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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017年9月23日 at 0:06:39

Artist: FREDERIC
Title: Kanashii Ureshii
Source: 恋と嘘
Tags: Taiko Koi to Uso Love and Lies Opening TV Size Kisses Chaoslitz
BPM: 142
Filesize: 3728kb
Play Time: 01:27
Difficulties Available:

Download: FREDERIC - Kanashii Ureshii
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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#39 - Taiko mapset
BG - 100%
Image Kantan - 100%
Image Futsuu - 100%
Image Kisses' Muzukashii - 100% ( By Kisses )
Image Chaoz's Oni - 100% ( By Chaoslitz )
Image Oni - 100%
Acknowledgement
Thanks Meyrink for the source mp3.
Last edited by Nardoxyribonucleic on , edited 18 times in total.
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Code:
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[General]
AudioFilename: kanashii ureshii.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 61173
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.7 
Mode: 1
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WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 34236
DistanceSpacing: 1.3
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 32
TimelineZoom: 1

[Metadata]
Title:Kanashii Ureshii
TitleUnicode:かなしいうれしい
Artist:FREDERIC
ArtistUnicode:フレデリック
Creator:Nardoxyribonucleic
Version:Kisses' Muzukashii
Source:恋と嘘
Tags:Taiko Koi to Uso Love and Lies Opening TV Size
BeatmapID:0
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Code:
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Title:Kanashii Ureshii
TitleUnicode:かなしいうれしい
Artist:FREDERIC
ArtistUnicode:フレデリック
Creator:Nardoxyribonucleic
Version:Kisses' Muzukashii
Source:恋と嘘
Tags:Taiko Koi to Uso Love and Lies Opening TV Size
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funny thing actually, I made a set of this immediately after the first episode was released. Someone said it was overmapped so I never pushed it, but I like it /shrung.

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◾ I may start adding "taiko" as a tag to help people who don't know how to filter maps now.
◽ Not sure if I feel like the OD being 5 from Muzukashii to the top Oni is correct. Maybe change the Muzukashii to OD 4.5?



Kantan


00:05:504 (8,9,10,11,12) - This may be too difficult for newer players. People playing kantans have most likely never seen a finisher before, so 5 in a row on 1/1 snap may be too much. I recommend deleting the two K's and making 00:06:349 (10) - into a K.
00:23:673 (33) - May want to delete this note to be consistent with 00:10:152 - which is an even more distinct sound that is unmapped.
◾ To avoid boring repetition, I think you can ctrl-g 00:24:095 (33,34) - these notes, since they seem to follow pitches enough there to be swapped.
00:34:236 (46) - This note along with the rest of the map seems pretty late, maybe moving your timing point 6ms will help, or maybe you just don't care, it's pretty small.
00:46:484 (62,64) - Possibly delete these two notes for the finisher density issue.
00:47:751 - This entire pattern up to 00:54:512 - would sound better inverted, so that the first 3 1/1's are d's to follow the descending line, and the second set of 1/1's are k's to follow the higher pitches.



Futsuu


◾ Looks fine ye



Kisses' Muzukashii


00:16:701 - Adding a triple here to echo the triple from earlier would be appropriate, but I recommend making it ddd since it's a lower pitch.
00:51:977 (16,17) - Changing these to d would have a nice effect since it would echo the pattern from 00:47:751 - .
00:56:202 (28) - Add finisher to be consistent with Futsuu and Kantan.
01:01:273 (1,2,3) - Invert these three notes so that the hard vocal hits are k's since, having the first two (which are higher pitched) be d's and not k's like 01:02:963 (7,12) - these two doesn't sound right. Repeat as necessary.
01:02:435 (4,5) - These sound better as k's since the snare hits are on 1 and 3. Repeat as necessary.
01:03:174 (8) - I would change this to d since k k kkk kis boring and may not play as well/fun as k d kkk k. Repeat as whatever you get it.
01:11:413 (42) - I don't see why this needs a finisher, previous diffs didn't have a finisher here.
01:21:554 (85) - Another weird finisher. Putting this in the middle of a 1/2 pattern may be difficult as well, probably not, but it play awkward anyways so I recommend taking it off.
01:24:935 (99) - Finisher remove blah you get it.



Chaoz's Oni


00:05:926 (19) - I like D D K K better like in Kisses' diff, but that's up to you.
00:07:194 (24) - Possibly can make this a finisher, but I understand if it may be too difficult/uncomfortable; the music just has a huge cymbal there is all.
00:16:067 (64) - Strict pitch mapping probably would say otherwise, but I would change this to k since I find 4 d's in a row boring.
00:20:715 (88) - Add finisher because there's a big cymbal and also the other diffs have a finisher.
01:04:125 (261) - There's no actual noise here, so probably delete unless you want to call it "improvising." You could also add a k 01:04:019 - here to make it valid I guess. Repeat as necessary.
01:10:885 (297) - Delete again for no sound, and you may actually want to have a nice little 1/1 break here, it's still an oni difficulty. It repeats as well, but for some reason you didn't include the 1/4 the second time.



Oni


00:47:749 - I could totally understand maybe every 2 measures having a finisher, but right now it feels like some real 15th century type torture stuff thing I wouldn't enjoy playing.
01:04:123 (281) - Possibly delete for break.


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00:51:977 (16,17) - Changing these to d would have a nice effect since it would echo the pattern from 00:47:751 I didn't do this as to me it would make it play too similar to 00:52:617 (18,19,20,21,22,23) almost as if repeated sections and I feel like this part is quite different from the others.


did everything else including changing OD to 4.5. Thanks for the mod!

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From that nifty queue~

funny thing actually, I made a set of this immediately after the first episode was released. Someone said it was overmapped so I never pushed it, but I like it /shrung.

General


◾ I may start adding "taiko" as a tag to help people who don't know how to filter maps now.
◽ Not sure if I feel like the OD being 5 from Muzukashii to the top Oni is correct. Maybe change the Muzukashii to OD 4.5? Done by Kisses



Kantan


00:05:504 (8,9,10,11,12) - This may be too difficult for newer players. People playing kantans have most likely never seen a finisher before, so 5 in a row on 1/1 snap may be too much. I recommend deleting the two K's and making 00:06:349 (10) - into a K. As its difficulty is still acceptable for this level, I would prefer keeping this to make the pattern less monotonous.
00:23:673 (33) - May want to delete this note to be consistent with 00:10:152 - which is an even more distinct sound that is unmapped. Remain unchanged to fit the vocal as well as increased song pace.
◾ To avoid boring repetition, I think you can ctrl-g 00:24:095 (33,34) - these notes, since they seem to follow pitches enough there to be swapped. The pitch is in fact the same.
00:34:236 (46) - This note along with the rest of the map seems pretty late, maybe moving your timing point 6ms will help, or maybe you just don't care, it's pretty small. Hmm, I would keep this at the moment.
00:46:484 (62,64) - Possibly delete these two notes for the finisher density issue. same as 00:05:504 (8,9,10,11,12) -
00:47:751 - This entire pattern up to 00:54:512 - would sound better inverted, so that the first 3 1/1's are d's to follow the descending line, and the second set of 1/1's are k's to follow the higher pitches. I think both arrangements are fine while k k k at 00:49:448 (68,69,70) - could accompany the vocal.



Futsuu


◾ Looks fine ye


Oni


00:47:749 - I could totally understand maybe every 2 measures having a finisher, but right now it feels like some real 15th century type torture stuff thing I wouldn't enjoy playing. Removed finishes except white line notes.
01:04:123 (281) - Possibly delete for break. Retained for a more coherent structure.


ye


Thanks for your mod~ :)
Waiting for Chaoz's reply now.
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Chaoz's Oni


00:05:926 (19) - I like D D K K better like in Kisses' diff, but that's up to you. hmm i think current one fits more
00:07:194 (24) - Possibly can make this a finisher, but I understand if it may be too difficult/uncomfortable; the music just has a huge cymbal there is all. I think kkD is really uncomfortable to play so i decided not to add finish
00:16:067 (64) - Strict pitch mapping probably would say otherwise, but I would change this to k since I find 4 d's in a row boring. okay
00:20:715 (88) - Add finisher because there's a big cymbal and also the other diffs have a finisher. added
01:04:125 (261) - There's no actual noise here, so probably delete unless you want to call it "improvising." You could also add a k 01:04:019 - here to make it valid I guess. Repeat as necessary. but there is electric guitar 0.0
01:10:885 (297) - Delete again for no sound, and you may actually want to have a nice little 1/1 break here, it's still an oni difficulty. It repeats as well, but for some reason you didn't include the 1/4 the second time. same as above


Thanks for mod :3

Code:
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Title:Kanashii Ureshii
TitleUnicode:かなしいうれしい
Artist:FREDERIC
ArtistUnicode:フレデリック
Creator:Nardoxyribonucleic
Version:Chaoz's Oni
Source:恋と嘘
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No issues here!
AiMod although outdated isn't picking anything up, and the metadata as far as I'm aware is correct.


Kantan
00:05:926 (9,10) - I suggest switching these notes with ctrl+g, as to me it sounds like note 10 is still ascending in pitch, so it seems quite odd to hear a don finisher for it. D K K K D would also work to, in the instance that you'd like to keep note 9 a kat finisher.
00:11:419 (17,18,19) - Similarly to the first comment, I think the 3 notes here should be of the opposite color to match the vocal's pitch a bit more. (d k d instead of k d k, to be clear)
00:35:081 (48,49,50,51,52) - SUGGESTION: Because the vocal phrase is being repeated over and over again, I personally would've kept the note the same every time it was repeated, i.e. k k k kkd, and for variation I would've simply switched the note colors to equal out don usage vs. kat usage. It would look like this if you're interested: https://puu.sh/xqvNI/1d7d65b3c2.png
01:08:884 (12,13) - If you'd like, you can ctrl+g these two notes for some slight variation.
01:22:405 (32,33) - The same thing from above also can apply here.


Futsuu
As a quick question, why is the background sad when the song is upbeat and cheery? Is the english translation sad too or am I missing something else... :thinking:
00:05:926 (14,15) - The same thing as in the Kantan can also apply here.
00:21:983 (52) - I suggest changing this note to a kat and moving it to 00:21:349 to match the vocal syllable that may have been skipped.


Kisses' Muzukashii
00:09:518 (31,32,33) - I don't hear any musical support for this triplet, I do hear at minimum a k d d pattern, although I recommend just 1/1 k d for this beat.
00:19:870 (70,71,72) - The rhythm here only supports a doublet, which in a Muzukashii should be monocolor, so I'd suggest dd k instead of ddd k. I personally think the triplet sounds awkward.
01:03:497 (10) - I think this note sounds a little bit better on 01:03:708 instead.
01:13:638 (51) - Similar to the above comment^
01:17:018 (66) - The same thing as 01:03:497 (10)
The reason I suggest those move over a little bit is because having the triplet begin on a red tick gives extra emphasis on the white tick after it, meaning the two notes before it act as, for lack of a better musical term, grace notes. Removing them won't affect the map too much, but having them gives extra emphasis on the downbeat as oppose to the upbeat (red tick).


Chaoz's Oni
00:23:250 (101,102,103,104) - I think you have three options here for what you could change, 1) you could fill the whole beat with a 5 note pattern as electric guitar is present throughout the entire beat. (If you agree, you could use kddkd OR a more simple ddkkd.) OR 2) You could move 00:23:356 (102) - to 00:23:567 and change the pattern appropriately to dkd, ddk, or whatever you feel is more applicable. There's a 3rd option as well, and that is to make the notes 2 pairs of doublets, kd dk. For complete clarity, here are pictures with each option I suggested:

00:34:236 - 00:47:757 - Although this section of the map is rhythmically correct and has enough variation for an Oni, I highly suggest adding something more here to set it apart from the Muzukashii's rhythm as this section in these two difficulties are almost the exact same thing. I found it to be a good idea to add a note at 00:34:870 - , 00:38:250 - , 00:41:631 - , and 00:45:011 - . Certain places are skipped so that although it's a minor change from the Muzukashii, this section lands right in the middle of Kisses' Muzukashii and Nardo's Oni in terms of density.
01:03:391 (262,263) - I personally do not like the way this doublet sounds. I recommend deleting note 263, and making a kkd triplet on 01:03:603. This is both more comfortable to play, and imo, matches the music better.
01:16:912 (332,333) - Similar to 01:03:391, except I'd recommend using a ddk triplet here instead.


Oni
00:00:434 (1,12) - I think these two notes should be a kat, the instrument playing is very high pitched.
00:05:926 (19,20) - Same from Futsuu and Kantan can apply here.
00:19:342 (80) - I don't see the musical support for the kat here, and I only say this because it felt a tiny bit awkward to play triplet, triplet, quad, then double all in a row without any 1/2 connection. I think deleting this note gives it a little more flow.
01:04:764 (285) - I think the map flows a little bit better without this note, but I do know that for me personally it was more comfortable to play without it.

This is a really catchy song and a really good map, good luck with the ranking process~!
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No issues here!
AiMod although outdated isn't picking anything up, and the metadata as far as I'm aware is correct.


Kantan
00:05:926 (9,10) - I suggest switching these notes with ctrl+g, as to me it sounds like note 10 is still ascending in pitch, so it seems quite odd to hear a don finisher for it. D K K K D would also work to, in the instance that you'd like to keep note 9 a kat finisher. D K D K could also represent pitch increase as an analogy of staircase.
00:11:419 (17,18,19) - Similarly to the first comment, I think the 3 notes here should be of the opposite color to match the vocal's pitch a bit more. (d k d instead of k d k, to be clear) k d k could follow the pitch changes better as the middle one is relatively low-pitched.
00:35:081 (48,49,50,51,52) - SUGGESTION: Because the vocal phrase is being repeated over and over again, I personally would've kept the note the same every time it was repeated, i.e. k k k kkd, and for variation I would've simply switched the note colors to equal out don usage vs. kat usage. It would look like this if you're interested: https://puu.sh/xqvNI/1d7d65b3c2.png I would prefer keeping the current pattern for a more dynamic flow.
01:08:884 (12,13) - If you'd like, you can ctrl+g these two notes for some slight variation. Retained to accompany the background voice.
01:22:405 (32,33) - The same thing from above also can apply here. same as ^


Futsuu
As a quick question, why is the background sad when the song is upbeat and cheery? Is the english translation sad too or am I missing something else... :thinking: -> Because Kanashii.
00:05:926 (14,15) - The same thing as in the Kantan can also apply here. refer to Kantan
00:21:983 (52) - I suggest changing this note to a kat and moving it to 00:21:349 to match the vocal syllable that may have been skipped. The current position also has a vocal syllable.


Oni
00:00:434 (1,12) - I think these two notes should be a kat, the instrument playing is very high pitched. The pitch is in fact the same as 00:01:067 (3) - so d would be fine as well.
00:05:926 (19,20) - Same from Futsuu and Kantan can apply here. refer to Kantan
00:19:342 (80) - I don't see the musical support for the kat here, and I only say this because it felt a tiny bit awkward to play triplet, triplet, quad, then double all in a row without any 1/2 connection. I think deleting this note gives it a little more flow. 1/4 patterns also have their flow. Keeping it now for the guitar riff.
01:04:764 (285) - I think the map flows a little bit better without this note, but I do know that for me personally it was more comfortable to play without it. No change for reasonable complexity in the kiai.

This is a really catchy song and a really good map, good luck with the ranking process~!


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Kisses' Muzukashii
00:09:518 (31,32,33) - I don't hear any musical support for this triplet, I do hear at minimum a k d d pattern, although I recommend just 1/1 k d for this beat. I hear a triplet from the base, which is what I ended up mapping
00:19:870 (70,71,72) - The rhythm here only supports a doublet, which in a Muzukashii should be monocolor, so I'd suggest dd k instead of ddd k. I personally think the triplet sounds awkward. ikd, there is a sound on that tick that's part of the same instrument (guitar). I guess the first 2 objects are more predominant but a double would be more tricky to play when it isn't a must
01:03:497 (10) - I think this note sounds a little bit better on 01:03:708 instead.
01:13:638 (51) - Similar to the above comment^
01:17:018 (66) - The same thing as 01:03:497 (10)
The reason I suggest those move over a little bit is because having the triplet begin on a red tick gives extra emphasis on the white tick after it, meaning the two notes before it act as, for lack of a better musical term, grace notes. Removing them won't affect the map too much, but having them gives extra emphasis on the downbeat as oppose to the upbeat (red tick).
I can't really say I refereed to any music theory since I did this pretty much by feeling. To me it plays and flows better to have the last object 01:03:814 (12) played as it's on beat (not being 1/4 beat apart from another object and forcing them to play them as one pattern). I feel like it gives more of an emphatic stop, I also like the rhythm of the pattern 01:02:441 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) -overall. I'll try to remain open minded though and think about this a bit more see refer back to it if more modders refer to something similar


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00:23:250 (101,102,103,104) - I think you have three options here for what you could change, 1) you could fill the whole beat with a 5 note pattern as electric guitar is present throughout the entire beat. (If you agree, you could use kddkd OR a more simple ddkkd.) OR 2) You could move 00:23:356 (102) - to 00:23:567 and change the pattern appropriately to dkd, ddk, or whatever you feel is more applicable. There's a 3rd option as well, and that is to make the notes 2 pairs of doublets, kd dk. For complete clarity, here are pictures with each option I suggested: followed 1

00:34:236 - 00:47:757 - Although this section of the map is rhythmically correct and has enough variation for an Oni, I highly suggest adding something more here to set it apart from the Muzukashii's rhythm as this section in these two difficulties are almost the exact same thing. I found it to be a good idea to add a note at 00:34:870 - , 00:38:250 - , 00:41:631 - , and 00:45:011 - . Certain places are skipped so that although it's a minor change from the Muzukashii, this section lands right in the middle of Kisses' Muzukashii and Nardo's Oni in terms of density. yup added
01:03:391 (262,263) - I personally do not like the way this doublet sounds. I recommend deleting note 263, and making a kkd triplet on 01:03:603. This is both more comfortable to play, and imo, matches the music better. imo the sound on blue tick is much stronger so i would prefer the current one
01:16:912 (332,333) - Similar to 01:03:391, except I'd recommend using a ddk triplet here instead. ^


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