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Larval Stage Planning - Honey Trap Aufheben [Taiko]

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Volta
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 26 January 2017 at 07:49:16

Artist: Larval Stage Planning
Title: Honey Trap Aufheben
Source: 恋のハニトー~えっちで甘いハニートラップ~
Tags: Koi no Honey Toast ~Ecchi de Amai Honey Trap~ visual novel eroge i've sound whitesoft albino C.G MIX awful heaven 松島詩史 matsushima shifumi 桐島愛里 kirishima airi Communication Groove mix
BPM: 156
Filesize: 3300kb
Play Time: 01:33
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (2 stars, 226 notes)
  2. Inner Oni (5.01 stars, 601 notes)
  3. Kantan (1.24 stars, 130 notes)
  4. Muzukashii (2.81 stars, 353 notes)
  5. Oni (3.72 stars, 483 notes)
Download: Larval Stage Planning - Honey Trap Aufheben
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Kantan... 100%
Futsuu... 100%
Muzukashii... 100%
Oni... 100%
Inner Oni... 100%

Thanks
Surono - quality BG
Charlotte - star
Nightstalker - mod
-TheHateD- - mod
IControl - mod
frukoyurdakul - mod
Aloda - mod
chaica - mod
Chromoxx - bubble
-sh1n1- - qualify
Surono
Topic Starter
Volta
thx 4 quality bg
and thx for star charlotte lol
Nightstalker
Alrighty, let's do this :)

Kantan Diff:

SPOILER
  • What I immediately found was that the approach speed seems a little fast for a Kantan Diff.
    The gaps between notes makes it easier, but I still think it might be too hard to read for newbies. You might wanna consider setting the slider velocity down to 1,20 or even 1,00. It's up to you ^^

    01:33:048 - I think, since this is the last note, a Hitfinish would sound good.

    Additionally, I think lowering the HP Drain by 1 or 2 would be a good idea, since the Kantan Diff doesn't contain many notes, and beginner's make more often mistakes than more experienced players. Putting on a bit of pressure onto the player in my opinion should start at around Muzu diff. Tho in the end, it's up to you, I however suggest lowering, even if it's just by a bit ^^

    Other than that, there's nothing else I personally would change ^^

Futsuu Diff:

SPOILER
  • 00:03:048 - I think a kat suits here better

    00:15:741 - I replaced the Don with a kat and it sounds good in my opinion, give it a try ^^

    00:16:125 - Exchange the kat with a don

    If you did the two above this one, make sure to keep it consistent at the other parts of the map. I'll list all times where you would need to change the hitsounds so they are just like the two above.

    00:21:894 - make it a kat
    00:22:279 - make it a don

    00:22:664 - A kat here sounds better if you changed the two above

    01:28:048 - make it a kat
    01:28:433 - make it a don
    01:28:817 - make this one a kat too

    01:33:048 - A hitfinish for the last note would definitley be nice here ^^

    Other than that, I wasn't able to find anything else ^^

Muzukashii Diff:

SPOILER
  • 00:36:894 - this one a don 00:37:279 - and this one the kat sounds better I think

    00:38:817 - Consider making this one a kat aswell

    00:46:894 - The kat here sounds out of place. Maybe change it to a don instead.

    00:55:164 - Here's a pattern I'm not 100% sure if it's correct what I'm about to say, but I've heard a couple of times, that you should avoid these kind of patterns in muzu diff's in longer patterns. So if that's actually the case, either keep the kat-kat-don pattern and remove 00:54:779 the don here and the kat 00:55:741 here, or get rid of the kat-kat-don pattern just to be safe.

    01:23:817 - Consider exchanging the kat with a don

    01:28:433 - if you make this one a don, and 01:28:817 - this one a kat I think it sounds better

    01:33:048 - again to finish off with the last note, I recommend using a hitfinish, it's completely optional, but in my opinion it rounds it off better, and makes it clear that this is the last note ^^

    That's all I was able to find in the muzu diff. Not bad at all, I like your style!

I'm going to skip both Oni and Inner Oni, because normally I'd skip this request entirely, since the map can be turned into a really hard beatmap, but since you had Kantan, Futsuu and Muzu diffs here, I decided to at least mod them and then skip Oni and Inner Oni.
One thing, however, I'd like to add is that you should definitely change Oni to Inner Oni, and Inner Oni to Ura Oni (Or give it a cooler sounding name like Fatal Oni ;D).

Sorry for skipping Oni and Inner Oni entirely, don't take it personal, but it exceeds my current modding skill. Mapping, no problem, but modding is something entirely different for me, because your style is different to mine.

That's that, I must admit, I really like your Beatmap so far. If you change up the things I mentioned for the easier diffs, I'll definitely keep an eye out, and might throw in some stars once I got some Kudosu (because I've spent all of the ones blindly on my map xD).
If you're going for ranked, it will be hard (because most taiko modders are not as active as before anymore :S) but I'm sure you can do it ^^
Topic Starter
Volta

Nightstalker wrote:

Alrighty, let's do this :)

Kantan Diff:

SPOILER
  • What I immediately found was that the approach speed seems a little fast for a Kantan Diff.
    The gaps between notes makes it easier, but I still think it might be too hard to read for newbies. You might wanna consider setting the slider velocity down to 1,20 or even 1,00. It's up to you ^^ nope, 1.40 is fine. i only use 1.2 at 220+ bpm

    01:33:048 - I think, since this is the last note, a Hitfinish would sound good. fixed

    Additionally, I think lowering the HP Drain by 1 or 2 would be a good idea, since the Kantan Diff doesn't contain many notes, and beginner's make more often mistakes than more experienced players. Putting on a bit of pressure onto the player in my opinion should start at around Muzu diff. Tho in the end, it's up to you, I however suggest lowering, even if it's just by a bit ^^ about HP/OD setting, refer to this guide: https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Difficulty_appr ... y_elements , for taiko, the lower the notes count, the higher the HP should be, because taiko gameplay is different than other mode

    Other than that, there's nothing else I personally would change ^^

Futsuu Diff:

SPOILER
  • 00:03:048 - I think a kat suits here better the pitch is lower than 00:03:817 - so d will also fits here

    00:15:741 - I replaced the Don with a kat and it sounds good in my opinion, give it a try ^^ hmm d can emphasis the higher pitch at 00:16:125 - better, so i'll keep it for now

    00:16:125 - Exchange the kat with a don ^

    If you did the two above this one, make sure to keep it consistent at the other parts of the map. I'll list all times where you would need to change the hitsounds so they are just like the two above.

    00:21:894 - make it a kat
    00:22:279 - make it a don
    00:22:664 - A kat here sounds better if you changed the two above
    same as above reason

    01:28:048 - make it a kat
    01:28:433 - make it a don
    01:28:817 - make this one a kat too
    same as above reason

    01:33:048 - A hitfinish for the last note would definitley be nice here ^^ fixed

    Other than that, I wasn't able to find anything else ^^

Muzukashii Diff:

SPOILER
  • 00:36:894 - this one a don 00:37:279 - and this one the kat sounds better I think retained for pattern coherency with 00:30:741 (70,71) -

    00:38:817 - Consider making this one a kat aswell the beat is similar with 00:38:433 - so, d would fits better

    00:46:894 - The kat here sounds out of place. Maybe change it to a don instead.changed, and did some modification here

    00:55:164 - Here's a pattern I'm not 100% sure if it's correct what I'm about to say, but I've heard a couple of times, that you should avoid these kind of patterns in muzu diff's in longer patterns. So if that's actually the case, either keep the kat-kat-don pattern and remove 00:54:779 the don here and the kat 00:55:741 here, or get rid of the kat-kat-don pattern just to be safe.
    also did some modification in kiai section

    01:23:817 - Consider exchanging the kat with a don k can reflect the high pitch melody better here

    01:28:433 - if you make this one a don, and 01:28:817 - this one a kat I think it sounds better keep unchangedm basically same reason as ^

    01:33:048 - again to finish off with the last note, I recommend using a hitfinish, it's completely optional, but in my opinion it rounds it off better, and makes it clear that this is the last note ^^ fixed

    That's all I was able to find in the muzu diff. Not bad at all, I like your style!
thanks for your mod :)
Yaminoma
Hi there, M4M
d= don - normal note
k= katsu - blue note, + whistle/clap
F= don or katsu + finish

[General]
  1. disable "widescreen support" and delete that empty .osb file? lol
  2. OPTIONAL** - you could move the background down just a bit so it looks better, you could change this in the .osu files (dont forget to do it for all diffs)
    [Events]
    //Background and Video events
    0,0,"687474703a2f2f7075752e73682f726b4d62782f616436373132373435352e6a7067.jpg",0,68
    Now you can see her cute face better imo
[Kantan]
  1. Im not sure about easier diffs... but i think you should consider adding more breaks ?
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:26:894 - move to 00:27:664 - and do the same (d k d d k d) pattern here 00:33:817 -
  2. 01:32:856 - this could confuse the beginner players (i kantan and futsuu should be made thinking about the beginner players, not the "KFM mod farmers") i would suggest to delete or move it to 01:32:471 -
[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:43:241 - i think youre following vocal so why not make it a dkdkdkkd ? that would be add d here 00:44:010 - , 00:44:202 - k 00:44:394 - k 00:44:587 - d
  2. 00:56:125 - move it to the previous red tick, to follow the same rhythm as you did at 00:54:394 - , you could also add note here 00:56:317 - then
  3. 01:08:241 - same as above ^
[Oni]
  1. 00:13:241 - no sound here (?) but its up to you keep it or delete it, im not sure, it just plays ok
  2. 00:15:837 - add a d here and 00:21:991 - here
  3. OPTIONAL 00:29:010 - make a ddd pattern here (00:29:010 - / 00:29:106 - / 00:29:202 - )
  4. OPTIONAL2 00:34:779 - ddd here too xD (00:34:779 - / 00:34:875 - / 00:34:971 - )
  5. 01:21:991 - add d here and there 01:28:144 - just like 00:15:837 -
[Inner Oni]
  1. 00:18:625 - change this here for an k , as these kkkk has the same sounds as the kkkk from the start of this pattern
  2. 00:19:202 (4,5) - ctrl+g , 00:19:779 - change this to d 00:19:971 - and 00:20:356 - to k
    pattern should be like this:

    NOTE: CURSOR AT 00:19:202 -
  3. About the next pattern.. Cursor at: 00:24:971 -

    it goes better this way, please note that ive added a note on the end 00:26:221 -
  4. about the other long patterns, you could just do the same as i suggested above, but heres another way to change them
    01:24:779 - k / 01:25:933 - d / 01:26:125 - k / 01:26:414 - k and 01:26:510 - k
  5. Cursor at: 01:31:510 -

    This is another suggestion for the final long pattern, it sounds exactly as the one starting at 00:23:817 -
Hope it helps
Surono
ngemang mau ngerengnya ke sapa U: kek patar aja, ngelophe mapnya sendiri terus di tendank bapak in-gamenya si Nazhi goyeng kekek.
or kunlawo

-TheHateD- wrote:

Hi there

[General]
  1. OPTIONAL** - you could move the background down just a bit so it looks better, you could change this in the .osu files (dont forget to do it for all diffs)
    [Events]
    //Background and Video events
    0,0,"687474703a2f2f7075752e73682f726b4d62782f616436373132373435352e6a7067.jpg",0,69
    Now you can see her cute face better imo
Hope it helps
( - ͜ʖ - )
Yaminoma

Surono wrote:

( - ͜ʖ - )

dem boi

o shit water
Topic Starter
Volta
-TheHateD-

-TheHateD- wrote:

Hi there, M4M
d= don - normal note
k= katsu - blue note, + whistle/clap
F= don or katsu + finish

[General]
  1. disable "widescreen support" and delete that empty .osb file? lol spooky osb file suddenly appeared. fixed.
  2. OPTIONAL** - you could move the background down just a bit so it looks better, you could change this in the .osu files (dont forget to do it for all diffs)
    [Events]
    //Background and Video events
    0,0,"687474703a2f2f7075752e73682f726b4d62782f616436373132373435352e6a7067.jpg",0,68
    Now you can see her cute face better imo current coordinat give better proportion between face and body imo
[Kantan]
  1. Im not sure about easier diffs... but i think you should consider adding more breaks ? i think breaks are sufficient enough.
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:26:894 - move to 00:27:664 - and do the same (d k d d k d) pattern here 00:33:817 - i think the hit at 00:26:894 - can't be ignored, and i want to give longer break there
  2. 01:32:856 - this could confuse the beginner players (i kantan and futsuu should be made thinking about the beginner players, not the "KFM mod farmers") i would suggest to delete or move it to 01:32:471 - deleted, and moved 01:32:087 - to 01:32:471 -
[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:43:241 - i think youre following vocal so why not make it a dkdkdkkd ? that would be add d here 00:44:010 - , 00:44:202 - k 00:44:394 - k 00:44:587 - d i'm afraid the pattern would be too long compared with other pattern in same section
  2. 00:56:125 - move it to the previous red tick, to follow the same rhythm as you did at 00:54:394 - , you could also add note here 00:56:317 - then well, it's because i want to gradually lower the density here and to balance spread between futsuu and oni
  3. 01:08:241 - same as above ^ ^
[Oni]
  1. 00:13:241 - no sound here (?) but its up to you keep it or delete it, im not sure, it just plays ok hmm keep for now because the synth sound goes a bit lower here
  2. 00:15:837 - add a d here and 00:21:991 - here gap with muzu might be too wide at this section.
  3. OPTIONAL 00:29:010 - make a ddd pattern here (00:29:010 - / 00:29:106 - / 00:29:202 - ) because this section is calmer, i think using less notes would reflect it better
  4. OPTIONAL2 00:34:779 - ddd here too xD (00:34:779 - / 00:34:875 - / 00:34:971 - ) same as ^
  5. 01:21:991 - add d here and there 01:28:144 - just like 00:15:837 - same as 00:15:837
[Inner Oni]
  1. 00:18:625 - change this here for an k , as these kkkk has the same sounds as the kkkk from the start of this pattern it's not the same, kkkk at 00:17:856 (32,33,34,35) - is at same pitch, while at 00:18:625 - pitch is lower than next note. and variety of pattern is interesting imo.
  2. 00:19:202 (4,5) - ctrl+g pitch is higher at (5), so current colour would fits better ,
    00:19:779 - change this to d 00:19:971 - and 00:20:356 - to k the dkdkdk at the end of the stream is a bit breaking the flow imo
    pattern should be like this:

    NOTE: CURSOR AT 00:19:202 -
  3. About the next pattern.. Cursor at: 00:24:971 -

    it goes better this way, please note that ive added a note on the end 00:26:221 - i hate that dkdkdkdkdkdkdkdk x_x
    basically i use 3 k at 00:24:010 (27,28,29) - and 4k at 00:24:779 (35,36,37,38) - to emphasis the difference in pitch at the stream, and other colours to make the flow

  4. about the other long patterns, you could just do the same as i suggested above, but heres another way to change them
    01:24:779 - k / 01:25:933 - d / 01:26:125 - k / 01:26:414 - k and 01:26:510 - k remain unchanged for same reason
  5. Cursor at: 01:31:510 -

    This is another suggestion for the final long pattern, it sounds exactly as the one starting at 00:23:817 - remain unchanged because basic structure is same as earlier stream
Hope it helps

thnaks for mod :)
IControl
My mod :)

Kantan



01:07:279 - I feel like the vocal is very intense here and you should add a note. to make sure it doesn't sound to over mapped i would:

01:08:048 (29) - move this to here 01:07:279 -


01:10:356 (34) - I think you should remove this because the vocal doesn't really match here

01:10:741 (34) - move this to here 01:10:548 - ? to match the vocal patterns more accurately


Muzukashii



01:04:202 (50,51) - try moving these 2 to here 01:04:010 - This matches the vocals a bit more accurately and I think the doubles are fun to play

01:12:375 (87) - remove? her voice doesn't sound as fast as in the other parts

01:12:279 (86) - this could be k. her voice sounds higher at this part


Oni


00:13:241 (34,1) - remove this and add spinner? from here:00:13:241 - to here 00:14:394 - There's a lot of stuff going on in this small part so I think a spinner would cover most of the sounds

Sorry it's short all diffs where really good. Good luck getting ranked :)
Topic Starter
Volta
"IControl"
My mod :)

Kantan



01:07:279 - I feel like the vocal is very intense here and you should add a note. to make sure it doesn't sound to over mapped i would:

01:08:048 (29) - move this to here 01:07:279 - true, rearranged.


01:10:356 (34) - I think you should remove this because the vocal doesn't really match here fixed together with above point

01:10:741 (34) - move this to here 01:10:548 - ? to match the vocal patterns more accurately doesn't always necessarily follow vocal, simple beat is more friendly for beginner here


Muzukashii



01:04:202 (50,51) - try moving these 2 to here 01:04:010 - This matches the vocals a bit more accurately and I think the doubles are fun to play remain unchanged to make longer rest, since it became denser in kiai

01:12:375 (87) - remove? her voice doesn't sound as fast as in the other parts i see, but i think it's better to have pattern consistency along the kiai

01:12:279 (86) - this could be k. her voice sounds higher at this part unchanged because i didn't change above point.


Oni


00:13:241 (34,1) - remove this and add spinner? from here:00:13:241 - to here 00:14:394 - There's a lot of stuff going on in this small part so I think a spinner would cover most of the sounds will reconsider later, i want to make some break before the next session

Sorry it's short all diffs where really good. Good luck getting ranked :)

thanks for your mod~
frukoyurdakul
Hi, here are my opinions about Inner Oni diff.

Inner Oni
00:13:337 - Snap that interited point.
00:13:433 (1) - shorthen this spinner to 00:14:106 - here and 00:14:202 - from here add four 1/4 dons
00:14:394 - same as 00:13:337
00:20:356 (16) - k
00:50:548 (2,3) - maybe turn them into kats but dons are fine too, just saying that because of the high vocals :)
01:26:510 (59) - k

I've gotta tell you, this map is really good. Really enjoyed it when playing! Hope this helps and good luck :)
Topic Starter
Volta

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Hi, here are my opinions about Inner Oni diff.

Inner Oni
00:13:337 - Snap that interited point. it is snapped on 1/8, so if player start hit the spinner to early they still get the volume effect
00:13:433 (1) - shorthen this spinner to 00:14:106 - here and 00:14:202 - from here add four 1/4 dons not adding the 1/4 to emphasis the melody stream at next section
00:14:394 - same as 00:13:337 it is snapped on 1/2 for same reason
00:20:356 (16) - k hmm..it lacks a reason to support the use of k here. d would be more flowy imo.
00:50:548 (2,3) - maybe turn them into kats but dons are fine too, just saying that because of the high vocals :) i see but the base beat is same with 00:49:971 - so D is also fine
01:26:510 (59) - k same as 00:20:356

I've gotta tell you, this map is really good. Really enjoyed it when playing! Hope this helps and good luck :)
no change, but thx for your opinion :)
Aloda
Hi.

Metadata
idk if this matters but the official source is slightly different to what you have: "恋のハニトー ~えっちで甘いハニートラップ~" (See here)

In the tags, C,G mix should be C.G mix instead. You might also want to add the long version: "Communication Groove mix".

You could also add '松島詩史' (Matsushima Shifumi) and '桐島愛里' (Kirishima Airi), the vocalists for the song.

You should also add 'Whitesoft' for the developer's name: Whitesoft Albino.

I think a better Romanisation of the title would have 'Honeytrap' as one word. I'm not an expert on this though so I could be wrong.

Kantan
Not mapping to the strong sounds at 00:09:202 and 00:12:279 feels very strange to me when you've mapped to all the other similar sounds around here. I think that having 2/1 like this would be fine, even for a Kantan, since the bpm isn't that high.

In the 00:14:587 - 00:26:894 section, you've tended to use 1/1 triplets at the end of the bar, but for the most part, the start of the bar has the more prominent and interesting sounds. Mapping to the less prominent sounds like you have doesn't play well imo. I strongly suggest changing this sections so that the 1/1 triplets fall at the start of a bar whenever it's appropriate. For the 5 note pattern at 00:19:202, you could remove 00:19:587 (10) then have a 1/1 triplet at 00:20:741, so the pattern continues into the next bar.

00:26:894 - 00:39:202 plays very strangely. Having some bars mapped as 4/1 and some as 2/1 feels really weird to me, since there's no real significant difference between them in the song to justify such a huge difference in density. I think you need to commit to using one beat spacing here throughout the section.

I don't think there are any sounds to justify using a pattern like 00:43:048 (42,43,44) here, especially when there's a really nice vocal sound following it that you've completely ignored. I think you'd be best off leaving this as 2/1 then using the triplet in the next bar to match the nice vocal sounds.

Same kind of thing for 00:49:202 (50,51,52), but here I'd suggest just leaving this whole phrase as 2/1.

I suggest removing 01:19:202 (24,25) and adding a note at 01:18:433. I think this matches the vocals a little better and improves the flow if you apply my suggestions to the following section.

01:20:741 - 01:33:048 same as 00:14:587 - 00:26:894.

Futsuu
I have the same issue with the intro as I did with 00:09:202 and 00:12:279 in the Kantan. There's no reason not to map to the sounds at 00:01:510 and 00:04:587.

For the same reason, I suggest adding a note at 00:09:587.

The gaps you've left at 00:18:048 and 00:24:202 feel really weird to me. These are two of the more intense parts of this section in the music so leaving them unmapped isn't good. Consider adding notes at these timings.

In 00:26:894 - 00:39:202 you seem to be sort-of mapping to the vocals? The structure seems a little strange to me, particularly with the larger gaps that aren't reflected in the music. I think you'd benefit from mapping more closely to the vocals here.

How about adding notes at 00:41:125 and 00:47:279 then removing 00:40:356 (4) and 00:46:510 (19)? I think that having the breaks on the 3rd beat of the bar plays a lot better.

The sounds that you're mapping 00:51:894 (1,2,3,4) to start at 00:51:702, so not having a note here feels weird. Consider adding one here.

Similarly, 01:17:279 (79,80,81) is mapped to the vocals (I think), so not having a note at 01:16:894 feels weird. Again, consider adding a note here.

01:24:202 and 01:30:356 - same as 00:18:048 and 00:24:202.

Muzukashii
The 2/1 gaps that you've left in the 00:26:894 - 00:39:202 section kind of ruin the flow here. Compare 00:26:894 (61,62,63,64) to 00:28:433 (64,65,66,67,68,69). There's very little difference in the music between the two, yet you've mapped the latter to be much more intense. I'm not saying you should match that intensity, but I think you should add notes in the 2/1 gaps to make 1/1 to improve the flow of the section.

Maybe add a note at 01:16:894 to match the vocals? I get that you're mapping to the music here, but I think this plays a little strangely without the note. It's not really a big issue though.

Oni
Change 00:31:894 (60,61,62) to 1/2? This triplet isn't here in the Inner Oni, and having this as the only 1/4 pattern in this section before the transition into the next section feels strange.

Inner Oni
A lot of the 1/4 patterns you've used from 00:26:894 - 00:37:664 feel really forced to me. In particular, 00:32:279 (19,20,21) and 00:34:395 (30,31,32) feel really weird to me, though the others also feel a little strange. I would suggest changing most, if not all of these 1/4 patterns to 1/2.

Consider changing all triplets from 00:40:548 - 00:43:048 to start half a beat later (move 00:40:644 (36) to 00:40:837 etc). The way you have it doesn't quite seem to fit with the music imo. I think this way plays a little better.

For the same reason, I think you could change 00:46:510 (73,74,75) to start half a beat earlier.
gl with the map :)
Renka
Hi,from my quoue

[ about]
  1. d is don note
  2. k is kat note
  3. D is Finish don note
  4. K is Finish kat note

  5. Purple is UnRankable , Please change
  6. Green is I would strongly recommend
  7. black is Pointed out that

[ General]
  1. Okay.
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[ Kantan]
  1. 00:13:048 (11) - K? - I thought by looking at other diff
  2. 00:39:202 (37) - add finisher?
  3. spinner start 00:51:510 - ?

    I think that it is regular and okay.
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[ Futsuu]
  1. delete 00:12:664 (17) - and 00:12:279 (16) - change d? - I think it would be better to keep the flow from 00:07:664 (8) -
  2. 00:25:741 (34,35,36,37) - kddk? - I think that it would be better to unify with muzukashii
  3. 00:28:048 (40) - move to 00:27:664 - ? - I think this break seems unnatural
  4. 00:34:202 (50) - ^
  5. 00:39:202 (1) - add finisher and 00:39:587 (2) - delete? - I think that more better
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[ Muzukashii]
  1. 00:45:067 (22,23) - delete? - I think that it is too difficult
  2. 00:50:356 (43) - It is placed only in Muzukashii...If so, I think that it should be included in Oni and Inner Oni.
  3. 01:02:471 (44) - move to 01:02:856 - and change k? - I think it will look better
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[ Oni]
  1. 00:19:010 (33) - k? - I think it should be the same as 00:19:779 (38) - .
  2. 00:19:202 (34,35,36,37) - dk kd? - I think that it fits the backsound
  3. 00:39:202 (94) - add finisher?
  4. 01:25:164 (33,34,35,36,37,38) - same as above.

    I felt that there are many where the Futsuu and the color scheme is different. Idk if that is wrong....
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Nice eroge song.good luck~/
Topic Starter
Volta

Aloda wrote:

Hi.

Metadata
idk if this matters but the official source is slightly different to what you have: "恋のハニトー ~えっちで甘いハニートラップ~" (See here) got it from http://albino-soft.jp/ idk either, will need help from QAT or other BN

In the tags, C,G mix should be C.G mix instead. You might also want to add the long version: "Communication Groove mix". ok

You could also add '松島詩史' (Matsushima Shifumi) and '桐島愛里' (Kirishima Airi), the vocalists for the song. ok

You should also add 'Whitesoft' for the developer's name: Whitesoft Albino. ok

I think a better Romanisation of the title would have 'Honeytrap' as one word. I'm not an expert on this though so I could be wrong. i'm not expert either. remain unchanged until found reliable source

Kantan
Not mapping to the strong sounds at 00:09:202 and 00:12:279 feels very strange to me when you've mapped to all the other similar sounds around here. I think that having 2/1 like this would be fine, even for a Kantan, since the bpm isn't that high. not entirely agree (see futsuu), but added some

In the 00:14:587 - 00:26:894 section, you've tended to use 1/1 triplets at the end of the bar, but for the most part, the start of the bar has the more prominent and interesting sounds. Mapping to the less prominent sounds like you have doesn't play well imo. I strongly suggest changing this sections so that the 1/1 triplets fall at the start of a bar whenever it's appropriate. For the 5 note pattern at 00:19:202, you could remove 00:19:587 (10) then have a 1/1 triplet at 00:20:741, so the pattern continues into the next bar. no change, the 5-plet is to emphasize the main melody

00:26:894 - 00:39:202 plays very strangely. Having some bars mapped as 4/1 and some as 2/1 feels really weird to me, since there's no real significant difference between them in the song to justify such a huge difference in density. I think you need to commit to using one beat spacing here throughout the section. not strange to me

I don't think there are any sounds to justify using a pattern like 00:43:048 (42,43,44) here, especially when there's a really nice vocal sound following it that you've completely ignored. I think you'd be best off leaving this as 2/1 then using the triplet in the next bar to match the nice vocal sounds. then it won't have 4/1 break which is essential for kantan player

Same kind of thing for 00:49:202 (50,51,52), but here I'd suggest just leaving this whole phrase as 2/1. nope

I suggest removing 01:19:202 (24,25) and adding a note at 01:18:433. I think this matches the vocals a little better and improves the flow if you apply my suggestions to the following section. that sounds weird imo.

01:20:741 - 01:33:048 same as 00:14:587 - 00:26:894. same then

Futsuu
I have the same issue with the intro as I did with 00:09:202 and 00:12:279 in the Kantan. There's no reason not to map to the sounds at 00:01:510 and 00:04:587. there is a reason. the intro is relatively calm so lower density would help reflect it better.

For the same reason, I suggest adding a note at 00:09:587. nope

The gaps you've left at 00:18:048 and 00:24:202 feel really weird to me. These are two of the more intense parts of this section in the music so leaving them unmapped isn't good. Consider adding notes at these timings. no, it's more suitable as futsuu imo

In 00:26:894 - 00:39:202 you seem to be sort-of mapping to the vocals? The structure seems a little strange to me, particularly with the larger gaps that aren't reflected in the music. I think you'd benefit from mapping more closely to the vocals here. the section is relatively calm, so not necessarily follow every vocal since it will be too dense

How about adding notes at 00:41:125 and 00:47:279 then removing 00:40:356 (4) and 00:46:510 (19)? I think that having the breaks on the 3rd beat of the bar plays a lot better. hmm.. rearranged a bit.

The sounds that you're mapping 00:51:894 (1,2,3,4) to start at 00:51:702, so not having a note here feels weird. Consider adding one here. i think simple rhythm is better for futsuu player

Similarly, 01:17:279 (79,80,81) is mapped to the vocals (I think), so not having a note at 01:16:894 feels weird. Again, consider adding a note here. since the kiai is more dense, i'd like to make longer break here, so no change

01:24:202 and 01:30:356 - same as 00:18:048 and 00:24:202. same

Muzukashii
The 2/1 gaps that you've left in the 00:26:894 - 00:39:202 section kind of ruin the flow here. Compare 00:26:894 (61,62,63,64) to 00:28:433 (64,65,66,67,68,69). There's very little difference in the music between the two, yet you've mapped the latter to be much more intense. I'm not saying you should match that intensity, but I think you should add notes in the 2/1 gaps to make 1/1 to improve the flow of the section. structurally not a problem. the previous section is hard so make 2/1 gap is needed.

Maybe add a note at 01:16:894 to match the vocals? I get that you're mapping to the music here, but I think this plays a little strangely without the note. It's not really a big issue though.retained for better spread with oni

Oni
Change 00:31:894 (60,61,62) to 1/2? This triplet isn't here in the Inner Oni, and having this as the only 1/4 pattern in this section before the transition into the next section feels strange. ok

Inner Oni
A lot of the 1/4 patterns you've used from 00:26:894 - 00:37:664 feel really forced to me. In particular, 00:32:279 (19,20,21) and 00:34:395 (30,31,32) feel really weird to me, though the others also feel a little strange. I would suggest changing most, if not all of these 1/4 patterns to 1/2. some is rearranged

Consider changing all triplets from 00:40:548 - 00:43:048 to start half a beat later (move 00:40:644 (36) to 00:40:837 etc). The way you have it doesn't quite seem to fit with the music imo. I think this way plays a little better. current placement plays well too imo

For the same reason, I think you could change 00:46:510 (73,74,75) to start half a beat earlier. no change
gl with the map :)
thx, maybe next time just go straight to the point on a mod.

chaica wrote:

Hi,from my quoue

[ about]
  1. d is don note
  2. k is kat note
  3. D is Finish don note
  4. K is Finish kat note

  5. Purple is UnRankable , Please change
  6. Green is I would strongly recommend
  7. black is Pointed out that

[ General]
  1. Okay.
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[ Kantan]
  1. 00:13:048 (11) - K? - I thought by looking at other diff fixed
  2. 00:39:202 (37) - add finisher? hmm note is not very strong here imo
  3. spinner start 00:51:510 - ? will reconsider again. i think is fine

    I think that it is regular and okay.
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[ Futsuu]
  1. delete 00:12:664 (17) - and 00:12:279 (16) - change d? - I think it would be better to keep the flow from 00:07:664 (8) - fixed
  2. 00:25:741 (34,35,36,37) - kddk? - I think that it would be better to unify with muzukashii fixed
  3. 00:28:048 (40) - move to 00:27:664 - ? - I think this break seems unnatural i think is better to give longer break here
  4. 00:34:202 (50) - ^ ^
  5. 00:39:202 (1) - add finisher and 00:39:587 (2) - delete? - I think that more better same as kantan
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[ Muzukashii]
  1. 00:45:067 (22,23) - delete? - I think that it is too difficult ok
  2. 00:50:356 (43) - It is placed only in Muzukashii...If so, I think that it should be included in Oni and Inner Oni. fixed
  3. 01:02:471 (44) - move to 01:02:856 - and change k? - I think it will look better fixed
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[ Oni]
  1. 00:19:010 (33) - k? - I think it should be the same as 00:19:779 (38) - . d is better because pitch is relatively lower
  2. 00:19:202 (34,35,36,37) - dk kd? - I think that it fits the backsound fixed
  3. 00:39:202 (94) - add finisher? no
  4. 01:25:164 (33,34,35,36,37,38) - same as above. fixed

    I felt that there are many where the Futsuu and the color scheme is different. Idk if that is wrong....
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Nice eroge song.good luck~/
thx~
Chromoxx
ayy m4m.... (gohan for best of 2016 pls :D)

[Kantan]
basically the diff has a major problem (that probably won't take long to fix though lol)
patterns like 00:14:587 - are too hard for a kantan, not only are they already a pretty long 1/2 chain, but they are also using many triplets and even 5plets. I'd reccomend not using 5plets at all in this diff and maybe adding some more 4/1 breaks in also

[Futsuu]
again here i'd reccomend not using 5plets, pattern length is okay for the most part though imo

[Muzukashii]
00:00:741 - to 00:06:894 - is the same density as the oni. i'd maybe remove something there
looks okay to me tbh. The muzu isn't using any particularly hard patterns that would call for Kantan and Futsuu being as hard as they are also btw, so i would definitely reccomend nerfing them

[Oni]
00:16:125 (11,12,13,14,15) - i'd suggest having this as k dk kd instead, since it sounds better and also offers some good variation to 00:19:202 (34,35,36,37) -
00:22:279 (11,12,13,14,15) - ^
01:22:279 (11,12,13,14,15) - ^
01:28:433 (11,12,13,14,15) - ^
the things i suggested here also work as they are now, so this is just a reccomendation on my part based on personal preference :D

[Inner Oni]
looks good tbh

call me back once the kantan and futsuu stuff is fixed :3
Topic Starter
Volta

Chromoxx wrote:

ayy m4m.... (gohan for best of 2016 pls :D)

[Kantan]
basically the diff has a major problem (that probably won't take long to fix though lol)
patterns like 00:14:587 - are too hard for a kantan, not only are they already a pretty long 1/2 chain, but they are also using many triplets and even 5plets. I'd reccomend not using 5plets at all in this diff and maybe adding some more 4/1 breaks in also

hmm i think is not a huge problem to have 2 or 3 5-plets, since bpm is not fast and it's a kiai section. but i applied your suggestion to make it friendlier for newbie

[Futsuu]
again here i'd reccomend not using 5plets, pattern length is okay for the most part though imo
make some changes

[Muzukashii]
00:00:741 - to 00:06:894 - is the same density as the oni. i'd maybe remove something there
looks okay to me tbh. The muzu isn't using any particularly hard patterns that would call for Kantan and Futsuu being as hard as they are also btw, so i would definitely reccomend nerfing them
removed 00:04:587 -

[Oni]
00:16:125 (11,12,13,14,15) - i'd suggest having this as k dk kd instead, since it sounds better and also offers some good variation to 00:19:202 (34,35,36,37) -
00:22:279 (11,12,13,14,15) - ^
01:22:279 (11,12,13,14,15) - ^
01:28:433 (11,12,13,14,15) - ^
the things i suggested here also work as they are now, so this is just a reccomendation on my part based on personal preference :D

hmm i prefer current pattern


[Inner Oni]
looks good tbh

call me back once the kantan and futsuu stuff is fixed :3
:3
Chromoxx
-Sh1n1-
Yahallo~~

Kantan

  1. 00:31:894 - add k to keep a better spread, from 00:26:894 - to 00:39:202 - your breaks are too long and the current structure feels repetitive.
  2. 00:38:817 (33) - looks better at 00:38:048 - imo, there is instrument sound and vocal to support it, also 00:39:202 (34) - is a high pitch, doesn't it looks better if you add more enphasis to such sound with a break before the note.


Futsuu

  1. 00:32:087 - add a k here for a better spread, the current density of notes from 00:26:894 - to 00:39:202 - looks like too pasive, that's why kantan have lots of long breaks.
  2. 00:38:625 (55) - might looks nicer at 00:38:241 - for two reasons, vocal and consistency with my previous advice, also 00:38:048 (53) - as d could be better.

Muzukashii

  1. 00:49:779 - it feels like you miss a note, there is a prominent sound that deserve note imo, also futsuu have note, to continue with your patterns I recommend you to move 00:49:202 (35) - to 00:49:779 -
  2. 00:56:125 (16) - move to 00:55:933 - I'm in doubt why you don't want to enphasize voice as you did on 00:54:394 -, also for a better spread and consistency with Oni, then 00:56:317 - add a note if you followed my advice.
  3. 01:08:433 (71) - move to 01:08:241 - and then add a note at 01:08:625 -, same reason as above, also after rechecking Oni, there are two more patterns that have the same trouble imo:
    - I think that 01:14:587 (98) - should be at 01:14:394 - then note at 01:14:779 -
    - and only for consistency 01:02:279 (43) - should be at 01:02:087 - too and don't forget the note at01:02:471 -
  4. 01:04:010 - you miss a k here.

Oni

  1. 00:13:241 (34,1) - the instruments here are not important to enphasize with notes imo, it will become confortable and natural to players if you enphasize 00:13:048 - with a break after such note, also is like why enphasize at 00:13:241 - while at 00:14:202 - 00:14:298 - 00:14:394 - 00:14:491 - there are similar sounds and you skipped for obvious reasons
  2. 00:39:202 - did you miss a finish here? if you are not agree remove at Muzukashii pls.

Inner Oni

  1. 00:13:176 (2,3) - same as Oni, they are not necessary if you won't follow 00:14:202 - 00:14:298 - 00:14:394 - 00:14:491 -, also the spinner is too short, reconsider is you wanna keep or remove.

I don't know if you can ask for metadata confirmation, I was trying to search the correct metadata but I got more doubts than answers, Call me back
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