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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on March 21, 2017 at 10:30:39 AM

Artist: Tomita Miyu, Onishi Saori, Ohzora Naomi, Hanazawa Kana
Title: Gabriel Drop Kick
Source: ガヴリールドロップアウト
Tags: Kalibe SnowNiNo_ Karen dropout gabdro dropkick ガヴドロ opening full size tenma gabriel white 天真・ガヴリール・ホワイト tsukinose vignette april 月乃瀬・ヴィネット・エイプリル vigne ヴィーネ kurumizawa satanichia mcdowell 胡桃沢・サタニキア・マクドウェル satania サターニャ shiraha raphiel ainsworth 白羽・ラフィエル・エインズワース
BPM: 168
Filesize: 8947kb
Play Time: 03:24
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Download: Tomita Miyu, Onishi Saori, Ohzora Naomi, Hanazawa Kana - Gabriel Drop Kick
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opening (TV) | opening (Full) | ending (TV)
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there are no good widescreen backgrounds for all four characters from gabriel dropout so i photoshopped my own xd
(temporary diff name lmao) decided to use a good ole' oxymoron for the diff name lol i changed the diff name again rofl
the original diff name [I am the Great Archdemon, Future Queen of Hell] was too long lmao
please redownload if you had this mapset before March 20, 2017

Hard by Karen
Insane by Kalibe
Extra by SnowNiNo_

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Ranking Criteria wrote:
Uninherited (red) Timing Sections should be used to accurately map the song's timing. They should synchronize to the beats of the song as accurately as possible and use the correct time signature whenever possible. If an incorrect time signature would last for more than 2 bars, add another timing section to fix it. Please see this thread for more information on downbeats.

00:59:047 - starting here (6/4 336bpm or 2/4 112bpm)
01:03:332 - until here (4/4 168bpm)

There are 4 bars of this so it definitely violates the RC if you plan to go for rank on this. Switching to double bpm will fix the downbeats but having 6 less red lines in the map is going to cause your offset to drift quite a bit less throughout the map so you will have to resnap a bunch of stuff even though in theory all the snaps should be the same.

Similarly in the other 2 places this section repeats of course.

This change puts the section at 8 measures which follows the structure of the rest of the song (2 phrases per section). This gives us:
02:07:618 - Measure 1 (4/4)
02:09:047 - Measure 2 (4/4)
02:10:475 - Measure 3 (6/8)
02:11:546 - Measure 4 (6/8)
02:12:618 - Measure 5 (6/8)
02:13:690 - Measure 6 (6/8)
02:14:761 - Measure 7 (4/4)
02:16:190 - Measure 8 (4/4)

Note that you can hear a slight accent on the vocals for every other beat. Even though the there are 2 groups of 3 by pitch.

02:14:761 (1,2,1) - This was causing me some initial confusion and then I turned off effects. Without the symbol hitsound it's much easier to not confuse it with a downbeat.

Edit: FIXED

P.S. I needed an excuse to listen to this song a bunch. :^)

P.S.S Useful information on how one goes about deciphering this correctly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_form
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Ranking Criteria wrote:
Uninherited (red) Timing Sections should be used to accurately map the song's timing. They should synchronize to the beats of the song as accurately as possible and use the correct time signature whenever possible. If an incorrect time signature would last for more than 2 bars, add another timing section to fix it. Please see this thread for more information on downbeats.

00:59:047 - starting here (6/4 336bpm or 2/4 112bpm)
01:03:332 - until here (4/4 168bpm) there is no point in the song where it goes to 336 bpm, this is a really stupid idea. using 6/4 at such a high bpm complicates the matters even further (due to the nightcore beats) and the song isn't 112 bpm either

There are 4 bars of this so it definitely violates the RC if you plan to go for rank on this. Switching to double bpm will fix the downbeats but having 6 less red lines in the map is going to cause your offset to drift quite a bit less throughout the map so you will have to resnap a bunch of stuff even though in theory all the snaps should be the same.

Similarly in the other 2 places this section repeats of course.

This change puts the section at 8 measures which follows the structure of the rest of the song (2 phrases per section). This gives us:
02:07:618 - Measure 1 (4/4)
02:09:047 - Measure 2 (4/4)
02:10:475 - Measure 3 (6/8)
02:11:546 - Measure 4 (6/8)
02:12:618 - Measure 5 (6/8)
02:13:690 - Measure 6 (6/8)
02:14:761 - Measure 7 (4/4)
02:16:190 - Measure 8 (4/4)

Note that you can hear a slight accent on the vocals for every other beat. Even though the there are 2 groups of 3 by pitch.

02:14:761 (1,2,1) - This was causing me some initial confusion and then I turned off effects. Without the symbol hitsound it's much easier to not confuse it with a downbeat.

Edit: FIXED

P.S. I needed an excuse to listen to this song a bunch. :^)

P.S.S Useful information on how one goes about deciphering this correctly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_form


thanks for the concern, but quite frankly it's impractical to use 336 bpm when the song isn't 336 bpm at all. the timing at the points you mentioned actually have a 9/8 time signature, which is impossible to recreate using osu!'s timing system. the compromise that was made was two metronome resets at 00:59:047 - and 01:00:654 - (for the first buildup part, every other buildup part follows the same idea), with a time signature of 5/4 so the downbeats don't get repeated. regardless, each red timing point at the entire section that you pointed out is less than two bars long, and fits the requirements of resetting the metronome in order to sync the timing to the beat of the song.

tl;dr you might want to check the map again because the current timing setup isn't breaking the RC from what i can tell. it's done the way it is because of the 9/8 time signature that is impossible to replicate in osu! your suggestion completely de-synchronizes the beat since the song doesn't double in bpm or decrease in bpm.
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I may just be misunderstanding the words "fix it" as fix the time signature, not the downbeat and if so that is my mistake.

The numbers don't add up for it to be 9/8. As much as it sounds like it's 9/8 because of the pitches, it's most definitely 6/8 because this is the only way the total number of measures for the section even makes sense. Sections with 7 measures are rarely ever used in music.

The only time you end up with an odd number of measures is when the transition into the next section requires an extra measure (ie. 9th measure here 03:03:332 - ). This, however, would imply that the section as a whole has 6 measures. The first two measures very clearly represent their own phrase. This would leave 4 measures implying we have 2 phrases. If this were 9/8 the 2nd phrase would start here (01:02:261 - ). But this measure very clearly isn't 9/8. Even if it were two measures of 9/8 and one measure of 6/8, the change from 6/8 to 4/4 would occur mid phrase.

As I have outlined above, the structure here very clearly follows a 4 phrase section (4/4 phrase, 2 6/8 phrases, then another 4/4 phrase). This puts the time signature changes at the start of a new phrase which makes a lot more sense. 8 measures is also the most common number of measures to have in a section which further supports my point.

Lastly, bpm does not affect how you count a piece. In the case of 336 bpm 6/8 you would simply count it in 2 and mentally subdivide to get the 6 beats. Thus why 112bpm would be fitting but 336bpm would be most correct (because the 8 means that eighth notes "get the beat" and it's "beats per minute"). In fact, when the timing is given for these sorts of sections they usually don't give it in beats per minute. They'll give it in dotted quarter notes per minute which is 1/3 what the true bpm is.
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TL;DR: Your measure resets may sound right and you can wave your hands all you want that it's 9/8 because it sounds that way but the math doesn't support that. You may be right that this is still good enough for ranked though. *shrugs*
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I may just be misunderstanding the words "fix it" as fix the time signature, not the downbeat and if so that is my mistake.

The numbers don't add up for it to be 9/8. As much as it sounds like it's 9/8 because of the pitches, it's most definitely 6/8 because this is the only way the total number of measures for the section even makes sense. Sections with 7 measures are rarely ever used in music.

The only time you end up with an odd number of measures is when the transition into the next section requires an extra measure (ie. 9th measure here 03:03:332 - ). This, however, would imply that the section as a whole has 6 measures. The first two measures very clearly represent their own phrase. This would leave 4 measures implying we have 2 phrases. If this were 9/8 the 2nd phrase would start here (01:02:261 - ). But this measure very clearly isn't 9/8. Even if it were two measures of 9/8 and one measure of 6/8, the change from 6/8 to 4/4 would occur mid phrase.

As I have outlined above, the structure here very clearly follows a 4 phrase section (4/4 phrase, 2 6/8 phrases, then another 4/4 phrase). This puts the time signature changes at the start of a new phrase which makes a lot more sense. 8 measures is also the most common number of measures to have in a section which further supports my point.

Lastly, bpm does not affect how you count a piece. In the case of 336 bpm 6/8 you would simply count it in 2 and mentally subdivide to get the 6 beats. Thus why 112bpm would be fitting but 336bpm would be most correct (because the 8 means that eighth notes "get the beat" and it's "beats per minute"). In fact, when the timing is given for these sorts of sections they usually don't give it in beats per minute. They'll give it in dotted quarter notes per minute which is 1/3 what the true bpm is.
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TL;DR: Your measure resets may sound right and you can wave your hands all you want that it's 9/8 because it sounds that way but the math doesn't support that. You may be right that this is still good enough for ranked though. *shrugs*

to address the first bolded point, it can't be a 6/8 time signature because then the emphasis and stresses in the music don't line up with a 6/8 time signature. i'd argue that it's not dependent on whether or not the "math makes sense", but rather it's more dependent on how the song feels. since the emphasis and stresses are more in line with a 9/8 time signature for two measures, i opted to use what i currently employed instead.

to address the second point, it's more-so how the song doesn't change bpm in any form. bpm and time signature both critically affect the way you count a map. for example, let's take your example of 336 bpm:

  • at 336 bpm with a /4 time signature, the number of seconds-per-beat would be 0.1786
  • with a /8 time signature, the number of seconds-per-beat would be 0.0893
  • with a 6/8 time signature, every measure would clock in at about 0.5358 seconds per measure

with 168 bpm:
  • at 168 bpm with a /4 time signature, the number of seconds-per-beat would be 0.3571
  • with a /8 time signature, the number of seconds-per-beat would be 0.1786
  • with a 6/8 time signature, every measure would clock in at about 1.0716 seconds

you would need around two measures of 336 bpm with 6/8 time signature to accommodate for one measure at 168 bpm with 6/8 time signature. pretty obvious math here, but this fundamentally changes the feel of the map. why would a section be timed at double the bpm if you're just going to map every other beat? it might as well just stay at the original bpm. a bpm shift would imply that there is a change in how the number of beats are being counted. if the way the number of beats are counted remains the same, which in this case it does, then a bpm shift doesn't seem feasible.
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