1. Transcendence (6.04 stars, 1292 notes)

EphemeralFetish wrote:

W E L C O M E T O F L A V O U R T O W N

• General

1. all good
2. omg the bg is already in a qualified map you cant rannk it noww!!

• rising above something to a superior state

1. 01:31:621 (1,2) - These are the only really overlapping objects in the whole section, nitpicking sure but it kinda looks out of place
2. 01:45:414 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - alright so these sliders abuse slider leniency way too much imo. To me they just feel really uncomfortable to play since you want to move your cursor at a straight 90 degree angle to where the sliders point. Doing what i did in the screenshot will still keep your expanding pentagon and keeping the star-ish jumps while making them more comfortable without abusing the sliders. knowing you youll still deny this either way so idk why i bothered
   
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3. 01:53:173 (1,2) - to me the wubs sound like they're on 01:53:173 (1,2) - and not 01:53:345 (2,3) - . Its much more quiet than the two before but i still think this has more reason to be a slider than 01:53:518 (3) - has
4. 02:06:449 (3) - you're clearly following the wubby noises here but 02:06:449 (3) - this isnt a slider for some reason while 02:06:793 (2) - this is. 02:09:207 (1,2) - you mapped it correctly here so im assuming its a mistake or smth
5. 02:15:242 (2,3) - The two beats here arent really emphasized at all, but you emphasize 02:13:862 (2,3) - , 02:14:552 (2,3) - 02:20:069 (2,3) - etc, why?
6. 02:17:828 (4,5,6) - You accelerate quite a bit on these notes only to have 02:18:345 (7) - very close to the slider before, with the 7 being the strongest beat of the bunch id space it a bit more to make it easier to play properly
7. 02:30:414 (2,3) - This is a really strong beat but the jumps are extremely close and then you choose to space 02:30:587 (3,4) - these more? why?
8. 02:31:793 (2,3) - ^
9. 03:41:276 (1,1) - Honestly the spacing between these two confused me a lot every time i played it, they're close enough together in the timeline to not make the player break but i always end up clicking too early on the slider because of the already sudden movement change with the jump. It looks like the stream continues when it doesnt. Id either move the slider further away from 03:41:276 (1) - or stack them somehow
10. 03:43:345 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - These feel fucking amazing to hit so good job there
11. 03:44:035 (1) - tfw not properly spaced between 03:43:949 (4,1) - would NOT rank this bad map
12. 04:08:345 (1,2) - same as 01:53:173 (1,2) -
13. 04:10:069 (2,1) - Im probably missing something here but the main wubs are these 04:10:069 (2,1) - and you choose to mirror these 04:10:242 (1,2) - beats when id mirror the two before.
14. 04:10:587 (3,2) - Pointing out too many things here so im probably missing the rhythm you're following but why is the last one here a slider and not the first? The measures after have pretty much the same rhythm and there you map it like im explaining
15. 05:04:035 (1) - gj fetish

1. 00:38:345 (2,3) - Imo this kickslider feels kinda out of place because I don't really understand why you would put a kickslider directly next to it's next object that even has a strong sound on it (actually just an hitsound but whatever) while normal 1/2 patterns have normal distance.
2. 00:45:414 (3) - Is there a purpose behind this slider being the only 3/4 in this section? I just assume it's not because of the vocals since you ignored them later on.
3. 00:58:345 (6) - I'd actually like to have the slidertail here clickable because you start following a more audible rhythm here so it would be a better transition into that.
4. 01:10:242 (3,4) - 01:10:931 (1,2) - It bothers me that the distance between these objects is way smaller compared to all the other ones even though it's the same snare with the same volume.
5. 01:28:001 (3) - It's fine that you undermap these sounds by just using 1/2 + triplet and so on but it's really weird that you "overmapped" this circle because it's already that quiet that it's not giving any feedback anymore while playing. If you listen closely to it you will notice that there's a silence at exactly this object.
6. 01:34:380 (1,2,3) - 01:38:518 (1,2,3) - Considering that they have a way stronger sound on them than all the other usual objects it feels quiet odd that they still use the same spacing. It just doesn't feel right by only emphasizing them with a different placement.
7. 02:13:345 (3) - I actually dislike the volume of the whistles you used here, mind making them a bit quieter so the music itself is actually audible too? lol
8. 03:48:345 (2) - For what reason are you not using this slidershape for the wub sounds properly? This one does it right but I don't really see a reason to use it 03:48:173 (1) - here when 03:48:690 (2) - has a way better fitting sound for that.
9. 03:50:026 (2,3) - After some testing it feels way more natual by placing it on the 1/8 snap before because the vocals actually start there.
10. 04:00:069 (4,5) - I'd personally space them slightly more because it isn't only weird to play this way but also kinda hard to read since it's an unexpectable pattern because you never used one like this before. And since this whole section is fast and has some spacing it would definitely feel better.
11. 04:29:207 (1,2,3,4) - I don't think a 1/8 sliderspam would be that bad. Wouldn't change anything gameplay wise but fit better to the music.

Yunomi wrote:

sick bg hunni

Rapthorn wrote:

ok i want fetish to stop abusing me so here goes

• General

1. all good
2. omg the bg is already in a qualified map you cant rannk it noww!! see response

• rising above something to a superior state

1. 01:31:621 (1,2) - These are the only really overlapping objects in the whole section, nitpicking sure but it kinda looks out of place k
2. 01:45:414 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - alright so these sliders abuse slider leniency way too much imo. To me they just feel really uncomfortable to play since you want to move your cursor at a straight 90 degree angle to where the sliders point. Doing what i did in the screenshot will still keep your expanding pentagon and keeping the star-ish jumps while making them more comfortable without abusing the sliders. knowing you youll still deny this either way so idk why i bothered fwiw i agree
3. 01:53:173 (1,2) - to me the wubs sound like they're on 01:53:173 (1,2) - and not 01:53:345 (2,3) - . Its much more quiet than the two before but i still think this has more reason to be a slider than 01:53:518 (3) - has these are circle/sliders based on the kicks as well as the wubs, they're fine as-is
4. 02:06:449 (3) - you're clearly following the wubby noises here but 02:06:449 (3) - this isnt a slider for some reason while 02:06:793 (2) - this is. 02:09:207 (1,2) - you mapped it correctly here so im assuming its a mistake or smth I'm not fetish but it's clear he understands the purpose of combining the kicks and the wubs together rather than focusing on one or the other
5. 02:15:242 (2,3) - The two beats here arent really emphasized at all, but you emphasize 02:13:862 (2,3) - , 02:14:552 (2,3) - 02:20:069 (2,3) - etc, why? Because, as the final four beats of the musical pattern, they are weaker, and thus they're "emphasized" less. It's really just got to do with tempo and movement.
6. 02:17:828 (4,5,6) - You accelerate quite a bit on these notes only to have 02:18:345 (7) - very close to the slider before, with the 7 being the strongest beat of the bunch id space it a bit more to make it easier to play properly Again, this has to do with tempo. The exact movements aren't what's important, but the way the pattern is shaped. 7 is in the best spot possible to tie the shape together, rather than being spaced way far out.
7. 03:41:276 (1,1) - Honestly the spacing between these two confused me a lot every time i played it, they're close enough together in the timeline to not make the player break but i always end up clicking too early on the slider because of the already sudden movement change with the jump. It looks like the stream continues when it doesnt. Id either move the slider further away from 03:41:276 (1) - or stack them somehowI mean if you're mashing like crazy then yeah you'll miss, but generally speaking when you're streaming you can easily tell which notes have a major beat on them (hint, it's the new combo), and you'll recognize that there's a pause on the last beat. I've not seen many playtests miss this stream at all, unless they were, of course, mashing rather than streaming.
8. 03:43:345 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - These feel fucking amazing to hit so good job there
9. 03:44:035 (1) - tfw not properly spaced between 03:43:949 (4,1) - would NOT rank this bad map
10. 04:08:345 (1,2) - same as 01:53:173 (1,2) -
11. 04:10:069 (2,1) - Im probably missing something here but the main wubs are these 04:10:069 (2,1) - and you choose to mirror these 04:10:242 (1,2) - beats when id mirror the two before.
12. 04:10:587 (3,2) - Pointing out too many things here so im probably missing the rhythm you're following but why is the last one here a slider and not the first? The measures after have pretty much the same rhythm and there you map it like im explaining
13. 05:04:035 (1) - gj fetish

Stjpa wrote:

This map is pretty neat because it's just so different than all the other Camellia maps that basically look and play the same. Good job at that. :v

And first of all, I suck at modding extras so modding a map of you will probably don't help at all xd

1. 00:45:414 (3) - Is there a purpose behind this slider being the only 3/4 in this section? I just assume it's not because of the vocals since you ignored them later on. cloooose. your eyes. well, it's a fairly thin reasoning but i like how it flows atm.
2. 00:58:345 (6) - I'd actually like to have the slidertail here clickable because you start following a more audible rhythm here so it would be a better transition into that. I prefer the 1/1 hold over making it like 1/2 and a note, and making it 3/4 would just play weird. Sacrifices must be made.
3. 01:10:242 (3,4) - 01:10:931 (1,2) - It bothers me that the distance between these objects is way smaller compared to all the other ones even though it's the same snare with the same volume.
4. 01:28:001 (3) - It's fine that you undermap these sounds by just using 1/2 + triplet and so on but it's really weird that you "overmapped" this circle because it's already that quiet that it's not giving any feedback anymore while playing. If you listen closely to it you will notice that there's a silence at exactly this object This has more to do with simple patterning. In some cases, a missing beat in a track can be very jarring, especially when there's a weird rhythm moment directly after it. The player would lose all of their ability to keep rhythm based on the numbering and patterning of the notes. And then there are missing beats that should be emphasized very powerfully, which we do in the kiai sections with the momentum-killing pauses - the lack of a beat is thereby emphasized there because the rhythm is still very consistent and predictable and can be picked up very easily.
   
5. 01:34:380 (1,2,3) - 01:38:518 (1,2,3) - Considering that they have a way stronger sound on them than all the other usual objects it feels quiet odd that they still use the same spacing. It just doesn't feel right by only emphasizing them with a different placement The slight change in slider velocity is emphasis enough for these beats. I may request the hitsound volume be lowered for them, though.
6. 02:13:345 (3) - I actually dislike the volume of the whistles you used here, mind making them a bit quieter so the music itself is actually audible too? lol I want them quieter too lol
7. 03:48:345 (2) - For what reason are you not using this slidershape for the wub sounds properly? This one does it right but I don't really see a reason to use it 03:48:173 (1) - here when 03:48:690 (2) - has a way better fitting sound for that This is for patterning, not following the wub sound perfectly.
8. 03:50:026 (2,3) - After some testing it feels way more natual by placing it on the 1/8 snap before because the vocals actually start there. no
9. 04:00:069 (4,5) - I'd personally space them slightly more because it isn't only weird to play this way but also kinda hard to read since it's an unexpectable pattern because you never used one like this before. And since this whole section is fast and has some spacing it would definitely feel better I'm already spaced enough since they're literally spaced at this point >_<
10. 04:29:207 (1,2,3,4) - I don't think a 1/8 sliderspam would be that bad. Wouldn't change anything gameplay wise but fit better to the music. yeah sure i guess, i'll start putting 1/8 slider bits... =_= will do more later