15:59 Haruka: : don't like irc mods? ;3
15:59 Fiya: : I'll do IRC
15:59 Fiya: : o.o
15:59 Fiya: : most people don't want to 
15:59 Fiya: : orz
15:59 Haruka: : oh
15:59 Haruka: : derp
15:59 Haruka: : I'll do one right now if you'd like O:
16:00 Fiya: : sure :o
16:00 Haruka: : okay \:D/ I'll just point out whatever I found strange play wise
16:00 Fiya: : I don't ask for mods usually, but Dusty said he doesn't know any taiko modders xD
16:01 Haruka: : oh D: then I can help you both out then :3
16:01 Fiya: : \o/
16:01 Haruka: : and you didn't really ask, I offered ;3
16:01 Haruka: : okay so
16:01 Haruka: : your consistency is pretty spot on as expected of you
16:02 Fiya: : well
16:02 Haruka: : just some playability issues here and there which aren't really your fault
16:02 Fiya: : the song is pretty consistant
16:02 Haruka: : ofc
16:03 Haruka: : 00:18:790 (3) - 
16:04 Haruka: : remove finish?
16:05 Haruka: : that finish
16:05 Fiya: : I would remove it, but then the next two notes are kinda bland
16:05 Haruka: : alright, that's justified
16:06 Haruka: : it doesn't particularly sound bad, it's just not really accentuated from the two notes before it of the same kind
16:06 Fiya: : I wanted them all to be finishes
16:06 Fiya: : but I didn't want a 1/4 finish
16:06 Fiya: : even if it's onlt 100bpm
16:06 Haruka: : yeah, I see what that would've done
16:07 Haruka: : and although I would've suggested that, a bunch of kat finishers is
16:07 Haruka: : yeah, we don't want finish spam either
16:07 Haruka: : so what you have is fine
16:07 Fiya: : no
16:07 Fiya: : xD
16:07 Fiya: : although a lot of my maps do that
16:11 Haruka: : 00:21:340 (8) - 
16:11 Haruka: : okay here
16:11 Haruka: : this is what threw me off
16:11 Fiya: : yea
16:11 Fiya: : that throws me off in DT
16:11 Fiya: : I was following the piano that entire section
16:12 Haruka: : but for playabilty sake
16:12 Haruka: : er
16:12 Haruka: : hold on
16:12 Fiya: : I have another pattern in mind for there that'll probably work 
16:13 Fiya: : it breaks the quad flow completely 
16:13 Fiya: : so I might just change it anyway
16:13 Haruka: : are you also following the violin?
16:13 Fiya: : no
16:13 Fiya: : just piano
16:13 Haruka: : oh, my problem wasn't really the pattern itself, but more the 5-plet
16:13 Fiya: : yea
16:13 Fiya: : because there were so many 4's
16:13 Fiya: : and then a random 5
16:13 Fiya: : and more 4's
16:13 Haruka: : a 4 plet would play better considering the fact that you haven't introduced 5-lets yet and they've all been 4
16:13 Haruka: : yes
16:13 Haruka: : exactly
16:13 Haruka: : glad you picked that out xD
16:14 Fiya: : plus it starts on a quad tick
16:14 Fiya: : which is kinda wierd for a 5
16:14 Fiya: : alright
16:14 Fiya: : I'll change that
16:14 Haruka: : alright :3
16:15 Fiya: : remove the notes here 00:21:340 - and here 00:21:640 - then add a kat at 00:21:490 - 
16:15 Haruka: : most of your patterns are really nice
16:16 Fiya: : how does that seem?
16:16 Fiya: : and thanks :D
16:16 Fiya: : I had a little fun with the patterns since the bpm was so low
16:17 Haruka: : well fun turned into something very pretty >v< also, it seems fine now :D
16:17 Haruka: : though you could also make that a triple
16:17 Haruka: : if you wanted to
16:18 Haruka: : at here 00:21:640
16:18 Fiya: : you mean at 21:64-yea
16:18 Fiya: : I was just thinking that
16:18 Haruka: : :3
16:18 Haruka: : great minds think alike \:D/
16:18 Haruka: : not that we're great or anything xD in all modesty here :3
16:19 Fiya: : actually
16:19 Fiya: : 00:21:940 - try adding a kat here instead
16:19 Fiya: : it sounds better, but I'm not sure if that would flow better
16:20 Haruka: : you could do either :v
16:21 Fiya: : I'll do that one then
16:21 Fiya: : lolz
16:21 Haruka: : sorry for the lack of opinion there x~x
16:21 Fiya: : it's fine
16:22 Fiya: : oh
16:22 Fiya: : I just realized
16:22 Fiya: : I left all the unused inherited ticks at the end
16:22 Haruka: : o-o
16:22 Fiya: : derp
16:25 Haruka: : LOL
16:25 Haruka: : okayokay xD
16:25 Haruka: : alright uh
16:25 Haruka: : 00:46:390 (1) - 
16:25 Haruka: : these finished
16:25 Haruka: : er
16:25 Haruka: : finishes*
16:25 Fiya: : mm, do they play odd? they're meant to signify the end of that section
16:26 Haruka: : nono, they're a great use of finishes :3
16:26 Haruka: : um
16:26 Haruka: : the kat/don thing
16:26 Haruka: : you have
16:26 Haruka: : kat don don
16:26 Fiya: : I have K K D
16:26 Fiya: : lol
16:27 Haruka: : WOW I'm so sorry LOL I'm like playing around with the sounds and now I'm accusing you loooool
16:27 Haruka: : omg I'm really sorry xD
16:27 Fiya: : rofl
16:27 Fiya: : just exit and click update if you muss it up to the point you can't remember
16:27 Haruka: : yeah, I should probably do that xD and btw, K K D is exactly what I was going to recommend to you xD
16:28 Haruka: : but it was already there loooool
16:28 Fiya: : lmao
16:28 Fiya: : alright
16:28 Fiya: : uh
16:28 Fiya: : do you think
16:28 Fiya: : the speed up is too fast
16:28 Fiya: : cuz it's 1.4
16:28 Fiya: : 1.4x speed up*
16:28 Haruka: : yeah I noticed the speedups as strange, but I'll check again
16:29 Fiya: : I could tone it down to 1.2 and still have the same effect
16:29 Haruka: : I'll try that to help verify that for you o:
16:29 Fiya: : make sure you mark the end of the kiai as 1.2 as well so that the last note isn't all slow lol
16:30 Fiya: : cuz I like the way 1.4 looks with the previous 1.0
16:30 Fiya: : but going from 1.4 into the 0.8 is a little odd
16:31 Haruka: : yeah, I agree with the 1.4 in comparison to the 1.0
16:31 Haruka: : but
16:32 Haruka: : coming from 1.4 to 0.8 is really... odd
16:32 Fiya: : alright
16:32 Haruka: : though I didn't find it too bad
16:32 Haruka: : I think imo you should leave it 1.4 actually
16:32 Fiya: : I'll make sure to ask some more people about it
16:32 Haruka: : alright :3
16:32 Fiya: : it also kinda makes HR immpossible
16:32 Fiya: : lol
16:33 Fiya: : well
16:33 Fiya: : unless you can read really fucking fast
16:33 Fiya: : xD
16:33 Haruka: : challenge accepted after I mod this >:D
16:33 Haruka: : probably is LOL
16:33 Fiya: : it's pretty lol
16:33 Haruka: : if it is a bit weird on hr
16:33 Fiya: : I did it with HR DT
16:34 Fiya: : I don't wanna change the map to fit HR though
16:34 Haruka: : yeah
16:34 Fiya: : that's kinda stupid
16:34 Fiya: : lol
16:34 Haruka: : because it's all about normal play
16:34 Haruka: : yeah x~x
16:34 Fiya: : so
16:34 Fiya: : anything odd about the kiai
16:35 Fiya: : besides it being a little overmapped
16:35 Haruka: : oh, yes, before going out of the kiai and pointing things out
16:36 Haruka: : the doubles
16:36 Haruka: : particularly the first in the kiai
16:36 Fiya: : ther's only 1
16:36 Haruka: : threw me off constantly for some reason
16:36 Haruka: : but it's probably just me
16:36 Haruka: : oh
16:36 Haruka: : well derp
16:36 Fiya: : I added the doubles as another thing to make the kiai different from the previous patterns
16:37 Fiya: : since it's essentially the same exact base pattern
16:37 Fiya: : I just tried breaking it up in a way that was different from before
16:38 Fiya: : if they play wierd though
16:38 Haruka: : yes, it's quite alright xD nothing bad about it, and youjustified your point
16:38 Fiya: : I can change them pretty easily
16:38 Fiya: : alright, I'll keep that in mind then
16:38 Haruka: : nah, it's not o.o after test playing more, I think it was just me, dw
16:38 Fiya: : for later mods
16:38 Haruka: : alright
16:38 Haruka: : 01:10:390 (8) - 
16:38 Haruka: : don? o.o
16:39 Fiya: : I guess that is on an undertone
16:39 Fiya: : sure
16:39 Haruka: : yeah, that's why I suggested xD the rest of those noises sound okay
16:39 Fiya: : lol
16:39 Fiya: : I like wierd music
16:39 Fiya: : orz
16:40 Fiya: : I'll explain why it's so wierd after you finish if you want
16:40 Haruka: : sure :3 I like weird music too xD this song is lovely :D
16:40 Fiya: : Ken Nakagawa is an amazing composer
16:40 Fiya: : but yea
16:41 Fiya: : I'm sure there are more little things in that slow section
16:42 Haruka: : yup o: still going through them xD sorry if I'm a bit slow x~x
16:42 Fiya: : it's fine
16:42 Fiya: : I'm more than a little patient
16:42 Fiya: : xD
16:43 Haruka: : oh, thank goodness then Dx
16:43 Haruka: : 01:24:790 (1) - 
16:43 Haruka: : these finishers should be the same as the ones we previously talked about o.o
16:43 Fiya: : want that K K D like before
16:44 Fiya: : not sure why I used D
16:44 Haruka: : yes K K D sounds lovely like before :3
16:46 Haruka: : wanna justify this speedup for me? :3
16:46 Haruka: : 01:36:190 - 
16:46 Fiya: : it's because the music is becoming more dense
16:46 Fiya: : it's meant to be leading you into the next section
16:47 Fiya: : I did it at 01:16:690 - and 01:45:790 -  as well
16:47 Fiya: : all for the same reason
16:48 Haruka: : right, I checked up on it just now
16:48 Haruka: : your reason is reasonable
16:48 Fiya: : and because I don't want to go straight from 0.6 to 1.0 at 01:45:790 - 
16:48 Fiya: : :P
16:48 Haruka: : what a reasonable reason :D
16:48 Fiya: : lol
16:48 Fiya: : what aliterative aliteration
16:48 Haruka: : right, I like that xD I tend to be more leniant on flowing into density
16:48 Haruka: : LOL
16:48 Haruka: : creative :3
16:52 Haruka: : oh here, tell me about this:
16:52 Haruka: : 01:42:190 (10) - 
16:52 Haruka: : double k
16:52 Fiya: : honestly
16:52 Haruka: : when you've been doing d k d k d k
16:52 Fiya: : k d got boring
16:52 Fiya: : I can switch that back
16:53 Haruka: : yeah, true I guess OTL but there's really no reason to break consistency for another k
16:53 Fiya: : yea
16:53 Haruka: : unless you wanna add something
16:53 Fiya: : I'll swtch that back
16:53 Haruka: : alright, and the subsequent notes following preferably
16:53 Fiya: : yeap
16:53 Fiya: : including the 1/2 triples
16:54 Haruka: : yes
16:54 Fiya: : done
16:54 Haruka: : thank you :D and onto the final part of your map
16:54 Fiya: : I like this part the most
16:54 Fiya: : www
16:55 Haruka: : it's great T T nothing to point out :3 I really like that part :D
16:55 Fiya: : I do too
16:55 Fiya: : orz
16:55 Haruka: : :3
16:56 Haruka: : two last things
16:56 Haruka: : you removed those unused timing points, right?
16:56 Fiya: : yep
16:56 Haruka: : okay and last is this:
16:56 Haruka: : 02:06:190 (1) - 
16:56 Haruka: : calls for a finish :3 imho
16:56 Fiya: : kat or don
16:56 Fiya: : I've been thinking it need finish too
16:57 Fiya: : but both sound good
16:57 Haruka: : definitely agree with the finish
16:57 Haruka: : though don/kat
16:57 Haruka: : I'll check both
16:58 Fiya: : they both flow since there's nothing around it
16:58 Fiya: : lol
16:58 Fiya: : and they both sound good
16:58 Fiya: : idk which one to pick
16:58 Haruka: : I personally think don because of the lowness or however you wanna put it
16:58 Fiya: : I'll just do don for now then
16:58 Haruka: : right, and feel free to change if anyone else suggests kat to you and you like it

14:52 Fiya: : Excuse me, do you got a little extra time? I was wondering if you would take a look at a taiko I made recently since 
14:52 Fiya: : you seemed to like my older ones from what I've heard from Haruka and Nyquill
14:52 Makar: : lol sure you dont have to be formal about it
14:52 Fiya: : sorry
14:52 Fiya: : I'm nervous
14:52 Fiya: : xD
14:52 Makar: : multi
14:52 Makar: : line
14:52 Makar: : f
14:52 Makar: : t
14:52 Makar: : w
14:52 Makar: : :D
14:52 Fiya: : xD
14:53 Fiya: : I do that a lot
14:53 Fiya: : orz
14:53 Makar: : :<
14:53 : *Makar pats
14:53 : *Fiya is listening to (Ken Nakagawa - Tsuioku no Michishirube ~ Sono Ni)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/42158]
14:53 Fiya: : Haruka already sorta modded it yesterday
14:53 Makar: : downloading
14:53 Makar: : oh
14:53 Fiya: : thanks :D
14:53 Makar: : yeah I heard
14:53 Makar: : =w=
14:54 Fiya: : really?
14:54 Fiya: : lol
14:54 Makar: : yes
14:54 Makar: : downloading at slow internet so give me a sec
14:54 Fiya: : it's cool
14:54 Fiya: : I'm patient enough
14:54 Fiya: : xD
14:55 Makar: : going to play it first ofc
14:55 Fiya: : I would hope
14:55 Fiya: : orz
14:55 Makar: : no HD
14:55 Makar: : looool
14:55 Fiya: : lolz
14:55 Fiya: : too slow
14:55 Fiya: : xD
14:55 Makar: : yeah xD
14:58 Makar: : sorry for bad playing
14:58 Makar: : anyways 
14:58 Makar: : overall tis cool
14:58 Fiya: : idk
14:58 Fiya: : seemed better than me
14:58 Fiya: : now
14:59 Fiya: : there are 3 things that I was going to ask for opinions on along with whatever you have to say
14:59 Makar: : go ahead
14:59 Fiya: : alright, first the speed up on the kiai
15:00 Fiya: : it's 1.4 times
15:00 Fiya: : I was wondering if you think it would look better as 1.2
15:00 Fiya: : since I like both but can't really decide
15:01 Fiya: : I think going from 1.0 to 1.4 at the beginning looks better than 1.4 to 1.2, but going from 1.4 to 0.8 at the end is a 
15:01 Fiya: : little wierd
15:01 Fiya: : 1.0 to 1.2*
15:02 Makar: : I agree
15:02 Makar: : uhmmm
15:02 Makar: : you might hate me for suggesting this but what about using 1.2 at Kiai but changing overall SV to 1.6
15:03 Fiya: : why would I hate you for that
15:03 Fiya: : lol
15:03 Makar: : because a lot of people hate 1.6 suggestions
15:03 Makar: : xD
15:03 Makar: : I dont usually give them either
15:03 Fiya: : I generally don't change from 1.4 just because I like the way 1.4 looks but I never tried that yet
15:03 Makar: : and also the 0.8 wouldnt look so bad
15:03 Fiya: : so I'll try that now I guess
15:03 Makar: : 1.4 SV at 0.8 is like realllly slow and close together 
15:03 Makar: : its already slow bpm
15:04 Fiya: : yea
15:04 Makar: : and it makes the blue tick patterns a bit harder to read when everything is closer
15:04 Fiya: : there's only 1 1/4th note though in the 0.8
15:04 Fiya: : so I figured it would be okay
15:04 Fiya: : but checking out 1.6 anyway
15:04 Makar: : true lol
15:05 Makar: :  btw random but can you do me a favour
15:05 Fiya: : what's up
15:05 Makar: : nyquill asked me to do a taiko for him but I really cant do it anytime soon (its a TV size map)
15:05 Makar: : wanna collab or something
15:05 Fiya: : yes I can
15:06 Fiya: : tv size taiko takes me like 2 hours alone
15:06 Fiya: : so w/e
15:06 Makar: : lol
15:06 Makar: : k after looking at this map ill explain more
15:07 Fiya: : the 1.6 actually doesn't look that bad
15:07 Makar: : I like the thing you did with the SV at the end btw
15:08 Fiya: : what did I do
15:08 Makar: : really smooth o.ob
15:08 Fiya: : oh the speed ups?
15:08 Makar: : speedup yeah
15:08 Fiya: : well
15:08 Fiya: : when the map is slow
15:08 Fiya: : you have to be creative somehow
15:08 Fiya: : xD
15:08 Makar: : yeah xD
15:09 Fiya: : I think
15:09 Fiya: : before changing to 1.6 I would like a couple more opinions
15:09 Makar: : alright
15:09 Fiya: : cuz still I like both
15:09 Makar: : you could ask haruka about it later I guess
15:09 Fiya: : yea
15:09 Fiya: : we didn't really discuss 1.6
15:10 Fiya: : just
15:10 Fiya: : what do you think would look better without changing the main sv
15:10 Makar: : yeah
15:10 Makar: : 1.2 would be better eitherway imo btw
15:10 Makar: : at kiai
15:10 Fiya: : lolz
15:11 Fiya: : 1 for 1.4 and 1 for 1.2 so far
15:11 Fiya: : xD
15:11 Makar: : I kinda think of it like
15:11 Makar: : this map is going to be DT+HD'd
15:11 Fiya: : it is
15:11 Fiya: : a lot
15:11 Makar: : the big change in SV
15:11 Makar: : makes HD a pain
15:11 Makar: : no matter the BPM
15:11 Makar: : if its big like that its hard to adjust
15:12 Makar: : (im an HD only player btw)
15:12 Fiya: : I saw
15:12 Fiya: : xD
15:12 Makar: : so yeah its not just what looks better but playability as well xD
15:12 Fiya: : I don't want to like kick you or anything, but I don't really map for the mods orz
15:12 Makar: : not sure what their argument for 1.4 was
15:12 Makar: : well yeah ofc it shouldnt be the only reasoning
15:13 Makar: : I mean,
15:13 Makar: : if its harder to HD, that also means its harder to adjust to without mods for newer players
15:13 Fiya: : true
15:13 Makar: : just think of it like a handicap I guess
15:13 Fiya: : derp, you see why I asked
15:14 Fiya: : alright
15:14 Fiya: : for now I'll go with the sv change to 1.2
15:14 Fiya: : but keep 1.4 for main
15:14 Makar: : alright
15:14 Fiya: : since as you said lots of people don't like 1.6 for some reason
15:15 Makar: : most of the time its because they dont like non-authentic stuff
15:15 Makar: : idk
15:15 Fiya: : >non-authentic
15:15 Fiya: : >playing taiko on a keyboard
15:15 Makar: : exactly lol
15:15 Fiya: : I don't understand
15:15 Fiya: : lol
15:16 Fiya: : well anyway
15:16 Makar: : I hate it when people use authenticy as an excuse when there is no other reasoning behind it
15:16 Makar: : ex no breaks in taiko
15:16 Fiya: : nothing is authentic about taiko in this game
15:16 Fiya: : xD
15:16 Makar: : well there are things like
15:16 Makar: : finisher rules
15:16 Makar: : but they have other reasons
15:16 Makar: : besides authenticy
15:16 Makar: : xD
15:16 Fiya: : mainly
15:16 Fiya: : they are immpossible to play when you use them wrong
15:17 Makar: : yeah exactly
15:17 Makar: : anyways
15:17 Makar: : uh
15:17 Makar: : what else did you want opinions on
15:17 Fiya: : the other two things
15:17 Fiya: : uhm
15:17 Fiya: : the last note
15:17 Fiya: : K and D both fit to me
15:18 Fiya: : do you think D sounds better or K
15:18 Fiya: : Haruka said she liked D
15:18 Makar: : I like D
15:18 Fiya: : then I'll keep D
15:18 Fiya: : and you kind of answered the other one already
15:19 Fiya: : I was gonna ask if you liked the speed ups after kiai
15:19 Makar: : I already told you I liked those
15:19 Makar: : xD
15:19 Makar: : yeah
15:19 Fiya: : I know
15:19 Fiya: : xD
15:19 Makar: : alright uh ill go through it a bit more for pattern suggestions now I guess
15:20 Fiya: : mm
15:20 Makar: : oh uh
15:20 Makar: : soft hitsounds
15:21 Fiya: : what about them
15:21 Makar: : they dont really sound good when using the non-taiko theme imo
15:21 Makar: : lol
15:21 Fiya: : neither do the normal ones
15:21 Fiya: : orz
15:21 Makar: : lemme compare actually one sec
15:22 Fiya: : unless I don't remember them right
15:22 Fiya: : and they actually do sound good
15:23 Makar: : yeah I like the normal ones better
15:23 Makar: : just my opinion though I guess
15:23 Fiya: : I never map taiko without taiko hitsounds so I tend to forget that they're different
15:23 Makar: : same
15:23 Makar: : I use the taiko hitsounds too xD
15:24 Fiya: : but yea I can change that 
15:24 Fiya: : it's just switch to normal set and find a lower volume
15:24 Fiya: : lolz
15:24 Makar: : yup
15:25 Makar: : 00:21:190 (7,8,9,10,11) - 
15:25 Makar: : what about following piano here like you did everywhere else o.o
15:25 Makar: : dk dk d
15:25 Fiya: : I did before
15:25 Fiya: : what it ended up as though
15:26 Fiya: : was a 5 in the middle of a bunch of 4's
15:26 Fiya: : which played wierd
15:26 Fiya: : cuz it was originally dkddk dk d K starting 00:20:740 - 
15:27 Makar: : yeah
15:27 Fiya: : the 5 kind of throw's of the quad flow of that section
15:27 Makar: : I see
15:28 Fiya: : so I tried following the violin like haruka suggested instead of the piano there to keep the flow better
15:28 Makar: : mhm
15:29 Makar: : okay um
15:29 Makar: : while test playing
15:30 Makar: : 00:40:090 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18) - this area/section/whatever felt weird to play and I assume 
15:30 Makar: : its because you stop following the drums for a bit and follow the cello or whatever the hell it is
15:31 Makar: : ex
15:31 Makar: : 00:40:390 - d here 
15:31 Makar: : 00:40:840 - remove
15:31 Makar: : 00:41:440 - note here
15:32 Makar: : 00:42:040 - remove
15:32 Makar: : etc
15:32 Fiya: : actually it was less me not following the drums and more just trying not to repeat the same patterns too much
15:32 Makar: : and then you start following the drums again here 00:41:890 - 
15:33 Makar: : I see what you mean but I dont think the drum is constantly doing the same pattern
15:33 Fiya: : it isn't
15:33 Makar: : so to me it would be okay to follow the drums in this section to be consistent withen the kiai
15:34 Makar: : just my opinion though xD
15:34 Fiya: : lol
15:34 Fiya: : that's what a mod is though
15:34 Fiya: : is an opnion
15:34 Fiya: : I am
15:34 Fiya: : taking it into account
15:34 Fiya: : and trying things
15:35 Makar: : thats all for me to point out btw
15:35 Fiya: : so if I did that there though
15:35 Fiya: : 00:35:290 - shouldn't I change this too
15:36 Fiya: : since it is essentially the same thing
15:36 Makar: : it is 
15:36 Makar: : but eh
15:36 Makar: : I didnt find it awkward to play
15:36 Fiya: : 00:44:890 - here too
15:36 Fiya: : lol
15:36 Makar: : I only pointed it out in the kiai because it actually felt wierd
15:36 Fiya: : well
15:36 Fiya: : lolz
15:38 Fiya: : hmm
15:38 Fiya: : if I change the one time you pointed out
15:39 Fiya: : it is consistent with the kiai then
15:39 Makar: : mhm o.o
15:39 Fiya: : then I'll just change that one
15:39 Fiya: : xD
15:39 Makar: : lol
15:39 Fiya: : I don't know
15:39 Fiya: : I was thinking too hard
15:39 Makar: : you can also just get more opinions too if they think th eothers should be changed too
15:40 Makar: : but the others are fine imo xD
15:40 Fiya: : yea
15:40 Fiya: : I guess I'll just add that into what I ask first
15:40 Fiya: : lol
15:40 Makar: : alright o.o