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DM vs. POCKET - uNDeRWoRLD MoNaRCHy [Taiko]

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Nardoxyribonucleic
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3,008 posts
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Nardoxyribonucleic
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2016年5月8日 at 1:29:32

Artist: DM vs. POCKET
Title: uNDeRWoRLD MoNaRCHy
Source: UNDERTALE
Tags: Taiko qoot8123 mintong89 DM DOKURO Pocket Dokuro The Underground Radio toby fox soundtrack remix arrange arrangement drum and bass dnb chiptune Bergentrückung Bergentrueckung Bergentruckung ASGORE Heartache Determination
BPM: 177
Filesize: 10136kb
Play Time: 07:13
Difficulties Available:
  1. oNi (4.53 stars, 2238 notes)
Download: DM vs. POCKET - uNDeRWoRLD MoNaRCHy
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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#21 - For Approval
BG - 100%
oNi - 100% (by qoot8123, mintong89 and me)
Skin by _Gezo_

Check out Charles445's standard map here~

Collab parts of oNi
00:02:022 - 00:30:004 - me
00:30:004 - 00:54:410 - qoot8123
00:54:410 - 01:16:105 - mintong89
01:16:105 - 01:37:800 - me
01:37:800 - 01:59:495 - qoot8123
01:59:495 - 02:21:190 - mintong89
02:21:190 - 02:42:885 - me
02:42:885 - 03:04:580 - qoot8123
03:04:580 - 03:26:275 - me
03:26:275 - 03:46:613 - mintong89
03:46:613 - 04:06:952 - qoot8123
04:06:952 - 04:23:223 - mintong89
04:23:223 - 04:51:699 - me
04:51:699 - 05:13:393 - mintong89
05:13:393 - 05:35:088 - qoot8123
05:35:088 - 05:55:427 - me
05:55:427 - 06:18:478 - qoot8123
06:18:478 - 06:48:309 - mintong89
06:48:309 - 07:13:393 - me
Last edited by Nardoxyribonucleic , edited 18 times in total.
mintong89
3,698 posts
Joined July 2011
mintong89
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262,204,407631,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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Nardoxyribonucleic
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Mar 23, 2016: Added Gezo's undertale skin. Thank you very much!
OzzyOzrock
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YEAAAH
qoot8123
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我的部分完成了~:3

http://puu.sh/nZ0wP/99b16c0466.osu

edit : 順便幫我在03:46:952 - 放一個1.0x的綠線,我忘記放 :o
Nardoxyribonucleic
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Updated~ :3
We can move forward from now on.
OzzyOzrock
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[oNi]
[Qoot]
  1. 01:38:817 (70) - d? So it's not 4 k in a row, and so that the snare hit is more emphasized.
  2. 01:44:241 (108) - ^
  3. 03:04:326 (7,8) - Delete these notes, I think a break would be very nice here.
  4. 03:50:003 (286,287,288) - Only 1/2? Maybe k d kkd?
  5. 03:57:800 (337,338,339,340) - kkd k? So there's less ddk.
  6. 04:42:884 (116,117,118,119,120) - ddkdk? In the first half you use kdkkd two times, so here you should use ddkdk two times.
  7. 06:10:174 (12,13,14,15,16,17) - dd dk kk? I think it fits pitch nice.
[Mint]
  1. 02:12:376 (100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109) - ddd kkd d kkk? This pattern works much more neatly with the downbeat and emphasizes the two bass kicks nicely.
  2. 02:18:478 (145,146,147,148) - Change to ddkkd? This part calls for a pattern with more d, I think.
  3. 03:46:274 (264) - K?
  4. 04:14:579 (39) - k, to match the melody.
  5. 04:18:986 (68) - Maybe delete as a break? This part of the song is still calm.
  6. 04:53:393 (177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195,196) - Do not map to drums here. We can't even hear them so it seems completely random.
  7. 04:57:461 (203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222) - Map this part easier, with 1/2, to build it up. It's not good to map so dense as soon as the sound exists. If there is a fade-in, the map should reflect that by having simpler mapping.
  8. 05:10:343 (299,300) - Swap? To fit the bass kicks.
  9. 05:12:376 (313,315) - Delete these? They don't match to anything.
    :arrow: 05:13:393 - And add a small 'd' here? I think it's a nice effect. I don't think it should be ignored.
  10. 06:18:987 (5) - d? To not map k so much. 06:29:834 (80) - As well.
  11. 06:21:698 (25) - ^ 06:32:546 (100) - As well.
  12. 06:19:834 (11,12,13,14) - k ddd? I think it fits the rhythm very nicely.
  13. 06:21:868 (26,27,28,29,30) - k ddd k?
    :arrow: 06:23:054 (35,36,37,38,39) - kkk d? I think it matches the melody better.
  14. 06:23:902 (41,42,43) - Simply k d? For a similar reason as above.
  15. 06:24:834 - Add k so it's not so empty?
[Nardo]
  1. 03:13:309 - Add k? I see that you chose to map only 1/2 because of the sound in the back, but I think it seems weirder that it's kinda empty.
  2. 05:45:936 (79) - d? It's a better emphasis to the next part if the kick is mapped, not the melody.
Looking determined 8)
mintong89
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All are fixed except

OzzyOzrock wrote:

[oNi]
[Mint]
  1. 05:12:376 (313,315) - Delete these? They don't match to anything. There's bell sound here tho
    :arrow: 05:13:393 - And add a small 'd' here? I think it's a nice effect. I don't think it should be ignored. that is not my part, lol
Looking determined 8)
thanks!
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OzzyOzrock wrote:

[oNi]

[Nardo]
  1. 03:13:309 - Add k? I see that you chose to map only 1/2 because of the sound in the back, but I think it seems weirder that it's kinda empty. fixed
  2. 05:45:936 (79) - d? It's a better emphasis to the next part if the kick is mapped, not the melody. I think k would reflect the music in a better way as the pitch is noticeably higher than 05:35:088 (1,39) -
Looking determined 8)
Thanks Ozzy~ :)

@qoot:

OzzyOzrock wrote:

:arrow: 05:13:393 - And add a small 'd' here? I think it's a nice effect. I don't think it should be ignored.
Waiting for qoot's response at the moment.
qoot8123
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@ozzy
03:50:003 (286,287,288) - consider the background music, i think only 1/2 is enough.
03:57:800 (337,338,339,340) - i see your point , only d k ddk etc may make the pattern a bit boring, but i think 04:42:884 (116,117,118,119,120) -already represent the song well, i will consider it, but for now I want to keep it
04:42:884 (116,117,118,119,120) - this is not my par x_x

thanks for mod!

http://puu.sh/oggJr/7ea61acb82.osu
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OzzyOzrock wrote:

[oNi]
04:42:884 (116,117,118,119,120) - ddkdk? In the first half you use kdkkd two times, so here you should use ddkdk two times. fixed
All parts are updated~
OzzyOzrock
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I don't really know why I took so long, I think I thought I already came back...

05:42:970 (59) - Maybe delete this note? It's the only long pattern in this part.
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OzzyOzrock wrote:

I don't really know why I took so long, I think I thought I already came back...

05:42:970 (59) - Maybe delete this note? It's the only long pattern in this part. Made the 1/4 pattern at 05:36:953 - longer instead for balance.
Thanks~
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Heavy: "I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS LONG TIME AGO"

Bubble #1!
newyams99
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Hi, from M4M~

Amazing song <3

I don't have anything for Nardo's part (unless I misread the parts or just mixed them up)

qoot

01:46:698 - Perhaps add a hit here if you had one at 01:41:275 (91).

02:51:783 - Thought you could also add a hit here and at 02:52:122 since it seemed like each pattern was getting harder and harder. By adding hits, maybe you could make that increasing difficulty last a bit longer. Can't really explain it well x.x

03:46:274 (265,266) - Refer to mintong's section.

mint

02:09:834 (81,82,83,84,85) - I really liked the double triplet at the end of 02:04:410 (38,39,40,41,42,43) so I'd like to suggest putting a k at 02:10:258.

02:14:156 - You may want to add a hit here for a more consistent pattern with 02:10:851 (87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99).

03:46:274 (265,266) - This overlaps into qoot's part as well, but I think that this would sound much better Ctrl + G'd. The pitch is higher, and there's a clear cymbal sound at 03:46:613 (266) which wasn't present in the previous two hits.

04:06:952 - Perhaps reduce the audio volume a bit here. 85% is a bit loud for the quiet melody.

04:22:545 (2,3,4) - I think it'd be better to be consistent with 04:20:511 (76,77,78,79,80) and match to actual sounds rather than to map a 1/4 at 04:22:884 (4,5,6) which doesn't really have a strong sound.

04:51:698 (174) - This should be louder, as there's still a loud sound here.

06:31:529 (93,94,95,96,97) - Perhaps try to get some variety here.

Cool map guys :D Call me back~
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qoot and mintong have contacted me about the mod. Almost all of the suggestions have been applied :3
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Cool :D

Bubbled!

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I think this should be moved.



(´・ω ・｀)


Before we bring this forward I'd like to leave my thoughts about the map:

What I really missed and left me a bit disappointed is the lack of SV usage. The song has a normal dense (and not the typcial lets-map-every-tick-dense we know of some maps) so it should make use of it since SVs wouldn't really make it any harder but more exciting, effect- and impact-wise.

00:02:022 - 00:29:667 - I really don't know, the part afterwards looks kinda boring with the same SV like you have till 00:18:293 - . I mean, the song is getting so much stronger from 00:30:004 - , you could use 0.80x/0.90x on 00:02:022 - 00:29:667 - (inclusive the SV fixes for the BPM drop) to make a significant difference from the upcoming part.
00:54:410 - I think 2.00x could be still an acceptable increase and not too strong to be considered as ninja note (or at least be tapped by most decent taiko players)
00:54:495 - 01:16:105 - The SV range could be from 0.60x till 1.00x; 0.75x for the whole section (or at least the very begin) looks a bit too fast for the impact the song reflects, at 01:05:258 - You can use 0.75x while on 01:10:681 - you increase it one more to 0.90x. The SV increase could be done in 0.03x steps to be not too sudden:



01:36:444 - 01:38:139 - I had the idea of using 1.10x on the ticks of 01:36:444 (62,64) - and 1.20x on 01:37:122 - , it looks cool imo. Obviously, set 1.00x back on 01:38:139 - .
01:58:139 - 01:59:834 - same here.
02:19:834 - 02:21:190 - Again a calmer part - so a little SV drop could help here by using 0.95x on 02:20:512 - and 0.90x on 02:21:190 - . Then on 02:40:173 - you can move it slowly back to 1.00x.
03:26:614 - 03:30:173 - THIS is exactly what I am missing in your map. :( it fits really really well and slows down like the song gets calmer and calmer.
03:38:477 (217,218) - idk if it's me but it seems that (217) hides (218) a bit - just slightly but I really don't know if that's acceptable, might asking anyone before qualifying this.. maybe?
03:45:596 (263,264,265,266) - Instead of the sudden SV jump from 0.75x to 1.20x you could build it till there, like this for example:
04:06:952 - You could put a slower SV here again, like 0.90x, up to you idk.
04:54:410 - 05:02:546 - from 04:54:410 - 04:57:122 - could use 0.75x while you use from 04:57:461 - 04:59:834 - 0.85x and from 04:59:834 - 05:01:190 - 0,93x - the number results from the half between 85 and 100 and because 0.95x or 0.90x would be too low before or after. And put on 05:01:868 - 0.97x. The 1.00x on 05:02:546 - is fine and can be left.
05:12:037 (285,286,287,288,289) - What about doing a SV increase/decrease of 1.05x - 1.10x - 1.15x - 1.10x - 1.05x ?
05:33:732 (440,1,1) - It's pretty similar to 01:36:444 - 01:38:139 - if you're up to do that.
05:56:783 - 06:18:478 - On 05:56:783 - I'd put 0.80x, 1.00x feels weird at the impact. On 06:07:631 - you could increase it on 0.90x since the song is a bit different here. And finally on 06:18:478 - you put it back on 1.00x, might do on 06:18:139 - 0.95x before.
06:37:461 - Kiai - You could make something slower here so the Kiai has at least a faster SV to a stronger music dense compared to this section.

That's all from my side, it's nothing which is necessary (except that thing on 03:38:477 (217,218) - you should ask for it) but I find these suggestions can help your map to make it more interesting.
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Stefan wrote:

I think this should be moved.



(´・ω ・｀)


Before we bring this forward I'd like to leave my thoughts about the map:

What I really missed and left me a bit disappointed is the lack of SV usage. The song has a normal dense (and not the typcial lets-map-every-tick-dense we know of some maps) so it should make use of it since SVs wouldn't really make it any harder but more exciting, effect- and impact-wise.

00:54:410 - I think 2.00x could be still an acceptable increase and not too strong to be considered as ninja note (or at least be tapped by most decent taiko players) I'd prefer to keep as 1.50x so it would be easier for mod-play player
00:54:495 - 01:16:105 - The SV range could be from 0.60x till 1.00x; 0.75x for the whole section (or at least the very begin) looks a bit too fast for the impact the song reflects, at 01:05:258 - You can use 0.75x while on 01:10:681 - you increase it one more to 0.90x. The SV increase could be done in 0.03x steps to be not too sudden:



02:19:834 - 02:21:190 - Again a calmer part - so a little SV drop could help here by using 0.95x on 02:20:512 - and 0.90x on 02:21:190 - . Then on 02:40:173 - you can move it slowly back to 1.00x. Nardo please apply this too if you apply with before one
03:26:614 - 03:30:173 - THIS is exactly what I am missing in your map. :( it fits really really well and slows down like the song gets calmer and calmer. thanks
03:38:477 (217,218) - idk if it's me but it seems that (217) hides (218) a bit - just slightly but I really don't know if that's acceptable, might asking anyone before qualifying this.. maybe? ??? but the distance between two note is really far???
03:45:596 (263,264,265,266) - Instead of the sudden SV jump from 0.75x to 1.20x you could build it till there, like this for example: Your suggestion isn't bad but I think current is really already emphasis how the song rhythm goes, it's not like we really care at the gameplay, at least for me
04:06:952 - You could put a slower SV here again, like 0.90x, up to you idk. sure, Nardo please apply this.
04:54:410 - 05:02:546 - from 04:54:410 - 04:57:122 - could use 0.75x while you use from 04:57:461 - 04:59:834 - 0.85x and from 04:59:834 - 05:01:190 - 0,93x - the number results from the half between 85 and 100 and because 0.95x or 0.90x would be too low before or after. And put on 05:01:868 - 0.97x. The 1.00x on 05:02:546 - is fine and can be left. Again, your suggestion is great but I feel this isn't really "wanted" because this part of note isn't really densely.
05:12:037 (285,286,287,288,289) - What about doing a SV increase/decrease of 1.05x - 1.10x - 1.15x - 1.10x - 1.05x ? same
05:33:732 (440,1,1) - It's pretty similar to 01:36:444 - 01:38:139 - if you're up to do that. same

That's all from my side, it's nothing which is necessary (except that thing on 03:38:477 (217,218) - you should ask for it) but I find these suggestions can help your map to make it more interesting.
Thanks for the detailed mod!
Stefan
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mintong89 wrote:

03:38:477 (217,218) - idk if it's me but it seems that (217) hides (218) a bit - just slightly but I really don't know if that's acceptable, might asking anyone before qualifying this.. maybe? ??? but the distance between two note is really far???
No doubt it's far enough, I neither had problems. But it's the only case where it comes to an overlap and I really don't know if that needs to be fixed or not.
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