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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Friday, September 15, 2017 at 9:58:56 PM

Artist: Nightwish
Title: Romanticide
Tags: once marathon english rock symphonic metal
BPM: 156
Filesize: 9602kb
Play Time: 05:01
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  • 00:04:104 (4,1) - The super low spacing here doesn't work imo. You'd be better off if you used it at places like 00:59:486 (9,1) -
  • 00:15:641 - Sound here is too important to be ignored
  • 00:27:949 - Same here as above.
  • 00:53:717 (4) - This should be mapped as 2 circles, since the sound on the slider end is stronger than the one on the slider head. It's because this slider covers two very distinct sounds unlike 00:52:564 (1,2,3) - where it's just 1 sound per slider
  • 01:02:853 - 01:05:930 - 01:09:007 - Why are you cutting the streams one note short here? They should be fully mapped. Do like you did here 01:27:180 (15) -
  • 01:11:026 - Why do you keep ignoring these? They are noticeable drum beats that you should be following. You map to the drums but then you just ignore drum beats
  • 01:59:680 (1,2) - This should be done the same way as 02:02:757 (1,2) - with 2 reverse sliders
  • 02:27:372 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Why is the stream here divided, it should be constant 1/4
  • 02:41:218 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Properly stack these
  • 02:44:295 (1) - Make it so the curve of the slider continues the curve of the stream
  • The way you NC is also very inconsistent, there doesn't seem to be a clear logic behind it. Maybe try redoing it, since it's pretty weird right now. You end up with combos in the 19
  • I don't have really anything to say for the ending, it's really well made. The map overall is very strong, this is my favourite map from you
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  • 00:04:104 (4,1) - The super low spacing here doesn't work imo. You'd be better off if you used it at places like 00:59:486 (9,1) -
    any thoughts why?
  • 00:15:641 - Sound here is too important to be ignored
    yep, main line ( 00:15:257 / 00:15:449 / 00:15:834 / 00:16:218 ) which i following in this practicular spot ,akes this beat quite negligible imo
  • 00:27:949 - Same here as above.
  • 00:53:717 (4) - This should be mapped as 2 circles, since the sound on the slider end is stronger than the one on the slider head. It's because this slider covers two very distinct sounds unlike 00:52:564 (1,2,3) - where it's just 1 sound per slider
    reasonable, I'll think about patterning to change this. Edit: tried this in various ways and i didn't like outcome with 7 circles, seems a bit unbalanced to me
  • 01:02:853 - 01:05:930 - 01:09:007 - Why are you cutting the streams one note short here? They should be fully mapped. Do like you did here 01:27:180 (15) -
    to split up guitar parts, i believe this is better for insane playability than just 10 seconds long stream while still keeping rhythm
  • 01:11:026 - Why do you keep ignoring these? They are noticeable drum beats that you should be following. You map to the drums but then you just ignore drum beats
    as mentioned above floor toms prioritized here to me that's why this beat is skipped
  • 01:59:680 (1,2) - This should be done the same way as 02:02:757 (1,2) - with 2 reverse sliders
    progression, intro.. treat this that way
  • 02:27:372 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Why is the stream here divided, it should be constant 1/4
    same reason as for above stream section
  • 02:41:218 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Properly stack these
    ops, right
  • 02:44:295 (1) - Make it so the curve of the slider continues the curve of the stream
    k
  • The way you NC is also very inconsistent, there doesn't seem to be a clear logic behind it. Maybe try redoing it, since it's pretty weird right now. You end up with combos in the 19
    it's pmuch self consistent for parts tho, dunno
  • I don't have really anything to say for the ending, it's really well made. The map overall is very strong, this is my favourite map from you

thanks, really appreciate
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00:02:950 (1,2,3,4) - I'd just use two identical shapes repeated twice, in this configuration it feels like (1) is left out
00:08:718 (7) - move it a little so that it lines with 00:09:295 (1) - perfectly like so
02:28:910 (1,2,3,4) - how about circles in between?
02:44:295 (1) - maybe flow it a little better with the stream shape?
03:51:797 - lacks a circle
03:58:218 - same, even though you're following vocals you can't just ignore this sound
04:33:135 (6,7) - increase spacing
04:45:174 (11) - NC maybe?

Good map, good music.

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ааааа

00:04:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - странно ты делишь их спейсингом. Вот тута 00:04:872 - меняется ударный и продолжается прям до конца паттерна.
Выделить бы этот звук как-нибудь по типу такого.
00:05:064 (4,5) - че-т как-то перепутал хсы. 00:05:064 - сюда ж вистл, а сюда 00:05:257 - финиш.
00:44:295 (4) - и 00:49:294 (1) - вот у тебя там всё очень круто замапано под вокал, а тут странно как-то. Поделить бы их на два серкла каждый.
01:02:372 (9) - / 01:05:449 - / 01:08:526 (9) - и так далее — нк пихнуть на каждый такой порванный стримец. Для лучшего емпхазиса.
03:51:797 - мне этот пропуск не очень нравится, но, посмотрев на парт целиком, увидел, что там всё консистент. идк короче. Попробуй поставить серкл и застакать его с 03:51:663 - . Вроде неплохо.
04:51:329 (3) - вот интенсивность нарастает в треке, а у тебя стоит просто слайдер, которым ты выделял звуки по типу 04:50:794 - и 04:51:061 - . Подели же на два серкла и джамп еще можно сделать.

круто.
комбо немного смущают, иногда слишком длинные имо

удачи там
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00:02:950 (1,2,3,4) - I'd just use two identical shapes repeated twice, in this configuration it feels like (1) is left out
mhm, changed it a little bit
00:08:718 (7) - move it a little so that it lines with 00:09:295 (1) - perfectly like so
yup
02:28:910 (1,2,3,4) - how about circles in between?
i don't see necessity in this
02:44:295 (1) - maybe flow it a little better with the stream shape?
changed
03:51:797 - lacks a circle
not really, pause here to separate new music\vocal stanza
03:58:218 - same, even though you're following vocals you can't just ignore this sound
04:33:135 (6,7) - increase spacing
I don't see necessity in this, pmuch consistent with other 1\2 in this part
04:45:174 (11) - NC maybe?
want this to be a solid combo

Good map, good music.

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Namki wrote:
ааааа

00:04:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - странно ты делишь их спейсингом. Вот тута 00:04:872 - меняется ударный и продолжается прям до конца паттерна.
Выделить бы этот звук как-нибудь по типу такого.
вроде по гитаре поделил? можно конечно и так, но не хочется прям со старта
00:05:064 (4,5) - че-т как-то перепутал хсы. 00:05:064 - сюда ж вистл, а сюда 00:05:257 - финиш.
ну да
00:44:295 (4) - и 00:49:294 (1) - вот у тебя там всё очень круто замапано под вокал, а тут странно как-то. Поделить бы их на два серкла каждый.
попробовал, но что-то не то, не очень нравится
01:02:372 (9) - / 01:05:449 - / 01:08:526 (9) - и так далее — нк пихнуть на каждый такой порванный стримец. Для лучшего емпхазиса.
возможно, подумаю над нк
03:51:797 - мне этот пропуск не очень нравится, но, посмотрев на парт целиком, увидел, что там всё консистент. идк короче. Попробуй поставить серкл и застакать его с 03:51:663 - . Вроде неплохо.
консистент, уже написал, что таких пауз овер дофига по дифке и как по мне такое разделение имеет смысл
04:51:329 (3) - вот интенсивность нарастает в треке, а у тебя стоит просто слайдер, которым ты выделял звуки по типу 04:50:794 - и 04:51:061 - . Подели же на два серкла и джамп еще можно сделать.
хочу оставить их одинаковыми со всем остальным 04:46:513 (1,2,3) - 04:50:794 (1,2,3) - там типо все один и тот же звук, добавил чуть спейсинга как альтернативу

круто.
комбо немного смущают, иногда слишком длинные имо
о да, есть такое, длинные, подумаю. но что их бояться?

удачи там

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your ncs after downbeat aa


Insane
care to explain the nc after downbeat thing because the don't seem to fit at all to me so an explanation as to your intention would really help me understand why you chose to do this, also please give some insight on the stuff at the end cuz i want to learn about what you're doing here (which is why i picked this map) and stuff yea :?

- 00:43:141 (1,2) - this flow is unusually awkward compared to the other times this phrase occurs, maybe adjust to be a bit more comfortable?
- 00:44:295 (4) - to me sounds better as two circles cuz both guitar and vocals are distinct on both ticks
- 00:51:217 (8) - ^ except only vocals here
- 00:53:717 (4) - ^ especially here since guitar is really distinct, maybe stack two circles? // 01:24:487 (4) - same with other instances
- 01:10:257 (4,5,6) - Spacing is kind of confusing imo, especially 4,5... stacking 4 with the tail of 01:09:487 (2) - might work?
- 01:28:525 (7,1) - wasn't this stacked in the previous kiai? 00:57:756 (7,1) -
- 02:15:834 (4) - gonna stop pointing out places you can put two circles but as a general opinion i don't like how you cover these distinct notes with sliders when you use sliders like 02:16:410 (6) - right after that have nothing on the tail, it just doesn't feel fitting imo
- 04:08:787 (5) - ... i don't know what you're doing with your ncs but pretty sure this might fit into your structure if you nc'd this and removed the one on 04:09:590 (1) -

one more general thing I kinda am wondering about 03:55:944 (1,2,3) - these types of sliders look fairly unique but you put them on different sounds pretty often.. like here they land on the "oh" sounds or whatever, but at 03:57:549 (9) - there isn't a circle slider, but at 03:58:887 (3) - there's one on an "aa" sound which doesn't fit the patterning you used for this before. then there's 01:16:987 (1) - ... idk i don't feel these sliders fit where you put them

also the rhythm is kinda weird to me, you use sliders to cover sometimes two distinct sounds after or before sliders that use filler rhythm. an example would be 01:23:333 (1,2,3,4) - the 4 in this (not filler rhythm but the guitar is being followed here i think) or 02:15:834 (4,6) - (definitely filler rhythm on the 6) and so on

that's all from me! good luck!
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your ncs after downbeat aa


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care to explain the nc after downbeat thing because the don't seem to fit at all to me so an explanation as to your intention would really help me understand why you chose to do this, also please give some insight on the stuff at the end cuz i want to learn about what you're doing here (which is why i picked this map) and stuff yea :?

00:01:412 (1) - 00:14:872 (11) should be pmuch obvious NCs are on guitar stanzas here
00:15:257 (1) - that's a strong switch, preferably requests nc
00:17:949 (7) - finisher for a prev. pattern\stanza, so nc is on following object
00:18:334 (1) - 00:27:180 (8) - NCs are highlighted as new vocal stanzas parts, nothing extraordinary pmuch possible variant
00:27:564 (9) - this is probably missed one to be consistent as 00:15:257 (1) for the intro part, were kept as one combo because if fits pattering 00:26:987 (7,8,9,10) - but w\e, guess it might be changed if any
00:29:103 (1) - guitar split
00:30:834 (1) - 00:40:064 (11) - NCs in verse part, splatted by vocal, play-rhythm stanzas
00:40:257 (1) - highlighted switch
00:43:141 (1) - 00:52:372 (11) - NCs in verse part, splatted by vocal, play-rhythm stanzas
00:52:564 (1) - highlighted switch
00:55:064 (1) - 00:59:486 (9) - standard combing used in stream parts
00:59:872 (1) - guitar split
01:01:218 (1) - this one is because of radically new music stanza music following by
01:01:603 (1) - long stream splitted as one combo
01:02:949 (1) - guitar splitted parts
01:10:641 (5) - again, this probably will be also highlighted as 00:15:257 (1)
01:12:180 (1) - guitar split
01:13:910 (1) - 2nd verse part, same as above
01:31:987 (1) - 01:56:410 (10) - play-rhythm / music based splitted, nothing unusual
01:59:680 (1) - 02:51:795 (7) - ^
02:51:987 (1) - 03:16:603 (11) - ^
2nd part uses the same logic where downbeat that can be interpreted as finisher for prev. stanza\rhythm\pattern in vocal parts may not be NC
as for long combos - as long as they not unreasonably long and wont hurt hp drain I don't see any issues


- 00:43:141 (1,2) - this flow is unusually awkward compared to the other times this phrase occurs, maybe adjust to be a bit more comfortable?
unusually awkward?
- 00:44:295 (4) - to me sounds better as two circles cuz both guitar and vocals are distinct on both ticks
explanation on this below, on - 02:15:834 (4)
- 00:51:217 (8) - ^ except only vocals here
prefer to keep this for gameplay balance
- 00:53:717 (4) - ^ especially here since guitar is really distinct, maybe stack two circles? // 01:24:487 (4) - same with other instances
yes, already told about this one, tried it as circles and I don't like how following 7 1\2 objects became unbalanced for play for this part
- 01:10:257 (4,5,6) - Spacing is kind of confusing imo, especially 4,5... stacking 4 with the tail of 01:09:487 (2) - might work?
nice idea
- 01:28:525 (7,1) - wasn't this stacked in the previous kiai? 00:57:756 (7,1) -
yea.. guess I'll change this for sake of.. uhm.. it
- 02:15:834 (4) - gonna stop pointing out places you can put two circles but as a general opinion i don't like how you cover these distinct notes with sliders when you use sliders like 02:16:410 (6) - right after that have nothing on the tail, it just doesn't feel fitting imo
guess i'll do some work for this part
- 04:08:787 (5) - ... i don't know what you're doing with your ncs but pretty sure this might fit into your structure if you nc'd this and removed the one on 04:09:590 (1) -

one more general thing I kinda am wondering about 03:55:944 (1,2,3) - these types of sliders look fairly unique but you put them on different sounds pretty often.. like here they land on the "oh" sounds or whatever, but at 03:57:549 (9) - there isn't a circle slider, but at 03:58:887 (3) - there's one on an "aa" sound which doesn't fit the patterning you used for this before. then there's 01:16:987 (1) - ... idk i don't feel these sliders fit where you put them
uh.. they are not supposed (well at least not intended to be, lol) to be fairly unique, I tried to use them from time to time on different spots as addition to already used slider shapes, they give a bit of freedom in flow transfer. I'll ask for more opinions on this matter, interesting note.

also the rhythm is kinda weird to me, you use sliders to cover sometimes two distinct sounds after or before sliders that use filler rhythm. an example would be 01:23:333 (1,2,3,4) - the 4 in this (not filler rhythm but the guitar is being followed here i think) or 02:15:834 (4,6) - (definitely filler rhythm on the 6) and so on
already wrote about above, think about this as general play-rhythm balancing for parts and overall play-rhythm simplification
for example this 01:01:218 (1) - part, if I going to stress every distinct beat here this will become endless stream that will be a bit out of overall level, while atm I choose to make play-rhythm more simple in order to balance things in whole, tho I'll check every spot mentioned and make changes if outcome will match my intensions


that's all from me! good luck!


thanks, that was quite interesting, really appreciate
will update a bit later
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00:08:334 (4) i think you can move to x:137 y:321
00:14:103 (6) maybe move to x:484 y:152 for distance like next 8,9 circles?
00:26:987 (7,8) i think this distance can do slightly are close
00:47:949 (6) move left for flow
01:09:487 (2,4) I think the circle is better suited if you put the arc slider 2
01:12:564 (3) move up and 5,6 do are close for distance
01:58:334 you have guitar sounds, maybe put slider and reverse?
03:37:416 (8) move to x:119 y:52 for distance?
04:07:717 (1,2,3,4,5) different range, do some?
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Thanks for the explanation Sieg! It did help me understand a bit about why you were NCing after the downbeat and not on it. Seems you were following specific instrument stanzas and not the song's downbeat (for some time, correct me if I'm wrong.)
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Thanks for the explanation Sieg! It did help me understand a bit about why you were NCing after the downbeat and not on it. Seems you were following specific instrument stanzas and not the song's downbeat (for some time, correct me if I'm wrong.)

yup, also reviewed everything carefully again and made some more rhythm changes from your suggestions
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00:08:334 (4) i think you can move to x:137 y:321
y
00:14:103 (6) maybe move to x:484 y:152 for distance like next 8,9 circles?
00:26:987 (7,8) i think this distance can do slightly are close
uh
00:47:949 (6) move left for flow
y
01:09:487 (2,4) I think the circle is better suited if you put the arc slider 2
01:12:564 (3) move up and 5,6 do are close for distance
uhm
01:58:334 you have guitar sounds, maybe put slider and reverse?
like as it is
03:37:416 (8) move to x:119 y:52 for distance?
y
04:07:717 (1,2,3,4,5) different range, do some?
?


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Things I found when playing:
00:04:488 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Very uncomfortable to play this linear pattern.
01:59:680 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Unsupported by music. Needs more clicking like in what follows.

Things I found when looking in editor:
00:10:064 (3), 0012:757 (2) - These could flow better into the next slider. Feels too linear.
00:18:910 (3,4) - Appears same as 00:18:334 (1,2) but they have different timing.
01:33:718 (3,4,5) - Linear pattern does a poor job emphasizing this. 01:41:410 (3,4,5) This pattern with expanding caps is better.
01:56:603 (1) - I would ignore the singer and map the drums. Would make for a better transitioning to the next part.
03:19:680 (1) - I assume this spinner is here so it would be full 5 minutes of drain time. Slow slider might be better.
04:17:616 (1,2) - Very uncomfortable angle to follow.

Overall I don't agree with a lot of the linear patterns that are in the map. But if you find a fix for 01:59:680 (1) it's all good.
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