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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Tuesday, 21 March 2017 at 1:09:41 AM

Artist: Yasunori Shiono
Title: Jimmy and Tommy
Source: エストポリス伝記II
Tags: Lufia 2 Rise Of The Sinistrals The Greatest Thieves In The World SNES video game super nintendo 16-bit estpolis Deif
BPM: 120.88
Filesize: 1278kb
Play Time: 00:36
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Download: Yasunori Shiono - Jimmy and Tommy
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First Lufia song for rank!

CTB Diffs by Deif
Mania Hitsounds by Ayyri

Metadata Confirmation
Unicode Title: 天下の大盗
Romanised Title: Jimmy and Tommy
Unicode Artist: 塩生康範
Romanised Artist: Yasunori Shiono
Source: エストポリス伝記II

References:
http://media.vgm.io/albums/58/385/385-1208092892.jpg
http://media.vgm.io/albums/58/385/385-1208092890.jpg
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/software/bsdj/
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Don't forget to add my names in tags and change the timing in your difficulties, like mentioned in Discord already:

Cup
Code:
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Title:The Greatest Thieves in the World
TitleUnicode:天下の大盗
Artist:Yasunori Shiono
ArtistUnicode:塩生 康範
Creator:Weber
Version:Deif's Cup
Source:エストポリス伝記II
Tags:Lufia 2 Rise Of The Sinistrals Jimmy And Tommy SNES video game super nintendo 16-bit
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Salad
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Title:The Greatest Thieves in the World
TitleUnicode:天下の大盗
Artist:Yasunori Shiono
ArtistUnicode:塩生 康範
Creator:Weber
Version:Deif's Salad
Source:エストポリス伝記II
Tags:Lufia 2 Rise Of The Sinistrals Jimmy And Tommy SNES video game super nintendo 16-bit
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Good evening there~

At first pls check what does AiMod says, and uncheck widescreen support bcs you don't need it.

There's almost nothing to do with the pattern since the song is so simple..

NM

00:03:411 - Add a note to col 1 for the drum

00:19:295 - Also here

00:22:273 - ^

00:26:244 - ^

For EZ...

00:25:996 (25996|0) - Move it to col 3 or col 4 bcs jack note is hard for beginners

You can also use some chords in EZ boldly, or the map will be too simple.

That's all, good luck with your map :D
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Hey there! Thought I'd like to recommend a couple of changes to the mania maps (quite a comic song, if I might add. ;) ). Please note I started writing this before dkingo's post, so some things may not be entirely up to date:

(4K: 1|2|3|4)

If you can, see if you can add an HD difficulty. That way you can use more of what you've put in NM there.

EZ
Just a couple of changes. Under normal circumstances, I would consider these as fine, but since this is a 1-star map, I feel these changes may be a good idea. The sole reason these changes here are the positioning of another note in the same column shortly after the previous note:
  • 00:20:784 | 1 - Notes in the next 4 beats may need to be changed as a result if you want to keep the symmetrical-looking pattern here.
  • 00:26:244 | 1 - LN needs to be moved into a different column (either 3 or 4)
  • 00:27:733 | 4 - Move to column 2 as a result of the previous change.


NM
One major problem. The one-handed streams are unreasonably difficult for maps of this difficulty. I'm fairly capable of getting and S+ near 3* maps, but these streams caused a lot of misses. The recommendation here would be to change these streams into stairs (going 1, 2, 3, 4 and 4, 3, 2, 1) or reverse stairs (going 1, 3, 2, 4 or 4, 2, 3, 1) to make these easier to play.

Other suggestions:


Good luck with this map. :)
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Hi... Modreq from my queue :D

NM
00:00:929 (929|0) - add note for balance
00:29:967 (29967|2) - make LN

just that :v


feel free to reject :D
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Asherz007 wrote:
Hey there! Thought I'd like to recommend a couple of changes to the mania maps (quite a comic song, if I might add. ;) ). Please note I started writing this before dkingo's post, so some things may not be entirely up to date:

(4K: 1|2|3|4)

If you can, see if you can add an HD difficulty. That way you can use more of what you've put in NM there.

EZ
Just a couple of changes. Under normal circumstances, I would consider these as fine, but since this is a 1-star map, I feel these changes may be a good idea. The sole reason these changes here are the positioning of another note in the same column shortly after the previous note:
  • 00:20:784 | 1 - Notes in the next 4 beats may need to be changed as a result if you want to keep the symmetrical-looking pattern here.
  • 00:26:244 | 1 - LN needs to be moved into a different column (either 3 or 4)
  • 00:27:733 | 4 - Move to column 2 as a result of the previous change.


NM
One major problem. The one-handed streams are unreasonably difficult for maps of this difficulty. I'm fairly capable of getting and S+ near 3* maps, but these streams caused a lot of misses. The recommendation here would be to change these streams into stairs (going 1, 2, 3, 4 and 4, 3, 2, 1) or reverse stairs (going 1, 3, 2, 4 or 4, 2, 3, 1) to make these easier to play.

Other suggestions:


Good luck with this map. :)

dkingo wrote:
Good evening there~

At first pls check what does AiMod says, and uncheck widescreen support bcs you don't need it.

There's almost nothing to do with the pattern since the song is so simple..

NM

00:03:411 - Add a note to col 1 for the drum

00:19:295 - Also here

00:22:273 - ^

00:26:244 - ^

For EZ...

00:25:996 (25996|0) - Move it to col 3 or col 4 bcs jack note is hard for beginners

You can also use some chords in EZ boldly, or the map will be too simple.

That's all, good luck with your map :D

Pretty much all suggestions accepted, thank you for the mods!
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Hi... Modreq from my queue :D

NM
00:00:929 (929|0) - add note for balance done
00:29:967 (29967|2) - make LN personally I think it works better as a normal note

just that :v


feel free to reject :D

Thanks for the smol mod, I appreciate it! Updated.
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Salad
  • 00:00:433 (1) - I don't like the sound of this as a 1/1 slider. I personally think that a 1/2 slider with a circle sounds much better. Ending on 00:00:681 - sounds nice, as I personally think the sound of the slider is not very appealing here. The change fits with the upcomming section where your large slider at 00:02:418 (1) - focuses on what would be a streamy part rather than covering multiple sounds.
  • 00:03:411 (2,3) - This is a pretty hard walk here, especially considering that you have a strong dash going into 00:04:404 (1) - right after. Reduce the distance here a bit maybe? I feel like 00:03:907 (3) - being less horizontal would be a good idea, I would apply it to 00:03:411 (2) - for consistency too if you were to do that.
  • 00:16:317 (1) - I would suggest the same here, I think a 1/1 fits better at points such as 00:18:302 (1) - where the sliderend is not as prominent as the head.
  • 00:32:201 (1) - Same again here, 00:34:186 (1) - is what I would consider to be the best way to use 1/1 sliders.



Cup
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Simple song, but the Cup feels pretty comfy.

Gl with set Deif, I hope you make your own set and Weber sends his to the shadow realm.
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Salad
  • 00:00:433 (1) - I don't like the sound of this as a 1/1 slider. I personally think that a 1/2 slider with a circle sounds much better. Ending on 00:00:681 - sounds nice, as I personally think the sound of the slider is not very appealing here. The change fits with the upcomming section where your large slider at 00:02:418 (1) - focuses on what would be a streamy part rather than covering multiple sounds. (Changed it to 2 notes instead)
  • 00:03:411 (2,3) - This is a pretty hard walk here, especially considering that you have a strong dash going into 00:04:404 (1) - right after. Reduce the distance here a bit maybe? I feel like 00:03:907 (3) - being less horizontal would be a good idea, I would apply it to 00:03:411 (2) - for consistency too if you were to do that. (Done)
  • 00:16:317 (1) - I would suggest the same here, I think a 1/1 fits better at points such as 00:18:302 (1) - where the sliderend is not as prominent as the head. (Done)
  • 00:32:201 (1) - Same again here, 00:34:186 (1) - is what I would consider to be the best way to use 1/1 sliders. (Done)



Cup
  • Remap so I can post points.

Simple song, but the Cup feels pretty comfy.

Gl with set Deif, I hope you make your own set and Weber sends his to the shadow realm. (I'm a lazy brat who lets his maps get graveyarded so... *shrugs*)


Thanks for the mod... and stop changing the mp3 Weber ): New offset is 484:

Cup
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Title:The Greatest Thieves in the World
TitleUnicode:天下の大盗
Artist:Yasunori Shiono
ArtistUnicode:塩生 康範
Creator:Weber
Version:Deif's Cup
Source:エストポリス伝記II
Tags:Lufia 2 Rise Of The Sinistrals Jimmy And Tommy SNES video game super nintendo 16-bit Deif
BeatmapID:1188000
BeatmapSetID:561762

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my b ;w;

Updated.
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Rhythm Incarnate
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Earned 1 kudosu.
m4m desu?

General :
- 00:04:951 - 00:05:944 - personally sound like those (it means from begining until end) fit better with soft whistle rather than drum whistle (for ctb)
- there is no space for the artist, it should be "塩生康範" http://ameblo.jp/yasunori-shiono/

Cup :
- sir pls stop with ur copy pastaa
- 00:08:426 (1) - reduce a bit i guess? i feel its too far for newbie (i caught in edge with pretending myself as newbie when testplay)
- 00:10:411 (1) - i think you can increase the spacing like x:128 to emphasis the downbeat music
- 00:13:389 (3,4) - just curious why (4) has less spacing here when the music is louder than (3)
- 00:15:374 (3,4) - ^
- 00:18:850 (2) - 00:34:734 (2) - keep use ur normal spacing? this spacing looks kinda weird because the difference with ur normal spacing is too big
- 00:26:295 (1) - same as prev
- 00:29:273 (3,4,3,4) - same as prev

Salad :
- sir pls stop with ur copy pastaa (2)
- 00:02:469 (1) - ayy the jump, i mean its too far for a begining part how about reduce the jumping distance like x:120?
- 00:04:951 (2) - personally im thinking why jump here when 00:06:936 (2) - same sound like this doesnt have jump (also i still can catch that 4 sec of (2) in edge). same for 00:20:835 (2) -
- 00:18:353 (1) - at least reduce the spacing a bit pls like x:424 if u want to make newbies happy
- 00:12:397 (1) - maybe drag it to right a bit since i still can catch w/o dash and for consistency 00:28:281 (1) -
- 00:28:281 (1) - 00:34:237 (1) - and here pls nerf a bit u want to kill newbies :C
- 00:32:252 (1) - make it as a jump too for consistency with 00:24:310 (1) -

good luck ~
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Elite Mapper
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m4m desu?

General :
- 00:04:951 - 00:05:944 - personally sound like those (it means from begining until end) fit better with soft whistle rather than drum whistle (for ctb) (Done)
- there is no space for the artist, it should be "塩生康範" http://ameblo.jp/yasunori-shiono/ (Got it replaced on my difficulties)

Cup :
- sir pls stop with ur copy pastaa ):
- 00:08:426 (1) - reduce a bit i guess? i feel its too far for newbie (i caught in edge with pretending myself as newbie when testplay) (Done)
- 00:10:411 (1) - i think you can increase the spacing like x:128 to emphasis the downbeat music (Moved the previous slider instead)
- 00:13:389 (3,4) - just curious why (4) has less spacing here when the music is louder than (3) (Had to remap that section to fix that distance :v)
- 00:15:374 (3,4) - ^ (pastaaaaa)
- 00:18:850 (2) - 00:34:734 (2) - keep use ur normal spacing? this spacing looks kinda weird because the difference with ur normal spacing is too big (Done)
- 00:26:295 (1) - same as prev (pastaaaaa)
- 00:29:273 (3,4,3,4) - same as prev (pastaaaaa)

Salad :
- sir pls stop with ur copy pastaa (2)
- 00:02:469 (1) - ayy the jump, i mean its too far for a begining part how about reduce the jumping distance like x:120? (Moved the tail of the previous slider)
- 00:04:951 (2) - personally im thinking why jump here when 00:06:936 (2) - same sound like this doesnt have jump (also i still can catch that 4 sec of (2) in edge). same for 00:20:835 (2) - (Increased the distances a bit)
- 00:18:353 (1) - at least reduce the spacing a bit pls like x:424 if u want to make newbies happy (Alright)
- 00:12:397 (1) - maybe drag it to right a bit since i still can catch w/o dash and for consistency 00:28:281 (1) - (Yap)
- 00:28:281 (1) - 00:34:237 (1) - and here pls nerf a bit u want to kill newbies :C (hurrr)
- 00:32:252 (1) - make it as a jump too for consistency with 00:24:310 (1) - (I hope it's jumpy enough)

good luck ~


I wasn't happy with the 1st half of the Salad so I changed some extra patterns to make it more interesting. Thanks for your help!

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Salad
Code:
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AudioLeadIn: 0
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Countdown: 0
SampleSet: None
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 2
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 2
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 16
TimelineZoom: 1

[Metadata]
Title:The Greatest Thieves in the World
TitleUnicode:天下の大盗
Artist:Yasunori Shiono
ArtistUnicode:塩生康範
Creator:Weber
Version:Deif's Salad
Source:エストポリス伝記II
Tags:Lufia 2 Rise Of The Sinistrals Jimmy And Tommy SNES video game super nintendo 16-bit Deif
BeatmapID:1188001
BeatmapSetID:561762

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CircleSize:3.5
OverallDifficulty:6.6
ApproachRate:6.6
SliderMultiplier:1.6
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Image Deif's Rain
  • 00:07:433 (3,4,1,2) - Quite a few "large" spacings back to back here, so it's not so daunting for new players I'd reduce 00:07:433 (3,4) - since your patterning focuses more on emphasisng the drums than the synth at this point
  • 00:08:922 (2) - Maybe put this on the right? Would break up the monotony of left/right for a considerable period of time
  • 00:23:813 (4) - ^ Same but to the left instead
Nothing much to say, I guess you could consider Tick Rate 1 to offset the somewhat high degree of movement on 00:10:411 (1) - 00:26:295 (1) - or maybe curve them slightly less instead. Yeah I'm nitpicking :/


Image Deif's Overdose
  • 00:02:469 (1,2,3) - Tempting to walk these, but newer players will struggle, I'd move (2) to the left slightly to make this more leneint, especially since it's the start of the map
  • 00:04:455 (1,2) - I find this dash really awkward and out of place considering you have the same sound as a walkable spacing at 00:06:936 (2) - 00:08:922 (2) - etc. Considering this is right after a dash already, I'd stick to a walk for consistency and fairness on the player
  • 00:11:900 (4,1) - Dash after an antiflow movement is quite unexpected here, You should really drop the spacing on this, make (4) more vertical or something similar to weaken the wiggle movement
  • 00:16:368 (1,2) - Feels a little uncomfortable for a walk after the previous dash. Consider reducing slightly, especially considering the pitch reduction here
  • 00:18:353 (1) - Snare is quite noticeable on the tail here, consider separating into 1/2 slider and circle. Could do the same at 00:34:237 (1) - though the fadeout makes it less noticeable... Your call
  • 00:18:353 (1,2) - Might be reworked anyway with the above, but in case you keep this as-is, it's quite a large walk after a standstill slider. Perhaps make (1) curve to the left a bit more and/or move (2) to the right so the flow is a little smoother
  • 00:20:339 (1,2) - Same as 00:04:455 (1,2) -
  • 00:27:784 (4,1) - You know it my man
  • 00:32:252 (1,2) - Copypasta master, etcetera, etcetera.
  • 00:34:237 (1,2) - How do you sleep at night

Good luck! (:
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