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Ceui - Haruoto*Veil

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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2018年1月24日 星期三 at 22:58:41

Artist: Ceui
Title: Haruoto*Veil
Source: 春音アリス＊グラム
Tags: Haruoto Alice*Gram Galgame Eroge Opening Short Version NanaWind Oiso Imouto koko Imouto OuO Ametrin
BPM: 180
Filesize: 5060kb
Play Time: 01:38
Difficulties Available:
  1. Alice Gram (5.41 stars, 390 notes)
  2. Collab Easy (1.52 stars, 112 notes)
  3. Hard (3.3 stars, 282 notes)
  4. koko's Insane (4.55 stars, 402 notes)
  5. Normal (2.02 stars, 157 notes)
  6. Oiso's Insane (4.98 stars, 440 notes)
Download: Ceui - Haruoto*Veil
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Alice Gram: Dored
Oiso's Insane: Oiso
koko's Insane: Imouto koko
Hard: Dored
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Nomination: sahuang and Kencho
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Pata-Mon
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2017-10-07 21:07 [DarkStar]: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1434320 Ceui - Haruoto*Veil]
2017-10-07 21:10 Pata-Mon: 作为第一次做来讲 非常不错
2017-10-07 21:11 Pata-Mon: 从rank角度来讲最大的问题可能是整体位置
2017-10-07 21:11 Pata-Mon: 你全选一下
2017-10-07 21:11 Pata-Mon: 看看你摆的东西都在啥位置
2017-10-07 21:11 Pata-Mon: 然后打开一张别的图全选一下
2017-10-07 21:11 Pata-Mon: 看看别人的东西在什么位置
2017-10-07 21:13 [DarkStar]: 就是说太集中了没有把所有位置都用到吗?
2017-10-07 21:13 Pata-Mon: 对
2017-10-07 21:13 Pata-Mon: 而且你要了解下编辑器里可以摆到什么位置
2017-10-07 21:14 Pata-Mon: 比如摆到最下方，编辑器里出屏幕的位置，实际却不一定出
2017-10-07 21:14 Pata-Mon: 基本上来讲，纵坐标可以摆在0-384
2017-10-07 21:14 Pata-Mon: 横坐标是0-512
2017-10-07 21:14 Pata-Mon: 看右上角显示的坐标，也就是每个note的中心坐标
2017-10-07 21:14 Pata-Mon: 所以可用空间比你这个要广很多
2017-10-07 21:15 Pata-Mon: 然后说其他问题
2017-10-07 21:15 Pata-Mon: 首先的话是nc太频繁了
2017-10-07 21:15 Pata-Mon: 低难度完全没必要这么多nc
2017-10-07 21:15 Pata-Mon: 像你这图
2017-10-07 21:15 Pata-Mon: 固定每小节一个nc足够
2017-10-07 21:16 Pata-Mon: 00:08:135 (1) - 像这种单独的nc
2017-10-07 21:16 Pata-Mon: 都十分莫名其妙且多余
2017-10-07 21:16 [DarkStar]: nc是什么？
2017-10-07 21:16 Pata-Mon: new combo
2017-10-07 21:16 [DarkStar]: 哦哦
2017-10-07 21:16 Pata-Mon: 下nc要有一个固定的逻辑，最常见的就是固定一小节或者多长时间一次nc
2017-10-07 21:17 Pata-Mon: 一般情况下不用太频繁
2017-10-07 21:17 [DarkStar]: 嗯嗯
2017-10-07 21:17 Pata-Mon: 然后排列方面，已经不错了，但两个方向要注意
2017-10-07 21:17 Pata-Mon: 一方面是细节，很多包，其实明显能看出包歪了
2017-10-07 21:18 Pata-Mon: 位置关系方面 00:03:802 (2,4) - 像这种不直接相邻的物件
2017-10-07 21:18 Pata-Mon: 其实也用你的标准ds
2017-10-07 21:18 Pata-Mon: 会更整洁吧
2017-10-07 21:19 Pata-Mon: 00:52:969 (2,2) - 然后像这样的无意义overlap
2017-10-07 21:19 Pata-Mon: 就是重叠，或者擦边
2017-10-07 21:19 Pata-Mon: 00:59:969 (2,1) - 
2017-10-07 21:19 Pata-Mon: 也都会比较难看
2017-10-07 21:19 Pata-Mon: 总之细节如果全都做到位，一眼看上去感受是不同的，会舒服很多
2017-10-07 21:20 Pata-Mon: 然后最后说节奏
2017-10-07 21:20 Pata-Mon: 节奏基本已经做到可以玩，但是可提高的空间也不小
2017-10-07 21:20 Pata-Mon: 00:07:969 (3,1) - 比如这里，你在跟的是高的钢琴音对吧
2017-10-07 21:20 Pata-Mon: 那是不是这里换成一个1/2的折返滑条比较好
2017-10-07 21:21 Pata-Mon: 00:08:135 - 这里就没必要clickable
2017-10-07 21:21 [DarkStar]: 嗯 是
2017-10-07 21:21 Pata-Mon: 等等 我突然发现你timing不对
2017-10-07 21:21 Pata-Mon: 红线位置错了半拍
2017-10-07 21:22 [DarkStar]: ...
2017-10-07 21:22 Pata-Mon: 你看 每小节是在00:23:969 - 00:25:302 - 00:26:635 - 00:27:969 - 00:29:302 - ……这些地方开始的
2017-10-07 21:22 Pata-Mon: 所以你红线应该也往后错半拍
2017-10-07 21:22 Pata-Mon: 00:01:302 - 就是放在这里
2017-10-07 21:23 Pata-Mon: 当然这样你就需要在红线前放东西了，所以你也可以再减去一小节的时长，也就是offset用负数
2017-10-07 21:23 Pata-Mon: 这是允许的
2017-10-07 21:23 Pata-Mon: 好先接着说节奏
2017-10-07 21:23 [DarkStar]: 原来这样啊 我还以为是从第一个音开始
2017-10-07 21:23 Pata-Mon: 顺带一提 你开没开自动保存聊天记录
2017-10-07 21:24 [DarkStar]: 在设置里吗 我看一眼
2017-10-07 21:24 [DarkStar]: 原来没开 现在开了
2017-10-07 21:24 Pata-Mon: 如果没开的话建议开开，尤其对于麻婆很有用
2017-10-07 21:25 Pata-Mon: 你可以/savelog存之前的日志
2017-10-07 21:25 [DarkStar]: 开之前的话也能保存到吗
2017-10-07 21:25 Pata-Mon: 不能
2017-10-07 21:25 Pata-Mon: 你可以打我说的那个命令
2017-10-07 21:25 Pata-Mon: 你没关聊天框的话
2017-10-07 21:25 [DarkStar]: 好的好的
2017-10-07 21:26 Pata-Mon: 00:33:135 (1) - 这里你跟的奇怪
2017-10-07 21:26 Pata-Mon: 前面基本都挺好，很明显地在跟人声（vocal）
2017-10-07 21:26 Pata-Mon: 00:33:302 - 这里是人声+鼓的重音（调完offset你也会发现这里也是一小节的开始）
2017-10-07 21:26 Pata-Mon: 这里应该clickable会比较好
2017-10-07 21:27 Pata-Mon: 00:39:969 - 然后这里，虽然没有人声，但是节奏上的重音，除了是小节开始外还有锣声
2017-10-07 21:27 Pata-Mon: 最好也clickable
2017-10-07 21:28 Pata-Mon: 然后还有就是没有人声的那些地方，你哪里跟哪里不跟好像不太有逻辑
2017-10-07 21:28 Pata-Mon: 1/4的音也是，跟不跟的选择比较随意
2017-10-07 21:28 Pata-Mon: 00:42:219 - 比如这个1/4可以说非常明显
2017-10-07 21:29 Pata-Mon: 不知道为啥没跟
2017-10-07 21:29 Pata-Mon: 00:50:969 (2,3) - 这里 你跟vocal的话，感觉ctrl+G下节奏更好吧
2017-10-07 21:30 Pata-Mon: 00:56:219 - 这里漏1/4页比较难受，加个note比较好
2017-10-07 21:30 Pata-Mon: 01:06:302 (1) - 不太建议这种1/2的多次折返
2017-10-07 21:30 Pata-Mon: 这种只有老图里比较常见
2017-10-07 21:30 Pata-Mon: 新图都不怎么用了 因为很难读而且不舒服
2017-10-07 21:31 Pata-Mon: 01:15:969 - 这里也是，虽没有vocal，但伴奏是非常重的音
2017-10-07 21:31 Pata-Mon: 01:23:969 (1,2) - 这种遮挡不太建议，尤其还是挡了折返箭头
2017-10-07 21:32 Pata-Mon: 就先这些吧，很多我没提到的地方也要多考虑下哪里该空哪里不该空
2017-10-07 21:32 Pata-Mon: 这方面是有些随意，我没都挑
2017-10-07 21:35 [DarkStar]: 嗯 主要是感觉有很多音 哪边都想就乎 然后有些乱了 以后我会好好想想怎么跟的
zhuizhui
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Pata 太强啦


首先timing， offset 建议1162，可以根据这个值进行你觉得音乐在的点进行上调下调， 因为貌似有点小提前。

Hard
00:07:968 (1) - 这里拉个1/1的条岂不美哉 w

00:10:829 (1,2,3) - 这三个做成00:09:829 (2,3,4) - 跟这三个一样感觉好一点，音乐上对称。

00:14:802 (1) - 1/1 的条 -w- 因为你看 你00:14:135 (4) - 音乐上面是哒哒哒， 然后00:14:802 (1) 只有一声，不如跟00:15:302 (2) - 做个blanket？
00:15:302 (2) - 然后这里可以改成一个单点试试效果

00:17:302 (1) - 这儿拉成折返如何？ 00:18:135 (3) - 然后这里单点 00:18:302 (4) - 这里拉个1/4 然后折返

00:18:635 (1) - 做成跟00:15:968 (1,2) - 00:18:802 (2) - 这里做个1/2然后折返

00:20:135 (6) - 加个点比较好？我不确定，其实这里有音但很难听见， 但是加一个圈， 感觉舒服一点？

00:22:802 - 00:23:135 - 00:23:468 - 00:23:635 - 这四个地方都有轻微鼓声， 但声音较小可以试下调下sample 音量， 但00:23:385 - 这儿有一段哒哒哒哒哒哒 -w- 可以1/4折返几次？ 看你怎么处理，我个人倾向于鼓声， 如果是insane又能做成串了>>

才发现你后面有三连，不如试着做成串？

我后面又听了听才听到第三种音orz 可以试着这样00:22:802 (1) - 条 00:23:135 (2) - 圈 00:23:302 (3) - 圈 00:23:468 (4) - 1/2，然后折返

00:25:135 (5) - 00:31:635 (4) - 00:50:635 (5) - 这里建议做个1/2条， >。>

00:36:135 (1,2,3,4) - 做成跟这里一样？00:25:468 (1,2,1) -

00:37:302 (1) - 这个地方感觉没必要nc

00:38:468 (4) - 这里做成个折返如何？

01:21:635 (7) - 这里试着减缓一下速度吧，，不然我觉得你后面就显得有点突兀

目前暂时就前面的问题，，kial 那段挺好，就是你改了timing别忘了重新设置下kial

01:15:968 (5) - 01:25:218 (2,3) - 这个，，有点丑不得不说。。。

01:07:968 (1,2) - 这两个挺棒的！！
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-Kyouka- wrote:

Pata 太强啦


首先timing， offset 建议1162，可以根据这个值进行你觉得音乐在的点进行上调下调， 因为貌似有点小提前。 1162？试了一下好像不太对..不过我仔细听了一些好像是有一点小提前 我会适当调整一下的 至于像现在设置负offset是pata说的我觉得没有问题
Hard
00:07:968 (1) - 这里拉个1/1的条岂不美哉 w 因为前奏的钢琴一直分高音部分和低音部分 我是确保了高音clickable然后让低音部分也有音效 不过低音部分好像确实存在感比较低直接略过去也可以 这点我回来会再考虑考虑的
00:10:829 (1,2,3) - 这三个做成00:09:829 (2,3,4) - 跟这三个一样感觉好一点，音乐上对称。 好

00:14:802 (1) - 1/1 的条 -w- 因为你看 你00:14:135 (4) - 音乐上面是哒哒哒， 然后00:14:802 (1) 只有一声，不如跟00:15:302 (2) - 做个blanket？
00:15:302 (2) - 然后这里可以改成一个单点试试效果 00:14:802 (1) - 也是和上面说的一样钢琴低音的问题 我会考虑的

00:17:302 (1) - 这儿拉成折返如何？ 00:18:135 (3) - 然后这里单点 00:18:302 (4) - 这里拉个1/4 然后折返 好

00:18:635 (1) - 做成跟00:15:968 (1,2) - 00:18:802 (2) - 这里做个1/2然后折返 好

00:20:135 (6) - 加个点比较好？我不确定，其实这里有音但很难听见， 但是加一个圈， 感觉舒服一点？ 确实感觉顺畅很多 就是塞得有点满 但我觉得可以有
00:22:802 - 00:23:135 - 00:23:468 - 00:23:635 - 这四个地方都有轻微鼓声， 但声音较小可以试下调下sample 音量， 但00:23:385 - 这儿有一段哒哒哒哒哒哒 -w- 可以1/4折返几次？ 看你怎么处理，我个人倾向于鼓声， 如果是insane又能做成串了>>

才发现你后面有三连，不如试着做成串？

我后面又听了听才听到第三种音orz 可以试着这样00:22:802 (1) - 条 00:23:135 (2) - 圈 00:23:302 (3) - 圈 00:23:468 (4) - 1/2，然后折返 前面可以 最后那个折返我考虑一下
00:25:135 (5) - 00:31:635 (4) - 00:50:635 (5) - 这里建议做个1/2条， >。> 停顿一下是感觉这样比较有节奏 但vocal确实拉了点长音 很纠结 我按你说的改吧

00:36:135 (1,2,3,4) - 做成跟这里一样？00:25:468 (1,2,1) - 主要是考虑到00:36:802 (3) - 这里有1/4的连续鼓声才做成这样的 我再看看吧

00:37:302 (1) - 这个地方感觉没必要nc 啊？我这里怎么看我是4 没有nc呢233 不知道怎么回事

00:38:468 (4) - 这里做成个折返如何？ 好

01:21:635 (7) - 这里试着减缓一下速度吧，，不然我觉得你后面就显得有点突兀 我会调整的

目前暂时就前面的问题，，kial 那段挺好，就是你改了timing别忘了重新设置下kial

01:15:968 (5) - 01:25:218 (2,3) - 这个，，有点丑不得不说。。。 这样其实比一个单点 然后三连打打起来稍微简单一点..我会调整的

01:07:968 (1,2) - 这两个挺棒的！！ 谢谢~


感谢大佬的mod！
zhuizhui
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Pata-Mon
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快速过一遍
ez
节奏不算很理想吧，只能说能接受．像这种vocal节奏复杂的情况下去只vocal，ez基本上都是不太找得到节奏的，因为vocal很密你就不可能在ez里全都跟到，那你跟什么不跟什么就很谜，然后这重音跟鼓点还是错位的，就比较难找．
说几个最不合适的．00:33:136 (2) - 00:48:969 (3) - 这种都是只是找了个第一个vocal就当起点，然而第一个vocal根本不重
然后整体节奏结构比较奇怪，kiai几乎是最疏最简单的部分……
这种歌想一开始就在ez下好跟vocal的节奏太难了，跟鼓会比较简单一些．
其他的问题
00:42:969 (1,2) - ez不要stack，这种隔比较久的也不需要完全ds，稍微远点就行了
整体排列倒是还挺好看

normal
00:14:803 (3,4) - normal虽然可以stack，但不要用混合的stack（就是有的stack是1/2 有的是1/1 有的是什么什么），这样很难读，所有stack都固定一个gap是最好的，一般来讲都是最小的gap，比如你这个难度就只有1/2可以stack是最好的，其他都不要stack
00:18:636 (1) - 这种扭的地方重叠部分过大的滑条不是很建议在低难度用，比如这个就很容易被读成1/1滑条
然后节奏方面还是这问题，只跟vocal常常很难受．其实你打老图的时候是不是经常感觉找不到节奏？原因常常就是老图常常就无视鼓点只跟vocal，这样的节奏让别人去打往往都是很难抓的．不过normal节奏密度本身就比ez高，所以其实效果比ez好不少
排列挺好

hard
这难度就做得很不错了，已经是经过mod后可以rank的水准，并且摆得还比较好看
00:36:803 (4) - 这样突然折返3次是很难读的．这种节奏的话，如果是重音起（一般是白线），可以改成https://puu.sh/ysJOs/69907a8d83.png，如果是弱音起（一般是红线），可以改成https://puu.sh/ysJNs/1975b4ef66.png，像这里就是弱起用后面那种会比较好
00:38:469 (1) - 在00:38:803 - 结束然后00:38:969 - 放个圈（或者1/2滑条，因为00:39:136 - 其实完全没必要用圈跟）会比较好
00:46:136 (3,1) - 00:46:803 (2,3) - 这种overlap会比较迷……正常放就好
00:47:969 (1,2) - 稍微有一点风险，因为视觉ds的关系看起来会比较像1/2gap
00:59:969 (1,2) - 同上
01:02:636 - 这里是重音，01:02:469 - 这里一个圈然后01:02:636 - 开始滑条会比较好
01:21:303 (1,3) - 碰到了

主难度做得挺不错的 没啥太大问题 感觉差不多能rank
最难跳那里有点overdone了，没有那么合曲．然后有些小擦边之类的细节懒得挑了，可以自己看看
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Pata-Mon wrote:

快速过一遍
ez
节奏不算很理想吧，只能说能接受．像这种vocal节奏复杂的情况下去只vocal，ez基本上都是不太找得到节奏的，因为vocal很密你就不可能在ez里全都跟到，那你跟什么不跟什么就很谜，然后这重音跟鼓点还是错位的，就比较难找．
说几个最不合适的．00:33:136 (2) - 00:48:969 (3) - 这种都是只是找了个第一个vocal就当起点，然而第一个vocal根本不重
然后整体节奏结构比较奇怪，kiai几乎是最疏最简单的部分……
这种歌想一开始就在ez下好跟vocal的节奏太难了，跟鼓会比较简单一些．
其他的问题
00:42:969 (1,2) - ez不要stack，这种隔比较久的也不需要完全ds，稍微远点就行了
整体排列倒是还挺好看

normal
00:14:803 (3,4) - normal虽然可以stack，但不要用混合的stack（就是有的stack是1/2 有的是1/1 有的是什么什么），这样很难读，所有stack都固定一个gap是最好的，一般来讲都是最小的gap，比如你这个难度就只有1/2可以stack是最好的，其他都不要stack
00:18:636 (1) - 这种扭的地方重叠部分过大的滑条不是很建议在低难度用，比如这个就很容易被读成1/1滑条
然后节奏方面还是这问题，只跟vocal常常很难受．其实你打老图的时候是不是经常感觉找不到节奏？原因常常就是老图常常就无视鼓点只跟vocal，这样的节奏让别人去打往往都是很难抓的．不过normal节奏密度本身就比ez高，所以其实效果比ez好不少
排列挺好

hard
这难度就做得很不错了，已经是经过mod后可以rank的水准，并且摆得还比较好看
00:36:803 (4) - 这样突然折返3次是很难读的．这种节奏的话，如果是重音起（一般是白线），可以改成https://puu.sh/ysJOs/69907a8d83.png，如果是弱音起（一般是红线），可以改成https://puu.sh/ysJNs/1975b4ef66.png，像这里就是弱起用后面那种会比较好
00:38:469 (1) - 在00:38:803 - 结束然后00:38:969 - 放个圈（或者1/2滑条，因为00:39:136 - 其实完全没必要用圈跟）会比较好
00:46:136 (3,1) - 00:46:803 (2,3) - 这种overlap会比较迷……正常放就好
00:47:969 (1,2) - 稍微有一点风险，因为视觉ds的关系看起来会比较像1/2gap
00:59:969 (1,2) - 同上
01:02:636 - 这里是重音，01:02:469 - 这里一个圈然后01:02:636 - 开始滑条会比较好
01:21:303 (1,3) - 碰到了

主难度做得挺不错的 没啥太大问题 感觉差不多能rank
最难跳那里有点overdone了，没有那么合曲．然后有些小擦边之类的细节懒得挑了，可以自己看看
针对Normal、Hard所有建议均已采纳 对于easy我打算remap一下 主难度的话我会看情况改的
感谢摸图！
sodarose
607 posts
Joined July 2011
sodarose
[Alice Gram]
00:23:969 (1) - 到00:32:969 (4) - 这里这段跟人声感觉效果不太好，我比较喜欢跟鼓
00:51:969 (1,1) - 01:02:136 (5,2) - 有些stack歪了
01:22:136 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 我不喜欢为了下梗而牺牲节奏跟手感。前面都是随着音乐加大间距了为什么这里突然来了个急刹车缩小间距


[Normal]
00:14:136 (2,3,4) - 你的间距很奇怪啊
00:23:969 (1) - 到 00:42:636 (6) - 我觉得节奏需要remap。pata也说了你完全无视了鼓跟的人声。你会发现好像毫无节奏感，而且音效也不知道怎么下。kiai段就好很多


现在新人这么强的吗
Dored
287 posts
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Topic Starter
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sodarose wrote:

[Alice Gram]
00:23:969 (1) - 到00:32:969 (4) - 这里这段跟人声感觉效果不太好，我比较喜欢跟鼓 这段我需要考虑一下 没想好要不要重做 效果确实不是很理想
00:51:969 (1,1) - 01:02:136 (5,2) - 有些stack歪了 改了
01:22:136 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 我不喜欢为了下梗而牺牲节奏跟手感。前面都是随着音乐加大间距了为什么这里突然来了个急刹车缩小间距 改了


[Normal]
00:14:136 (2,3,4) - 你的间距很奇怪啊 ...之前改摸时动了动没注意疏忽了 改了
00:23:969 (1) - 到 00:42:636 (6) - 我觉得节奏需要remap。pata也说了你完全无视了鼓跟的人声。你会发现好像毫无节奏感，而且音效也不知道怎么下。kiai段就好很多 好的 这段我会remap的


现在新人这么强的吗

感谢摸图！
Imouto koko
95 posts
Joined January 2016
Imouto koko
from mod req
怎么hard点了下update也突然没了……
easy和hard都re了吗。
[Normal]
  1. 00:48:803 - 这段跟轨有点乱啊，如果是鼓的话这里应该有个圈，把00:48:969 (3) - 移到这个地方来。
  2. 00:51:303 (2,3) - 如果全程跟人声的话那么00:51:303 (2,3) - 这里又不是人声了，如果是鼓的话，2和3交换一下位置吧。
[Alice Gram]
  1. 00:10:303 (4,1) - 再远一点比较好。
  2. 01:17:803 (2,3) - 这个急刹感觉不是太有节奏或者旋律支撑，可以考虑3放01:18:136 (1) - 的右上方。

排列挺干净的，喜欢这图 :)
GL
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Imouto koko wrote:

from mod req
怎么hard点了下update也突然没了…… 这个Hard总提示更新一更新就清空 我也很头疼
easy和hard都re了吗。
[Normal]
  1. 00:48:803 - 这段跟轨有点乱啊，如果是鼓的话这里应该有个圈，把00:48:969 (3) - 移到这个地方来。 好的
  2. 00:51:303 (2,3) - 如果全程跟人声的话那么00:51:303 (2,3) - 这里又不是人声了，如果是鼓的话，2和3交换一下位置吧。 好的
[Alice Gram]
  1. 00:10:303 (4,1) - 再远一点比较好。 改了
  2. 01:17:803 (2,3) - 这个急刹感觉不是太有节奏或者旋律支撑，可以考虑3放01:18:136 (1) - 的右上方。 好的我试试

排列挺干净的，喜欢这图 :) 谢谢！
GL
对于normal我准备把从前奏结束到kiai前的部分remap一下 低难度跟人声效果确实不好
感谢摸图！
Ametrin
717 posts
Joined May 2012
Ametrin
qtmd毕设 摸图要紧(x
更新完全图消失是什么bug

[Easy]
00:09:323 (3) - 低难度要避免全部用滑条（具体参考guildline） 虽然塞爆了估计也没人会怼这点……不过这个滑条还是可以改两单点的
00:13:323 (1) - ctrl+g？在低难度最好别在休息后突然从角落开始
00:17:323 (3,4) - 前面跟背景这里突然跟人声感觉很怪诶 试试继续跟钢琴？
00:23:989 - 怎么就开始1/2塞爆了……这里就弄满那和kiai有啥区别 这里跟人声就好
00:34:656 - 这里开始的强度也有点过……但是考虑到音乐变强了 这样也行 不过还是滑条太多了 找地方放几个圈 比如00:43:656 (2) - 留首尾两个圈就行
01:09:323 (2) - 把这个删掉都行
滑条太多 节奏太密 摆的还行

[Normal]
00:03:489 (5) - 只留首尾两个圈 保持和00:01:156 (1,2) - 一致
00:07:156 (2) - 删掉 没必要
00:11:656 - 放个转盘 低难度转盘不嫌多（x）
01:09:656 (4) - 我是觉得这个没必要
01:11:989 (3,4) - 用01:01:323 (3,4,5) - 的节奏 一致性
01:35:656 (3) - 不用折返 后面转盘提到白线来（顺便在normal里转盘前面至少留1/2的空）

[Hard]
00:06:656 (1,2) - 改成前面折返一次后面单点？全是普通滑条还全是横的实在有点单调
00:43:323 (3) - ctrl+g 后面重音强调下

[Alice Gram]
00:02:989 (2) - ctrl+g 这四个音和前面的区别可以这样体现一下
00:05:656 (2) - ^
00:04:989 (3,4,1) - 间距为啥这么点 和前面滑条之间的间距一样不好吗
00:28:989 (6) - 空拍太多

水完了 GL
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Topic Starter
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Ametrin wrote:

qtmd毕设 摸图要紧(x 比个yink
更新完全图消失是什么bug omg enh都有这个bug 问过qat让我暂且无视掉这个bug

[Easy]
00:09:323 (3) - 低难度要避免全部用滑条（具体参考guildline） 虽然塞爆了估计也没人会怼这点……不过这个滑条还是可以改两单点的 这个改成两个单点？首尾吗？那样感觉很违和啊 其他的也想不出怎么改比较好 先keep 看看别人怎么说
00:13:323 (1) - ctrl+g？在低难度最好别在休息后突然从角落开始 改了
00:17:323 (3,4) - 前面跟背景这里突然跟人声感觉很怪诶 试试继续跟钢琴？ 是这样的 这个人声在这一段的存在感比钢琴要高的多 而且跟钢琴的话我还是会像别的地方塞得比较密 所以不如就这样
00:23:989 - 怎么就开始1/2塞爆了……这里就弄满那和kiai有啥区别 这里跟人声就好 这个是想保持主歌部分的一致性 具体我的想法在下面说了
00:34:656 - 这里开始的强度也有点过……但是考虑到音乐变强了 这样也行 不过还是滑条太多了 找地方放几个圈 比如00:43:656 (2) - 留首尾两个圈就行 改了
01:09:323 (2) - 把这个删掉都行 删了
滑条太多 节奏太密 摆的还行 是这样的 这个easy是经过remap过的 以前那个反而是太疏了节奏不强 我对密度的理解是物件数密度 比较物件数决定click的次数 节奏密但是用的折返滑条多打起来仍然很简单 我看过不少其他rank图感觉比我滑条多圈少的也有很多 对于目前我来说 控制节奏疏密恰到好处稍微有些困难 所以暂且只改了一部分

[Normal]
00:03:489 (5) - 只留首尾两个圈 保持和00:01:156 (1,2) - 一致 改了
00:07:156 (2) - 删掉 没必要 改了
00:11:656 - 放个转盘 低难度转盘不嫌多（x） 这个我觉得长度不是很长 必要不大 低难度转盘不嫌多 但少了好像也没什么事吧
01:09:656 (4) - 我是觉得这个没必要 起个承接作用 歌曲里这里也有一阵鼓声 找比较重的一个点代表一下
01:11:989 (3,4) - 用01:01:323 (3,4,5) - 的节奏 一致性 好的
01:35:656 (3) - 不用折返 后面转盘提到白线来（顺便在normal里转盘前面至少留1/2的空） 好的

[Hard]
00:06:656 (1,2) - 改成前面折返一次后面单点？全是普通滑条还全是横的实在有点单调 改了
00:43:323 (3) - ctrl+g 后面重音强调下 好的

[Alice Gram]
00:02:989 (2) - ctrl+g 这四个音和前面的区别可以这样体现一下 好的
00:05:656 (2) - ^ 嗯嗯也改了
00:04:989 (3,4,1) - 间距为啥这么点 和前面滑条之间的间距一样不好吗 改了
00:28:989 (6) - 空拍太多 但他前后确实没什么音 而且跟前面节奏走下来的话我觉得这样还算自然吧 没想好怎么改 先keep

水完了 GL
感谢yink神的摸！
gary00737
593 posts
Joined February 2015
gary00737
完成度這麼高還能怎樣摸?!?


hard
00:06:156 (3,4,5,1) - 可以試試用幾何. 因為這樣看起來有點不太整齊
01:15:323 (4,5,6,1) - 這我感覺有少少節奏上問題.. 我會這樣選擇
(這個你參考用就可..不用改..因為看到你之後的節奏選擇是人聲..

01:26:989 (2) - 這個可以換成2個單點
01:28:489 - 覺得可以按

不過以上是我會跟的音 每個人不一樣



神圖請飛


EDIT : 剩下的我想IRC摸. 有空看到我有空請找我
Dored
287 posts
Joined May 2017
Topic Starter
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gary00737 wrote:

完成度這麼高還能怎樣摸?!?


hard
00:06:156 (3,4,5,1) - 可以試試用幾何. 因為這樣看起來有點不太整齊 改了
01:15:323 (4,5,6,1) - 這我感覺有少少節奏上問題.. 我會這樣選擇
(這個你參考用就可..不用改..因為看到你之後的節奏選擇是人聲.. 多次折返滑条我在enh是尽量不用 在这个难度里并不好读 我觉得目前的下法还行 先不改了

01:26:989 (2) - 這個可以換成2個單點 那样就成五个连续单点了 我觉得不合适
01:28:489 - 覺得可以按 目前这个折返滑条 第一个音感觉比后面两个音重得多 所以只让它clickable凸显一下 我觉得这样就好

不過以上是我會跟的音 每個人不一樣



神圖請飛 gary大师真是过奖了


EDIT : 剩下的我想IRC摸. 有空看到我有空請找我
感谢摸图！Irc的建议也很有帮助！
Gust
516 posts
Joined December 2011
Gust
hard以下我看问题没啥，就不摸了。然后很不错这个set，主难度做得很好，给个星

[koko]
koko这个我不太会看
01:26:323 (1,2) - 这误导性太大了

[雷米]
00:23:573 - 这里不该漏音，所以后面的梗考虑改一下？
00:27:156 (3) - 00:27:489 (5) - 这里的音并不支撑放note，太轻了，考虑改一下吧
00:29:239 (9) - ^
00:35:156 (3) - ^
00:42:989 (2,3) - 感觉节奏有点怪，试试下面的？
B
00:52:906 (7) - ^
01:01:656 (2) - ds是不是太小了点
01:01:989 (5,6,7) - 也是节奏有点怪，vocal重音没有落到可以点击的地方
C
https://puu.sh/yPNZk/e6a5c23c54.png
[Alice Gram]
检查Ai mod

00:29:323 (1) - 有一些不那么合vocal，然后这附近我是不推荐空拍的。推荐一个节奏的改法
A
00:31:156 (6) - 这里个人推荐改成1/2的slider,因为00:31:656 (1) - 1附近连续空了2拍，感觉不太好
01:02:489 (1) - 试试看拆成note+slider。长白线保证是可以点击的比较好
01:07:239 - 这里鼓点很明显，可以考虑放note
01:07:906 - 同
01:11:489 (2,3) - 这里音不明显却放了三连，结合上面这几条想一想什么时候该放三连呢
01:26:656 (1) - 后面这段是一些个人意见：
钢琴音保证可以点击是比较好的
比如：
01:26:656 (1) -
01:28:156 (2) -
01:30:323 (6) - 特别是这个滑条尾，很重。
01:31:489 (5) -
01:31:989 (1) -

01:38:823 - 这后面其实还可以补一个spin感觉
Dored
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Gust wrote:

hard以下我看问题没啥，就不摸了。然后很不错这个set，主难度做得很好，给个星 哇gust神真好 下个月的绿帽子我不抢了让给你

[Alice Gram]
检查Ai mod 嗯好的 看了下应该是之前改offset时造成的

00:29:323 (1) - 有一些不那么合vocal，然后这附近我是不推荐空拍的。推荐一个节奏的改法 改了
A
00:31:156 (6) - 这里个人推荐改成1/2的slider,因为00:31:656 (1) - 1附近连续空了2拍，感觉不太好 但它前后的红线确实没音 要是那么改反而会漏掉一个白线的鼓点 所以我觉得还是优先白线比较好 暂且还是先这样
01:02:489 (1) - 试试看拆成note+slider。长白线保证是可以点击的比较好 emm这个确实是没错...但目前的下法比较凸显voval 在这里插了一个折返感觉还算带感吧 后面也有一处那么用的 而且看目前的空间和排列不太好改
01:07:239 - 这里鼓点很明显，可以考虑放note 这一段voval比较高 算是整首歌里最突出的地方了 所以优先考虑了人声 目前的下法比较合vocal 不太想改
01:07:906 - 同 同上
01:11:489 (2,3) - 这里音不明显却放了三连，结合上面这几条想一想什么时候该放三连呢 那个音确实不明显 但在kiai段我不希望看见有空拍出现 只在01:11:489 (2) - 放一个单点也不太合适 所以用三连避免了空拍顺便起到加强01:11:656 (4) -滑条头的那个音的效果
01:26:656 (1) - 后面这段是一些个人意见：
钢琴音保证可以点击是比较好的
比如：
01:26:656 (1) -
01:28:156 (2) -
01:30:323 (6) - 特别是这个滑条尾，很重。
01:31:489 (5) -
01:31:989 (1) -
这个我会视情况而改的 我之前就是把相对轻、弱一些的音放在了滑条尾 而且我比较喜欢滑条和圈的搭配 如果所有钢琴音都clickable难以避免连续太多圈 在最后这种不强的收尾段我觉得不合适

01:38:823 - 这后面其实还可以补一个spin感觉 后面声音太小了 目前这个长度适中 而且和全难度统一 所以keep
感谢摸图！
Firika
Beatmap Nominator
278 posts
Joined January 2017
Firika

Gust wrote:

[雷米]
00:23:573 - 这里不该漏音，所以后面的梗考虑改一下？ 保留 前面的滑条就有和这个位置相同的连打音,非常轻,相对于背景鼓差很远.而且后面的5连音很明显,和前面声音强度相差十分大,所以只跟后面5个,前5连直接跟突出的鼓音
00:27:156 (3) - 00:27:489 (5) - 这里的音并不支撑放note，太轻了，考虑改一下吧 保留 背景音挺明显的...
00:29:239 (9) - ^ 改了 √
00:35:156 (3) - ^ 改了 √
00:42:989 (2,3) - 感觉节奏有点怪，试试下面的？ 保留 我比较喜欢用滑条跟延续的鼓音,后面人声和鼓结尾用一个circle.感觉跟人声重音也行,但是感觉不用滑条跟这个长声的鼓很难受.
B
00:52:906 (7) - ^ 改了 √
01:01:656 (2) - ds是不是太小了点 改了 √
01:01:989 (5,6,7) - 也是节奏有点怪，vocal重音没有落到可以点击的地方 改了 但是不是你这样改的...用了个短滑条,然后跟了背景鼓音.
C
https://puu.sh/yPNZk/e6a5c23c54.png
感谢无敌9ust的摸 :?
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Source:春音アリス＊グラム
Tags:Haruoto Alice*Gram Galgame Eroge Opening Short Version NanaWind Oiso Imouto koko Imouto OuO
BeatmapID:1502250
BeatmapSetID:677875

[Difficulty]
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CircleSize:4
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ApproachRate:9
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[Events]
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//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Azzedd
468 posts
Joined August 2016
Azzedd
Hello.
[koko's Insane]
00:04:323 (2,3) - i think is better to change for a slide to be consistent with theses sliders 00:01:323 (3,4) -
00:16:989 - here we have a loud sound you can enphasis with a slider
00:27:323 (2,3,4,5) - overjumped
00:34:156 (5,6,7) - stack with 00:33:823 (4) -
00:34:489 (1,2,3) - snap this combo like here 00:34:156 (5,6,7) -
00:36:656 (4) - delete this slide to stay consistent with the vocal like this 00:35:989 -
00:36:823 - the stream start here
00:39:989 - loud sound i think it's better if we can clic it
00:40:656 - you started to map vocal you should respect this all along of the map
00:41:989 - same
00:44:656 (3,4,1) - this overlap gives a negative effect to the player
00:49:989 (5,6,7) - this part is the same as 00:44:656 (3,4) - change this part for the same sliders reverses
00:51:323 (2) - put it here there 00:51:156 -
00:52:489 - 00:52:823 - i think isn't a good idea to let this song empty
01:03:656 - a slider here is better 01:03:823 - here we doesn't hear a sound that justifies its being clickable
01:04:573 (3) - start this slide on blue thick is surprising
01:07:239 (3) - same
01:15:989 (1,2,3,4) - here is the same combo and i think you can curve theses slides 01:16:323 (2,3,4) - to stay consistent
01:16:656 (3,4,1,2) - same combo too?
01:21:989 - triple here can emphasis this part maybe
01:26:323 (1,2) - emphasis here and this overlap isn't cool for the player hard to read
01:26:989 (2,3) - stack here is better
01:30:323 - slide here is good
01:31:823 - 01:33:323 - i think you can find a better rhythm

[Oiso's Insane]

00:02:656 - slider here is better
00:02:989 - here is a loud sound make clickable this sound
00:03:989 - slider better here too
00:05:323 - 00:05:656 - same part as 00:02:656 - 00:02:989 -
00:03:989 (6) - leave her empty 00:09:156 - like this so a slider here 00:09:656 (2) -
00:12:989 (1) - overmapped
00:17:323 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - the angle of this jump can be better compared to its 00:16:989 (4) -
00:19:489 - this empty stop in the launch, i think is better to put a slider here 00:19:323 -
00:23:656 (3,4,5,6) - i love this patern but reduce the distance snap/makes it easier
00:25:656 (3) - that is too close
00:26:323 (6) - same
00:26:989 (2) - same
00:28:323 (3) - you did right here
00:33:157 (4,1) - enphasis
00:36:989 (5,6,7,8,1) - put the stream and the same line than 00:36:823 (4) - ( is little surprising)
00:44:656 (3,4,5) - too close than 00:44:156 (2) -
00:53:323 - 00:57:323 - i like this part
01:00:823 (4) - ctrl+g
01:01:656 (2) - https://i.imgur.com/BjEe8fU.jpg something like this
01:03:323 (3) - you can make a better angle following the direction of the slide 01:02:989 (2) -
01:04:823 (5,6,7) - do something harder overlap is good but it can tense the player
01:07:906 (7,1) - emphasis this patern
01:07:906 (7,1) - good patern but this reverse jump 01:10:823 (2,3) - need not be, change his direction
01:25:239 (6,1) - emphasis this patern too
01:25:656 (2) - care to not got out the playfield
01:32:656 (3,4,5) - why a triple?

Your map has emphasis problems otherwise the rest is good
Firika
Beatmap Nominator
278 posts
Joined January 2017
Firika

Azzedd wrote:

[Oiso's Insane]

00:02:656 - slider here is better
00:02:989 - here is a loud sound make clickable this sound
00:03:989 - slider better here too
00:05:323 - 00:05:656 - same part as 00:02:656 - 00:02:989 -
00:03:989 (6) - leave her empty 00:09:156 - like this so a slider here 00:09:656 (2) -
00:12:989 (1) - overmapped
00:17:323 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - the angle of this jump can be better compared to its 00:16:989 (4) -
00:19:489 - this empty stop in the launch, i think is better to put a slider here 00:19:323 -
00:23:656 (3,4,5,6) - i love this patern but reduce the distance snap/makes it easier
00:25:656 (3) - that is too close
00:26:323 (6) - same
00:26:989 (2) - same
00:28:323 (3) - you did right here
00:33:157 (4,1) - enphasis
00:36:989 (5,6,7,8,1) - put the stream and the same line than 00:36:823 (4) - ( is little surprising)
00:44:656 (3,4,5) - too close than 00:44:156 (2) -
00:53:323 - 00:57:323 - i like this part THX :)
01:00:823 (4) - ctrl+g
01:01:656 (2) - https://i.imgur.com/BjEe8fU.jpg something like this Right,I fix it √
01:03:323 (3) - you can make a better angle following the direction of the slide 01:02:989 (2) -
01:04:823 (5,6,7) - do something harder overlap is good but it can tense the player
01:07:906 (7,1) - emphasis this patern
01:07:906 (7,1) - good patern but this reverse jump 01:10:823 (2,3) - need not be, change his direction
01:25:239 (6,1) - emphasis this patern too
01:25:656 (2) - care to not got out the playfield Fixed √
01:32:656 (3,4,5) - why a triple? Fixed, triple is wrong √

Your idea is right, but i don't think my idea is wrong... so I only fix some necessary problems...(red note)
Your map has emphasis problems otherwise the rest is good Thanks for modding~
Oiso's Insane
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