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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 6:21:44 PM

Artist: Camellia
Title: put' l'da
Tags: ice path cametek kamelcamellia かめるかめりあ TF40K E.P.
BPM: 200
Filesize: 10206kb
Play Time: 04:53
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Download: Camellia - put' l'da
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Ice Path~

it back, and now with rankable drain time!

REDL AFTER 10TH OF SEPTEMBER FOR NEW MP3

uhh 6 stars help me

it's back

it's finished.
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Don't you think naming like it's originally called would be correct, and placing translated in tags instead? For me it makes more sense









stream when
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den0saur wrote:
Don't you think naming like it's originally called would be correct, and placing translated in tags instead? For me it makes more sense









stream when there are many streams in it Kappa


Idk im unsure how to title it, i have the russian in http://i.imgur.com/dcHXssC.png as the non-romanised title so idk
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den0saur wrote:
Don't you think naming like it's originally called would be correct, and placing translated in tags instead? For me it makes more sense









stream when there are many streams in it Kappa


Idk im unsure how to title it, i have the russian in http://i.imgur.com/dcHXssC.png as the non-romanised title so idk


And that's the problem, translation is not romanization.



..and you get what exactly type of stream i meant ;)..
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fine

and yes i know what type of stream you mean :^)
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"5:02 length"
Good luck LOL
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"5:02 length"
Good luck LOL

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hello, from modreqs


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  • game considers drain time to be 4:53, which is problematic for a marathon set
  • artist: かめりあ romanized Camellia
  • title: путь льда (put' l'da) no romanization
  • tags: i would put genre, album name, cametek, kamelcamellia, かめるかめりあ (not sure if you should put translated title in tags but leaning towards not putting it in there


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  • 00:08:413 (1,2) - move towards the left so that the previous note flows straight into these notes
  • for this first section, be careful with mapping consistently mapping similar sounds in similar ways. ex: 00:04:363 (5) - 00:06:613 (5,6) - 00:11:563 (4) - 00:13:963 (6) - are all mapped with different emphasis for each, even though they sound really similar in the music
  • 00:09:163 (5) - i would flip this note around a bit so that it follows the same movement style as 00:08:713 (3,4) - (a possible way to do that would be to copy 3,4 and rotate it about 60-72 degrees and then match it up. right now flow is a bit awkward for no reason
  • 00:15:613 (1) - move up above the two sliders so that the cursor flows smoothly from the slider to another
  • 00:22:813 (1,2) - make this form a more nice circle, for aesthetics
  • 00:41:563 (5) - 00:42:013 (1) - emphasize this more
  • 00:45:913 (2,3) - cool
  • 00:49:213 (1) - maybe emphasize this more (a little bit offset from the stream?)
  • 00:49:663 (2,5) - blanket better if that is what you were going to do
  • 01:15:013 (6,7,8,9,10) - maybe use sliders here to prepare the player for the doubles, like
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  • also would NC the 6 as in the screenshot
  • 01:19:813 (6) - ^ same here but the circles are probably okay
  • 01:22:363 (7) - doubles are necessary here becuase they are still the focus of the music.
  • 01:26:563 - i think it's a bit of a shame that you didn't map this because it's really cool. perhaps try an accelerator stream or something along those lines
  • 01:35:113 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - i understand why you do this weird wiggle here and i think that's cool but not sure why you do it 01:36:163 (1,2,3,4,5) - for this one, try something more along the lines of what you do 01:35:713 (1,2,3,4,5) -
    OR if you want to keep that wiggle, try something like this because it think it reflects the music a little better:
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  • 01:36:913 (4,5,6,7) - is different from 01:36:763 (2,3) - yet you have the same mapping. try bigger spacing or something for 4-7
  • 01:40:813 (1,1,1,1,1) - this is 1/3 yes, but to introduce it to the player like this is really hard to hit accurately. the player is coming off of a jump and a stream. try using 1/3 reverse sliders or something along those lines to make it easier to hit
  • 01:42:763 (3,3,3,3) - maybe use kick sliders for this like you did before because there are notes on the blue ticks
  • 01:43:813 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i see why you did this, but it doesn't fit in the context of this map and the song . you have never done these types of streams anywhere else in the map beforehand. also, this pattern comes right after a change in the patterning. instead, try something like this:
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  • 01:58:513 (1,1,1) - the other 1/3rds you have like this are fine, but this one doesn't work as well. the other ones have a jump from the last 1/3 to the next slider, but this one instead smoothly goes into the next slider, which doesn't work as well (especially after the other ones that you do)
  • 02:06:013 (1) - i do sort of have a problem with this jump but it's okay becuase it's followed by nothing
  • 02:06:479 - i know why you don't map it (for drain time) , but this part really should be mapped fully or be a break. if you want to map it, make sure you be really careful about following them melody but keeping the intensity of the map low to contrast the other parts of the map
  • 02:10:663 (4) - there is nothing in the music here to suggest that a circle should be here; and if you get rid of it, then you must move 02:10:813 (1) - so that it flows better
  • 02:18:463 - there should be something here because this is when the melody starts again
  • 02:14:113 (6,1) - better blanket please
  • 03:05:113 (2) - make this straight
  • 03:13:213 (1) - same as above
  • 03:19:513 (2,3,1) - i would keep the same motion as in the previous two times that you mapped these sounds
  • 03:41:863 (1) - this should be on the red tick i think (anyway it's less confusing)
  • 03:48:913 (1,2,3,4) - same as before
  • 03:53:713 (1,1,1) - by the way, this is okay because you introduce this patterning of the 1/3rds in a new section!
  • 04:08:713 (3,5,7) - NC, like you do everywhere else that you have this pattern
  • 04:23:263 (2,3,1,2,3) - i think this is not the right pattern you should do here. instead of repeating the pattern 3 times, change the pattern with the music (i think that the first two sliders should not be patterned like this, but the next 3 sliders maybe should be) ex:
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  • 04:34:813 - for this section to the end, i would consider progressively making the hitsounds softer becuase the music does the same.
  • 04:44:113 (1,1) - very unexpected for a slow section. try using a slider then circle instead of circle then slider
  • 04:53:713 (1) - if you want to keep this slier, make sure you make the hitsounds very soft. right now the slider tick hitsounds get in the way of the fadeout in the music. also possible is to replace the slider with a spinner

if you have any questions pm me and/or reply to the mod and i'll be sure to help! i know that sometimes my explanations can be confusing or nonsensical

good luck!
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hello, from modreqs


general
  • game considers drain time to be 4:53, which is problematic for a marathon set The real drain time is over 5 minutes though so it's fine
  • artist: かめりあ romanized Camellia added moonrunes
  • title: путь льда (put' l'da) no romanization Can't do this as then there wouldnt be any title of the song visible.
  • tags: i would put genre, album name, cametek, kamelcamellia, かめるかめりあ (not sure if you should put translated title in tags but leaning towards not putting it in there added some tags


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  • 00:08:413 (1,2) - move towards the left so that the previous note flows straight into these notes adjusted this
  • for this first section, be careful with mapping consistently mapping similar sounds in similar ways. ex: 00:04:363 (5) - 00:06:613 (5,6) - 00:11:563 (4) - 00:13:963 (6) - are all mapped with different emphasis for each, even though they sound really similar in the music I know i'm not quite sure how to fix this, i might remap it a little bit but right now im too tired to do that c:
  • 00:09:163 (5) - i would flip this note around a bit so that it follows the same movement style as 00:08:713 (3,4) - (a possible way to do that would be to copy 3,4 and rotate it about 60-72 degrees and then match it up. right now flow is a bit awkward for no reason adjusted
  • 00:15:613 (1) - move up above the two sliders so that the cursor flows smoothly from the slider to another alright
  • 00:22:813 (1,2) - make this form a more nice circle, for aesthetics it would ruin the aesthetic where 1's slidertail is in the middle of the following slider's pattern
  • 00:41:563 (5) - 00:42:013 (1) - emphasize this more alright
  • 00:45:913 (2,3) - cool agree
  • 00:49:213 (1) - maybe emphasize this more (a little bit offset from the stream?) having it as the last note in the stream is emphasis enough, especially considering this is the first stream
  • 00:49:663 (2,5) - blanket better if that is what you were going to do sure
  • 01:15:013 (6,7,8,9,10) - maybe use sliders here to prepare the player for the doubles, like
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    I think it works fine as is, they are pretty easy to hit and i don't want to simplify rhythm just because people cant click doubles
  • also would NC the 6 as in the screenshot I have NC's in this section on downbeats, and i think it works right now
  • 01:19:813 (6) - ^ same here but the circles are probably okay as above
  • 01:22:363 (7) - doubles are necessary here becuase they are still the focus of the music. fixed, and made the triple a quad to follow the doubles in the music
  • 01:26:563 - i think it's a bit of a shame that you didn't map this because it's really cool. perhaps try an accelerator stream or something along those lines not mapping it makes the next notes more emphasized, and it works well as a drain section imo
  • 01:35:113 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - i understand why you do this weird wiggle here and i think that's cool but not sure why you do it 01:36:163 (1,2,3,4,5) - for this one, try something more along the lines of what you do 01:35:713 (1,2,3,4,5) -
    OR if you want to keep that wiggle, try something like this because it think it reflects the music a little better:
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    I'll keep this as I think it flows/fits fine with the music as is
  • 01:36:913 (4,5,6,7) - is different from 01:36:763 (2,3) - yet you have the same mapping. try bigger spacing or something for 4-7 It's barely different and therefore i think it's fine being a simple stream
  • 01:40:813 (1,1,1,1,1) - this is 1/3 yes, but to introduce it to the player like this is really hard to hit accurately. the player is coming off of a jump and a stream. try using 1/3 reverse sliders or something along those lines to make it easier to hit I understand where you're coming from but I don't feel like simplifying the rhythms, even if this is difficult to hit as it's pretty sudden, this is a difficult map.
  • 01:42:763 (3,3,3,3) - maybe use kick sliders for this like you did before because there are notes on the blue ticks prefer it this way, no need for kicksliders tbh
  • 01:43:813 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i see why you did this, but it doesn't fit in the context of this map and the song . you have never done these types of streams anywhere else in the map beforehand. also, this pattern comes right after a change in the patterning. instead, try something like this:
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    They fit and play well enough for me not to remove them, and it's consistent with the other similar section which is why I'll keep this for now.
  • 01:58:513 (1,1,1) - the other 1/3rds you have like this are fine, but this one doesn't work as well. the other ones have a jump from the last 1/3 to the next slider, but this one instead smoothly goes into the next slider, which doesn't work as well (especially after the other ones that you do) This is true but I don't have a lot of space and it would be difficult to read if i made it the same pattern as the others, and it still works imo
  • 02:06:013 (1) - i do sort of have a problem with this jump but it's okay becuase it's followed by nothing kick
  • 02:06:479 - i know why you don't map it (for drain time) , but this part really should be mapped fully or be a break. if you want to map it, make sure you be really careful about following them melody but keeping the intensity of the map low to contrast the other parts of the map As the drums have stopped I stop mapping, also because of drain time,
    but I think the drain section works, and you barely lose HP here so it's fine from a playability perspective.
  • 02:10:663 (4) - there is nothing in the music here to suggest that a circle should be here; and if you get rid of it, then you must move 02:10:813 (1) - so that it flows better The synth(?) is on this beat therefore I have a note here
  • 02:18:463 - there should be something here because this is when the melody starts againright here I am following the drums
  • 02:14:113 (6,1) - better blanket please ok
  • 03:05:113 (2) - make this straight Why? O:
  • 03:13:213 (1) - same as above ?
  • 03:19:513 (2,3,1) - i would keep the same motion as in the previous two times that you mapped these sounds adjusted
  • 03:41:863 (1) - this should be on the red tick i think (anyway it's less confusing) sure I did this,better for playability even though it's not 100% accurate
  • 03:48:913 (1,2,3,4) - same as before same as my response before
  • 03:53:713 (1,1,1) - by the way, this is okay because you introduce this patterning of the 1/3rds in a new section! !
  • 04:08:713 (3,5,7) - NC, like you do everywhere else that you have this pattern alright
  • 04:23:263 (2,3,1,2,3) - i think this is not the right pattern you should do here. instead of repeating the pattern 3 times, change the pattern with the music (i think that the first two sliders should not be patterned like this, but the next 3 sliders maybe should be) ex:
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    changed this up a little
  • 04:34:813 - for this section to the end, i would consider progressively making the hitsounds softer becuase the music does the same. aight
  • 04:44:113 (1,1) - very unexpected for a slow section. try using a slider then circle instead of circle then sliderthink this is fine because of slider leniency
  • 04:53:713 (1) - if you want to keep this slier, make sure you make the hitsounds very soft. right now the slider tick hitsounds get in the way of the fadeout in the music. also possible is to replace the slider with a spinner tried to soften the hitsounds

if you have any questions pm me and/or reply to the mod and i'll be sure to help! i know that sometimes my explanations can be confusing or nonsensical Mostly understandable!

good luck!

Thanks a lot for the mod! ♥
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00:08:263 (6,1,2) - Feel like this is odd flow change
00:22:213 (4,2) - Overlap, also could be visually equidistant to 00:22:813 (1) -
00:25:213 (1,2,3) - Visual spacing here could also be more uniform
00:28:363 (3,2) - Slidertail stacking is off
00:38:563 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - So, this looks kinda weird, because you have the hexagon shape but then it has overlaps that could be avoided at 00:38:863 (3,1) - and 00:38:563 (2,7) - also, 00:39:613 (1) - this has no emphasis because of what you did, which is locked distance spacing even tho the sound is pretty strong and would indicate a jump, and i dont think you're trying to make an anti-jump here
01:05:563 (4) - I feel like the sound at 01:05:713 - should have some feedback
01:25:363 (3,5) - 01:36:613 (1,7) - Intentionally offset stacking? idk but i feel like it'd just have been better to stack them
01:46:813 (1) - 02:06:013 (1) - awesome, I really like how u did this part :D
02:43:213 (1,2,3) - don't really agree with this, you have the massive jump at 02:43:213 (1,2) - and then you have 02:43:363 (2,3) - tiny spacing here which i believe players will misread for a double since u have a lot of doubles that look like this previously in the map
02:43:813 (1,2,3) - ^ same as above, also another point about these two is i dont think the music is doing anything that different to validate the antijumps
03:33:013 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I feel like the flow in this section is really weird, the idea is good but could be improved by having 03:33:463 (7,8,1,2,3,4) - these less vertical than they are right now, feel like you did it better at 03:35:413 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
04:05:413 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - :/ dont really like this stream, 04:05:563 (3,7) - you do this again which personally dont think is that good, 04:05:413 (1,2,1) - the overlapping here isnt equidistant, 04:06:013 (1) - should be lower anyway for symmetry


I'm assuming not going for rank with that drain time? makes me sad if so
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So, you're going to need to get this mp3 extended if you want to rank this, since right now, it sounds like the end sound ends on 05:01:213 or maybe right before this. I'm suggesting this because even if it is exactly at the 5 minute mark, you're missing out on good opportunities for breaks because of this, such as ones i'll point out in the mod.


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00:01:663 (3) - 00:03:163 (6) - 00:05:263 (3) - I think changing these to circles to create more 1/1 gaps would work better, considering you have beats of the melody mapped on slider tails like at 00:01:213 (1). Lowering the rhythm density in this section also doesn't hurt and leads to better contrast with the next section
00:01:963 (4,5) - 00:03:763 (2,3) - Spacing really seems a bit too high here, considering the previous 1/2 spacings. I recommend reducing this to maybe 2x DS so that you still have contrast, but it isn't as overbearing.
00:39:163 (5,6,7,1) - Since intensity picks up here, it makes sense to incorporate more spacing emphasis for these beats. You could approach this in multiple ways, but I managed to get something "okay" by just rearranging the position of these on your hexagon.
00:50:263 (1) - 00:52:663 (1) - Doesn't make much sense to completely skip the downbeat to emphasize the hold of a sound that cuts off. I recommend shortening this to a 1/2 slider. This creates a 1/1 rhythm gap, so you'll have to space it accordingly (really big spacing works quite well in this case).
00:57:913 (3,4) - Makes sense to increase spacing here since 4 is a higher pitch than 3.
00:58:513 (7,8,9,10,1) - Decreasing spacing and maybe even having this stream lead into the next slider uncomfortably would add a really nice contrast when the next part comes in.
01:11:713 (1) - You could try a 1/2 reverse here to catch that guitar sound. I think it fits with your note density better than the red node does.
01:22:738 (11) - I love quads and all, but this isn't a place where they fit, since the guitar starts on 01:22:663 (10). This mixes the melody line and the background guitar in a way that isn't really predictable, nor does it emphasize anything particular. I recommend deleting this circle and changing your spacing to accomodate this.
01:24:013 - Based on the 1-2 rhythms you have, I think you're better off spamming 1/4 sliders than using triples.
01:30:013 (1,2) - I'm not a fan of how little emphasis there is to the sharp sound on 2 due to the comfortable movement. Try something like this.
01:40:813 (1,1,1) - Due to the held sounds, I think you're honestly better off with a 1/3 repeat with high SV. It's also the first time 1/3 is introduced in the map, even introduced after a stream. I'd probably use around this much SV with a curve to slow it down a bit.
01:42:613 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - A gradual spacing increase (0.05-0.1x) for each triple would be cool here to represent the increasing intensity.
01:52:663 (6,7) - I liked the movement you had at 01:47:863 (6,7) - better for these sounds since they really don't deserve a harsh movement like what you have now.
01:52:963 (1,2) - This spacing is ridiculously high compared to 01:48:163 (1,2). You should reduce spacing here to keep consistency.
01:58:613 (1,1) - I think you meant to ctrl+g these, since you usually emphasize 01:58:813 (1) with a jump.
02:06:013 - 02:15:913 - Sections like these honestly work much better with breaks than as drain sections.
03:23:713 (4,5) - To me it feels like it makes more sense for this to be a 1/2 slider, given the overall density of the section and the lack of anything strong on the red tick. It's also kinda cool to only have the drums clickable in a section like this.
03:53:913 (1,1) - I miss the emphasis you used to have for these..
04:06:313 (2,6) - I think it makes more sense if you represent the snares with circles due to their nature of being sharp, powerful sounds. This would also lead to some contrast to the kicks you map with the 1/4 sliders.

Good luck!
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Seems like you forgot a break at 02:06:013... Just saying
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When in the world did I subscribe to this thread
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I remapped most of the sections to some degree with help from the mods so I don't think a regular reply is warrented when most of the stuff has been replaced or redone. :) (sori halfy and shigu for no reply)
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00:05:863 - if you're mapping to the beeping noises shouldnt there be something here?

00:11:113 (3,4,5) - would look nicer if spacing was even

00:12:613 (4,5) - sounds better ctrl+g, sound is stronger on slider tail than head here

01:12:088 (1) - spinner feels awfully short, i would turn 01:11:713 (1) - into a circle and start it at the blue tick after that, the circle would better go with this pattern also: 01:11:113 (2,3,4,5) -

01:34:438 (6) - dont want to stop what youre following in the music here, but i'd maybe suggest adding a kickslider to 01:34:438 (6) - to account for that crazy bass sound here

01:35:263 (3,4,5,6,7) - this flow isnt fun to play, especially coming from the direction of 01:35:113 (2) - , i would at least adjust 3,4 to fix it but anything here that improves flow will work. easy change suggestion

01:36:313 (1,2,3) - since you attribute 1 to a kick and 3 to a snare, 2 feels pretty out of place, would suggest another triple before 3 instead. same as 01:55:513 (3,4,5) -

01:41:413 (2) - 19ms second window to hit this object is not enough, please just use 1/8 instead xp and also use nc here to continue 1/3 section from before and for downbeat also

01:52:363 (5,6,7) - the way that these overlaps only barely touch slider 5 combined with how every one of these overlap makes this pattern look a bit forced, try to space it out a little and commit more to your overlaps. same for 01:57:013 (4,5,6) - and your spacing is just rly low there also

02:18:463 - why is this ignored, unlike all other times you've mapped to this melody?

02:33:013 (4,5,6,1) - add some sharper angles here so this plays more comfortably.

02:34:513 (5,6) - since this bass is a different sound here than what you usually map this jump pattern to, I'd recommend adding variety and recognizing that bass somehow.

03:33:013 - not that often that I point things like this out, but I think you should buff this part until 03:46:813 -. When you compare it to 01:27:613 - your first section, the first one uses so many more deathstreams and higher-spaced jumps. comparing to spacing/stamina in the second part that makes them a little inconsistent in difficulty. You don't need to change that much about what you did in the second part, the different patterns you use are fine but try to make it just as challenging.

03:41:413 (5) - again with the 1/16 slider

04:04:363 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - with this 1/2 slider spam you merge the way you map drums and this bass noise because they both alternate. would like to see more variety here for this

04:06:763 (4,5,1) - minor, but the angle of 04:06:913 (5,1) - combined with the slider direction of 1 is uncomfortable to play, theres a lot of reangling here.


needs more feedback but looks like a really cool map, get 2-3 more mods and call me back :)
and im not lettign you get away with only ranking Akikaze
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