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illion - AIWAGUMA [Osu|OsuMania|Taiko|CatchTheBeat]

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Ellyu
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Ellyu
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017年10月28日 at 23:57:32

Artist: illion
Title: AIWAGUMA
Tags: UBU Yojiro Noda 野田洋次郎 Folk Rock _Yiiiii Pata-Mon Tenshichan Superstar Tofu1222 Antalf handsome muscle
BPM: 176
Filesize: 14580kb
Play Time: 03:42
Difficulties Available:
  1. Another (5.03 stars, 926 notes)
  2. Antalf's HD - 4Key (2.99 stars, 1889 notes)
  3. E=mc^2 (5.32 stars, 981 notes)
  4. Easy (1.67 stars, 289 notes)
  5. Futsuu (2.22 stars, 542 notes)
  6. Hard (3.13 stars, 598 notes)
  7. Hyper (3.67 stars, 665 notes)
  8. iiiii's Insane (4.36 stars, 839 notes)
  9. Inner Oni (4.76 stars, 1392 notes)
  10. Kantan (1.45 stars, 282 notes)
  11. Muzukashii (2.97 stars, 815 notes)
  12. Oni (3.93 stars, 1129 notes)
  13. Pata-Mon's Normal (2.09 stars, 403 notes)
  14. Tenshichan's Rain (4.15 stars, 753 notes)
  15. Tofu's MX - 4Key (3.6 stars, 2034 notes)
Download: illion - AIWAGUMA
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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歩んできたこの道は

どんな形してるんだ

僕の今 君の今

どこで まぐわるんだ

SPOILER
std:normal by Pata-Mon
insane by _Y一堆i
taiko:by handsome muscle
ctb:by Tenshichan
mania:HD by Antalf
MX by tofu
mania hitsound by 1164530434
RIP HXJ and his NM:https://puu.sh/xI8Zq/65d3288b72.osu
300 fav 2017/12/14 \:D/
Last edited by Ellyu , edited 195 times in total.
Nyan
1,455 posts
Joined September 2008
Nyan
[Kantan]

HP 4 -> 7 because it has few notes

Decrease star rating

00:32:600 (2) - delete
01:08:054 (68) - delete
01:09:418 (71) - delete
01:29:872 (5) - delete
01:35:327 (17) - delete
01:40:782 (27) - delete

02:38:736 (6) - delete
02:42:486 (14,15,16,17,18) - d k d k k
03:18:622 (4,5,6,1) - d _ k _ d
03:23:736 (9) - delete
03:30:554 (26) - delete

[Futsuu]

HP 4 -> 6

02:39:077 (11) - remove Finish
02:44:532 (28) - remove Finish
03:30:554 (26) - remove Finish or add Finish at 03:30:213 (25)

[Oni]

00:44:532 (57) - add Finish
01:17:259 (9) - add Finish

[Inner Oni]

01:17:259 (9) - add Finish
02:24:588 (2,3) - dd
Ellyu
429 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Ellyu

Nyan wrote:

[Kantan]

HP 4 -> 7 because it has few notes

Decrease star rating

00:32:600 (2) - delete
01:08:054 (68) - delete
01:09:418 (71) - delete
01:29:872 (5) - delete
01:35:327 (17) - delete
01:40:782 (27) - delete

02:38:736 (6) - delete
02:42:486 (14,15,16,17,18) - d k d k k
03:18:622 (4,5,6,1) - d _ k _ dfixed but a little different
03:23:736 (9) - delete
03:30:554 (26) - delete

[Futsuu]

HP 4 -> 6

02:39:077 (11) - remove Finish
02:44:532 (28) - remove Finish
03:30:554 (26) - remove Finish or add Finish at 03:30:213 (25)

[Oni]

00:44:532 (57) - add Finish
01:17:259 (9) - add Finish

[Inner Oni]

01:17:259 (9) - add Finish
02:24:588 (2,3) - ddit‘s fine
The rest are all fixed

Thanks XD .updated now
gaston_2199
1,140 posts
Joined February 2015
gaston_2199
Hi!
M4M
Sorry for so late response :(

[Kantan]
Consider deleting multiple notes to make it much more accessible to Kantan players (this is a 'normal')
  1. 00:01:577 (2,4,6) - Remove for emphatize the vocal here 00:00:895 (1,3,5) -
  2. How about move 00:05:327 (8) - to 00:06:009 - ? Remove this 00:04:986 (7) - if you accept
  3. 00:07:032 (11,13) - Remove.The same 00:01:577 (2,4,6) -
  4. 00:16:236 (5,6) - Remove for follow this pattern 00:11:804 (19,20,1) -
  5. 00:21:691 (6) - Remove
  6. 00:22:372 (8) - kat? Would look great with the instrumental in the background. In addition to giving more emphasis to 00:22:713 (9) -
    00:23:395 (10,12) - Ctrl + G
  7. 00:23:736 (11) - Remove, no destacable sound
  8. 00:28:168 (19) - kat
  9. 00:38:395 (12) - Remove finisher, this is similar to 00:35:668 (7) -
  10. 00:46:236 (26) - Remove
  11. 00:46:577 (27) - kat
  12. 00:49:304 (32) - Same that 00:38:395 (12) -
  13. 01:29:191 (3) - Remove
  14. 01:34:645 (14) - ^
  15. 01:41:122 (25) - kat for adapt the vocal
  16. 01:55:782 (6) - Remove
  17. 01:58:168 (10) - don (drum pitch)
  18. 02:18:622 (5) - Remove
  19. 02:27:827 (7) - ^
    And the rest, remove notes. Try lowering it to less than 1.5 *
[Futsuu]
Same case, remove notes. This is "Hard", Try lowering it to less than 2.2*
  1. 00:09:759 (22) - kat
  2. 00:38:395 (19) - Remove finisher (Same that Kantan)
  3. 00:49:304 (48) - ^
  4. 00:55:952 (67) - How about mode to 00:56:293 - ?
  5. 01:37:713 (29) - Add finisher for consistence with 01:38:395 (30,31,32) -
  6. 02:41:804 (19) - Remove finisher
  7. 03:02:941 (80) - kat
  8. 03:08:907 (4) - Remove, no destacable sound. And consistence with 03:14:190 (8,1) -
[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:02:769 - You can add don for follow the vocal, the same here 00:06:861 -
  2. 00:09:588 - Here add kat for same reason ^
  3. 00:24:247 - Add don here, sound is better
  4. 00:33:282 (1) - kat, the finisher sound not good
  5. 00:38:395 (25) - Remove finisher
  6. 00:44:105 (48) - Move to 00:44:787 -
  7. 00:44:532 (51) - kat
  8. 01:30:725 (13) - Remove, no sound here
  9. 01:36:009 (41,42) - ^
  10. 02:53:225 - Here add triplet ddd 1/4
[Oni]
  1. 00:28:338 (61,65) - Remove notes for order not to lengthen the pattern too much
  2. 00:38:395 (30) - kat (drum pitch)
  3. 01:14:702 - Add kat to follow the instrumental
  4. 01:46:151 (36) - Move to 01:45:980 - and change to don
  5. 01:46:492 - Add kat to follow the vocal
  6. 01:47:514 (44) - Here no sound, remove
  7. 01:50:242 (1) - The same ^
  8. 01:57:912 (30) - Remove, no sound
  9. 01:59:787 - Add don and 01:59:872 (41) - change to kat
  10. 03:02:259 (168,169,170,171,172,173) - The same that 01:45:895 - (if you accept the suggestion)
  11. 03:13:508 (2,3,4,5) - kdddk 1/4
That's all, I don't mod Inner Oni because you modded 4 diff in my mapset. This need more mods, you can find!
Good luck!
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,393 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan
[General]
  1. I've been lurking about the song since it's really nice to listen and noticed the title is written as "Ai Waguma". Can you provide sources that AIWAGUMA is correct and not split as "AI WAGUMA" instead?
[Inner Oni]
00:55:100 (1,2,3,4) - I understand at a certain point the usage of 1/6 but it doesn't feel "right" imo. It rather looks random and not well placed, I would keep 00:55:100 (1) - and delete the rest, (1) should be a Big Kat afterwards.
01:00:895 - 01:03:111 - The breaks at 01:02:088 - and 01:01:747 - should be mapped while 01:02:770 (52,53,54) - should be removed; You mapped 00:55:441 - 01:00:213 - quite impactful and partly because of the vocals. for the said time spots you should apply to the changes since it makes it more obvious what you mainly go for.
01:05:924 (74) - The stream feels.. sorta spammy and not well to play, split it a bit. And remove this note.
03:15:213 (59) - What about emphasizing the vocals here with k? It barely hurts the bgm mapping and fits very well imo.
03:15:725 (64,65,66) - I find ddk or dkk more suitable if you go by the music.

I like your style; Some part feel unfamiliar to me but not because they're bad, mainly because it's something "new" to me how this and that are mapped this way. Then again I like the rhythm you're adding with your mapping in combination with the music mapping - which goes directly by the music. You did a good difficulty here, in my opinion.


[Oni]
00:22:713 - 01:41:804 - this is purely my personal opinion but before 01:41:804 - you should try to keep your combos at some parts shorter. I think some parts feels too long compared to the next/previous combos you did and ruins the atmosphere a bit. I will go point by point which parts I am talking about:

  1. 00:27:486 - 00:29:532 - remove 00:28:338 (61) - to emphasize 00:28:168 (60,62) - better.
  2. 00:39:077 - 00:40:782 - remove 00:39:929 (37) - , I think the d k k k d x k k ddk k setup is really nice and feels more relaxed to play.
  3. 00:46:918 - 00:48:963 - remove 00:48:282 (80) - to emphasize 00:48:111 (79) - better with the vocal.
  4. 00:49:645 - 00:52:032 - remove 00:50:924 (94,95) - , similar emphasis like the previous point.
  5. 01:14:787 (43) - the doublet here sounds very strange if you ask me, I wouldn't use it here.
  6. 01:33:282 - 01:35:668 - remove 01:34:475 (39) - which is very weak and improves the emphasis of 01:34:304 (38) - and 01:34:645 (40) - .
01:57:486 (26,27,28,29,30,31,32) - I would re-do this part since it feels very weird to go with kkkkd while there is nothing significant here which justifies that well. What about k d kdd instead?
02:13:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Also here I feel the stream doesn't really fit very much, split it to two triplets (mean remove 02:14:105 (4,8) - )
02:24:588 (2,3,4) - Personally I am unsure if you really have to map these unsignificant sounds of the song, it feels strange at all. :|
02:39:247 (20) - What about removing this note? the break and doublet fits pretty good here if you ask me.
02:50:157 (89) - ^
03:13:338 (1) - consider removing this note to shortend the combo a bit.
03:13:508 (2,3,4,5) - while I hear what you're following, I find dk kd appears very random and kicks out the rhythm you're previously following. You could try dkd k instead.
03:17:259 (1,2,3,4) - as well here I don't think you should follow /that/ sound, ddk k works way better here.
03:18:793 (13) - as well, like 03:13:338 - you could remove this note so the combo isn't that long.
03:18:963 (14,15,16,17) - again, dkd k would be a nice choice here and is still similar to your rhythm.

The difficulty is okay but it has a lot of room open for improvement. I am not the sort of modder to interrupt the mapper too much about their rhythm and pattern they use so I didn't point out too much here. However, I feel that many spots can have a better emphasis if you go by various methods like "less is more" - using less notes at some parts to have more emphasis at certain spots with notes. Something that you really should consider is a fixed scheme in what you mainly focus. You can't follow both, vocals and background music the same way. It's good to have a bit of bgm or vocals but you need to decide what you actually follow. Some parts felt weird and like you tried to follow both things, that's just a little advice after all, don't worry too much.

[Muzukashii]
Something you need to consider between Muzukashii and Oni is not only to reduce the density but also to have shorter combos. You can't and shouldn't have the same lenght of combos (or even longer) for a Muzukashii. Trying to go point by point what should be changed.

00:06:350 - 00:11:804 - This is a good example because it's near identical to the Oni Difficulty. Try to delete some 1/2 and 1/1 notes.
00:11:804 - 00:22:713 - compared to the Oni, the Muzukashii Difficulty has more notes in this part. Delete for example 00:12:145 (40,42) - , 00:13:850 (4) - , 00:15:895 (11,12,13) - , 00:17:600 (15) - , 00:21:350 (12) - , 00:22:543 (18) - .
00:22:713 - 00:33:622 - Also this part can be improved a lot and use easier pattern - because to make a Muzukashii significant easier than an Oni it means to use less notes, easier rhythm (less 1/4, etc) and easier pattern. If you use them in the Oni you have weird difficulty spikes and drops at parts which aren't good.

In all honest: I've been checking the complete difficulty till the end and the same issues I just pointed out above applies for the rest of the map. You have combos like 01:33:452 (26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39) - with another following combo of 01:36:009 (40,41,42,43,44,1,2,3,4,5,6) - which is impossible to have with the current settings. Read this guide what's important for mapping each difficulty, it may also help for other difficulties too!: t/152263

What I can re-quote from the guide is: Less is more. Try to keep 1/2 patterns small. This is pretty much what you should follow in the first place because your Muzukashii cannot be the same or harder at any time or part than the Oni. And for now the Muzukashii Difficulty has for around 3/4 of the time the same density and/or complexity. Also, if you're worried about it: Don't worry too much about the Star Rating, it barely means anything today.

[Kantan]
00:04:986 (4) - what about k? k k d sounds pretty cool and is a nice follow-up.
00:09:077 - 00:13:168 - https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/iT8peZqw.png This is STILL acceptable for a Kantan Difficulty and easier to follow. Removed the note at 00:12:486 - to avoid the long combo.
00:13:168 - 00:23:395 - https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/2Y71PYlF.png decreasing the density a bit and adding more breaks, it makes the part more suitable for newer players.
01:17:259 - 01:27:486 - for the calmer part of the song you should use less notes; remove every second note, starting with 01:17:941 (5) - then 01:19:304 (7) - and so on.
01:36:350 (15,16,17,18,19) - instead of using k d k k d - which is quite complicated, you could use k d k d k instead.

well, I can't tell much more about the difficulty since I skipped Futsuu so it's hard to judge the gap.

Good luck!
Ellyu
429 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Ellyu

gaston_2199 wrote:

Hi!
M4M
Sorry for so late response :(

[Kantan]
Consider deleting multiple notes to make it much more accessible to Kantan players (this is a 'normal')
  1. 00:01:577 (2,4,6) - Remove for emphatize the vocal here 00:00:895 (1,3,5) -
  2. How about move 00:05:327 (8) - to 00:06:009 - ? Remove this 00:04:986 (7) - if you accept
  3. 00:07:032 (11,13) - Remove.The same 00:01:577 (2,4,6) -
  4. 00:16:236 (5,6) - Remove for follow this pattern 00:11:804 (19,20,1) -
  5. 00:21:691 (6) - Remove
  6. 00:22:372 (8) - kat? Would look great with the instrumental in the background. In addition to giving more emphasis to 00:22:713 (9) -
    00:23:395 (10,12) - Ctrl + G
  7. 00:23:736 (11) - Remove, no destacable sound
  8. 00:28:168 (19) - kat
  9. 00:38:395 (12) - Remove finisher, this is similar to 00:35:668 (7) -
  10. 00:46:236 (26) - Remove
  11. 00:46:577 (27) - kat
  12. 00:49:304 (32) - Same that 00:38:395 (12) -
  13. 01:29:191 (3) - Remove
  14. 01:34:645 (14) - ^
  15. 01:41:122 (25) - kat for adapt the vocal
  16. 01:55:782 (6) - Remove
  17. 01:58:168 (10) - don (drum pitch)
  18. 02:18:622 (5) - Remove
  19. 02:27:827 (7) - ^
    And the rest, remove notes. Try lowering it to less than 1.5 *
All fixed thanks<3

[Futsuu]
Same case, remove notes. This is "Hard", Try lowering it to less than 2.2*
  1. 00:09:759 (22) - kat
  2. 00:38:395 (19) - Remove finisher (Same that Kantan)
  3. 00:49:304 (48) - ^
  4. 00:55:952 (67) - How about mode to 00:56:293 - ?
  5. 01:37:713 (29) - Add finisher for consistence with 01:38:395 (30,31,32) -
  6. 02:41:804 (19) - Remove finisher
  7. 03:02:941 (80) - kat
  8. 03:08:907 (4) - Remove, no destacable sound. And consistence with 03:14:190 (8,1) -
doing remap job now;w;
[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:02:769 - You can add don for follow the vocal, the same here 00:06:861 -
  2. 00:09:588 - Here add kat for same reason ^
  3. 00:24:247 - Add don here, sound is better
  4. 00:33:282 (1) - kat, the finisher sound not good
  5. 00:38:395 (25) - Remove finisher
  6. 00:44:105 (48) - Move to 00:44:787 -
  7. 00:44:532 (51) - kat
  8. 01:30:725 (13) - Remove, no sound here
  9. 01:36:009 (41,42) - ^
  10. 02:53:225 - Here add triplet ddd 1/4no cuz i follow vocal here
the rest are fixed
[Oni]
  1. 00:28:338 (61,65) - Remove notes for order not to lengthen the pattern too much
  2. 00:38:395 (30) - kat (drum pitch)
  3. 01:14:702 - Add kat to follow the instrumental
  4. 01:46:151 (36) - Move to 01:45:980 - and change to don
  5. 01:46:492 - Add kat to follow the vocalthis shoud be don.the pitch is low
  6. 01:47:514 (44) - Here no sound, remove
  7. 01:50:242 (1) - The same ^
  8. 01:57:912 (30) - Remove, no sound
  9. 01:59:787 - Add don and 01:59:872 (41) - change to kat
  10. 03:02:259 (168,169,170,171,172,173) - The same that 01:45:895 - (if you accept the suggestion)
  11. 03:13:508 (2,3,4,5) - kdddk 1/4
changed to kd dk cuz no obvious sound at the red tick
That's all, I don't mod Inner Oni because you modded 4 diff in my mapset. This need more mods, you can find!
Good luck!
Ellyu
429 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Ellyu

Stefan wrote:

[General]
  1. I've been lurking about the song since it's really nice to listen and noticed the title is written as "Ai Waguma". Can you provide sources that AIWAGUMA is correct and not split as "AI WAGUMA" instead?https://puu.sh/ubIs2/d01a95aca1.png


[Inner Oni]
00:55:100 (1,2,3,4) - I understand at a certain point the usage of 1/6 but it doesn't feel "right" imo. It rather looks random and not well placed, I would keep 00:55:100 (1) - and delete the rest, (1) should be a Big Kat afterwards.I ask some tester for their advise before and they said it's fine. I place them cuz there actually are rather fast beats here. They can also emphasize the next heavy beat i guess
01:00:895 - 01:03:111 - The breaks at 01:02:088 - and 01:01:747 - should be mapped while 01:02:770 (52,53,54) - should be removed; You mapped 00:55:441 - 01:00:213 - quite impactful and partly because of the vocals. for the said time spots you should apply to the changes since it makes it more obvious what you mainly go for.Fixed some but not pretty like what u said.;w;
01:05:924 (74) - The stream feels.. sorta spammy and not well to play, split it a bit. And remove this note.
03:15:213 (59) - What about emphasizing the vocals here with k? It barely hurts the bgm mapping and fits very well imo.
03:15:725 (64,65,66) - I find ddk or dkk more suitable if you go by the music.

I like your style; Some part feel unfamiliar to me but not because they're bad, mainly because it's something "new" to me how this and that are mapped this way. Then again I like the rhythm you're adding with your mapping in combination with the music mapping - which goes directly by the music. You did a good difficulty here, in my opinion.really glad to see someone like my style!


[Oni]
00:22:713 - 01:41:804 - this is purely my personal opinion but before 01:41:804 - you should try to keep your combos at some parts shorter. I think some parts feels too long compared to the next/previous combos you did and ruins the atmosphere a bit. I will go point by point which parts I am talking about:

  1. 00:27:486 - 00:29:532 - remove 00:28:338 (61) - to emphasize 00:28:168 (60,62) - better.
  2. 00:39:077 - 00:40:782 - remove 00:39:929 (37) - , I think the d k k k d x k k ddk k setup is really nice and feels more relaxed to play.
  3. 00:46:918 - 00:48:963 - remove 00:48:282 (80) - to emphasize 00:48:111 (79) - better with the vocal.
  4. 00:49:645 - 00:52:032 - remove 00:50:924 (94,95) - , similar emphasis like the previous point.
  5. 01:14:787 (43) - the doublet here sounds very strange if you ask me, I wouldn't use it here.
  6. 01:33:282 - 01:35:668 - remove 01:34:475 (39) - which is very weak and improves the emphasis of 01:34:304 (38) - and 01:34:645 (40) - .
01:57:486 (26,27,28,29,30,31,32) - I would re-do this part since it feels very weird to go with kkkkd while there is nothing significant here which justifies that well. What about k d kdd instead?
02:13:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Also here I feel the stream doesn't really fit very much, split it to two triplets (mean remove 02:14:105 (4,8) - )
02:24:588 (2,3,4) - Personally I am unsure if you really have to map these unsignificant sounds of the song, it feels strange at all. :|
02:39:247 (20) - What about removing this note? the break and doublet fits pretty good here if you ask me.
02:50:157 (89) - ^
03:13:338 (1) - consider removing this note to shortend the combo a bit.
03:13:508 (2,3,4,5) - while I hear what you're following, I find dk kd appears very random and kicks out the rhythm you're previously following. You could try dkd k instead.
03:17:259 (1,2,3,4) - as well here I don't think you should follow /that/ sound, ddk k works way better here.
03:18:793 (13) - as well, like 03:13:338 - you could remove this note so the combo isn't that long.
03:18:963 (14,15,16,17) - again, dkd k would be a nice choice here and is still similar to your rhythm.

The difficulty is okay but it has a lot of room open for improvement. I am not the sort of modder to interrupt the mapper too much about their rhythm and pattern they use so I didn't point out too much here. However, I feel that many spots can have a better emphasis if you go by various methods like "less is more" - using less notes at some parts to have more emphasis at certain spots with notes. Something that you really should consider is a fixed scheme in what you mainly focus. You can't follow both, vocals and background music the same way. It's good to have a bit of bgm or vocals but you need to decide what you actually follow. Some parts felt weird and like you tried to follow both things, that's just a little advice after all, don't worry too much.

[Muzukashii]
Something you need to consider between Muzukashii and Oni is not only to reduce the density but also to have shorter combos. You can't and shouldn't have the same lenght of combos (or even longer) for a Muzukashii. Trying to go point by point what should be changed.

00:06:350 - 00:11:804 - This is a good example because it's near identical to the Oni Difficulty. Try to delete some 1/2 and 1/1 notes.
00:11:804 - 00:22:713 - compared to the Oni, the Muzukashii Difficulty has more notes in this part. Delete for example 00:12:145 (40,42) - , 00:13:850 (4) - , 00:15:895 (11,12,13) - , 00:17:600 (15) - , 00:21:350 (12) - , 00:22:543 (18) - .
00:22:713 - 00:33:622 - Also this part can be improved a lot and use easier pattern - because to make a Muzukashii significant easier than an Oni it means to use less notes, easier rhythm (less 1/4, etc) and easier pattern. If you use them in the Oni you have weird difficulty spikes and drops at parts which aren't good.

In all honest: I've been checking the complete difficulty till the end and the same issues I just pointed out above applies for the rest of the map. You have combos like 01:33:452 (26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39) - with another following combo of 01:36:009 (40,41,42,43,44,1,2,3,4,5,6) - which is impossible to have with the current settings. Read this guide what's important for mapping each difficulty, it may also help for other difficulties too!: t/152263

What I can re-quote from the guide is: Less is more. Try to keep 1/2 patterns small. This is pretty much what you should follow in the first place because your Muzukashii cannot be the same or harder at any time or part than the Oni. And for now the Muzukashii Difficulty has for around 3/4 of the time the same density and/or complexity. Also, if you're worried about it: Don't worry too much about the Star Rating, it barely means anything today.

[Kantan]
00:04:986 (4) - what about k? k k d sounds pretty cool and is a nice follow-up.
00:09:077 - 00:13:168 - https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/iT8peZqw.png This is STILL acceptable for a Kantan Difficulty and easier to follow. Removed the note at 00:12:486 - to avoid the long combo.
00:13:168 - 00:23:395 - https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/2Y71PYlF.png decreasing the density a bit and adding more breaks, it makes the part more suitable for newer players.
01:17:259 - 01:27:486 - for the calmer part of the song you should use less notes; remove every second note, starting with 01:17:941 (5) - then 01:19:304 (7) - and so on.
01:36:350 (15,16,17,18,19) - instead of using k d k k d - which is quite complicated, you could use k d k d k instead.

well, I can't tell much more about the difficulty since I skipped Futsuu so it's hard to judge the gap.

Good luck!
no reply=fixed
I just got another thing to deal with so I will fix the rest diff another some days.
Ellyu
429 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Ellyu
Well.I am really sry that I restart to read stefan's mod too late. I mod it by myself and changed lots of patterns. So I can't understand what the mod refers to now.But I still fix what I can understand now.
Anyway thank you stefan!
Otosaka-Yu
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Otosaka-Yu
o.o O.O 0.0
Lobelia
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Lobelia
选曲好评~~赞一个
顺便。。这个BPM貌似应该是88，翻倍不好吧← ←
Stjpa
886 posts
Joined July 2013
Stjpa
awesome song, where did u find it?
Ellyu
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Topic Starter
Ellyu
oh
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Stefan
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Stefan

handsome muscle wrote:

Well.I am really sry that I restart to read stefan's mod too late. I mod it by myself and changed lots of patterns. So I can't understand what the mod refers to now.But I still fix what I can understand now.
Anyway thank you stefan!
Aww, too bad to hear. Anyways, instead of modding the Futsuu (since three weeks passed already) I will re-check the set again and give a proper feedback what I like/dislike, etc.

[Inner Oni]
I like the Inner Oni a lot! It reminds me strongly on my first maps I've did but quality-wise yours is on a better level. You're mapping quite continously - some like that while other aren't fans of this mapping style since it looks overdone and less emphaszing to them. Nevertheless I find your difficulty pretty cool to play and I honestly would like to see it ranked one day.

[Oni]
I clearly see similarities between Oni and Inner Oni which is a nice concept since Inner Oni in the original TnT games are supposed to be the "real Oni Difficulty", so this is a nice adaption of that idea. Difficulty-wise you nerfed the stream pattern and used some easier pattern for five or triplets, as standalone Oni it might be too hard but we have the Lite Oni for this case. Generally, feels pretty good to play and a nice alternative if Lite Oni is too easy and Inner Oni too hard.

[Lite Oni]
This one is new, right? The Difficulty feels not so consistent. We have parts that goes well as Lite Oni - in contrast with the actual Oni - but then we have parts that rather feels like a Muzukashii Difficulty, 01:06:452 - 01:17:361 - for example. What works good is that you don't use multicolour fiv-lets and stick with multicolour triplets. So the only concern I have is the inconsistent difficulty curve the diff has - but it's also the newest so I guess we have to work on it before making judgements.

[Muzukashii]
Since Lite Oni used longer combo pattern and mostly triplets you don't have so much room left of what you can use - and I see the problem between the gap of Muzukashii - Lite Oni. For example, 02:47:361 - 03:20:088 - is excellent! It combines a good portion of breaks, using some more uncommon rhythm changes such as 02:53:156 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - and goes very well with the difficulty jump if you see Lite Oni here. Then we have parts that aren't soooo good, such as the usage of triplets while Lite Oni do provide them in a small portion, even if they're multicoloured I think you don't need them in Muzukashii. Also, I don't think you need longer combo pattern such as 02:28:611 (13,14,15,16,17,18,19,1,2,3,4,5,6) - . And lastly the intro until 00:22:815 - should be nerfed since it's basically the same than Lite Oni. For now I barely see difference between Muzukashii and Lite Oni and that makes one of these difficulties for the most part redundant - that's not the sense of a difficulty and difficulty gap.

[Futsuu]
At some point it feels what the Muzukashii should have been, on some parts it felt straight like a Futsuu. Generally I think you should find something that's exactly between your current Muzukashii and Futsuu - this would be the perfect Muzukashii to have. After then you gotta optimize the Futsuu. I think this is easily doable since you're almost in Muzukashii Level with 2.23 so going down to 2* and even lower is easily possible. The break usage is pretty good but I think the pattern itself can be kept easier, 01:51:111 (19,1,2,3,4,1) - for example can have an easier pattern (d k k d k d is to be fair something you can get lost very quickly). And aside of that I can only rely you will do something with the Muzukashii.

[Kantan]
Something that I strongly recommend to NOT do is continous mapping. Although you don't map every white tick it's neither recommend to have every 2nd white tick mapped. A Kantan difficulty is supposed to be the first thing a newcomer plays (we can't expect your Kantan is really the first difficulty someone ever plays but this sort of difficulty works this way), so having continous mapping is a killer for newcomers. The song itself is really calm until 02:36:452 - so you can use waaaay less notes and/or a lower density than right now. Obviously it's neither good if the map itself is boring but I think you should go with the practicular usage a Kantan should have.


I hope my feedback can help you to improve your mapset, and please do not kudos this post. Already got one some time ago. Good luck!
Pata-Mon
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Pata-Mon
quick view

easy
01:37:815 (1,1,1,1,2) - 低难度不要用这样的特殊nc 这只会让新手更懵逼
01:52:815 (1,2) - 低难度避免使用这种视觉ds和实际ds严重不同的pattern

hard
01:52:134 (3,4) - 这种相关一组的用一样的弧度或者直接复制粘贴 这样差不少看着挺刺眼的
02:35:770 (1) - 简单hard中，这种慢速滑条建议用稍高一点的sv（比如0.8），然后弯成弧度比较大的弯滑条，这样实际打起来的减速效果还是很明显，并且读图会简单一些，更适合hard：https://puu.sh/uO5Ly/8e222c5d08.png
03:07:134 (3) - 这种程度的遮挡在hard里不行．实际上在insane中都不太行，底下也是．当然 insane里可以错开几像素，但是hard里还是建议完全摆开
03:23:838 (4,1,2,3,4,5) - ^ 而且这里还多一点，折返滑条的折返箭头更需要注意

hyper
需要注意一下1/2与1/4的区别：03:18:043 (3,4,5,1) - 03:18:724 (1,2) - 等等．一定要有明显区别．实际上结尾段落的节奏综合这难度整体来看有点过难
_MiaoFUuU_
314 posts
Joined April 2014
_MiaoFUuU_

Hyper



  • 00:26:736 (4) - 这个还是叠一下好
    00:37:474 (5) - 这个上移一下包好4
    00:49:065 (3) - 左移一下
    01:09:861 (3) - 包好1
    02:25:543 (1,2) - 这个1要不要跟2一样？
    02:54:179 (1,2,3) - 这里包的距离不一样
    03:16:338 (3,4,5) - DS
    03:32:361 (1) - 包好

Another

  • 这个难度做的挺好的！
    02:01:338 (2,3,4) - 这里还是奇怪。把23做成短滑条好很多
    02:12:759 (5,6,7) - 奇怪，把5删了会更好
    02:58:099 (2,3,1) - 吐槽下这里，换了另一种风格了。建议改一下

E=mc^2

怎么拿了标题做难度名了2333

  • 00:09:179 (1,1) - 包好
    00:14:463 (5) - 这个叠好
    00:31:509 (2) - 包好
    00:42:247 (2,3,2,3) - 我觉得做成滑条会好点，人声拖长，前面你也是滑条了
    00:56:906 (1,2) - 这两个不做滑条的话叠起来体验更好
    01:00:315 (4,5) - ↑
    01:02:702 (3,4) - ↑（不要因为有鼓点就一直跳，要配合人声）
    01:28:952 (5,2) - 滑条稍微包好
    01:43:952 (1,2) - 叠起来
    01:49:406 (5,6) - ↑
    02:04:406 (3,4) - 换滑条
    02:13:952 (5,6,7,8) - DS太大，结尾不应该更小么
    02:28:185 (7) - 这个贴滑条尾难打去下一个
    02:34:236 (5) - NC
    02:33:895 (2,3,3,4) - 干脆都换滑条吧，不顺手
    02:38:838 (6,7,8) - 这里没什么意义啊为什么要跳红线放去蓝线，干脆把7拉去红线
    02:48:043 (3,4,5) - 这里节奏 ctrl+g才对
    02:49:747 (6,7,8) - 同上面说过的（后面还有）
    这个难度的后段很多地方不符合我的自己的节奏下法啊，很多该按的没放到，我还是客观摸那么多好了。

好多太鼓难度，祝早飞！
Ellyu
429 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Ellyu
Ah stefan u r such a nice person. I got really great feedback after seeing ur second mod. That must worth 100kds or more. Sure there is lots of problem in the lower diff cuz I am a new comer in taiko mapping. I will do more fixing job on those diff. Big thanks.
[Kamiya]
637 posts
Joined November 2012
[Kamiya]
form in-game

来了来了


[Hard]

00:07:815 (1,3) - 没包好

00:30:315 (3) - 完全可以倒过来放嘛 ctrl k 再放回原位

00:47:361 (1,2,3) - 如果保证美观的（强迫症）话。应该要包好

01:43:952 (3) - 造型没做好

01:57:077 (2,3) - 没包住

02:07:815 (1,2) - 弯度不一致

[Hyper]

00:09:179 (1,2) - 没叠住 是故意的吗

后面也好多没叠住的 看起来像故意为之。。

[iiiii's Insane]

01:12:929 (3,4) - 这里感觉拖了节奏 可以把3slider换成单点

01:13:781 (6,1,2) - 节奏反了

01:28:952 (3,4) - 不打算包住吗

[Another]

00:29:463 (5,1) - 没包住

01:15:315 (3,5) - 没包好

01:42:588 (3,5) - ^

01:45:315 (4,6) - ^

01:46:338 (2,4) - ^

03:28:611 (2,3) - ??? 能不能贴点边。。。

E=mc^2



00:09:179 (1,1) - 没包好 可以说是滑条造型没做好

00:55:202 (1,1,1,1,1) - 这样摆会不会反人类了。

01:29:974 (3,1) - 没包好

曲子非常好听！！改了听了7遍改了5个diff 心灵得到了充分的净化_(:з」∠)_
就摸到这里啦 其实都是些小问题啦

GL~ :)
_Yiiiii
464 posts
Joined February 2015
_Yiiiii
四萌

[Kamiya] wrote:

[iiiii's Insane]

01:12:929 (3,4) - 这里感觉拖了节奏 可以把3slider换成单点 fixed

01:13:781 (6,1,2) - 节奏反了 fixed

01:28:952 (3,4) - 不打算包住吗 那样flow会比较恶心
thx~
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kanor
924 posts
Joined August 2013
kanor
[Genal]
Countdown:
iiiii's Insane: 0
QQ_曅20170318113726.png这个文件没有用到
Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms:
soft-hitclap10.wav
soft-hitclap11.wav
soft-hitfinish10.wav
soft-hitnormal.wav
soft-hitnormal4.wav
soft-hitwhistle4.wav
taiko-soft-hitclap10.wav
taiko-soft-hitclap11.wav
taiko-soft-hitfinish10.wav
00:09:179 - No two uninherited or two inherited timing sections should be placed at the same point. 这个MA里报错了但是我不是很确定是什么原因，Hard和猪腩肚里有这个问题

太晚了，先查下unrankable，具体的明天再看 :)

[Easy]
01:38:156 (1) - 这个NC有点多余，删了吧
02:36:452 (1,3) - 这种我可能更倾向于复制粘贴吧，重新拉一个不对称感觉有点丑
[i4]
00:14:463 (6,1,2) - 6叠1上感觉更舒服，因为你叠在前面的话红线起跳不是很舒服，
00:23:497 (3,4) - 节奏ctrl+g一下更舒服
00:43:270 (1,2,3) - 如果1和2要这么下的话，我觉得把3去掉，2拉长成1/1直接做个停顿可能更好吧，不然现在这样流畅感又不如前面滑条spam，停顿感又不是很强
00:51:452 (1,2,3) - 同样的节奏，你前面都是1/2带过去的，这里为什么突然要3/4呢
00:46:849 (5) - 因为你在同一个段落里这里00:52:474 (4) - 有一个停顿，那么这里也停顿一下有个照应更舒服
其他的没什么好说的，GL :)
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Ellyu
429 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Ellyu

[Kamiya] wrote:

form in-game

来了来了


[Hard]

00:47:361 (1,2,3) - 如果保证美观的（强迫症）话。应该要包好 这里没想着包的啊


[Hyper]

00:09:179 (1,2) - 没叠住 是故意的吗

后面也好多没叠住的 看起来像故意为之。。是的，1/1的空拍我个人习惯不叠

[iiiii's Insane]

01:12:929 (3,4) - 这里感觉拖了节奏 可以把3slider换成单点

01:13:781 (6,1,2) - 节奏反了

01:28:952 (3,4) - 不打算包住吗

[Another]

03:28:611 (2,3) - ??? 能不能贴点边。。。这样更好玩啊

E=mc^2



00:55:202 (1,1,1,1,1) - 这样摆会不会反人类了。不反人类，五位数的tester这里都不会出miss，而且这里音乐情感这么强

曲子非常好听！！改了听了7遍改了5个diff 心灵得到了充分的净化_(:з」∠)_我自己一人做了10个难度re过几次，我是不是已经升天了
就摸到这里啦 其实都是些小问题啦

GL~ :)
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