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strager wrote: strager wrote: I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier. I was responding to this: BagelBob wrote: Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working. I was working off that the 'could' is 'would' in the hypothetical situation. This, along with strager wrote: Saturos-fangirl wrote: also since strager no longer has the appearance of claiming doctor, which was what was stopping me from voting against him before. this is also making me begin to doubt Echo's skill at this game, but meh. unvote vote strager Eek! I meant I didn't mean to spill the beans! I thought that's what you were asking. I didn't mean I wasn't "unclaiming" myself as Doctor. this, makes it sound like you're trying to back out of your doctor claim now. You didn't mean to spill the beans about not being the doctor? Double negative meaning that you are trying to un-claim yourself as the doctor? You've been being very vague from the beginning. Also, I've failed to see your case on Echo. So far, the only reason I can come up with for your vote is that he was making a case on you. Could you give anything more than that? |
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BagelBob wrote: strager wrote: strager wrote: I don't know where you got the idea that I think having the doktor role-claim on the first day is a good idea. I distinctly remember saying "I dislike role claims", and you first quoting me about it, then doing an analysis earlier. I was responding to this: BagelBob wrote: Oh, and I have to disagree with you on that matter. A fake-claim by a town could work out nicely. I certainly don't think that's what's happening here, but I could see it working. I was working off that the 'could' is 'would' in the hypothetical situation. I don't know how to explain this better. =S BagelBob wrote: strager wrote: Saturos-fangirl wrote: also since strager no longer has the appearance of claiming doctor, which was what was stopping me from voting against him before. this is also making me begin to doubt Echo's skill at this game, but meh. unvote vote strager Eek! I meant I didn't mean to spill the beans! I thought that's what you were asking. I didn't mean I wasn't "unclaiming" myself as Doctor. this, makes it sound like you're trying to back out of your doctor claim now. You didn't mean to spill the beans about not being the doctor? Double negative meaning that you are trying to un-claim yourself as the doctor? You've been being very vague from the beginning. Okay, let me (try to) clarify. Claiming Doctor was a slip. I didn't intend for it to happen, and I didn't intend to claim Doctor. But it happened and that's what I meant. I wasn't trying to bring about a double negative by "spilling the beans" about me "unclaiming" myself as Doctor (unless I misunderstand where you're getting the double negative from?). BagelBob wrote: Also, I've failed to see your case on Echo. So far, the only reason I can come up with for your vote is that he was making a case on you. Could you give anything more than that? Obviously, because almost all of what Echo has been doing is "making a case on me." There's nothing else to go on from him, really. |
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Quote: S: Indeed, which makes adam somewhat suspect because he is voting for me. Then again, if he were the Mafia, he'd kill me anyway. So I think it's safe to say ... he is not. That is, I am clearing adam's name as a suspect Mafia for me. E: adam's done absolutely nothing to convince anyone that he's not mafia. S: I never said I was convinced he wasn't Mafia. I'm just saying for today I won't consider him a possible target. E: [quoting first line] Read that and tell me you never said you weren't convinced. S: I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry. E: So you admit that you convinced yourself adam is townie? S: You're attacking. Am I supposed to just take that? Okay, I will. That is basically the exchange that went on. Every line is a direct quote from chronological posts in this thread. btw - strager, can you claim doctor in bold without using a negative sentence construct? Something like "claim: doctor" strager wrote: D= I didn't mean to. strager wrote: I did not intend to claim myself as Doctor. I'll stop hammering strager. |
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strager wrote: Echo wrote: btw - strager, can you claim doctor in bold without using a negative sentence construct? Something like "claim: doctor" strager wrote: D= I didn't mean to. strager wrote: I did not intend to claim myself as Doctor. Claim: Doctor. Hopefully that clears things up. Oh snap. |
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osu! Alumni 3,092 posts |
edit: thanks strager
Onto SFG's post... SFG wrote: If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor. Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day. SFG wrote: Echo: explain why you spent so much time pointing out strager's claim if the claim appears to have been invisible to nearly everyone else and you specifically did not want it to have happened. Obviously, I don't want the identity of the doctor leaked. I actually did expect strager to deny doctor but instead he said he didn't mean to leak his role. However, theoretically speaking the real doctor has nothing to gain by repeated affirming the fact that he was doctor since he can't protect himself, making revealing his role a really stupid thing to do, which is what makes me extremely suspicious of him. The main reason for hammering strager, however, is because of the exchange which I've condensed into the first quote in my last post. edit2: NOTE: this is not exactly an attack against strager, but I'm just explaining to SFG my thought processes. I don't expect you (strager) to reply to this, although you're completely free to. |
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Echo wrote: SFG wrote: If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor. Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day. Circular reasoning flows from this easily. ---------- Echo wrote: SFG wrote: Echo: explain why you spent so much time pointing out strager's claim if the claim appears to have been invisible to nearly everyone else and you specifically did not want it to have happened. Obviously, I don't want the identity of the doctor leaked. I actually did expect strager to deny doctor but instead he said he didn't mean to leak his role. However, theoretically speaking the real doctor has nothing to gain by repeated affirming the fact that he was doctor since he can't protect himself, making revealing his role a really stupid thing to do, which is what makes me extremely suspicious of him. The main reason for hammering strager, however, is because of the exchange which I've condensed into the first quote in my last post. I missed that quote (I guess I thought it was a quote from earlier; I think BagelBob did something similar), and the last line is out of context. Here's your post (link): Echo wrote: strager wrote: No, I was asking a question: strager wrote: If someone claimed to be an important role to the town, wouldn't you be cautious not to vote him? That's a rhetorical question. You're telling us not to vote for you, ie. defending yourself. strager wrote: Echo wrote: Also part in bold - what do you mean you're not defending yourself? That's a baseless statement with no evidence. Saying I am defending myself (however implicitly) is baseless. So I'll completely disregard your attacks on my defense. Your posts are defensive. This argument is based on your posts, not just random guesses in the air. [...] I was going to vote you now, but since you're suggesting you're cop now, I'll let you defend yourself first. And my post shortly thereafter: strager wrote: 0_o wrote: @Echo, imo you can't really blame him for getting defensive when every post you make attacks each sentence of his one by one  And how exactly does mentioning the cop imply that he's claiming cop?? sorry, but this whole thing is making me a tad suspicious... I was going to write that myself. You're attacking. Am I supposed to just take that? Okay, I will. The whole defense debate had nothing to do with adam. |
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Echo wrote: SFG wrote: If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor. Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day. and once again Echo can come up with more devious strategies than i could in my normal mind imagine. Echo is way too pro for this. ._. hopefully he won't die on Day 1 this time cus last time i tried leading the town against the mafia in his stead we all died lol. Although i still hold my vote b/c don't want to risk lynching the doctor if he is real. I'm also really hoping im right to trust Echo here... Just a reminder that my mods are mostly *suggestion* on how to improve your map, not a *command* that you change it!
As a rule, I don't post suggestions in my mods because letting mappers choose their own solutions generally produces a solution more like their mapping style. If you want me to make suggestions, just ask me in IRC  20:49 <peppy> : sfg maps got ranked? 20:49 <peppy> : gimme sec id ill unrank I am currently not taking requests. |
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Saturos-fangirl wrote: Echo wrote: SFG wrote: If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor. Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day. and once again Echo can come up with more devious strategies than i could in my normal mind imagine. Echo is way too pro for this. You're right. You may have been deceived right there. |
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osu! Alumni 3,092 posts |
I asked the same question again in this post to which you requoted the same thing. I don't see how it's out of context.
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Echo wrote: I asked the same question again in this post to which you requoted the same thing. I don't see how it's out of context. Oops; when I read that I thought you were quoting your entire post, not part of it. |
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Ugh. I kept getting distracted by other things. >_<
But for now, I at least want to do this. (forgot to yesterday) Unvote Echo. |
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