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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017年12月3日 at 21:07:12

Artist: 3L
Title: Hagetsu
Source: 東方萃夢想 ~ Immaterial and Missing Power.
Tags: Taiko 東方Project Touhou Suimusou ~ TH7.5 ZUN 砕月 Broken Moon Saigetsu 伊吹萃香 Ibuki Suika ALiCE'S EMOTiON 源屋 Minamotoya 安保 さゆり Sayuri Anpo あんぽりん Anporin C80 2011 RADIATA AECD-029
BPM: 134
Filesize: 5422kb
Play Time: 02:25
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#94. #90 taiko mapset ~

3L - 破月
星一つ無い空に舞う 破れた月のように

Image Kantan 2☆
Image Futsuu 4☆
Image Muzukashii 5☆
Image Oni 7☆
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Oni

00:23:868 (2) - Didn't see the difference of using a finisher on this. The sounds are basically the same like 00:20:286 (2) - this note and yet you didn't use finisher. Keeping it consistent would be good.

00:58:345 - For this part, I recommend 00:58:345 (1) - don, 00:58:681 (1,2) - kat on these. It'll follow the drums better.

01:55:659 - Same suggestion I did before.

The diff is very good, sorry for the short mod ;w;


Muzukashii

00:41:107 - Add a note? You have a triplet on Oni diff, it'll create a better spread.

00:58:345 (1,2) - Not sure about this gap. Rhythm-wise this is the hardest part on Oni diff and yet you leave it completely blank on Muzukashii. It'll be better if you follow the drums on that spot, like you did in Oni. If you accept it, remember to fill this part on Futsuu and Kantan. My suggestion will be adding a slider, or using a triplet which goes kkk on 00:58:793 - this spot.

01:55:659 (1,2) - ^

I believe the last kiai can be a bit harder. For instance, after you use 1/4 doublets which are going on kk, you left some huge blank spots. If you add one more note on these gaps, it'll make the kiai more dense, since it's the hardest section in Oni diff.


Futsuu

-Kiai suggestions-

01:09:763 (2,3) - How about starting the slider from 2nd note instead of where it is now? There are no additional vocal sounds 01:09:987 - on this spot, so the slider feels unneccessary. Deleting the don before the slider and moving the slider 1/2 snap back will be good. Remember extending it to 01:10:883 - here if you move the slider.

01:11:554 - ^

-End kiai-

01:53:644 - Add a note? You are following vocals since then and this will support the vocal sound. I recommend kat, and if you add it change 01:53:420 (1) - this to don in order to follow the vocal pitch.


Kantan

Same suggestions on sliders in Futsuu diff I mentioned.

Good, solid mapset and nice choice of song, I hope my mod helps~ Good luck!
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Kantan

00:14:465 (2) -
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01:09:987 (3,4) - same as above
02:07:301 (3,4) - same as above
02:23:420 (1) - like 01:26:107 (1,1) , add Finisher (don) on the endpoint


Futsuu

02:23:420 (1) - like 01:26:107 (1,1) , add Finisher (don) on the endpoint


Muzukashii

00:47:599 (1) - d o n
00:56:778 - add a kat
01:22:301 - add a don
01:33:942 - add a kat
01:41:107 - add a don
02:17:599 - add a kat
02:23:420 (1) - like 01:26:107 (1,1) , add Finisher (don) on the endpoint


Oni

00:29:689 (2,1,1,2,3) - kd kk k
01:01:704 (2,3,4) - kk
01:05:286 (2,1,1) - kd
01:16:032 (2,3,4) - kk
01:19:614 (2,1,1) - kd (no changes on 2nd kiai)
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Oni

00:23:868 (2) - Didn't see the difference of using a finisher on this. The sounds are basically the same like 00:20:286 (2) - this note and yet you didn't use finisher. Keeping it consistent would be good. Valid point, but if I do so it'd be inconsistent with softer 00:27:450 (1) - which creates the pattern of K->K->K->k. I'd keep the current K->k->K->k pattern for now unless more modders point this out.

00:58:345 - For this part, I recommend 00:58:345 (1) - don, 00:58:681 (1,2) - kat on these. It'll follow the drums better. True, but I'd like to keep the consistent vocal/pitch-oriented style throughout the song (considering pitch rise at 00:57:450 (1,2,3,1) - )

01:55:659 - Same suggestion I did before. ^

The diff is very good, sorry for the short mod ;w; It's fine :3


Muzukashii

00:41:107 - Add a note? You have a triplet on Oni diff, it'll create a better spread. I'd prefer empty here, because of consistent rest sections in this diff at 00:33:271 - and 00:36:853 -.

00:58:345 (1,2) - Not sure about this gap. Rhythm-wise this is the hardest part on Oni diff and yet you leave it completely blank on Muzukashii. It'll be better if you follow the drums on that spot, like you did in Oni. If you accept it, remember to fill this part on Futsuu and Kantan. My suggestion will be adding a slider, or using a triplet which goes kkk on 00:58:793 - this spot. True, but I personally care more about difficulty balance and consistency of one diff rather than consistency or gradual difficulty rise among all 4 diffs. If I add objects because of your reasons, similar changes would have done on 00:44:017 -
etc too. To prevent muzukashii having too little rests I will keep this unchanged for now.


01:55:659 (1,2) - ^ ^

I believe the last kiai can be a bit harder. For instance, after you use 1/4 doublets which are going on kk, you left some huge blank spots. If you add one more note on these gaps, it'll make the kiai more dense, since it's the hardest section in Oni diff. Current setup seems to be one of the hardest parts in muzukashii already (harder than 1st kiai, comparably difficult with section 00:16:256 -). I might consider changing doublets to kkk, but using kkk at 02:16:928 - doesn't sound good unless I use kkd which can be quite difficult. As for the blank spots issue, I think that's part of the consistency (comparing with 1st kiai which also have similar rests, but already denser and more difficult) Good point, but let's see how others think for now.


Futsuu

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01:09:763 (2,3) - How about starting the slider from 2nd note instead of where it is now? There are no additional vocal sounds 01:09:987 - on this spot, so the slider feels unneccessary. Deleting the don before the slider and moving the slider 1/2 snap back will be good. Remember extending it to 01:10:883 - here if you move the slider. Possible, but 01:09:763 - is part of the 01:07:748 (1,1,2,3,1,2) - vocal which I don't want them separated. Keeping unchanged for now

01:11:554 - ^ ^

-End kiai-

01:53:644 - Add a note? You are following vocals since then and this will support the vocal sound. I recommend kat, and if you add it change 01:53:420 (1) - this to don in order to follow the vocal pitch. I can do this, but if so 01:54:316 - would be changed to 01:54:204 - and k would be added at 01:54:539 -. Same things would be applied at section 00:56:107 -. Not sure if this is too complicated for futsuu. Will wait for some more feedback.


Kantan

Same suggestions on sliders in Futsuu diff I mentioned. ^ Similar concerns with futsuu. In kantan's case, starting slider at 01:09:763 - doesn't seem to fit the 1/1 rhythm from the past few notes, but I might consider this.

Good, solid mapset and nice choice of song, I hope my mod helps~ Good luck! Thank you :)


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Kantan

00:14:465 (2) -
Image I'm not sure if this is to provide more space for incoming notes, but if it is, I'd like more feedback because current slider length seems to fit the song's context better?
01:09:987 (3,4) - same as above ^, but this time the next object is slider too?
02:07:301 (3,4) - same as above ^
02:23:420 (1) - like 01:26:107 (1,1) , add Finisher (don) on the endpoint See muzukashii.


Futsuu

02:23:420 (1) - like 01:26:107 (1,1) , add Finisher (don) on the endpoint See muzukashii.


Muzukashii

00:47:599 (1) - d o n I guess you suggested this for pattern variations (avoiding dkkdk x3), but since 00:47:487 - suggests a higher vocal pitch I prefer k here. For now I changed 00:46:704 - to dkddk for better contrast with 00:44:913 -.
00:56:778 - add a kat Good suggestion, but I wonder if this 1/4 would be too sudden (compared to other sections where 1/4s exist on certain parts repeatedly). Would like more modders' suggestions.
01:22:301 - add a don Possible, but I'm not sure if 01:22:301~01:25:659 is too dense, and whether I should break the o ooo pattern at 01:20:734 - and 01:22:525 -.
01:33:942 - add a kat v Applied.
01:41:107 - add a don Doesn't seem to be harder than oni. Good suggestion :3
02:17:599 - add a kat Similar concern with 01:22:301 - above.
02:23:420 (1) - like 01:26:107 (1,1) , add Finisher (don) on the endpoint Might consider this. Spinner end seems to be a better way to end a difficulty? (considering a note afterwards seem to suggest some more notes incoming?)


Oni

00:29:689 (2,1,1,2,3) - kd kk k Nice observation. Changed to kd kkkk K
01:01:704 (2,3,4) - kk Do you mean kk instead of kkk? That was actually my original plan before completion, but I felt 01:01:928~01:02:263 a bit too empty if I do so. Also kkk gives some more rhythm consistency with 01:05:286 which uses 1/4 x3 as well, although for a different reason. Might change this if more modders concern about this
01:05:286 (2,1,1) - kd ^, I used kdk because I see this as kd + k d d k k at 01:05:510 (1,2,2,1,2) -.
01:16:032 (2,3,4) - kk ^ 01:01:704 -.
01:19:614 (2,1,1) - kd (no changes on 2nd kiai) ^ 01:05:286 -.


Thanks both for your mod :)
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Oni
What is this. Why going the complicated route. The global change is insignificant. Explain.
00:47:375 (1,2) - Surprisingly you follow a lot the non-percussion but you miss the 16th vocal in the middle of this 8th double. Ya gotta, yknow, add a note in it (dkd would feel better to me but it's all up to you)
01:44:689 (1,2) - STOP FORGETTING


Muzukashii
Remove duplicate inherited timing sections even though they're not duplicate, the change is so insignificant that it's better to just keep at a constant 1.00x


Futsuu
oh goddamn don't tell me you're doing the megasmall sv change on every diff even kantan


Kantan
I KNEW IT
01:09:539 (2) - Why is this here and not at 02:06:853 - did you forget something
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Oni
What is this. Why going the complicated route. The global change is insignificant. Explain. Decided to amplify the speed changes a bit, from x0.97 to x1.01. Should be more significant now
00:47:375 (1,2) - Surprisingly you follow a lot the non-percussion but you miss the 16th vocal in the middle of this 8th double. Ya gotta, yknow, add a note in it (dkd would feel better to me but it's all up to you) Changed to kdk After some more consideration decided to keep unchanged. It's for the pattern consistency (same o ooo o o at 00:44:913 - and 00:46:704 -) and stronger background music emphasis at 00:47:375 (1,2,1,1,2) -.
01:44:689 (1,2) - STOP FORGETTING ^ ^


Muzukashii
Remove duplicate inherited timing sections even though they're not duplicate, the change is so insignificant that it's better to just keep at a constant 1.00x See oni


Futsuu
oh goddamn don't tell me you're doing the megasmall sv change on every diff even kantan See oni


Kantan
I KNEW IT See oni
01:09:539 (2) - Why is this here and not at 02:06:853 - did you forget something I fixed this already in previous update. Probably you didn't have the latest :3


Thanks for your mod :)
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General
Disable widescreen support
Amount of Muzukashii notes is 376 but in Oni is 570??! I'll leave this to you


Kantan
00:33:047Ehh, I think this 2 note stream isn't for Kantan players, considering remove a note (recommend on red tick, remove it)\

00:40:211^, it will be hard for beginners

00:50:286Could be better with kdk

00:52:077Change to d to make the gameplay easier or change to kkk all to fit the pitch and easier for gameplay

00:58:122Same as first

01:05:510Change to k to make a unity in 01:01:928


Futsuu
00:28:234I think k will be better

00:39:092You know what? This will work better if this note goes to here 00:39:987 to make consistancy in Kantan diff.

00:43:122Put Drum hitsound here because it's a strong emphasis

00:54:316Change it all to kkk to fit the pitch


Muzukashii
00:13:905Change to k to fit the pitch

Muzukashii is good to me


Oni
01:47:599Change to k to fit the pitch

01:49:838Could be better id you do kdk

00:58:793Remove this note to emphasize better

Sorry for checking the time randomly
Good music and good mapping,
GL on ranking
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General
Disable widescreen support Done
Amount of Muzukashii notes is 376 but in Oni is 570??! I'll leave this to you Considering +48%, +42% and +52% combo for every difficulty increase, I think such difficulty spread is justified


Kantan
00:33:047Ehh, I think this 2 note stream isn't for Kantan players, considering remove a note (recommend on red tick, remove it)\ I consider this forgiving enough for newbies, given sufficient spacing before such 1/2 and that the 2 notes are same in color

00:40:211^, it will be hard for beginners ^

00:50:286Could be better with kdk dkd is for vocal consideration. Kept unchanged for consistency throughout the diff

00:52:077Change to d to make the gameplay easier or change to kkk all to fit the pitch and easier for gameplay Same happens at 01:49:390. I can delete the middle note but I don't think current setup makes a significant difficulty spike.


00:58:122Same as first ^

01:05:510Change to k to make a unity in 01:01:928 Same happens at 02:01:928. Would prefer d as reference to vocal pitch drop.


Futsuu
00:28:234I think k will be better Similar reason. I'm addressing background pitch drop here.

00:39:092You know what? This will work better if this note goes to here 00:39:987 to make consistancy in Kantan diff. Seems possible to me, but I'd have to move 00:31:928 to 00:32:823 etc as well, which I struggle to find nice hitsounds for 00:32:375 ~ 00:33:271. And kantan has slightly different rhythm even if I do so.

00:43:122Put Drum hitsound here because it's a strong emphasis True, but my k is to show the background "ding" and slightly higher vocal/ Would prefer more pitch-oriented consistency in this case.

00:54:316Change it all to kkk to fit the pitch Considering the falling pitch, kkk doesn't seem a good idea to me.


Muzukashii
00:13:905Change to k to fit the pitch True, but I prefer d because it's a. slightly lower pitched than previous similar parts b. a contrast between this d and k at 00:14:465 (1)

Muzukashii is good to me


Oni
01:47:599Change to k to fit the pitch Considering pitch rise at 01:47:599 (2,1) - I'd like to keep this unchanged

01:49:838Could be better id you do kdk Considering falling pitch at 01:49:390 (2,1) - I prefer d here. dkd is for pitch consideration

00:58:793Remove this note to emphasize better Would like to keep this because of existent vocal parts at 00:58:793 (2,2,3) -.

Sorry for checking the time randomly
Good music and good mapping,
GL on ranking Thanks :)


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破月

ONI
00:16:704 (2) - k,why K? or 00:20:286 (2) - K? Decided to remove both finishes at 00:23:868 - and 00:16:704 -, as suggested by few modders
00:47:599 (2) - mov to 00:47:487 - ? Possible, but I'd prefer following background music at 00:47:375 (1,2,1,2,1) - instead
01:16:256 (4) - d See response to 01:16:032 - below v
01:20:510 (1,2,3) - kkd https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8612612 Unchanged since I want to follow vocal at 01:20:286 (2,1,2) -
02:03:495 (1,2) - ^ ^
01:44:689 (1,2,1,2,1,1) - kkkddk See response to 00:47:599 - above ^. Current setup fits the pitch variants best imo
01:48:383 (1) - k to keep same to 01:48:271 - But background music suggests otherwise, with significant pitch drop between the 2 notes
01:59:241 (4) - d v
02:13:457 (3) - d v
01:16:032 (2,3,4) - same to 02:13:345 (2,3,4) - Prefer kkk because they have the same level of vocal pitch
02:17:935 - k and 02:18:047 - d See my response to 01:20:510 - above

MUZ
01:04:614 (1,2,1) - dkk? Keeping unchanged due to vocal consideration
01:11:554 (1) - k ^, similar reasons. Consider falling pitch at 01:11:107 (1,1) -
01:12:002 (1) - del & 01:12:226 - d It feels really weird to have such gap imo...
02:09:316 (2) - 02:09:092 - I think current pattern fits the background music closer
02:14:017 - d Possible but then I'll have to do the same for later similar parts. Would that be too dense?

FUT
00:48:942 (1) - d Unchanged because of vocal consideration at 00:48:942 (1,1,1)
00:52:525 (1) - k ^, 00:52:525 (1,1,1)
01:09:763 - slider starts here? Changed, seems fine to me?
01:11:554 - ^,本家似乎不这么摆? ^
01:48:495 (1) - k Again, pitch consideration at 01:47:599 (1,1,1)

KAT
fine!


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Controversial for the 1/2 imprementation but perfect for me


Futsuu

00:43:122 (1) - change to d like in 01:40:435 (2) -

I think 00:51:181 (1) - has to be a k because this ones 00:45:808 (1) -, 00:47:599 (1) -, 00:49:390 (1) - ends with a k by the vocal (then the voice calms down at 00:52:972 (1) -, 00:54:763 (2) - and then come back at 00:56:554 (2) -, 00:58:345 (1) - with more k). Like this (4-2-2 is more solid), not kkkdddkk. Do the same with the other part before the second kiai

00:57:002 (3) - move to 00:56:331 (2) - and change to d, or delete. This specific group 00:57:450 (1,2,3,1) - repeats itself, idenpendently of the color order, before and through the kiais without nothing behind. So I think as an introductory way, need to be alone. If deleted 00:57:002 (3) -, consider changing 00:56:107 (1) - to d. Same with the other part before the second kiai


Muzukashii
00:51:181 (1) - and 01:48:495 (1) - to k, same as Futsuu
01:40:435 (1) - to d like 00:43:122 (2) - as in Futsuu


Oni
I think Oni does not have that base of thinking anymore because it's a little more complex than that of course, but I'm gonna tell you the notes below if you are interested

00:43:122 (2) - and 01:40:435 (2) - are fine because they are d

00:51:181 (1) - k
01:48:495 (2) - k (can Ctrl G 01:48:271 (2,1,2) -)
01:52:077 (2) - d

Your small-sv changes got me into taiko basically
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Kantan
Controversial for the 1/2 imprementation but perfect for me Good to hear that. It seems that leaving all 1/2 as dd or kk is a good decision.


Futsuu

00:43:122 (1) - change to d like in 01:40:435 (2) - While possible to me, the ding in background is so significant that I wonder if I should completely omit that. Also in 01:39:539 (1,1,2) - I used d (2) because I see three notes representing the vocal more important than the ding (Note that in 00:42:002 (2,1,1,1,1,1) - it's a section without rest, implying no emphasis on the subsection 00:42:226 (1,1,1) -). That explains why I think different hitsound in same song section is justified in this case.

I think 00:51:181 (1) - has to be a k because this ones 00:45:808 (1) -, 00:47:599 (1) -, 00:49:390 (1) - ends with a k by the vocal (then the voice calms down at 00:52:972 (1) -, 00:54:763 (2) - and then come back at 00:56:554 (2) -, 00:58:345 (1) - with more k). Like this (4-2-2 is more solid), not kkkdddkk. Do the same with the other part before the second kiai But the 1/1 vocal at 00:50:286 (1,1,1) - alone is strong enough to justify dkd. Sections like 00:45:360 (1,2,1) - have their own hitsound arrangement because of their respective pitch levels as well, and I don't see any contradiction between them.

00:57:002 (3) - move to 00:56:331 (2) - and change to d, or delete. This specific group 00:57:450 (1,2,3,1) - repeats itself, idenpendently of the color order, before and through the kiais without nothing behind. So I think as an introductory way, need to be alone. If deleted 00:57:002 (3) -, consider changing 00:56:107 (1) - to d. Same with the other part before the second kiai You have a point but I have my reasons to remain unchanged. Considering the vocal spot from 00:56:554 - to 00:57:226. I can make patterns like this but I concern about the rhythmic difficulty. But I don't want emptying that spot either (as what you suggested) because I see vocal at 00:56:107 - to 00:58:345 - as one consecutive, complete section, with no breaks in between as proof. That's why I believe current setup is the balance between my two concerns, which I'd prefer over your suggestion.


Muzukashii
00:51:181 (1) - and 01:48:495 (1) - to k, same as Futsuu ^ See my response in futsuu
01:40:435 (1) - to d like 00:43:122 (2) - as in Futsuu ^ See futsuu


Oni
I think Oni does not have that base of thinking anymore because it's a little more complex than that of course, but I'm gonna tell you the notes below if you are interested

00:43:122 (2) - and 01:40:435 (2) - are fine because they are d Since in oni I have same pattern arrangements, the focus can be made the same and hence both d fit well imo.

00:51:181 (1) - k ^ Same as futsuu
01:48:495 (2) - k (can Ctrl G 01:48:271 (2,1,2) -) I prefer d because 01:48:271 (2,1,2,1,1,1,2) - is an instrument section that I'm trying to follow. Also 01:48:271 (2,1,2) - agrees with the falling vocal pitch as well.

01:52:077 (2) - d Changed to 01:51:853 - d, and 01:52:077 - k. I guess this makes a better balance between the conflicting pitch rise/fall among the vocal and instrument.

Your small-sv changes got me into taiko basically Glad to hear that :)


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Quick note here that kantan does not allow 1/2 patterns. It is implemented independent of BPM.

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Quick note here that kantan does not allow 1/2 patterns. It is implemented independent of BPM.

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I don't think there's a hard rule for that

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In that meaning: Typical for a Kantan is the usage of 1/1 notes and 2/1 spaces or above, which gives the new player the possibility to prepare himself for the next patterns.


Similar to my previous ranked mapset, both kantan have dd/kk 1/2 but with reasonable space for players to react. Also they are not very frequent and correspond reasonably to song rhythm/vocal. Several modders have checked kantan before, and would have strongly asked for delection if they find them problematic.
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Kantan
00:18:047 - change kat, for consistency


Futsuu
00:03:719 - change kat, it feels monotoune
00:10:883 - ^
00:18:047 - ^
01:39:987 - change kat, to emphasize note forward


Muzukashii
01:09:763 - change kat , to emphasize note forward
01:12:674 - change don ? calm sound here
01:22:301 - | 01:22:748 - add note
01:39:316 (2,1,1,1) - change kd k d , 01:40:435 - sound is different with 01:41:331 -
02:19:614 - | 02:20:062 - add note


Oni
01:39:316 (2,1,1) - change kd k
01:48:271 - change dong, ddd more fit to hear
02:07:077 - change kat, for a good flow

that's all from me
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