics to CTB records, CTB cheaters, CTB maps, and a long etcetera.

Oh, I thought people could talk about anything in a General Thread.
agree : :)
Awake-Chan

Deif wrote:

Anyway, the creation of a CTB sub-forum will solve this problem. There, we can create topics to CTB records, CTB cheaters, CTB maps, and a long etcetera.

Oh, I thought people could talk about anything in a General Thread.
I think that would change the spam into the board o3o
DontTalkwithMir

Deif wrote:

Anyway, the creation of a CTB sub-forum will solve this problem. There, we can create topics to CTB records, CTB cheaters, CTB maps, and a long etcetera.

Oh, I thought people could talk about anything in a General Thread.
That would be a nice Idea.

abalee wrote:

Feel free to click the report link if you are sure that's cheating, or use !report ingame.
Obviously we do that. Read some posts here and you'll see that. :_/
We already discussed that it looks like these programs/tools w/e are hard to detect (or impossible yet?)
Some of us wanted to help peppy with some reports or just checking scores but it turned out into a long long long waiting for a real reply. (I know he's busy and all, but just a "okay" or something isn't hard to write. D: )

So..why are ppl not banned for cheating for over a whole year+saying "hey I'm cheating trolololz"? This can't be real can it?
We don't want anything bad, just some justice and ofc we want to help but this is like talking against a wall or something like that. (Maybe it's just my impression..)

You see, we enjoy (mostly) this game/mode and we still want that in the future.
I hope you guys can understand what I want to say. D:

(Sorry for my bad english, it isn't my native language.)
KRZY
Deleted useless posts. Any more of this and this thread WILL get locked, you have my word on this.

My view on discussing cheaters is this. As I have said before, it is okay to discuss cheats in general. It is not, however, okay to accuse a certain user of cheating, no matter how obvious and blatant it is. We may be the mainstream CTB players, but we are not Gods. We can never know for 100% if a user is cheating (yes, and I mean never.)

In this game, there are certain procedures that must be taken for a user to be banned for foul play. For now, peppy is the one who takes care of that. While we cannot be 100% sure that a user is cheating, on occasions, peppy can be 100% sure that a user is cheating. I've discussed this before, but will bring it up again: he has a set of anti-cheating measures, some automatic and some not, that establishes without doubt the falsity of a user's records before the user is banned. It is possible that users are developing ways to cheat and bypass these measures at the same time, but it is also plausible that the same users aren't cheating after all.

Truth is, any player with common sense can pick out the obvious cheaters. Besides cheaters who 4mod SS's on Insanes and obtain impossibly large scores (cases which do not require common sense for one to understand that the users are cheating), there are users who get multiple Flashlight records in suspiciously short intervals of time and suddenly set records that are way out of their leagues. But in this kind of games, common sense is not enough for banning. Banning an account is not a light action. The consequences of a mistaken ban is huge, and as a game dev/admin, you must take every possible measure to ensure that the user deserves a ban before actually placing a ban. People must be aware of this fact before wondering why certain users have not been banned yet.

As for the really obvious cheaters, I am not going to defend peppy for his lack of response on these users. I saw VelperK's post in the Help and Support forum, and although he should have been more careful before posting (one of the rules in that sub-forum is that you should not report cheaters in that forum, which is clearly stated in one of the stickied posts), I am quite disappointed by the admins' response to this situation. As a CTB player, I will be contacting peppy personally to address the situation, and I think anyone who considers himself a member of the global CTB community should find other means to solve the situation, like contacting the admins directly or using the report button more often (the report button works better if more people use it, as more reports mean higher priority of attention from peppy). Understand that there are much, much more standard mode users in this game than there are CTB users, and there are people who cheat in standard too. These people also get reported, so it is natural that CTB cheaters will get less reports, and therefore less attention, than people who cheat in standard mode.

Meanwhile, stop accusing a player directly of cheating and telling him to prove his legitimacy. A player has every right to refuse such demands, unless the demand was from one of the admins of the game; that is how a gaming community works. Accept it.

personal view on cheaters
As for the obvious cheaters, I do not care in the slightest. Getting my #1 taken by an obvious cheater does not bother me, since nobody will see the record and think the user is better than I am. Getting an #1 could be largely due to self-satisfaction, but it is also for bragging rights -to prove that i am skilled enough to be better than anybody else in the world on this particular map. Cheating blatantly to take #1 beats this purpose, and I am not disturbed by them.

However, subtle cheats that are hard to detect at first sight (Flashlights cheats on maps that may be FLable after a large amount of retries, HardRock cheats) do bother me. Since these kind of cheats are not detectable at first sight, a fair amount of people may think that I have been beaten by this cheater. This greatly disturbs me. I have a lot of pride in my gaming skills, and I don't like it when a user uses unfair methods to deceive people that he may be better than I am in a particular map.

As for cheating in general, I despise of the act and think all attempts of cheating should result in an outright and permanent ban.





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DontTalkwithMir
Ontopic of the original Thread stuff:



Sorry pies.. :(
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