22:25 *Naitoshi is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/136400 DJ Genericname - Dear You [Dear Rue]]
22:26 Kibbleru: that map so old
22:26 Naitoshi: Yeah
22:26 Naitoshi: and it still has better hitsounds than like 90% of maps
22:27 Naitoshi: current maps
22:27 Naitoshi: with base sounds alone
22:29 Kibbleru: is the tip just to be super additive?
22:29 Kibbleru: the trick*
22:30 Kibbleru: i tend to just follow the music
22:30 Kibbleru: is that my problem?
22:31 Kibbleru: answer mee
22:31 Naitoshi: Additive? You mean blending sounds?
22:31 Kibbleru: i mean like
22:31 Kibbleru: i just completely follow the music
22:31 Kibbleru: snare when tehres a snare
22:31 Kibbleru: kick when theres a kick
22:32 Kibbleru: this map kinda uses the normal hit normal sorta additively
22:32 Kibbleru: kinda extra from the music
22:32 Naitoshi: Yes
22:32 Naitoshi: the normal in that case
22:32 Naitoshi: can be used as a clap
22:32 Naitoshi: or just extra emphasis to melodic structures
22:32 Naitoshi: For me it's like
22:33 Kibbleru: it sounds like he does both kicks and snares with the hitnormal
22:34 Naitoshi: Yeah he does that
22:34 Naitoshi: it's more the style behind how he does things though
22:34 Naitoshi: like he'll emphasize the basic melodic structures with whistles
22:34 Naitoshi: but he won't whistle everything
22:35 Naitoshi: cause that's fucking uncool
22:35 Naitoshi: He'll have like max two whistles in a row (1/2 gap)
22:35 Naitoshi: and then ghost whistle for the other sound
22:35 Naitoshi: using a different sound
22:35 Naitoshi: like a normal
22:36 Naitoshi: You can follow the song at first
22:36 Naitoshi: get a good skeleton
22:36 Naitoshi: then like
22:37 Kibbleru: yeah i know that
22:37 Naitoshi: Look in the music for the most minor melodic structures
22:37 Kibbleru: i usually just exactly copy the percussions in the music
22:37 Naitoshi: and put different sounds around them emphasizing those
22:38 Naitoshi: I guess that's why this map is so impressive though. It's dnb, there's only one clap and everything else is 1/4
22:38 Naitoshi: and all the same sound
22:38 Naitoshi: Hitsounds fucking made this map
22:39 Kibbleru: yeah
22:39 Kibbleru: i know
22:39 Kibbleru: like i can follow the music pretty well
22:39 Kibbleru: but when it comes to some more additive stuff
22:39 Kibbleru: all i can ever do are whistles lol
22:40 Kibbleru: like
22:40 *Kibbleru is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/969314 graves & MYRNE - Tiger Blood [vintyui]]
22:40 Kibbleru: i would never think of doing this lo 01:46:735 (2,3,4) -
22:40 Kibbleru: if it were me it'd all be whistles
22:40 Naitoshi: Damn
22:41 Naitoshi: If you're gonna go for whistles, it'd be cool to just ghost the whistles at the ends of sliders
22:41 Naitoshi: well
22:41 Kibbleru: i cant be that creative
22:42 Kibbleru: all i'd do is use them to emphasize vocals or melody
22:42 Naitoshi: It's cool to emphasize
22:42 Naitoshi: powerful things
22:42 Naitoshi: by combining sounds
22:43 Naitoshi: like my whole thing is using the soft finish as a normal whistle
22:43 Naitoshi: and combining normal whistle and normal finish
22:43 Naitoshi: for the super extra finish
22:45 Kibbleru: btw do u have any suitable hitsound for a snare here
22:45 *Kibbleru is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1187506 YUC'e - Cinderella Syndrome [Affection]]
22:46 Naitoshi: Is it the god damn server? 
22:46 Naitoshi: what is this dl?
22:46 Kibbleru: i have no clu
22:46 Naitoshi: 5 seconds baybeeee
22:48 Naitoshi: the clap
22:48 Naitoshi: in this song
22:48 Naitoshi: is like
22:48 Naitoshi: damn it's not impactful
22:49 Naitoshi: I mean the song itself
22:49 Naitoshi: its clap
22:49 Kibbleru: yeah i know
22:49 Naitoshi: So you want like a better one? Do you want more emphasize for the clap or something?
22:50 Kibbleru: actually i found something suitable from the tiger blood map lol
22:50 Naitoshi: lul
22:50 Naitoshi: 01:38:978 - and god damn man
22:50 Kibbleru: hm
22:50 Naitoshi: this is too special for a normal ass whistle
22:50 Naitoshi: tsktsk
22:50 Kibbleru: i agree
22:51 Kibbleru: help me make this hs shit better lo
22:51 Kibbleru: i wana do some cool additive stuff on the kiai as well :S
22:51 Kibbleru: the kiai is honestly so bland
22:51 Naitoshi: you need a whistle bomb for that shit hell yeah
22:51 Naitoshi: hold up
22:51 Naitoshi: it may be in tiger blood too
22:52 Kibbleru: wana help me spice up the kiai a little
22:52 *Naitoshi is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/969314 graves & MYRNE - Tiger Blood [vintyui]]
22:52 Naitoshi: grab drum clap 2 for whistle bomb
22:53 Naitoshi: lol kiai is whistle spamming
22:55 Naitoshi: Honestly you could even just add a few normal samplesets in places and it would sound like it has a lot more variation
22:55 Kibbleru: yeah
22:55 Kibbleru: but
22:55 Kibbleru: idk where and how to add them
22:56 Naitoshi: ooo ooo and some sik russian soft finishes
22:56 Naitoshi: hold up
22:57 Naitoshi: like
22:57 Naitoshi: idea
22:57 Naitoshi: 01:08:828 (2) - normal sampleset here 01:08:828 (2) -  and here
22:57 Naitoshi: 01:08:828 (2) - add finish here
22:57 Naitoshi: 01:11:228 (2) - normal here
22:58 Naitoshi: 01:12:128 - ^
22:58 Naitoshi: 01:12:578 - finish
22:58 Naitoshi: That adds some sik russian soft finishes
22:59 Kibbleru: but that part has the kick already? owo
22:59 Naitoshi: I'm aware
22:59 Naitoshi: but kicks aren't enough
22:59 Naitoshi: and it's something with variation
23:00 Naitoshi: some having normal sample sets with kicks
23:00 Naitoshi: and some having kicks only
23:01 Naitoshi: 01:12:578 (3) - and the big white ticks would be cool with normal + kicks
23:01 Kibbleru: i see
23:02 Kibbleru: anything to do about all these notes feeling really empty? 01:12:578 (3) -
23:03 Naitoshi: add normal to 01:12:878 (7) -  the circle ends of the stream
23:04 Naitoshi: remove
23:04 Naitoshi: the whistles from the whole stream
23:04 Naitoshi: 01:13:028 (8) - add whistle back to here
23:04 Naitoshi: 01:13:028 (8) - then add whistle here
23:04 Naitoshi: 01:12:728 (5) - 
23:04 Naitoshi: both of those places 
23:04 Kibbleru: u keep
23:04 Kibbleru: inking the same thing twice lol
23:04 Naitoshi: Would make it sound pretty cool
23:05 Naitoshi: 01:13:178 (1) - remove whistle from big white tick :( that's so uncool
23:05 Naitoshi: better with normal
23:06 Naitoshi: Did you get what I said though?
23:06 Naitoshi: 01:12:728 (5) - middle one sounds awesome with a whistle
23:06 Kibbleru: would hitnormals be cool here? 01:17:378 (1,2,1,2) -
23:06 Naitoshi: if the end is a normal sampleset
23:07 Naitoshi: For this uh
23:07 Kibbleru: so far i put hitnormal on every big white tick
23:08 Naitoshi: 01:17:978 (1) - if you ever used the default normal finish I'd say had soft finishes to 01:17:828 - and 01:17:528 - , buuuut that wouldn't sound cool with the big tick being a soft finish
23:08 Naitoshi: so I think hitnormals would sound cool on those
23:09 Naitoshi: but if there are whistles you should remove them from the first one and the third one
23:09 Naitoshi: 01:17:678 (1) -  and 01:17:378 (1) - 
23:09 Naitoshi: That would make it sound :superokhand:
23:10 Naitoshi: 01:17:528 - 01:17:828 - if tldr or I didn't make sense @-@ hitnormals on these, the other two shouldn't have them
23:12 Kibbleru: ok
23:12 Kibbleru: can i export what i have so far and send to u
23:12 Naitoshi: okie
23:13 Kibbleru: k uploading
23:13 Kibbleru: https://kibbleru.s-ul.eu/ew5eMBRk
23:14 Naitoshi: this dl....
23:14 Kibbleru: LO
23:14 Kibbleru: it cud be cuz mp3 is 320 kbps tbh
23:14 Naitoshi: IT'S ALMOST THERE
23:15 Naitoshi: Did I link the wrong shit for finishing? xd
23:16 Naitoshi: There's some inconsistencies now
23:16 Naitoshi: 01:08:828 - 
23:16 Naitoshi: just meant normal sampleset
23:16 Naitoshi: 01:10:178 - and then this would be a finish
23:16 Kibbleru: lmao yea u told me to finish there
23:17 Naitoshi: 01:11:228 - yeah, just normal sampleset mb
23:17 Naitoshi: 01:12:128 - juuuust normal
23:17 Kibbleru: that sounds much better lo
23:17 Naitoshi: 01:10:178 - this should be the finish
23:17 Naitoshi: 01:12:578 - and this
23:18 Naitoshi: 01:17:678 (1) - ooo ooo
23:18 Naitoshi: ghost this
23:18 Kibbleru: yeah
23:18 Naitoshi: remove clap
23:18 Kibbleru: what is ghost this
23:18 Kibbleru: like no hitsound?
23:18 Naitoshi: yeah
23:19 Kibbleru: would hitnormals work on these 01:14:228 (4,3) -
23:19 Kibbleru: sorry i meant
23:19 Kibbleru: 01:14:228 (4,4) -
23:20 Naitoshi: you would just follow the same pattern
23:20 Naitoshi: 01:13:628 - 
23:20 Naitoshi: 01:14:528 - 
23:20 Naitoshi: 01:14:978 - but don't finish the claps here in this second section
23:21 Kibbleru: what do u mean
23:21 Kibbleru: follow the same pattern?
23:22 Naitoshi: 01:11:228 - this normal and 01:12:128 - this normal applies to 01:13:628 -  and 01:14:528 (1) - 
23:23 Naitoshi: 01:16:028 (3) - and then normal here and 01:16:028 (3) - here
23:23 Naitoshi: which some are already there
23:23 Kibbleru: so i need to add 01:13:628 (3) - hitnormal here?
23:23 Naitoshi: yeah
23:24 Naitoshi: 01:14:228 (4) - your normal will go ono the big white tick too
23:25 Naitoshi: 01:14:378 - *
23:25 Naitoshi: fucking objects
23:25 Naitoshi: You will have a sick double normal pattern going
23:25 Naitoshi: 01:16:778 (5) - so this would be normal too
23:26 Kibbleru: so 01:11:978 (6) - 01:14:378 (6) -
23:27 Kibbleru: 01:16:778 (5) -
23:27 Kibbleru: etc
23:27 Naitoshi: yeah
23:28 Kibbleru: and then i love it how the htisounds completely get drowned out when i turn the vol to 100% :D:D:D:D:
23:29 Naitoshi: i play with 50% music
23:32 Naitoshi: so
23:32 Naitoshi: There's a type a foreshadow thing you can do too 
23:32 Naitoshi: if you want
23:32 Naitoshi: since, this is the part where there's not a finish on the clap
23:33 Kibbleru: what do u mean by foreshadow
23:33 Naitoshi: you could foreshadow the normal offbeat later by adding one here 01:15:128 -  and 01:15:428 - here and (maayyybe) removing the clap on 01:15:278 - 
23:33 Naitoshi: 01:17:378 - foreshadow-sounding this here
23:34 Naitoshi: jk don't remove clap
23:35 Naitoshi: actually yeah, you might want to 
23:35 Naitoshi: it's kind of a ghostin
23:35 Naitoshi: g
23:35 Naitoshi: effect
23:35 Naitoshi: up to you
23:35 Naitoshi: It's a special transition part
23:36 Kibbleru: ic
23:36 Naitoshi: 01:15:278 (5) - hell it could even just be a kick
23:36 Naitoshi: kick is ghosting enough and fitting there
23:37 Naitoshi: OHHH th
23:37 Naitoshi: that is a kick
23:37 Naitoshi: don't remove clap
23:37 Kibbleru: lol
23:37 Naitoshi: but you may want to remove whistle if you want to ghost it xd
23:38 Kibbleru: can i just put hitnormals on all these 03:17:978 (1,1,1,1) -
23:38 Kibbleru: and ghost which one
23:38 Kibbleru: o-o
23:38 Naitoshi: man.... normal default finish would be sooo cool here
23:38 Naitoshi: the last two sliders of the three
23:38 Naitoshi: should be normal sampleset
23:39 Kibbleru: the last of which three o-o?
23:39 Naitoshi: 03:18:428 (1) - normal on head
23:39 Naitoshi: 03:18:878 (1) - normal on head
23:39 Naitoshi: 03:18:278 (3) - normal here
23:40 Naitoshi: 03:18:728 (3) - and here
23:41 Naitoshi: 03:19:178 (3) - whistle here
23:41 Kibbleru: i guess i shud remove the clap here then 03:20:978 -
23:42 Naitoshi: nah
23:42 Naitoshi: keep it
23:42 Naitoshi: where's the missing clap?
23:42 Naitoshi: oh there's not one
23:42 Naitoshi: why remove it?
23:43 Kibbleru: it sounds kinda weird with the hitnormals no?
23:44 Naitoshi: That's true. There is a clap there, and not in the other part
23:44 Kibbleru: yeah
23:44 Naitoshi: clap should have prescedence though
23:44 Kibbleru: k
23:44 Naitoshi: precedence, and soooo... lets see
23:45 Kibbleru: i mean we ghosted a clap before lo
23:46 Naitoshi: pssshhhhh transition claps don't matter
23:46 Naitoshi: the pattern can just change
23:46 Naitoshi: so
23:47 Naitoshi: 03:18:278 (3) - normal here
23:47 Naitoshi: 03:18:728 (3) - whistle here remove normal
23:47 Naitoshi: 03:19:178 (3) - normal here
23:47 Naitoshi: 03:21:728 (1) - normal on head
23:48 Kibbleru: yeah that sonds better
23:48 Naitoshi: 03:22:178 - and ofc this just acts like 01:17:378 - 
23:49 Kibbleru: yeah
23:52 Naitoshi: you know what would be cool
23:52 Naitoshi: that nobody would care about? :D
23:53 Naitoshi: 01:26:978 - 
23:53 Naitoshi: https://puu.sh/u6Qt8/787696b0a1.png
23:53 Kibbleru: mhm?
23:54 Kibbleru: ur right nobody would care about it LOL
23:54 Naitoshi: hell yeah
23:55 Naitoshi: 01:38:978 - btw fucking beautiful
23:56 Kibbleru: idk
23:56 Kibbleru: i kinda wana use that thing other places too
23:56 Naitoshi: Go ahead
23:59 Kibbleru: iunno where tho LO
23:59 Naitoshi: oh
23:59 Naitoshi: You were dropping hints
23:59 Naitoshi: ok
00:00 Kibbleru: thinking at the beginning?
00:00 Kibbleru: 00:01:178 -
00:00 Naitoshi: no
00:01 Naitoshi: after transitions or at transitions
00:01 Naitoshi: 00:10:778 - 
00:01 Naitoshi: like here would work
00:01 Naitoshi: or special things 00:12:578 - 
00:01 Naitoshi: 00:14:978 - but it may happen too often 
00:01 Naitoshi: so maybe not that
00:02 Naitoshi: 00:17:378 - unless you skip the last one and put one here
00:02 Kibbleru: i put it here 00:31:778 (1) -
00:02 Naitoshi: 00:19:178 - this is super special and it could go there
00:02 Naitoshi: 00:31:778 - yeah this is cool
00:04 Naitoshi: 01:07:178 - 
00:04 Naitoshi: can go here too
00:06 Naitoshi: 01:56:378 - 
00:06 Naitoshi: here
00:06 Naitoshi: in fact that part is begging for it
00:06 Naitoshi: 02:14:378 - this is just a copy if you did it before
00:07 Kibbleru: yea
00:08 Kibbleru: do i put them here too tho 01:58:778 - 02:01:178 - etc
00:08 Naitoshi: not special enough
00:09 Naitoshi: That's really up to you though
00:09 Kibbleru: 02:39:578 (1) - these i guess
00:09 Naitoshi: super subjective on your end
00:10 Kibbleru: ok
00:10 Kibbleru: i guess thats all
00:10 Kibbleru: thx for help :O
00:10 Naitoshi: ok kd pls

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1. I was going to write a concern about 01:24:631 (3) - regarding 4:3 players, but I already tested out this slider in that aspect ratio and still found it readable, so you don't need to worry about this.
2. 02:15:031 - Optional, in order to make it somewhat easier for Flashlight players: add another hitcircle before the new combo.
   
   (yes, this is my skin, but it's a prototype. I still need to work on its readability for harder difficulties, a "Restart" button in the pause menu, etc.)
3. 03:03:631 - Was it your intention to switch up the hit-object rhythm that's present from 02:54:031 - to 02:58:831 - and once more from 02:58:831 - to 03:03:631 - in the 03:03:631 - to 03:10:831 - section? I'm sure you know what I mean, since you're a beatmap nominator now, but it's a little 50/50 for me here, because even though this difficulty is systematically Normal, you wanted to label it as "Easy," and I feel as though switching it up in this particular difficulty would kind of be a little unfair for some people who play Easy maps and would expect consistent, same-gameplay-per-measure-in-one-chord hit objects.

1. 00:10:831 (1) - This is just one example out of many, but I thought extended sliders - you know, sliders extended to blue ticks - weren't supposed to exist in Normal. Even though I see your concern for next-hitobject proximity, the rhythm seems to be just fine with at least this slider retracted to its previous red tick, or extended to its respective white tick. The latter should be preferred if you want to bring the difficulty down to be systematically Normal, so the label would actually tell truth to the difficulty.
2. 00:12:931 (5) - Okay, this is a bit more of an excusable slider, but I see this as another factor of systematically influencing the difficulty to be Hard, even though you labelled it as "Normal." Maybe replace this and some others like it with a few hit circles? idk.
3. 00:38:131 (3) - Yeah, this is kind of what I mean about my first point. I was trying to believe that you wanted to make this difficulty play like a Normal, as you labelled it, but this object kind of affirmed me that this difficulty has been playing more like a Hard, coupled with the fact that its shape and angle is similar to that of 00:27:181 (3) -'s, with regards to that same object sitting on blue ticks that starts after a hit-circle that goes on a white tick (excuse me for the run-on sentence). Regular/incoming "Normal" players would hit this slider with the mentality that they'd only have to hold onto it until the next blue tick. The last two sliders before it at 00:37:231 (1,2) - definitely also play a factor in this, so consider fixing those, too.
4. 00:47:731 (3,4) - Wanted to point out this slider pair because it seems more excusable than a majority of sliders up to that point, since it definitely shows an intention of calmly following the vocal line, whereas I feel as though the hitobject rhythm before it is a little too aggressive for Normal. I'd still exercise caution when fixing everything before it, though. If you keep this slider pair after that, it could throw off some people, but it'd be a somewhat safe choice implementation after that.
5. 00:58:231 (5,6) - Definitely an easier slider pair for a Normal player to follow than 00:37:231 (1,2) -, but it's meant to be played at a faster rate, so it's also a bit questionable..

1. AiMod mentions a lotta jumps here, even though they're small and could be tolerated by a Hard player. Even goes close to being a Light Insane in some cases. Of course, I don't mind, but it's a little quick saying.
2. 00:13:231 (1,2) - Since this difficulty does seem like a challenging Hard map, maybe realign these two so the angle of them doesn't get confused with the similarly angled-if-aligned-more-vertically-like-the-highlighted-combo combo pair at 00:15:631 (1,2) -, especially since they're the same color. Maybe do something like this. Of course, the flow shape change may confuse others who have test-played your map, but it'd still be very playable.
3. 01:36:931 (2,3) - You did introduce transitioning 2-circle stacks that go into sliders before this point, but the majority of them also eventually have slider start circles that appear at the same point by the next measure (big white tick, if you forgot). I do acknowledge that you at least use them again at the buildup starting at 02:06:031 -, but it's more frequent at that point than what I highlighted, plus 30 seconds is a little bit of a stretch for some people's subconscious osu! memory. It's just a small concern, since 30 seconds isn't that long, but if need fix be, you may want to try placing circle 3 on top of the start of the next slider.
4. 01:39:331 (2) - I'd be careful when keeping this placed there. Obviously very gimmicky, since a slider that follows the rhythm of drums that play right after a piano play like that only appears once, but I do see that you just want to add flair to this particular part. Your choice, really. You're the nominator, but I'd just still be careful.