Um.

I take it our bus driver failed to save Swift.

Right now I'm actually thinking the mafia left Swift alone N2 because they thought he would be protected, thus leaving him free to kill the next night.

What stops someone protecting him twice in a row?

But I do see your point.

Rantai wrote:

What stops someone protecting him twice in a row?

But I do see your point.

Traditionally, a doctor can't protect the same player consecutive nights. Though sometimes they ARE allowed if their protection is successful, thus making it even riskier for the mafia.

Fair enough then.

It's nice that we've got 2 mafia down but the downfall to that is we've got very little to work on for the next one, those days went by way too fast >.<

Slipping back into the previous posts again;

Wojjan wrote:

yeah that's true, you don't ever.

unvote

feeling pretty good about LS

LadySuburu wrote:

Feel free to lynch me if you'd like, just take the fact that I believe Wojjan and Lyby are almost guarenteed town into consideration once I flip.

These two stand out to me quite a bit right now. Now, aside from being quite cryptic (yep, I'm dumb), LS refused to vote on either bandwagon (granted the reasons were sound, but that's just convenient too). I'll think on this a bit more.

Just for reference - I believe, 0_o, pieguy, Chris and foulcoon (kind of) are town for now, judging by how I'm reading them. animask and DxS I have a null read on them. Lybydose and LS are the two I'm most wary about (LS moreso, Lybydose for his amazing lack of words).

Why do you think Foulcoon is town? He's been inactive for a while now~ (though possibly with an honest excuse, but who knows)

Lybydose has hardly posted at all since D2, only once to bandwagon Wojjan I think. Possibly to clear himself because he knew Wojjan was definitely going to get hammered and didn't want to not vote again for the confirmed Mafia. Not to mention Swift died when he was asked to scan him N3, though how long would Mafia really leave a cop alive? ^_^

faceman is probably the most confirmed town to me, but only based on the fact he pressured NoHitter so badly and helped complete the bandwagon against him and helped convince that he was most likely Mafia.

I still think LS is the Jester who ended up losing their role cause Lybydose called them out, losing post restrictions right after that happens is too convenient.

Animask saying oops about hammering a cop confirmed mafia member, wat.

DxS is inactive as usual, could go either way easily.

Rantai - Assuming town, nothing to confirm it yet though. Saying you believed foulcoon was town surprised me though, possible you + foulcoon are the last mafia alive.

pieguy I really have no thoughts about, been sorta inactive the past couple days. Didn't vote for Wojjan.

Chris wrote:

I still think LS is the Jester who ended up losing their role cause Lybydose called them out, losing post restrictions right after that happens is too convenient.

Rantai - Assuming town, nothing to confirm it yet though. Saying you believed foulcoon was town surprised me though, possible you + foulcoon are the last mafia alive.

To clear up it's only a slight read on foulcoon.

Alright, time to give you something then and also to show why I don't think LS is a jester.

Roleclaim: Setup Watcher

Basically, every day I am given a list of how many of 4 types of roles are left (Vanillas, power roles, mafia and independents). I will say right now there is 1 mafia left and no independents. Meaning it's a 8v1 set up at this moment.

However I noticed someone was jumping between power role and mafia on day 1 and 2. I believe there is someone who swaps roles based on a trigger. My guess is if that person is voted, they swap alignment then swap back the next day. Now, before I give you numbers, I want to make sure that actually giving out aux role numbers won't hurt the town.

Opinion?

Rantai wrote:

To clear up it's only a slight read on foulcoon.

Alright, time to give you something then and also to show why I don't think LS is a jester.

Roleclaim: Setup Watcher

Basically, every day I am given a list of how many of 4 types of roles are left (Vanillas, power roles, mafia and independents). I will say right now there is 1 mafia left and no independents. Meaning it's a 8v1 set up at this moment.

However I noticed someone was jumping between power role and mafia on day 1 and 2. I believe there is someone who swaps roles based on a trigger. My guess is if that person is voted, they swap alignment then swap back the next day. Now, before I give you numbers, I want to make sure that actually giving out aux role numbers won't hurt the town.

Opinion?

I don't see how it's possible for someone to switch back and forth? .. wouldn't they like, know who the other Mafia are and be able to win it for town?

You wouldn't of been able to see LS as an independent though just for the fact they were called out D1 and possibly lost their alignment right there, unless your ability is used during the day. (and before that happened)

It's hard to believe there is only 1 mafia member left though, I'm assuming it's more along the lines of someone who comes up as town when they use their night ability. (possibly 1 shot?) <-- and oh I just realized this might be what you meant.

I don't think it would be beneficial to state how many of what are left in this game, though. Just keep us informed if the Mafia count hits 2, cause I doubt this was a 3v12 game.

Chris wrote:

1.I don't see how it's possible for someone to switch back and forth? .. wouldn't they like, know who the other Mafia are and be able to win it for town?

2.You wouldn't of been able to see LS as an independent though just for the fact they were called out D1 and possibly lost their alignment right there, unless your ability is used during the day. (and before that happened)

3.It's hard to believe there is only 1 mafia member left though, I'm assuming it's more along the lines of someone who comes up as town when they use their night ability. (possibly 1 shot?) <-- and oh I just realized this might be what you meant.

4.I don't think it would be beneficial to state how many of what are left in this game, though. Just keep us informed if the Mafia count hits 2, cause I doubt this was a 3v12 game.

1. I am unsure how it works, I'll copy paste my notes on mafia numbers for you though.

Mafia - 3 - 4 - 2 - 1

2. There have been 0 independents the whole game, believe it or not. It has been 0 the whole way through.

3. I found it hard to believe too on the first day, then I saw the jump on day 2 and went... uh what? I waited for the next 2 days to see if it wasn't a periodic thing (ie alignment mafia on even days) .

4. Ok, I won't reveal what's left. I bet I'm dead tonight though.

Rantai wrote:

4. Ok, I won't reveal what's left. I bet I'm dead tonight though.

Don't bet on it friend.

I found it hard to believe there was 3 mafia members*

Oh and assuming my hypothesis is correct (or even on the off chance it's right) please refrain from voting, use FoS or w/e until we know who we want to lynch.

Last thing we need is to create another mafia.

Good night, see you in the morning.

The Mafia Spy shows up as Town to Cops, but the Mafia can "call them back" at any time to make them full members of the Mafia at any time. (Obviously, the Mafia would know that the Mafia Spy exists.)

^ I assume this would work for your role as well, which would explain the interesting numbers you gathered.

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let me know what you think~

Oh wow, that's interesting. o.o It's definitely a huge relief to know there's only 1 mafia member left (and no SK), because that allows 3 more mislynches before LYLO.

Given what you said, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Lybydose or LS (or far less likely, Chris) was that person (and they originally wanted to be mafia). Perhaps they didn't know they had that property, but there's definitely a chance they did.

Chris wrote:

pieguy I really have no thoughts about, been sorta inactive the past couple days. Didn't vote for Wojjan.

I went to bed during night 2 and when I came back, day 3 had already ended and it was already night 3 >.<//

1. Rantai
If his claim is true, this means he's town. I'm willing to believe it for now, I can always go back and change it if it leads to a contradiction (and we have a lot of time left, unlike in community PyP). He was also first on the bandwagon of NoHItter, and I'm further inclined to say he's town due to meta (and no I won't say what meta )...

2. LadySuburu
Let's see here... First of all, if Rantai's claim is true, IMO he has a high chance of being the person whose alignment switches back and forth. Plus, the way he was posting D1 makes me think that he might have had a pro-town power (or some other power) that he lost. Either way, if he lost it, I doubt he would become a mafia member, so I think he's town.

3. 0_o
Inactive near the start, but he had a reason for that so I can disregard it. He seems very proactive and trying to help the town, so I think for now he's town.

4. Chris
Confused everyone D1, though I don't think he meant to. He has also been quite proactive and has analyzed quite well so far, so I'm pretty sure he's town.

5. animask
He's been quite inactive, but he was also on the bandwagon for both mafia members (though with Wojjan, it was clear he was going to be lynched anyway, and it was quite obvious he was mafia). I haven't picked up any other reads on him yet, I'll reread the thread later and hopefully get something.

7. foulcoon
He's been really inactive so far, so I'm not sure what to say about him.

8. Lybydose
If Rantai is telling the truth, due to the way he was acting early on, he has a higher chance of being the person whose alignment switches, and thus town. This makes him more likely to be town. Yes, Swiftwolf died after supposedly checking Lybydose, but this is WIFOM.

9. DeathxShinigami
What I'm wondering is this:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I have a feeling that DxS watched me in this situation, but right now, all I know is that NoHitter is mafia.

Does this mean DxS is a watcher? Swiftwolf said this, so he has no reason to lie (and DxS never claimed anything). Aside from that, I haven't picked up any reads on him just yet, but I plan to reread (rereread?) the thread later today when I have more time. >.<

Essentially, there are a few people who are more likely to be town, and that's it. Regarding the issue with Rantai, LS, and Lybydose, that was just me making a guess based on how they acted D1. If they did switch back and forth based on if they voted, that situation would make a lot of sense given how they were acting. However, the other one may still very well be mafia, or I might be completely wrong. Also, since days 2 and 3 were so short, some people such as DxS, animask, and foulcoon appear inactive because they have no chances to make posts. In other words, I don't have enough information yet to tell anything for sure.

Chris wrote:

The Mafia Spy shows up as Town to Cops, but the Mafia can "call them back" at any time to make them full members of the Mafia at any time. (Obviously, the Mafia would know that the Mafia Spy exists.)

^ I assume this would work for your role as well, which would explain the interesting numbers you gathered.

That would explain the jump from 3 to 4, but not from 4 to 2.

Wojjan accused me/faceman/pieguy of being scum, and they were the Mafia Leader soo..

.. I'm assuming us three are all confirmed town, though it's possible they did that and tried to place a Mafia member in there knowing they were lynched. <-- That'd be a really shady thing to do though.

I feel like faceman/pieguy/Rantai/me are pretty much confirmed, kinda.

I do think that Suburu is probably the Mafia Spy, them having a posting requirement kinda makes sense since a spy would want to be "out of sight" for the most part. It also says that the Spies can go right back to the Mafia, which would in turn allow them to speak freely again with no posting restriction. Maybe that's what happened? I'm not sure if something like that is a day or night action though, so I might be off.

Lybydose is ridiculously inactive, and I think it's worth pointing out that him + animask were the last ones to vote for Wojjan. He posts but only to vote and hasn't really given his input on anything since D2. This is all just information though, not really an accusation. I would like to see some sort of post from either of them though.

DxS claimed he believed Swiftwolf was Mafia and voted for him. Just another bit of information that I should point out. Not to mention he lurks and refuses to post.

0_o wrote:

That would explain the jump from 3 to 4, but not from 4 to 2.

Maybe they became a Spy again? It doesn't say anything about not being able to do it more than once.

also 4 -> 2 would be one Mafia dead and the Mafia Spy going back into hiding.

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why no post~

I thought someone wanted more input before the hammer vote.

The days are ending pretty quickly and I'm starting to think only 1 mafia member is doing the NK work.

I don't really have much else to post right now...

Chris wrote:

0_o wrote:

That would explain the jump from 3 to 4, but not from 4 to 2.

Maybe they became a Spy again? It doesn't say anything about not being able to do it more than once.

also 4 -> 2 would be one Mafia dead and the Mafia Spy going back into hiding.

It doesn't make sense for a spy to be able to go back into hiding though:
-When the spy is hiding, he appears as town under investigation, but the mafia doesn't know who he is
-When he comes out, he is revealed to the mafia but is not longer immune to investigations
After this there would be no downsides not to go back into hiding as the mafia already knows who he is.

Maybe there is a mafioso who has a night action, but can forfeit it for the night in order to appear as town?

0_o wrote:

It doesn't make sense for a spy to be able to go back into hiding though:
-When the spy is hiding, he appears as town under investigation, but the mafia doesn't know who he is
-When he comes out, he is revealed to the mafia but is not longer immune to investigations
After this there would be no downsides not to go back into hiding as the mafia already knows who he is.

Maybe there is a mafioso who has a night action, but can forfeit it for the night in order to appear as town?

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hider

Maybe there is a Mafia Hider role, still looking around to see what I can find.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

On the bandwagon upon me I can only say that town will be harmed much more if I do get lynched.

Unfortunately I am unable to roleclaim due to role restrictions.

I'm still curious as to what he meant by this. At this point he should have some information for us, since if he was a protective role or a driver swift shouldn't have died.

0_o wrote:

-I think I got what LS was getting at, thus I believe he is also town

If this statement is true, he should basically know that I'm town. It should be the same reason I'm basically sure he's town.


As for Lyby and animask, Lyby was the one to place Wojjan at L-1, and animask the hammer. Both actions lead to quickly stifling town discussion. If we do have someone who is switching between mafia and town, I'd say it's one of them (If not one of them actually being the mafia in the first place.)


We're still far enough ahead that if I'm going to be a target for a lynch near / at LyLo based on speculations like what Chris is mentioning, I'd rather you lynch me now so you can actually focus on finding the mafia.

why don't you go ahead and roleclaim if you don't care about dying then

tell us what your post restriction was about as well

Sorry for not posting guys, I'm lacking internet at home right now for reasons unknown and I've been at work a lot with a stripped down workstation as I typically work via remote desktop (lol can't do that with no internet at home).

Basically town is awesome this game. It sucks that we lost Swift but it is to be expected, no mafia in their right mind would leave such a powerful role alive for any longer. I think Swift being NK'd while investigating Lyby is just a coincidence and shouldn't really be taken in to account. I'm not saying its impossible for Lyby to be the mafia, but just that we shouldn't take it too seriously as Swift was probably the NK target long before his investigation target was decided.

LS's role seems most suspicious to me. I don't know why a mafia member would try to fake a post restriction so early int he game though, it seems like it would call too much attention.

animask is animask. I don't know how to put this correctly. Hammered the lynch yesterday but the target was Mafia so its okay. However, a mafia about to be down their second member would have to play aggressively and cut-throat to survive.

As for Wojjan's FoS, s/he did that in a previous mafia game when s/he/it was mafia. I wouldn't take it as those people being confirmed town. Also in PyP Mafia I used a similar tactic to try to throw a tiny bit of suspicion off of my mafia buddy Kiddo (which was not really effective but pretty much guaranteed a SK win lmao).

As per Rantai's request I won't FoS or vote anyone at this point in time.

Chris wrote:

why don't you go ahead and roleclaim if you don't care about dying then

tell us what your post restriction was about as well

I'm not sure if a Modkill shows proper results. Showing up as "Neutral Survivor" for being modkilled would be even more useless to the town.

Yeah I'm pretty sure LS is town. If you trust me you can probably trust him.

Chris wrote:

why don't you go ahead and roleclaim if you don't care about dying then

tell us what your post restriction was about as well

so we can lose 2 town and be no wiser at all? the days have already been short enough.

so is anybody going to bother trying to figure out what Rantai's talking about or are we all going to play the respond to posts and contribute nothing game

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Framer
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hider

only two things I can find so far as to how Mafia ended up gaining then losing a member (other than the spy thing)

I doubt it's the framer one though cause I doubt there is 3 mafia total

Hi posting from phone

What if mafia switch happens when that person votes? Did anyone vote d1 and d2 but not d3?

Also could be mafia that can hide from cop but cant use aux power or maf chat while hiding as town

Will post more later

Framer seems unlikely unless it's a one-shot deal. Why would they only use it once in 3 nights?

Mafia hider doesn't really work either:
-hiders are immune to night actions targeted directly at themselves; they can only be effected when a night action is used on the player they're hiding behind
-thus, a mafia hider would have no reason to hide behind someone, as that would give up their death/investigation immunity
-even if they were compulsive, i.e. they HAD to hide behind someone each night, it wouldn't make sense that their alignment would be hidden. If they hide behind a townsperson A, and A gets investigated, the cop would get results on both players.

Honestly, right now I don't think there's a whole lot of point in speculating Rantai's findings. It's obvious Two's using obscure, made up roles this game, so it really could be anything.

At this point it doesn't really matter if there are one or two mafia remaining. Just lynch whoever we find most suspicious.

Chris wrote:

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Framer
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hider

only two things I can find so far as to how Mafia ended up gaining then losing a member (other than the spy thing)

I doubt it's the framer one though cause I doubt there is 3 mafia total

The odd thing is that Rantai recieves results at day. (Based on what was said, I think it's a passive role that gets automatic results. I'd like more clarification from Rantai.)

I know that in my games, Night roles such as Framers stop applying once day hits. It may not be the same here.


Also, If we're to believe Rantai, I'd assume the "Mafia Leader" is either not a godfather, or an altered Godfather with some odd role.

Who does everyone believe is most likely to be Mafia?

I'd like to hear from everybody. ^_^

No i dont mean hider like on the wiki. Every role so far seems to have been made up or altered by two, so he probably made up a new role that's a mafia with some other aux power that can choose to be a "godfather" at will but cant use maf chat or his aux power when he does.

Also i think animask is mafia.

This would make sense because he would want to go mafia mode night 1 to talk or use his other power, but then chose to hide night 2 and on once he saw there was a cop.

Also it doesn't seem there is a roleblocker. It might be best if everyone claimed, or, at the very least, claimed to be either power role or vanilla so we could compare results to whatever Rantai got.

Thoughts?

Lybydose wrote:

Also it doesn't seem there is a roleblocker. It might be best if everyone claimed, or, at the very least, claimed to be either power role or vanilla so we could compare results to whatever Rantai got.

Thoughts?

That sounds like a terrible idea and an easy way for Mafia to pick people off

Well I can't claim my role but I can say that my power allows me to act in a pro-town manner. So there.

Don't really have any suspicions on anyone right now but I'll post my idea later.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Well I can't claim my role but I can say that my power allows me to act in a pro-town manner. So there.

Don't really have any suspicions on anyone right now but I'll post my idea later.

allows me to act in a pro-town manner
act in a pro-town manner
3-4-2
allows me to act
pro-town manner


wat

How is that a terrible idea? They will probably already target rantai anyway and it would be pointless for him to die with usefjl information before we can even do anythig with it (referring to his aux role counts).

Okay, I'll explain since that was worded so odd (posting from a phone)

I am pro town, my role is pro town.

Lybydose wrote:

How is that a terrible idea? They will probably already target rantai anyway and it would be pointless for him to die with usefjl information before we can even do anythig with it (referring to his aux role counts).

hey guys I'm aux
me too
me too


kill those 3 no more aux's, roleclaiming is not the way to go imo

and rantai isn't going to die ^_^

at best I agree with him stating how many roles their are of each, no roleclaiming though

If anyone lies (ie dxs) it would be obvious to rantai because the count would not match up

Besides if you and dxs are town im sure mafia already know their 3 auxes to target

Lybydose wrote:

Besides if you and dxs are town im sure mafia already know their 3 auxes to target

explain

I'm pretty sure Chris is roleclaiming doctor or bus driver or roleblocker/protector, etc.

foulcoon wrote:

I'm pretty sure Chris is roleclaiming doctor or bus driver or roleblocker/protector, etc.

This.

Hey look there's the three aux roles that the mafia can pick out even though no one really "claimed".

Also if you're so sure rantai won't die (because of the role you imply you are) then why did swiftwolf die?

Lybydose wrote:

Also if you're so sure rantai won't die (because of the role you imply you are) then why did swiftwolf die?

I didn't imply I was anything

I just said Rantai wont die

Chris wrote:

Lybydose wrote:

Also if you're so sure rantai won't die (because of the role you imply you are) then why did swiftwolf die?

I didn't imply I was anything

I just said Rantai wont die

Why, because you're mafia and aren't planning on killing him?

I probably wouldn't have worded it like that but yeah. You're implying that you're one of those protection roles, or you're implying that you're mafia. Pretty much the only options here.

Lybydose wrote:

Why, because you're mafia and aren't planning on killing him?

obviously

Lybydose wrote:

No i dont mean hider like on the wiki. Every role so far seems to have been made up or altered by two, so he probably made up a new role that's a mafia with some other aux power that can choose to be a "godfather" at will but cant use maf chat or his aux power when he does.

Yeah, I was talking to Chris there.

I brought up that possibility at the bottom of page 30:

0_o wrote:

Maybe there is a mafioso who has a night action, but can forfeit it for the night in order to appear as town?

I thinking that's the most likely scenario at the moment.

Okay sorry for missing this everyone but I'm going to end the day here.

DeathxShinigami - Townsperson has been smitten by the hand of god.

It's now Night 4. You have 24 hours to send in night actions.

It's now Day 5. You wake up and find...

Rantai - Know-it-all (Seer) dead, in a room full of very creepy pictures and notes

You have 72 hours until nightfall. 4 votes to lynch.

/raisefist

Good luck ^.^

vote: Chris

I thought Rantai wasn't going to die, dick. Explain.

Well, that was a waste of a day.

My choices are Lyby and animask.

Right now I'm thinking either Lyby or foul, slightly leaning Lyby.

If I had to pick a third, probably Chris, but I'd rather check out ^ first.

0_o wrote:

Right now I'm thinking either Lyby or foul, slightly leaning Lyby.

If I had to pick a third, probably Chris, but I'd rather check out ^ first.

Assuming one mafia, we have three lynches left.

7 -> 5 -> 3

Assuming two mafia, we have two lynches left.

So, anyone but Lyby object to a Lyby lynch for today sometime?

LadySuburu wrote:

sometime?

i.e., NOT half an hour from now

0_o wrote:

Right now I'm thinking either Lyby or foul, slightly leaning Lyby.

If I had to pick a third, probably Chris, but I'd rather check out ^ first.

Why me?

foulcoon wrote:

Why me?

Not so much that you're particularly scummy, but that I feel like everyone else is town

foulcoon is the most likely town here

Lybydose wrote:

foulcoon is the most likely town here

between that and the other stupid comment you made you're definitely keeping my vote~

0_o wrote:

If I had to pick a third, probably Chris, but I'd rather check out ^ first.

how could you pick me over someone like animask

Chris wrote:

0_o wrote:

If I had to pick a third, probably Chris, but I'd rather check out ^ first.

how could you pick me over someone like animask

I have my reasons.

0_o wrote:

I have my reasons.

are you saying you know animask is town

Chris wrote:

0_o wrote:

I have my reasons.

are you saying you know animask is town

Know? No.

Have a pretty good hunch I can't explain? Yes.

0_o wrote:

Have a pretty good hunch I can't explain? Yes.

fair enough, I trust you so I won't question it

imo lybydose and foulcoon are the last 2 mafia

pieguy still not much of an opinion on tbh, he's staying off the grid

wojjan calling him out kinda makes me think he's town though

animask is pretty inactive though

meanwhile everyone ignores LadySuburu who was faking a post restriction and generally just being extremely cryptic with everything AND hasn't even voted on either of the obvious bandwagons on mafia confirmed by a cop

Lybydose wrote:

meanwhile everyone ignores LadySuburu who was faking a post restriction and generally just being extremely cryptic with everything AND hasn't even voted on either of the obvious bandwagons on mafia confirmed by a cop

I can't exactly argue with this post cause you're right, though it does sort of seem like you're just trying to push the heat onto someone else and not really contribute/explain why you aren't mafia

what do you think facebro

Lybydose wrote:

meanwhile everyone ignores LadySuburu who was faking a post restriction and generally just being extremely cryptic with everything AND hasn't even voted on either of the obvious bandwagons on mafia confirmed by a cop

You mean I haven't rushed the end of the day in order to completely stifle any discussion town could've had, which you did.

I haven't been cryptic about anything that I can explain either.

You've only solidified my vote on you today with that post.

@chris, I'm not against him stating it again, but I believe he's twice now stated that he believes I'm town.

LadySuburu wrote:

You mean I haven't rushed the end of the day in order to completely stifle any discussion town could've had, which you did.

I haven't been cryptic about anything that I can explain either.

You've only solidified my vote on you today with that post.

@chris, I'm not against him stating it again, but I believe he's twice now stated that he believes I'm town.

I didn't mean what does he think about you specifically, just about lybydose's post in general~

I doubt you/faceman/animask are all mafia lol, so for the most part I believe you're town as well

also good point about the stopping town discussion thing

Vote: Lybydose (I didn't hammer again this time, did I?)

I was on to you from the start. I actually find it odd how LS 'faked' a restriction. The way that Lybydose is directing attention
to LS seems kind of scummy though. If Lybydose was mafia, I don't think he would target LS...

About foulcoon... I just think he's being inactive in weird places which could gather up suspicion on him. Chris feels like he could be mafia as well, but its more of a meta/gut feeling that I have. I'm not really sure who else could be mafia.

LadySuburu wrote:

I haven't been cryptic about anything that I can explain either.

No you haven't. No reason given for why you had a post restriction and just mysteriously lost it.

This post and whatever your super secret meaning is.

LadySuburu wrote:

Speaking of those three, I know for sure that they couldn't have understood my meaning.

So, I no longer really see them as town. That leaves faceman as the only one on my list.

animask wrote:

The way that Lybydose is directing attention
to LS seems kind of scummy though. If Lybydose was mafia, I don't think he would target LS...

this post directly contradicts itself

0_o wrote:

I am 95% sure LS is legit.

wanna give a percentage on animask and pieguy then?

I'm pretty sure my vote tomorrow is gonna stick with foulcoon unless something changes

inb4 I get NK'd

Chris wrote:

0_o wrote:

I am 95% sure LS is legit.

wanna give a percentage on animask and pieguy then?

I'm pretty sure my vote tomorrow is gonna stick with foulcoon unless something changes

inb4 I get NK'd

pieguy - 85%
animask - 80% ehh make that 75%

Given that % confidence is fairly ambiguous.

Lybydose wrote:

animask wrote:

The way that Lybydose is directing attention
to LS seems kind of scummy though. If Lybydose was mafia, I don't think he would target LS...

this post directly contradicts itself

you're still just fighting other posts and not doing anything to better your situation

you're pretty much guaranteed to be the lynch today with the way votes are heading

I'd roleclaim and say what information you've obtained from your role if you're not mafia~

or you know we could have roleclaimed yesterday when Rantai was still alive instead of right now so we'd have more information than the "absolutely nothing" you're going to get if you lynch me.

but oh wait no roleclaiming near the end game is going to make it too easy for mafia to pick off targets, so obviously we should just continue hiding all our information until the mafia wins. it's the perfect plan

btw I'm vanilla town

and by "absolutely nothing" I mean tomorrow is going to be LyLo if you lynch me and the mafia switcher whatever thing is on, so any roleclaim is likely faked and nearly impossible to confirm by that point, hence why we should have done it much sooner

you're about to get lynched anyways so you roleclaiming doesn't matter

was just wondering what you'd claim

Chris wrote:

you're still just fighting other posts and not doing anything to better your situation

why would I not fight other posts? animask suspects me with the brilliant logic of "Lybydose did something I don't think a mafia would do, so he must be mafia!"

great way to just throw votes on a bandwagon with no reasoning at all (you know, something the mafia would want to do)

Lybydose wrote:

animask wrote:

The way that Lybydose is directing attention
to LS seems kind of scummy though. If Lybydose was mafia, I don't think he would target LS...

this post directly contradicts itself

Oh, I meant if LadySuburu was mafia, I don't think Lybydose would target him.

Lybydose wrote:

Chris wrote:

you're still just fighting other posts and not doing anything to better your situation

why would I not fight other posts? animask suspects me with the brilliant logic of "Lybydose did something I don't think a mafia would do, so he must be mafia!"

great way to just throw votes on a bandwagon with no reasoning at all (you know, something the mafia would want to do)

you don't post for so long, and then when people start suspecting you you wind up replying to everyone mentioning your name

at this point it's just process of elimination, and you're one of the least confirmed town there is

animask wrote:

Oh, I meant if LadySuburu was mafia, I don't think Lybydose would target him.

what?

yes you're right I didn't post day two because the day ended before I even got a chance to check the thread. then I voted for a person found guilty by a confirmed cop that wasn't even being targeted by nightkills so what's the point in even discussing it, and then animask hammered before anything else happened.

why can't you make a post without trying to point out what someone else did scummy

that's one of the reasons I feel like you are mafia

oh right I guess a town player should never try to point out scummy things that other people do. Yeah that's the best way to catch mafia.

Lybydose wrote:

oh right I guess a town player should never try to point out scummy things that other people do. Yeah that's the best way to catch mafia.

you got accused of hammering soon to stop town discussion

you point out animask hammered

also sarcasm is the lowest form of wit

oh so now you just switch to ad hominem attacks?

Lybydose wrote:

oh so now you just switch to ad hominem attacks?

please stop trying to derail town

Given the death of Swiftwolf and then Rantai, I don't think there's a Doctor. Rantai died immediately after he roleclaimed, so even if the doctor can't protect the same person twice in a row, IMO it still doesn't make sense...

You mean I haven't rushed the end of the day in order to completely stifle any discussion town could've had, which you did.

Actually, this is a really good point (and I didn't even think about this). I can't imagine not hammering in most cases, but in this case both days hadn't even lasted a day. Hammering so soon makes sure there's no discussion going on.

That said, FoS: Lybydose He was near the end on Wojjan's bandwagon, and has been acting suspicious in general.

More coming, I'll go ahead and post this because Two prodded me a minute or so ago

That's just a FoS because in both cases the person was quite obviously mafia, so it's not that suspicious. During day 2, though, we still weren't 100% sure. Plus, he hasn't really brought up that much reasoning or deduction, and has mostly just voted. As I said, though, we have someone who switches between town and mafia, and it's more likely that he or LS is this person (assuming they switch when voted). What we need to do, I presume, is figure out when this person is mafia and lynch him then, but we don't even know what causes this person to switch back and forth.

Another possibility is that there's one mafia that counts as 2 mafia under a specific condition, instead of someone switching back and forth. Alternatively, it could be a townie that counts as mafia. It might also be a fourth mafia that appears as a townie if a specific condition is met. If someone switched back and forth entirely, it would be a bit difficult because they couldn't know who the mafia are, but they'd have to kill off everyone else. o.o (That mafia could have died already, so there's no guarantee that the one that's left is that mafia...and it doesn't matter much because Rantai is dead now ) I think the situation of having a "conditional miller" is a lot more likely because someone physically switching between town and mafia roles would make no sense IMO. If this is the case, there would be no benefit to switching, so LS and Lybydose are not more likely to be town. The situation of a "conditional godfather" doesn't make sense unless his condition was automatically true day 1, in which case that number would be correct. There might also be a framer, but the problem is that the condition only worked one day (unless the person who was framed was NK'ed, which doesn't make sense).

In other words, there are a lot of possibilities, but I think the "conditional miller" is the most likely one.

As I said, there's hardly any discussion going on, so I can't really come up with much. 0_o has been quite proactive and avoided hammering too early, so I think he's town. Chris is being quite proactive, so he's probably town, but everyone else might be mafia. foulcoon hasn't really been around recently. That leaves animask, Lybydose, LadySuburu, and foulcoon. So far I think the most suspicious person is Lybydose, because he's just voting and not providing much reasoning. He also voted DxS day 1, and was confident in Mashley who turned out to be town. He did suggest a mass roleclaim, which I think would help and at least raise activity, but two of our auxes have already died after roleclaiming...as I said, I don't think there's a doctor, so if we did that we'll probably lose another important aux. Then again we already have a huge advantage, so it might be worth it.

I'm not sure at all why LadySuburu faked a post restriction D1. The situation of LS being a "conditional miller", where the post restriction was the condition, makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure why it could have been lifted after the next day though (being miller for just 1 day seems a bit insignificant IMO, so he wouldn't really have to bother faking anything at all that early in the game). This means that either the condition is something entirely different, or he is not the "conditional miller", if that's what it actually is. If the condition is voting, it has to be LadySuburu, because he's the only one who voted day 1 and not day 2 and day 3. If it's being voted, it could be Chris or Lybydose.

So that leaves animask and foulcoon, who haven't really been that suspicious, but there's nothing really suggesting they're town. Lybydose has been acting quite suspicious, but I have a gut feeling he's not mafia. It's also a possibility that LadySuburu could be mafia, but I have a gut feeling he's town. Chris and 0_o are the least suspicious IMO, and I'm quite sure they're town.

I'm really not sure on this, because there's hardly been any discussion...which brings be back to my Lybydose FoS.

Regarding my inactivity, it's because I'll end up leaving during near the start of the day (or even during night) for school or sleep, and when I come back the day is already over. It's starting to get quite annoying, but there's nothing I can really do (and I won't complain since we've been lynching mafia left and right ).

^^ TEXTWALL ^^

I don't really get how people are disregarding the shady shit that LS and Chris have done. LS with the whole post restriction magically disappearing, and Chris claiming for sure Rantai would not die... How does nobody else find that suspicious? Also regarding my activity, I had no internet connection for just about 24 hours and for some time before and after that I was in either school or at work. There was also the point in time where days were so short that I completely missed them because of sleep or school.

The way Lyby is playing is pretty FoS-worthy I suppose. If Lyby does turn up town I will probably lean towards voting Chris or LS. Lyby will probably be lynched as the general consensus is everyone finds him suspicious. I'm not really sure why he said that I'm most likely to be town at this point. Not that I'm going to refuse a positive assessment, but because of my activity I find it difficult for anyone to form such an opinion. I simply don't understand why he would defend me.